Sheila looked like she didn't believe Bill. Her face looked very questioning of him. Bill talks about being decontaminated after touching her, but after the thousandth time, a little late to be worrying about it. Brooke and Katy will make faces about how they will need to be decontaminated from just a visit from him. It's not a selling point that he did the deed so often and thoroughly. We can expect tongues stuck out and a rolling "bletch," from the ladies.
I thought both Steffy and Hope looked lovely today, Brooke as well. Wardrobe stepped up their game. I liked the makeup and hair too.
The banter between Bill and Ridge was so hilarious.
I’m not so sure Sheila is buying in. She’s giddy yet something is not sitting right with her. I don’t see how she can turn him down though and keep his protection.
Stephen will be eating crow once Ridge and Bill can tell everyone what they’ve been up to.
Agreed Bbfan. Steffy and Hope looked absolutely gorgeous.
I'm not sure what was the point of Stephen's call to Ridge. His daughter and son-in-law were almost killed by Sheila yet somehow Stephen thought it important to call Ridge and chastise him about not being there for Brooke??? And he did that AFTER Brooke told him TWICE that she told Ridge to take all the time he needed. I think Ridge gave him the most appropriate response.
Is it just me or does it look like Ridge and the FBI are behind a two way mirror in Bill’s sitting room?? I would think Ridge should keep the ringer on his mobile turned off.
Thank you Bob!! "Bride of Frankenstein".... ð What else do we need to hear. Sheila will get suspicious I think. Steffy is doing good not to trust baby Hope.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with Steffy keeping an eye out. I still say that Hope should not be working so closely with Thomas. It sends the wrong message.
So why big mouth paris still bringing up the thomas is hot thing, she really annoying and likes to make troubles And steffy is insisting that hope is attracting to thomas even though hope told her she is not and real story about how she said he is hot
How funny she can’t believe hope but she is so sure thomas is a changed man ð just because he told her so ð
And the way she look at people it so funny The look that i know you better than you know yourself And im always right She always needs to find something or other people’s business to stick her nose in it
I think Steffy is really concerned that if Hope gives Thomas any encouragement, albeit unconsciously or inadvertently he will become obsessed again. I think she’s genuinely concerned that no mixed signals get sent. I don’t think Hope would deliberately send any I think that Steffy just wants her to be conscious of her interactions with Thomas. She wants to make sure Hope’s passion for the line and Thomas’s designs isn’t misconstrued as her having passion for Thomas in his mind.
I think she should let it go. She’s tried to put Hope on her guard.
Personally I think they should have a serious chat with Paris regarding spreading rumours around the office and the potential damage with Thomas. Paris is a pot stirrer . Zoe tried to warn them before she left.
She should have said the words you are saying Bbfan not the way she was accusing hope And the one who should be conscious is thomas not to understand any move or words wrong This talk about being careful should be with thomas not hope And i totally agree about paris she just likes to gossip and make troubles
And Hope said that she was not going to bring Thomas back to HFTF. Yet, here we are. Nothing is ever cast in stone no matter what is said. If she does end up kissing Thomas at some point, I guess she can simply say to Steffy what she said to Liam, "I changed my mind."
I'm not sure what you mean, Mmysh. What I was referring to was Hope telling Liam that she would not bring Thomas back on the line and when she did the opposite, she told Liam that she changed her mind. It had nothing to do with Steffy.
By the by, Steffy had a serious talk with Thomas about Hope and keeping it professional etc. She told him she’ll be watching him closely for any signs of old behaviours. Hope has also warned him any signs of previous actions and he’s out of there on his arse. I don’t think it’s fair to say Steffy hasn’t been on Thomas about it.
Part of it is covering her and Forrester so if there’s an issue down the road she’s already addressed it with both of them.
Elle, come on!! How many times are we gonna cover this? No one gave Steffy and ultimatum. But that is EXACTLY what Hope was given. Thomas or your line, Hope, you choose!! And the only reason she reluctantly told Liam she wouldn’t bring Thomas back was because he pressured her into saying that. And of course the Douglas aspect of all this totally weighed into her decision. There were many factors that figured into the decision for Hope. None of which were related to Hope having any sexual / romantic desire for Thomas whatsoever.
Thank you Hope, for telling us what some still needed to hear. You need to drop it, Steffy. Just keep watching Thomas…the one who needs supervision and can’t be trusted. I liked Brooke’s outfit and Steffy’s outfit today. I was even OK with Brooke’s feathers. ð Now what is Sheila going to say in response to Bill’s question? She can’t tell him “no” for fear he’ll turn her in to the police. So she’s either going to have to ‘think about it’, or she will need to say “yes.”
I don't say this normally, but Steffy is being pathetic now. She should grow up and shut up. She's trying to turn a statement that Hope made to get away of Paris high schoolish pushing into something it's not. Is she so bored with her own life? She's not concerned by the tens of people who have actually started relationships but the one comment that was dragged out of Hope is so high on her "CEO-radar"ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ nobody is buying that Steffy. Find a hobby.
Hope had a problem with bringing Thomas back to the line. She made him apologize to her mother and still told him that she had to talk to Liam about it. She did all that just to turn around and decide that SHE WANTED Thomas back on HFTF. She then proceeds to work very closely with Thomas rather than keep her distance, and that's not questionable? Steffy was very right to question Hope because if she gives Thomas the slightest hint that she might be attracted to him, they stand to go down the same road they've been going down for years.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks that only Thomas must be watched but Hope can do whatever she wants. Hope needs to be cautious and set some boundaries as well, rather than just slide back into the same old pattern as last time.
Everyone thinks that because they know Thomas is the obsessed one. And now Steffy too, her boredom with her life is transferring on to Hope. She's trying to find trouble where there isn't.
Exactly milla if steffy is so insecure with her brother she shouldn’t force hope to take him I really don’t understand what mixed signals that hope sent before or in the future to make thomas obsessed again
Wow. You are so against Thomas or so enamored with Hope that you cannot even be objective. What do you mean what mixed signals? So going over to Eric's every night to spend the night with Thomas and Douglas and telling Thomas that she is "looking forward to it" is not sending mixed signals? Telling Thomas to his face that she thinks he is hot while subtlely flirting with him is not sending mixed signals? Spending all night after their very successful launch drinking and laughing with him even after everyone else had left is not sending mixed signals? Oh please. If it was Steffy doing the same things with Liam, you would say she is being a tease and probably even worse.
And here is Hope doing it again. Out of one side of her mouth, she is telling Thomas that she cannot trust him like she did before but out of the other side, she is telling him how wonderful a designer he is and that she is happy that he is back on the line. Hope has also not attempted to even put some boundaries where Thomas is concerned. She is all up on him just like the last time.
If you don't want to admit it, you don't have to but don't put it all on Thomas like he is doing something unacceptable because, so far, he has not.
None at all Mmysh. All Steffy has is Paris "hot" story and now Hope being a normal human being/her normal kind self. That's why I'm saying Steffy is either overreacting or is deliberately looking for trouble.
Elle do you actually think Hope wanted to go to Eric's back then? All she wanted was to spend time with Douglas. That's not a mixed signal, it's being a mother pressed in the corner by Thomas. And when did she say in his face "you're hot"? That's all Paris and Steffy if she has half a brain shouldn't keep repeating what the office high schooler is spreading. Celebrating a successful show is not a mixed signal. What's wrong with telling someone their designs are good? Hope cannot stop being a person and become a statue or a monster because Thomas is disturbed and Steffy is bored.
I wouldn’t say it better milla Hope is being hope a nice caring person, not bitchy mean or a bully She didn’t send any mixed signals And that im looking forward to it means all of them together for Douglas‘s sake because that’s makes him happy Not to be with thomas But if sick thomas consider that as a signal its on him not on hope
I don’t think Steffy is trying to cause issues. Hope is kind but she does come across as flirty. I think part of the warning here is, if you’re working late make sure there’s other employees around (not Paris who will just start something because she’s bored and she can). There are safeguards Hope can put in place to set firm boundaries with Thomas. While she’s not responsible for any obsessions he may struggle with, she does have to watch she isn’t encouraging them. Hope even admitted they were easily falling into old patterns. That’s good for work but not if it’s sending mixed signals. Liam will want her to be vigilant as well.
BBFan, that's all I'm saying. But people can't seem to see how Hope's "niceness" can be miscontrued by Thomas JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME. They would rather blame Thomas for being obsessed without taking into consideration how Hope contributed to it. It's like walking up and down with a slab of steak in front of a lion and not expecting him to pounce at you to get the steak. All I'm saying is that Hope needs to institute boundaries and stop being all up on Thomas, complimenting him and the such. I don't know how something so simple is so hard to understand.
Milla, Thomas confronted Hope in the office about her "hot" statement and she admitted to what she said to Paris about Thomas being hot. They even joked about it for a bit.
Elle the fact that Thomas can't separate things is Not Hope's fault, it's a problem between him and his psychiatrists. They need to work on what it means when people are normal human beings who smile and appreciate you. Of course, a real psychiatrist wouldn't let him be pushed over and over by his momma and sister to the object of his obsession. Again, not Hope's problem though. It's their dysfunctional family.
Elle your statement means like if a girl is walking at night alone and someone killed her or hurt her its her fault too Or like the ignorant people who think that the reason to rape is how a woman dressed or behave Im 100 percent sure you are not one of those people But your approach means the same
Mmysh, it is not the same. And I am surprised you think that that's what I meant. But I'm sure that if someone had been obsessed with you in the past, kept your child being alive from you, tried to kill your husband and was instrumental in your mother's marriage ending, you would not be nice toward him. Matter of fact, I'm absolutely sure that you would try to keep your distance from that person or implement boundaries even if you were forced to work together with him.
Milla, if Thomas cannot separate things as you put it, shouldn't Hope be aware of this? How many times has she been burnt by Thomas, after all? And it's exactly why I say that she needs to institute boundaries. Continuing to be nice because that's her natural personality is not an excuse for purposely ignoring that someone who has been a danger to her in the past can become a danger to her again.
I still don't think it's up to Hope to change who she is - her good self - to protect from someone's bad self. This is her life and home, not the serenghetti where she should always be forced to watch over her shoulder. Taylor and Steffy promised that he's changed that there's no danger anymore, the quack shrink as well. They made a story of Thomas being completely safe. There weren't additional conditions placed for her to change as in "but don't be nice, just to be sure we aren't wrong".
I also seem to remember all of you last year, stating at one point or another, that Hope was a fool to be acting the way she was acting with Thomas. By ignoring her own mother and husband. Y'all were quite upset with her and could not understand why she did the things she did. Yet now, it seems that y'all are quite okay with her working so closely with Thomas yet again.
Thomas is the one who needs to prove he’s “a changed man.” It’s not on Hope to alter her “kind” personality and act like a different person just because Thomas is back at FC. Hope did not want Thomas back. Steffy insisted Thomas return or the line be shelved. People need to quit acting like Hope “WANTED” Thomas to come back. She absolutely did NOT! And I don’t think Hope flirts with Thomas. She has known Thomas for YEARS! So of course her behavior is very familiar toward him. He’s not a stranger to her. Thomas has been told numerous times by Hope that she is married to / loves Liam and only Liam. So if Thomas goes reading into things, then that’s on him!! Hope is simply being herself around him. And Thomas has assured everyone that he is no longer interested in Hope romantically. So nothing about this is complicated. If Thomas is true to his word, he will NOT pursue or secretly desire Hope in any way.
Milla is right. Steffy just seems like she is stirring the pot because she has nothing better to do. Bored about sums it up as Milla said.
No we are not ok for her to work with him and for me personally i cut all ties with such person But here we are discussing what is happening Hope was in impossible situation to choose between her career with thomas or losing it Im always with a woman to fight for her dreams personally and professionally So yeah i can understand why she accepted but im not with her decision Still wrong to me In the other hand she wasn’t and never sent thomas a mixed signals She just being nice and herself Its not her problem as milla said that thomas can’t separate things For his sick mind if she brings him someday a muffin he will consider it as a signal
And yes, Hope always sees the good in people - she’s the eternal optimist. That’s why she ignored her mom’s and Liam’s warnings the last time. And yes, she was being naive when signs were pointing to Thomas still being obsessed with her. But I think she is genuinely hoping Thomas finally learned his lesson this time. So she is marching to that beat.
As far as setting boundaries, they are a team…so just not sure how effective boundaries are gonna be. They have to collaborate. And some things simply need to be done in person. Given the nature of their roles, not sure how much separation is actually doable.
And elle of course i don’t doubt that you think this was What i said how you put that hope has a part of thomas obsession its like putting the fault for a rape victim for wearing a short skirt which provoked the attacker
That’s going too far. We are in no way saying it’s like blaming a rape victim. That is so offensive !!!
Some of us see Hope’s behaviour as flirty. Some people are naturally like that in the way they interact with others. It’s not conscious or intentional but it comes over that way.
There have been several times we saw scenes in the past and everyone thought Hope was on the verge of kissing Thomas. She has given him looks etc that anyone watching would think she fancied him!!
I’m not slamming Hope here. No one is saying be a bitch to Thomas but she can temper the long looks the leaning in close etc. she could literally pick up a sketch rather than leaning over Thomas and brushing against him. Again Liam would be telling her the same thing. They could have meetings in a space with others present etc. Seriously, given their history, I would be so cautious around him if I were Hope.
I hope Thomas has changed, but why throw temptation in his path?
No its not offensive its only an example and its right Blaming hope for thomas’s wrong behavior is the same And sorry but not everyone see hope’s actions as a flirting or thought she will kiss his in some scenes Maybe thomas was fantasizing I always give my son a long looks implying how im proud and happy but sure does not mean anything else Or i can give these looks to a close friend if the son example felt weird As milla and lynn said they know each other for all their lives so maybe she doesn’t know how to act other than that around him And its been always like that And no one ever thought before that those actions are wrong until now Just because some want to give thomas an excuse So its ok for steffy to believe thomas is a changed man and no precautionary measures should be taken around him And nothing to worry about according to him But hope should be careful around him and always looking over her shoulders Although HE said he is not obsessed anymore Its a contradiction actually believing thomas is changed but the same time hope should be careful around him
Wow d how childish Are we still in school Or because its so right and shows how much you are wrong So if i said insult it will not be offensive Its not about the act it self its about blaming the victim But defending some who took advantage of a drunk drugged woman Or try to drug a women to have sex with her that’s in my opinion is offensive especially coming from a women And its my opinion it you don’t like talk to the ✋ðŧððð
Exactly Lynn. Hope never "wanted" Thomas back on the line, that was his wacko family pushing. They insisted he's absolutely fine, so it's not up to Hope now to be constantly on alert or go out of her way to be cold or whatever people here think she should be doing. I also agree with you guys that she's not being flirty. Like Lynn said since they are working in close proximity she can't always be on a alert about every gesture and look. And yes when he starts showing his Thomasness, when he's obviously manipulative and others warn her and she still lashes out defending him, that's when I start saying "Hope listen to reason" but that hasn't happened. She is being her normal self at work. It's the offendor who needs watch his behavior, not the victim.
Exactly milla That’s what i meant with my example I don’t mean to offend anyone All this talk about hope and what steffy is doing its like asking the victim to watch their behavior Because their behavior got them killed or assaulted Not because the offender sick mind Im sure if it wasn’t thomas in this equation we would not see these kind of comments about hope and how steffy os right
I like the outfit on brook but without the feathers ðŠķ
ReplyDeleteSheila looked like she didn't believe Bill. Her face looked very questioning of him. Bill talks about being decontaminated after touching her, but after the thousandth time, a little late to be worrying about it. Brooke and Katy will make faces about how they will need to be decontaminated from just a visit from him. It's not a selling point that he did the deed so often and thoroughly. We can expect tongues stuck out and a rolling "bletch," from the ladies.
DeleteWow it never gets better just worst lmao ðĪĢ brook only looks more dirty
DeleteBrooke looked lovely.
DeleteLynn i like these childish comments it just show how much brook pisses them off which is entertaining ðð
DeleteI thought both Steffy and Hope looked lovely today, Brooke as well. Wardrobe stepped up their game. I liked the makeup and hair too.
ReplyDeleteThe banter between Bill and Ridge was so hilarious.
I’m not so sure Sheila is buying in. She’s giddy yet something is not sitting right with her. I don’t see how she can turn him down though and keep his protection.
Stephen will be eating crow once Ridge and Bill can tell everyone what they’ve been up to.
Yes i think this proposal will make sheila more crazy and suspicious
DeleteAnd for stephen he has all the right to speak to ridge like that
Agreed Bbfan. Steffy and Hope looked absolutely gorgeous.
DeleteI'm not sure what was the point of Stephen's call to Ridge. His daughter and son-in-law were almost killed by Sheila yet somehow Stephen thought it important to call Ridge and chastise him about not being there for Brooke??? And he did that AFTER Brooke told him TWICE that she told Ridge to take all the time he needed. I think Ridge gave him the most appropriate response.
Is it just me or does it look like Ridge and the FBI are behind a two way mirror in Bill’s sitting room?? I would think Ridge should keep the ringer on his mobile turned off.
ReplyDeleteI think it might be off site. There is probably a very minute camera embedded in the mirror though. Not sure.
Delete"Nine toes!" "Bride of Frankenstein!" "Smug B!" "Murdering Psycho!" "Shelia Spencer!" I love Bill and Ridge. lol..lol....
ReplyDeleteI loved "Sheila Spencer." The look on Bill's face. ð ð
DeleteI enjoyed Bill calling himself James Bond as well! Lol some fabulous one liners for Bill and Ridge .
DeleteThank you Bob xxxx
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ReplyDeleteThank you Bob!!
"Bride of Frankenstein".... ð
What else do we need to hear.
Sheila will get suspicious I think.
Steffy is doing good not to trust baby Hope.
Its seems hope is not the baby here
DeleteIts so obvious who is
Should i say more ðððĪŦ
I agree. There's nothing wrong with Steffy keeping an eye out. I still say that Hope should not be working so closely with Thomas. It sends the wrong message.
DeleteElle, yes Steffy is doing the best thing.. Keeping track of Hope and even Thomas.
DeleteSo why big mouth paris still bringing up the thomas is hot thing, she really annoying and likes to make troubles
ReplyDeleteAnd steffy is insisting that hope is attracting to thomas even though hope told her she is not and real story about how she said he is hot
How funny she can’t believe hope but she is so sure thomas is a changed man ð just because he told her so ð
So very true, Mmysh!! She grilled Thomas less than she’s grilling Hope. Completely absurd!
DeleteAnd the way she look at people it so funny
DeleteThe look that i know you better than you know yourself
And im always right
She always needs to find something or other people’s business to stick her nose in it
I think Steffy is really concerned that if Hope gives Thomas any encouragement, albeit unconsciously or inadvertently he will become obsessed again. I think she’s genuinely concerned that no mixed signals get sent. I don’t think Hope would deliberately send any I think that Steffy just wants her to be conscious of her interactions with Thomas. She wants to make sure Hope’s passion for the line and Thomas’s designs isn’t misconstrued as her having passion for Thomas in his mind.
DeleteI think she should let it go. She’s tried to put Hope on her guard.
Personally I think they should have a serious chat with Paris regarding spreading rumours around the office and the potential damage with Thomas. Paris is a pot stirrer . Zoe tried to warn them before she left.
BBFAN, yes! Paris needs a good talking to for sure. I see Paris as very immature.
DeleteShe should have said the words you are saying Bbfan not the way she was accusing hope
DeleteAnd the one who should be conscious is thomas not to understand any move or words wrong
This talk about being careful should be with thomas not hope
And i totally agree about paris she just likes to gossip and make troubles
And Hope said that she was not going to bring Thomas back to HFTF. Yet, here we are. Nothing is ever cast in stone no matter what is said. If she does end up kissing Thomas at some point, I guess she can simply say to Steffy what she said to Liam, "I changed my mind."
DeleteOh elle ððð don’t mix her with steffy
DeleteI'm not sure what you mean, Mmysh. What I was referring to was Hope telling Liam that she would not bring Thomas back on the line and when she did the opposite, she told Liam that she changed her mind. It had nothing to do with Steffy.
DeleteIts not hope’s style to go kiss someone other her husband and justify it with i changed my mind
DeleteWe will see.
DeleteBy the by, Steffy had a serious talk with Thomas about Hope and keeping it professional etc. She told him she’ll be watching him closely for any signs of old behaviours. Hope has also warned him any signs of previous actions and he’s out of there on his arse. I don’t think it’s fair to say Steffy hasn’t been on Thomas about it.
DeletePart of it is covering her and Forrester so if there’s an issue down the road she’s already addressed it with both of them.
Elle, come on!! How many times are we gonna cover this? No one gave Steffy and ultimatum. But that is EXACTLY what Hope was given. Thomas or your line, Hope, you choose!! And the only reason she reluctantly told Liam she wouldn’t bring Thomas back was because he pressured her into saying that. And of course the Douglas aspect of all this totally weighed into her decision. There were many factors that figured into the decision for Hope. None of which were related to Hope having any sexual / romantic desire for Thomas whatsoever.
DeleteThank you Hope, for telling us what some still needed to hear. You need to drop it, Steffy. Just keep watching Thomas…the one who needs supervision and can’t be trusted.
ReplyDeleteI liked Brooke’s outfit and Steffy’s outfit today. I was even OK with Brooke’s feathers. ð
Now what is Sheila going to say in response to Bill’s question? She can’t tell him “no” for fear he’ll turn her in to the police. So she’s either going to have to ‘think about it’, or she will need to say “yes.”
And still detective steffy didn’t believe her ððð
DeleteMmysh, ððð
DeleteI don't say this normally, but Steffy is being pathetic now. She should grow up and shut up. She's trying to turn a statement that Hope made to get away of Paris high schoolish pushing into something it's not. Is she so bored with her own life? She's not concerned by the tens of people who have actually started relationships but the one comment that was dragged out of Hope is so high on her "CEO-radar"ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ nobody is buying that Steffy. Find a hobby.
DeleteHope had a problem with bringing Thomas back to the line. She made him apologize to her mother and still told him that she had to talk to Liam about it. She did all that just to turn around and decide that SHE WANTED Thomas back on HFTF. She then proceeds to work very closely with Thomas rather than keep her distance, and that's not questionable? Steffy was very right to question Hope because if she gives Thomas the slightest hint that she might be attracted to him, they stand to go down the same road they've been going down for years.
DeleteI'm not sure why everyone thinks that only Thomas must be watched but Hope can do whatever she wants. Hope needs to be cautious and set some boundaries as well, rather than just slide back into the same old pattern as last time.
Everyone thinks that because they know Thomas is the obsessed one. And now Steffy too, her boredom with her life is transferring on to Hope. She's trying to find trouble where there isn't.
DeleteHope hasn't done anything wrong. She's completely focused on her work, something Steffy should be too and not chanelling her inner Regina.
DeleteLynn I can imagine Sheila will say yes. But I don't know how he can make her admit her crimes ðĪ
DeleteExactly milla if steffy is so insecure with her brother she shouldn’t force hope to take him
DeleteI really don’t understand what mixed signals that hope sent before or in the future to make thomas obsessed again
Wow. You are so against Thomas or so enamored with Hope that you cannot even be objective. What do you mean what mixed signals? So going over to Eric's every night to spend the night with Thomas and Douglas and telling Thomas that she is "looking forward to it" is not sending mixed signals? Telling Thomas to his face that she thinks he is hot while subtlely flirting with him is not sending mixed signals? Spending all night after their very successful launch drinking and laughing with him even after everyone else had left is not sending mixed signals? Oh please. If it was Steffy doing the same things with Liam, you would say she is being a tease and probably even worse.
DeleteAnd here is Hope doing it again. Out of one side of her mouth, she is telling Thomas that she cannot trust him like she did before but out of the other side, she is telling him how wonderful a designer he is and that she is happy that he is back on the line. Hope has also not attempted to even put some boundaries where Thomas is concerned. She is all up on him just like the last time.
If you don't want to admit it, you don't have to but don't put it all on Thomas like he is doing something unacceptable because, so far, he has not.
None at all Mmysh. All Steffy has is Paris "hot" story and now Hope being a normal human being/her normal kind self. That's why I'm saying Steffy is either overreacting or is deliberately looking for trouble.
DeleteElle do you actually think Hope wanted to go to Eric's back then? All she wanted was to spend time with Douglas. That's not a mixed signal, it's being a mother pressed in the corner by Thomas. And when did she say in his face "you're hot"? That's all Paris and Steffy if she has half a brain shouldn't keep repeating what the office high schooler is spreading. Celebrating a successful show is not a mixed signal. What's wrong with telling someone their designs are good? Hope cannot stop being a person and become a statue or a monster because Thomas is disturbed and Steffy is bored.
DeleteI wouldn’t say it better milla
DeleteHope is being hope a nice caring person, not bitchy mean or a bully
She didn’t send any mixed signals
And that im looking forward to it means all of them together for Douglas‘s sake because that’s makes him happy
Not to be with thomas
But if sick thomas consider that as a signal its on him not on hope
I don’t think Steffy is trying to cause issues. Hope is kind but she does come across as flirty. I think part of the warning here is, if you’re working late make sure there’s other employees around (not Paris who will just start something because she’s bored and she can). There are safeguards Hope can put in place to set firm boundaries with Thomas. While she’s not responsible for any obsessions he may struggle with, she does have to watch she isn’t encouraging them. Hope even admitted they were easily falling into old patterns. That’s good for work but not if it’s sending mixed signals. Liam will want her to be vigilant as well.
DeleteBBFan, that's all I'm saying. But people can't seem to see how Hope's "niceness" can be miscontrued by Thomas JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME. They would rather blame Thomas for being obsessed without taking into consideration how Hope contributed to it. It's like walking up and down with a slab of steak in front of a lion and not expecting him to pounce at you to get the steak. All I'm saying is that Hope needs to institute boundaries and stop being all up on Thomas, complimenting him and the such. I don't know how something so simple is so hard to understand.
DeleteMilla, Thomas confronted Hope in the office about her "hot" statement and she admitted to what she said to Paris about Thomas being hot. They even joked about it for a bit.
Elle the fact that Thomas can't separate things is Not Hope's fault, it's a problem between him and his psychiatrists. They need to work on what it means when people are normal human beings who smile and appreciate you. Of course, a real psychiatrist wouldn't let him be pushed over and over by his momma and sister to the object of his obsession. Again, not Hope's problem though. It's their dysfunctional family.
DeleteElle your statement means like if a girl is walking at night alone and someone killed her or hurt her its her fault too
DeleteOr like the ignorant people who think that the reason to rape is how a woman dressed or behave
Im 100 percent sure you are not one of those people
But your approach means the same
Mmysh, it is not the same. And I am surprised you think that that's what I meant. But I'm sure that if someone had been obsessed with you in the past, kept your child being alive from you, tried to kill your husband and was instrumental in your mother's marriage ending, you would not be nice toward him. Matter of fact, I'm absolutely sure that you would try to keep your distance from that person or implement boundaries even if you were forced to work together with him.
DeleteMilla, if Thomas cannot separate things as you put it, shouldn't Hope be aware of this? How many times has she been burnt by Thomas, after all? And it's exactly why I say that she needs to institute boundaries. Continuing to be nice because that's her natural personality is not an excuse for purposely ignoring that someone who has been a danger to her in the past can become a danger to her again.
I still don't think it's up to Hope to change who she is - her good self - to protect from someone's bad self. This is her life and home, not the serenghetti where she should always be forced to watch over her shoulder. Taylor and Steffy promised that he's changed that there's no danger anymore, the quack shrink as well. They made a story of Thomas being completely safe. There weren't additional conditions placed for her to change as in "but don't be nice, just to be sure we aren't wrong".
DeleteI never said she has to change who she is. I said she needs to institute boundaries. Fgs, that's basic logic.
DeleteI also seem to remember all of you last year, stating at one point or another, that Hope was a fool to be acting the way she was acting with Thomas. By ignoring her own mother and husband. Y'all were quite upset with her and could not understand why she did the things she did. Yet now, it seems that y'all are quite okay with her working so closely with Thomas yet again.
DeleteThomas is the one who needs to prove he’s “a changed man.” It’s not on Hope to alter her “kind” personality and act like a different person just because Thomas is back at FC. Hope did not want Thomas back. Steffy insisted Thomas return or the line be shelved. People need to quit acting like Hope “WANTED” Thomas to come back. She absolutely did NOT!
DeleteAnd I don’t think Hope flirts with Thomas. She has known Thomas for YEARS! So of course her behavior is very familiar toward him. He’s not a stranger to her. Thomas has been told numerous times by Hope that she is married to / loves Liam and only Liam. So if Thomas goes reading into things, then that’s on him!! Hope is simply being herself around him. And Thomas has assured everyone that he is no longer interested in Hope romantically. So nothing about this is complicated. If Thomas is true to his word, he will NOT pursue or secretly desire Hope in any way.
Milla is right. Steffy just seems like she is stirring the pot because she has nothing better to do. Bored about sums it up as Milla said.
No we are not ok for her to work with him and for me personally i cut all ties with such person
DeleteBut here we are discussing what is happening
Hope was in impossible situation to choose between her career with thomas or losing it
Im always with a woman to fight for her dreams personally and professionally
So yeah i can understand why she accepted but im not with her decision
Still wrong to me
In the other hand she wasn’t and never sent thomas a mixed signals
She just being nice and herself
Its not her problem as milla said that thomas can’t separate things
For his sick mind if she brings him someday a muffin he will consider it as a signal
And yes, Hope always sees the good in people - she’s the eternal optimist. That’s why she ignored her mom’s and Liam’s warnings the last time. And yes, she was being naive when signs were pointing to Thomas still being obsessed with her. But I think she is genuinely hoping Thomas finally learned his lesson this time. So she is marching to that beat.
DeleteAs far as setting boundaries, they are a team…so just not sure how effective boundaries are gonna be. They have to collaborate. And some things simply need to be done in person. Given the nature of their roles, not sure how much separation is actually doable.
And elle of course i don’t doubt that you think this was
DeleteWhat i said how you put that hope has a part of thomas obsession its like putting the fault for a rape victim for wearing a short skirt which provoked the attacker
That’s going too far. We are in no way saying it’s like blaming a rape victim. That is so offensive !!!
DeleteSome of us see Hope’s behaviour as flirty. Some people are naturally like that in the way they interact with others. It’s not conscious or intentional but it comes over that way.
There have been several times we saw scenes in the past and everyone thought Hope was on the verge of kissing Thomas. She has given him looks etc that anyone watching would think she fancied him!!
I’m not slamming Hope here. No one is saying be a bitch to Thomas but she can temper the long looks the leaning in close etc. she could literally pick up a sketch rather than leaning over Thomas and brushing against him. Again Liam would be telling her the same thing. They could have meetings in a space with others present etc. Seriously, given their history, I would be so cautious around him if I were Hope.
I hope Thomas has changed, but why throw temptation in his path?
That was for Mmysh not Elle. Elle I agree with you here.
DeleteNo its not offensive its only an example and its right
DeleteBlaming hope for thomas’s wrong behavior is the same
And sorry but not everyone see hope’s actions as a flirting or thought she will kiss his in some scenes
Maybe thomas was fantasizing
I always give my son a long looks implying how im proud and happy but sure does not mean anything else
Or i can give these looks to a close friend if the son example felt weird
As milla and lynn said they know each other for all their lives so maybe she doesn’t know how to act other than that around him
And its been always like that
And no one ever thought before that those actions are wrong until now
Just because some want to give thomas an excuse
So its ok for steffy to believe thomas is a changed man and no precautionary measures should be taken around him
And nothing to worry about according to him
But hope should be careful around him and always looking over her shoulders
Although HE said he is not obsessed anymore
Its a contradiction actually believing thomas is changed but the same time hope should be careful around him
Sorry Mmysh that was offensive. And that's my opinion. If you don't like to hear other people's opinions, then talk to the ðĪ
DeleteWow d how childish
DeleteAre we still in school
Or because its so right and shows how much you are wrong
So if i said insult it will not be offensive
Its not about the act it self its about blaming the victim
But defending some who took advantage of a drunk drugged woman
Or try to drug a women to have sex with her that’s in my opinion is offensive especially coming from a women
And its my opinion it you don’t like talk to the ✋ðŧððð
Exactly Lynn. Hope never "wanted" Thomas back on the line, that was his wacko family pushing. They insisted he's absolutely fine, so it's not up to Hope now to be constantly on alert or go out of her way to be cold or whatever people here think she should be doing.
DeleteI also agree with you guys that she's not being flirty. Like Lynn said since they are working in close proximity she can't always be on a alert about every gesture and look.
And yes when he starts showing his Thomasness, when he's obviously manipulative and others warn her and she still lashes out defending him, that's when I start saying "Hope listen to reason" but that hasn't happened. She is being her normal self at work. It's the offendor who needs watch his behavior, not the victim.
Exactly milla
DeleteThat’s what i meant with my example
I don’t mean to offend anyone
All this talk about hope and what steffy is doing its like asking the victim to watch their behavior
Because their behavior got them killed or assaulted
Not because the offender sick mind
Im sure if it wasn’t thomas in this equation we would not see these kind of comments about hope and how steffy os right
I know Mmysh ☺️
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DeleteShela know something up cause bill is taking ð and does steffy want hope to be with her brother I mean hope keeps on saying no
ReplyDeleteHope's actions do not match her words, and that's Steffy's concern.
DeleteBrooke looks beautiful. Is Sheila suspicious now ??? Thanks Bob
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