The Bold and the Beautiful 3-15-24 Full episode B&B 15th March 2024
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Please don't tell me Finn is Luna's dad... ewww.... I love Hope's dress
ReplyDeleteTY Bob.
ReplyDeletePlease don't let cousin Finn be the father!!!!!!!! NO!!!
exactly gross!!!
Deleteoh gawd....they're not related by blood by she's still his aunt. i'm hoping they're just trying to put us off & it'll really be her telling finn that jack is the father.
DeleteNo, I don’t think Finn is the dad. There’s just no way.
DeletePoppy is prepping Finn to tell him that his father, Jack is Luna’s dad.
Finn will learn that his cousin is also his half sister. Li will never tell Finn that. Finn will then feel betrayed by Li for keeping that secret from him. Li & Finn were furious with Jack when his secret regarding Finn's bio Mom came out. So, Finn should cut Li no slack for not sharing that Jack is Luna's bio Dad. This may drive Finn closer to Shelia...
DeleteSurely they wouldn’t go there with Finn being the father?? I know they have crossed so many lines already, such as Brooke having her daughters husbands baby, but surely not an aunt and very young nephew?? That would throw ALOT of fireworks in Finn and Steffies lives.. Especially now with with what they are going through, for Steffy to find out she has a 20+ year old step daughter.. I don’t think Li would would be aware if Finn or Jack were Luna’s father, because I remember in one of Li and Poppies conversations, Li saying, “no wonder Luna has no idea who her father is”… If it was Jack, after the way Li reacted to his affair with Sheila, if she knew her own sister had an affair with her husband or especially her son, she would have definitely left Jack for that, and would have never had anything to do with Poppy again.. Maybe it’s Jack, but Li doesn’t know yet, and that’s why Poppy is so adamant for the truth of whose Luna father is, if it’s Jack.. I really can’t see it being Finn?? Surely they wouldn’t cross that line, a teenage nephew with his aunt?? Bug them again, I would not be surprised if they did..
DeleteI also think Li would have thrown it in Poppy's face if she knew her husband was the father of Luna. If she even spoke with her at all like you say Colly. Li either doesn't know who the father is or thinks even Poppy doesn't know. I hope it's a Forrester, being Jack would be too predictable and uninteresting. Like why would we care?
DeleteHopes dress is gorgeous. I'm still not 💯% sure she is going to say yes just yet. I will be pleasantly surprised if she does.
DeleteFinn I don't think is the father. I think Poppy is going to him first and forewarn him if it turns out to be Jack. Milla I was hoping it might have been one of the Foresters the way Poppy and Li kept telling Luna she can't work there and has to leave. Then again Poppy wouldn't let the RJ, Luna relationship continue if they are blood related.
D don't forget RJ is not blood Forrester😀 none of Ridge's kids are despite how loud they yell Forrester.
Delete🤣 not being a long enough viewer, I get confused on the bloodlines. When you really only have 3 families involved it would be quite easy to have incest in there somewhere. Soaps are counterintuitive anyway.
DeleteIt's also never mentioned, so even if you had been watching longer, it would be totally understandable that you don't know/forget it. They all act like they are Eric's blood and Ridge seems like the only child Eric cares about... One can easily forget he has others.
DeleteI don't know if Poppy knows Ridge's true bloodline. She might not. Thinking he is a true Forrester would certainly make her want to tell Luna that she is related to RJ if a Forrester is her father.
DeleteElle if Poppy had a relationship with Thorne or Rick, believe me she would have heard of the bloodline 😂 remember how that was a big big deal for them especially for Thorne, it was a major contention point.
DeleteBut that on the other hand would require that they bring back any of them and it seems the writers would much rather go the lazy way with Li and Jack, even though it would be kind of a repetition of the storyline with Finn. So it's def more likely that it's Jack than anyone else.
DeleteAh now that I think about it, Luna being Thorne's child would still make her blood related to RJ via Stephanie, so that's unlikely.
DeleteMilla , Elle, I definitely don’t think it’s a Forrester!!! It’s either Jack or Bill.. and I still am thinking it’s Bill..
DeleteThanks Bob
ReplyDeleteBrooke is actually coming around. I was not sure that was ever going to happen! And now that Hope sees her mother making an effort where Thomas is concerned, she is for sure going to say Yes! But my other prediction is that there is NO WAY the wedding will go off without a hitch.
ReplyDeleteRen, it does seem that a “yes” is going to be coming from Hope. 🤬🤬🤬
DeleteBut I’m also betting she still doesn’t tell Thomas she is in love with him. And I’m also guessing that they never actually get married and something breaks them up before they say their I do’s. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I don't know Ren. I'm thinking the wedding will happen without a hitch. What else can stop the wedding? Liam? Steffy? If Liam tries to, I would love to see Brooke put him in his place. And Steffy should be pleased. Her biggest concern was that Hope was leading Thomas on with no real intentions. Hope committing to being Thomas' wife should prove to Steffy that she is in love with Thomas and not out to hurt him or destroy the progress he has made.
DeleteLynn, do you think that Hope would have practically begged her mother to accept her relationship with Thomas, tell her how giddily happy she is and accept Thomas' proposal unless she was absolutely sure that she was in love with him? If she doesn't say the words, then it's not believable otherwise?
Fair point, Elle. I have no idea what or who could stop the wedding. Unless it's Finn? There have definitely been hints about a possible Hope and Finn pairing, but on the other hand he just went back to his home with Steffy, and they seem to be on the right track again. My preference would be for Caroline to come back from the dead, but there have been no hints of that happening. Maybe I'm wrong and the wedding will actually happen. I hope so.
DeleteWell if you read the spoilers - people won’t be happy about any possible engagement. And Brooke is the least of the problems. Let’s just say another Forrester is supposed to be very unhappy with the news.
DeleteI still think Hope is in love with the idea of a man loving her 100% like Thomas does. But when his dark side rears its head again, she will be sorry she had faith in him. Until they say their “I do’s” I am going to keep the faith that one thing or another will stop the wedding.
DeleteWhich people? Ridge and Brooke are good. Eric and Donna are good. Carter and Katie aren't that involved but I haven't seen any opposition from them either. RJ is good.
DeleteSo who does that leave? Taylor? She's no longer on the show. Liam? He doesn't have a say so let's rule him out. Steffy? Way too much going on in her life right now for her to be too bothered by this. And who knows? Like Brooke, she'll eventually come around. Finn? Well maybe Hope getting engaged to Thomas will snap him out of this Sheila stupor he's in. 😂 😂
In reality though, people can't continue to harp on Thomas' past forever. They will all eventually accept Thomas and Hope being together. And I'm almost certain that once they get engaged, their celebration just might bring forth the baby that Hope has been thinking about having! 😊
Elle, I so hope they have a baby together! Liam's head would totally explode!
DeleteElle, It’s supposed to be Steffy that gets upset. But supposedly she gets mad at Hope for accepting, not Thomas for asking 50 times. Lol
DeleteOh Lord, no baby…..please! I am still committed to taking a hiatus from the show if they tie the knot.
DeleteThere are plenty of fans who will NEVER accept that marriage. We are just as dug in as the Thope fans.
DeleteWhy would Steffy be upset about Hope accepting Thomas's proposal? Her whole problem with the relationship was that Hope was just playing around and wasn't serious, so you'd think Steffy would be happy if they get engaged.
DeleteLol. I don’t think Steffy likes them together. She sees Hope as Thomas’ kryptonite or something-er-other. Hey, I’m just the messenger. 😬
DeleteMaybe the spoilers have it wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.
If Steffy comes to the rescue for the Thope critics, I may start liking Steffy better. 😂😂😂
Oh and we only get 3 days next week. The Thursday and Friday episodes are being preempted by CBS Sports March Madness.
DeleteWow. Steffy really shouldn't be upset. It will be interesting to see her reasoning. Her main issue was that Thomas would be set back by Hope's games. I would have thought she'd be pleased to see that Hope is not stringing Thomas along.
Delete3 days, Lynn? Ack! I hope you don't go. I'm sure there'll be other stories happening besides Thomas and Hope.
Well remember, Steffy has never been a fan of their relationship. I think Steffy feels that Hope is the one thing that could make Thomas revert back to his old self. So she doesn’t want them together, married or otherwise.
DeleteThe spoilers just said that Steffy would get very upset with Hope and the feud would start up again. They made it seem like it was related to the answer she is about to give Thomas. But maybe Steffy gets mad at Hope for something Finn related. I just assumed it was about Thomas because she does seem poised to accept the proposal. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised and she won’t accept. Or maybe there will be conditions. I’m not giving up till the fat lady sings. 😊
Thanks for saying that about me ‘not going’, that was nice. The blog has been less hostile and it makes it easier to share opinions with others who don’t agree. I think we’re all doing our part to get along. 👍🏻👍🏻
Lynn the blog would not be the same without you love!! And yes the blog has been sooo much better, and it’s so good to that we can all have our opinions and everyone accept each others views!! Think of it this way, at least with the thope story line we have lots to talk about 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteLadies, I think the fact that Brooke has finally come around (somewhat) , that it is leading up to Hope finally saying yes!!
DeleteThe perfect hitch will be: (I’m a yes Hope accepts, she did tell Thomas she loves him 2 days ago) but hitch is during the ceremony Shiela come back from the dead cause Finn goes as he’s trying his best to work it out with Steffy (or Shiela thinks he’ll be there as Steffy’s husband), but maybe there hoping Hope doesn’t go through with the I dos. 🤷♀️
DeleteBig fan, I sooooooo hope Sheila is *not* coming back from the dead! Or if she is, at least give us a few years reprieve first. She's the absolute worst.
DeleteThank you, Colly. Yes, I completely agree….at least there’s some excitement going on and we have something to talk about. 😊
DeleteWe can agree to disagree on the characters and not get angry with each other. And that’s wonderful.
Honestly, I probably won’t ever change my opinion about Hope and Thomas as a couple. But the truth is…..if I had just started watching the show 6 months ago, and I didn’t know the backstories, I would be rooting for them too. He does seem to adore her….that’s 100% true. And she does seem very happy. But I am more stubborn than Brooke when it comes to forgetting about his past. Lol.
Lynn, now that Brooke is softening, I think you and Liam are the last two hold-outs when it comes to Thomas!
Delete🤣🤣🤣 yes, you are certainly stubborn love!! Well, if Brooke of all people can come around, then hopefully you can 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteRen, too funny! Well there are a few of us on the blog that are still very against it.
DeleteAnd Liam is stubborn like I am. I don’t expect he will ever change his mind. 😁
Ren, don’t forget Mmysh and Milla, I am not expecting those two to come around either, even if Brooke is 🤣🤣🤣 but at least we can have back and forth on what might happen, better than the boring crap they have been pumping out lately!!
DeleteBig fan, I have rewatched the last 3 episodes and I can’t find where Hope told Thomas she loves him.. can u direct me to the date of it? I really want to rewatch it? Thanks love!!
DeleteElle, exactly!! Steffies issue has always been that she is leading Thomas along, so if she says yes, then she obviously does love him, because she has been holding off giving him an answer until she is sure.. so if she says yes, then she is sure!! Steffy should not be upset if she does, because that shows, hope is not just playing with him, she is serious.. you don’t accept a marriage proposal if you don’t love the person!! Steffy did say when Xander came back, you are either all the way in or all the way out.. if Hope says yes then she is obviously all the way in!! So Steffy should be ok with it.. The only one left that would not be ok with it is Liam.. And he is too busy trying to get back with Steffy to care!!
DeleteColly, I rewatched too just because Big Fan wrote that the other day….that Hope told Thomas she loved him. It definitely wasn’t said by Hope on the Blogspot version of the show. Unless Big Fan watches on CBS, and it got cut somehow when Bob recorded it. But as I mentioned on another day’s comments….if Hope had actually said those words - it would have been a HUGE DEAL. That’s why I’m pretty certain Big Fan is mistaken.
DeleteI think Liam’s biggest concern with Hope and Thomas getting married is Thomas playing daddy to Beth if Hope were to marry him. He would also hate that Hope had ignored his instruction to stop seeing Thomas. Lol.
DeleteI also don’t really understand the spoilers - "emotional fallout from the Logans and the Forresters" and "Steffy's anger at Hope reaches all-time high"? I guess that's just confusing writing in an attempt to conceal what Hope's answer is.
DeleteYou're right Lynn, I also don't think I'll ever be on board with this relationship. And I still believe it won't turn into a happy marriage, something will have to happen. If I'm Liam I would fight Hope in court for sole custody or at least cause a big stink within the show about not letting my daughter live with Thomas. I'm excited about what Steffy does also to stand in their way. Like Lynn that would really put her higher in my eyes as the only person on the show still seeing clearly what a terrible idea this pairing is.
Yay, Milla’s here! 🥰
DeleteMilla, don’t forget, that when Liam was in prison, and thinking he would be, for a very long time, after Vinnies death, and the hit and run, Liam actually asked Thomas to be there and take care of Hope and the (kids), including Beth.. This was well after all the past issues… He knew how much Thomas loves Hope, and for him to say that, he can’t have had to big an issue with the past!! And, Thomas could have completely taken advantage of that situation, but no, he did the right the right thing, because he knew how much Hope loved Liam.. Liam was so grateful to Thomas, and so was Bill… After that, the writers took it to a whole different direction.. But that was a big ask from Liam to Thomas.. If Thomas was so evil, he would have grabbed on to that opportunity , but he put Hopes happiness first..
DeleteAnd yes, it’s not the same without you too Milla 🥰 and you are right about the spoilers being confusing.. Maybe the part about the Logan’s might be that Hope accepts, thinking Brooke is on board, but then when Brooke finds out about Hope saying yes, she might change direction again?? As for Steffy?? Not sure, one would think she is going ghrough enough to even think about that?? But I never take the spoilers too seriously, they r rarely right..
DeleteColly I haven’t forgotten that time (it's been brought up every time Thomas is mentioned here, I've read it at least 10 times myself) but I don't see it as indicative of anything major regarding any of the characters. Liam was under terrible stress at the prospect of going to prison and a enough messed up things happened since then to confirm his initial opinion of Thomas. If he doesn't show a strong reaction to Hope marrying Thomas with regards to the impact on Beth, that's lazy writing and not that he doesn't care or approves of Thomas as a step-dad. All he's ever said is "Beth would not be with us if Thomas had had his way" and it shows how strongly he really feels about that. And Thomas grabbed plenty of opportunities before and after that moment so again it's not indicative of his non-evilness 😅 yes he loves Hope that's never been up for debate and is not the question at all.
DeleteYes I agree that Steffy has enough on her mind right now and again I believe the lazy writing will abandon major storyline to go the next one, that's all they have been doing - start something, it's big and all they talk about, then next week it's not on the agenda at all. Then in some weeks it's back on. You are also right that Brooke probably won't be excited if Hope accepts the proposal and will ask her not to jump into a marriage with Thomas when she barely just divorced Liam. Other than her I don't believe another Logan cares too much. Also Forresters - mainly Steffy. Ridge is ready to be a best man as it is, RJ doesn't show any normal reaction to his siblings being involved so that's all there is. Soap world makes no sense 😂
DeleteThank you for saying it won't be the same, I feel the same about you and notice when you don't comment and like it when we can discuss 🤗🤗
I think the closest Hope has come to saying "I love you" to Thomas is when she said "I adore you." And another time, recently, she said "That's what I love about you." I'm hoping she'll finally say a direct "I love you" on Monday, but we will see. I do wonder if any viewers' opinions will *ever* change regarding Thomas. Like the staunch Thomas-haters on this blog-- Milla, Lynn, Mmysh. Imagine it's five years from now, and Thomas has still maintained his "good guy" status. He hadn't done any nefarious deeds in all that time. Will you still be saying "Just watch, he's gonna lose it and turn all psycho again! He hasn't really changed!"? Ten years from now? "Any minute now, he's gonna turn again. Just wait, you'll see." I'm picturing Thomas as the 80-year-old patriarch of the show, like Eric is now, and everybody on the show loves him. And the nay-sayers here will be like "It's all just an act, you guys. He hasn't *really* changed!"
DeleteLet’s check in 5/40 years and see. No character stays perfectly good for so long not even close. They all make mistakes because every filmmaker who is worth their title knows that perfect characters don't make for good stories. So it's highly unlikely Thomas of all people will be the one to be put in that role, there's way more potential in him as a multi-layered personality than as someone who does only good. And even Eric was criticized up until very recently for cheating so no, not even the "patriarch" escapes "staunch haters".
DeleteExactly the point I have often tried to make, Milla: Nuance and grey, not black and white. Thomas is not evil; he is nuanced and morally grey, just like *every other* character who has been on the show longer than a couple years (one exception: Finn is just a plain old good guy.)
Delete😁😁 good one Ren Chen but don't count Finn out yet. He does have Sheila's DNA and depending on how deep the psychosis goes, Sheila will be telling him in the hallucinations, to finish what she went there to do. Kill Steffy.🔪
DeleteD, that would be a dark turn, wouldn't it? Yikes! Not sure I want the writers to go there, but I wouldn't mind seeing Finn become a bit more nuanced and grey. Could the actor portraying him handle it? I didn't know, but it would be fun to see.
DeleteRen, from my perspective….Thomas is more than just a nuanced grey character. I think he definitely has a dark side which admittedly has been kept in check for quite a long time now. But it’s not even that I hate his character. He can be quite charming. I simply don’t want him together with Hope because that romantic relationship will never ever make sense to me.
DeleteI very rarely say “I hate Thomas.” At least not recently. Lol. However, I will always believe he had far more to do with Emma’s death than the Thomas fans think he did. But that one will NEVER be sorted out. We’ve had hundreds of conversations on that topic.
I will just never be able to stomach “Thope.” I’m not rooting for Thomas to fail as a human. I’m just rooting for the end of his relationship with Hope.
Lynn you spelled out how I feel too. There are way deeper problems with Thomas than with most other characters. He is the only character who has been willingly evil, abusive and done a series of criminal things whose fans (for whatever reason? No idea what is the goal here) want us to forget or forgive. We have the right to not support him the same way people have the right not to support Brooke. It's okay not to like the same people, it's even better from my perspective.
DeleteAnd I also have mostly a problem with the relationship with Hope, not his personality. It is bizarre, unrealistic and unhealthy for me. If he could be a decent guy without constantly clinging on to the girl who he grew up being an older brother to, I would also support him. I also never said I hate him but really disliked his evil acts against Brooke. Thankfully he's over that now.
DeleteI agree, Milla. And like we’ve talked about before….its easy to be on your best behavior when everything you want is going your way. We haven’t seen Thomas in a bad place because he is in a relationship with the love of his life and his career and family support have all been going perfectly for him. If they show Hope dump him, and he still stays on the straight path, then I would really sing his praises for being a truly changed man. But with everything going his way (as it has been for a long time), it’s hard to tell if he’s really that different.
DeleteI always forget who is older….Thomas or Steffy? And how much older is Thomas compared to Hope?
I have to wonder if Brooke held her ground and drew a line in the sand on Thomas like she once did, and Hope broke up with Thomas due to Brooke’s feelings about him, what would Thomas do then?? I gotta believe he’d go back to his old dark ways in the blink of an eye.
And good point on the Brooke critics. I don’t see a lot of them cheering Brooke on. They do when she finally accepts Thomas, but otherwise…they still don’t like her. And Brooke has been really good for a long time. So who cares if we aren’t in Thomas’ cheering section.
DeleteLynn, we've already been through this, remember? Hope dumped Thomas briefly last summer, and what did he do? He went to Liam and asked him to take Hope back. He certainly did not go back to his old dark ways "in the blink of an eye."
DeleteInstead, he put Hope's needs above his own, in the blink of an eye. So he's already proven that he's changed, but somehow it doesn't count? Like when Liam was looking at a lengthy prison sentence and he asked Thomas to take care of Hope and the kids while he was gone. That showed that Liam had faith in Thomas back then (I mean, he could have asked Wyatt to look after Hope and the kids). But somehow that also doesn't count? Of course everybody has the right to like and dislike certain characters. My point is just that I think Thomas gets trashed on more than is warranted.
Milla, Liam's problem where Beth is concerned seems to be only that Thomas kept her from them knowing she was alive. I've never heard him say that Thomas was a danger to Beth. He also seemed quite okay with Hope taking Douglas and Beth over to the mansion when they used to spend nights there with Thomas. And, as Colly stated, Liam was also okay with Thomas taking care of Hope and Beth when he was in jail. Plus, based on the show this week, it seems Thomas is active in Beth's life as he apparently spends time with her and Douglas together with Hope. So, I really don't know if Liam would want to sue for full custody of Beth. But then again, who knows?
DeleteRegarding Steffy and Hope spoilers, maybe Hope turns Thomas down again, which is what makes Steffy upset.
DeleteRen, Hope and Thomas hadn’t developed a relationship at that point. They had spent the day in Rome and then slept together when they returned home, but it was all still very new. And at that point I don’t think Thomas had built up real expectations about the two of them being in a committed relationship, much less married. Besides, Hope only tried to make it work with Liam for a short period of time before Liam shut her down. So Hope told Thomas pretty quickly that she wanted to continue seeing him because her marriage was over. There was no bad guy there for Thomas to turn his anger on.
DeleteMy example of Brooke was someone that was worth mentioning because Thomas has always seen Brooke as the enemy. My guess is…..he would do more damage to Brooke if he felt that she was the only one preventing his relationship with Hope. But it hasn’t come to that because Hope has stayed in damage control mode with her mom to try to get Brooke to come around.
I don’t understand why you always bring up the Liam in prison example. Liam shouldn’t have even been in prison in my opinion. Vinny committed suicide and Bill was responsible for them leaving the scene without reporting it.
And my take on Liam saying that to Thomas was only because he knew that Thomas would always do anything for Hope. Liam knew that if he could count on anyone to be there for Hope, it would be Thomas. Doesn’t mean that he ever liked Thomas. And clearly he still doesn’t.
Elle, the many other times Thomas has proposed to Hope I was pretty certain that her answer would be “no.” But this time, my gut tells me she is going to say “yes.” And maybe it’s because of the talk she had with Brooke and how Brooke has finally stopped fighting it. But I hope you’re right….I hope Hope’s answer is still “I’m not ready yet.”
DeleteThe fact is: you said that if Hope ended things with Thomas, he would turn dark in the blink of an eye. I pointed out that that already happened, and he did just the *opposite.* Then you come up with excuse after excuse why that doesn't really count as proof that Thomas has changed. And IF this happened, then this WOULD happen. You're speaking in hypotheticals. I'm talking about what actually DID happen, and you're discounting what actually did happen in favor of what COULD happen. To me it seems pretty clear from what HAS actually HAPPENED on the show that yes, Thomas has changed. IF any of the hypothetical situations that you're talking about actually do happen, then yes, I will absolutely admit that Thomas is still more of a bad guy than a nuanced character. But the facts of what HAS happened do not show that. They just don't. The reason I keep on bringing up the example of Liam in prison is because it is something that actually *happened* that showed that even Liam, who has more reason to hate Thomas than just about anybody, recognized and acknowledged Thomas as someone whom he would want to take care of Hope. The fact that Liam shouldn't have been in prison has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing here, which is the nature of Thomas as a character. The fact is Liam made that request of Thomas even after Thomas contributed to taking Beth away from him. Why would Liam do that if he didn't recognize some good in Thomas??? In what universe does that not count as evidence that Thomas is a nuanced character???
DeleteWhen has Liam ever given Thomas a compliment or suggested in any way that he has any faith in Thomas? Never. Even when he asked Thomas to look after Hope, he still didn’t give Thomas any praise. And I think it’s because of what I already said, he knew Thomas of all people would absolutely take care of Hope. Liam can’t stand Thomas. There are 500 examples of that.
DeleteRen, I said what I would expect to happen if Hope dumped him. I am not talking about the past, I am talking about present. So I guess we’ll have to wait and see how this all plays out. My comment “in the blink of an eye” is obviously just an expression. I think if someone or something derails his future with Hope, dark Thomas will appear quickly. He already said as much to Finn when Finn told him he will never have a future with Hope.
DeleteOkay, then I guess we're having two different conversations here. I thought we were trying to pin down the character of Thomas. I'm not interested in talking about hypotheticals, because those are not useful for character analysis. What *is* useful for character analysis is discussing what actually *has* happened. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see either: 1. what the threshold is for you to admit that Thomas is a nuanced character. Or 2. If Thomas does finally live up to your expectations and go off the deep end again.
DeleteRen, you crack me up. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Yes, we will have to wait and see. We have all been in LIMBO with this Hope Thomas thing for far far too long. They need to wrap it up already. Have a great rest of your weekend. 😊
DeleteAs to your first post: When has Liam suggested that he had faith in Thomas??? When he asked him to look after Hope, of course! Why in the heck would anybody ask that of someone they thought was pure scum??? Just because he didn't say the words outright "Thomas, I trust you," you think it doesn't count as evidence of trust and faith in him??? That's completely illogical. Liam loved Hope. He loved Beth. Why would he trust them to someone he had no faith in??? You don't ask something like that of someone just because you know they will do a good job at it. You don't ask that of someone if you think they're just bad news. You would have to recognize the good in someone in order to ask them to look after your family.
DeleteI disagree. I think that’s exactly why Liam asked Thomas…because he thought he would do a good job at it.
DeleteHe has nothing good to say about Thomas - not ever. Why can’t you just admit that Liam thinks Thomas is awful ?? I don’t think anyone else on this blog thinks Liam has anything but a horrible opinion of Thomas. I don’t even know why that would be a point of contention.
Can we please have a show of hands of bloggers who think Liam has a good opinion of Thomas?? Lol
Delete"And my take on Liam saying that to Thomas was only because he knew that Thomas would always do anything for Hope. Liam knew that if he could count on anyone to be there for Hope, it would be Thomas. Doesn’t mean that he ever liked Thomas. And clearly he still doesn’t."
DeleteThe above proves the point I was trying to make. Liam has never said that he feels Thomas is a danger to Beth. His problem has always been Thomas being a danger to Hope.
Ren, my last two comments didn’t post for some reason. But I basically said that that was exactly why I think Liam asked Thomas to look after Hope….because he thought Thomas would be committed to doing that. Not because he has even one ounce of respect or admiration for Thomas. He can’t stand Thomas and everything he has said to Hope and others has made that abundantly clear. Thomas is Liam’s arch enemy.
DeleteI don’t think there is anyone on the blog that would agree that Liam sees “good” in Thomas.
Elle, I agree. But I think the reason he also wouldn’t want Beth around Thomas is simply because of what Thomas did in hiding Beth from Hope and Liam. It’s obviously an extremely sore subject to Liam, as well it should be.
DeleteLynn, I think what Ren is saying is that we have had examples of Thomas being a changed person over the past year however, you choose to ignore them in favor of waiting to see what could happen in the future. For example, Hope ended things with Thomas so that she could try to make her marriage work but nothing of what you say could happen (Thomas going back to the dark side) happened. Instead, we saw Thomas pay Liam a visit to urge him to take Hope back because if he didn't, it would be the biggest mistake of his life.
DeleteWe also saw Hope turn down Thomas' proposal twice yet, we did not see him get up to his old tricks of using Douglas to persuade Hope in any way. Matter of fact, when Douglas had the pizza dinner for them, Thomas promised Hope that he had nothing to do with Douglas' surprise dinner.
Waiting for Thomas to return to his old behaviours just to say "see, Thomas never changed," while ignoring all of the work he put into himself to be a better person does not, imo, prove that he is evil. I agree with Ren. It shows him to be a nuanced character. Brooke maturing and making better life choices even though she can still be selfish and backstabbing does not mean she is forever the slut from the valley. It just means that she's selfish and backstabbing.
Thanks Elle, you expressed that better than I could!
DeleteMy comments aren’t appearing. I hate it when that happens.
DeleteI’m gonna try this again. And see if my comments will stay.
DeleteFirst off, I don’t see Brooke as selfish and backstabbing any more than I see Thomas being evil right now. So that is not an accurate description of Brooke in my opinion.
Also, I had said earlier to Ren that I do believe the only reason Liam left Hope in Thomas’ care when he went to prison was exactly what I said — Liam knew that Hope would always be Thomas’ first priority. Liam has never liked or had respect for Thomas. Liam despises Thomas. And I don’t think anyone on this blog (aside from Ren) would say otherwise.
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DeleteI think what you ladies don’t get is that it doesn’t matter to me if Thomas is truly changed or he hasn’t. Do I think he has….most likely not. But that’s not the reason I don’t want Hope with Thomas. I don’t want Hope with Thomas because of all that he’s done to her. Some lines just shouldn’t be crossed - and one of those lines is marrying the person who hid your daughter from you. We just go round and round saying the same things. Sure Hope can forgive him, but marry the person who tried to kidnap you?? Marry the person who was perfectly happy to let you think your daughter was dead?? Hell no!!
DeleteAside from Hope trying to salvage her marriage right when she came back from Rome (before Thomas and Hope were a ‘couple”), there has not been a single time that Hope told Thomas they should just be friends. While she hasn’t officially accepted his proposal, she chose to wear the ring around her neck which absolutely gives Thomas hope. He’s convinced she feels the same way he does. And he has told people that. The real test would be for Hope to break up with him. We all saw his face and heard his words when Finn told him that he would never allow Thomas to be with Hope. Thomas got that look in his eye and said NO ONE would keep him away from Hope. I thought we may see dark Thomas then. And if Finn had convinced Hope to dump Thomas, we may have. But whether he’s a good guy going forward or turns back into his old self…..we’ll just wait and see. But either way, Hope should never consider marrying him.
DeleteOkay, I have four points: 1. The Liam and Thomas dynamic is more complicated than just saying Liam hates Thomas, and it's more complicated Liam himself is willing to admit. Sure he can't stand Thomas *now,* but he conveniently forgets that he did ask Thomas to look after Hope and the kids a few years ago. Nothing will convince me that that does not indicate that Liam had a certain level of faith in Thomas *then.* 2. At this point, I don't think there is sufficient evidence to support your predictions. We will see. 3. Within the context of the soap opera genre, pretty much anything is possible, including marrying the person who kept your daughter from you. I mean, heck, on General Hospital, Laura married her rapist, Luke! I wasn't around for that storyline, but on One Life to Live, they had a romance between Marty and Todd, who had raped her years earlier. That's worse than what Thomas did, and I stopped watching at that storyline because it was so offensive. Which leads me to # 4. We all have different levels to which we are willing or able to suspend reality, even within the context of soaps. To a certain extent, I often enjoy the ridiculous storylines more than the believable ones. But like I said, the storyline with Todd and Marty on OLTL was too much even for me.
DeleteLynn nailed most of it especially about Liam. I can't read all of the above but to Elle's point - Liam was not Okay with Hope bringing Beth and staying with her at Eric's back then. He was complaining to Brooke about it but was trying to keep the peace with Hope who was already starting to act like a lunatic at every mention of Thomas and lash out. I don't even know why you guys are trying to defend the point that Liam is okay with Thomas as a step-dad. He is not and he doesn't have to be. No more than he is okay with Thomas as anything in his or anyone's life. But since we have lazy writers none of this matters anyway if they choose to focus on something else and have everyone repeat the same crap like they usually do for a week and then the next something else.
DeleteAnd Lynn I also don't know why the Vinny episode keeps being brought up, maybe because it's the only time Thomas was half-decent to Liam and is the only argument in his support for years of malicious behavior.
And yes exactly - I don't care if Thomas has changed or not to disapprove of this messed up relationship. It's messed up by default based on who they are to each other and what he has done. Kudos (insert irony here) for not blowing up cars and setting houses on fire, trying kidnapping Hope or abusing Douglas or threatening people now but a lifetime of that behavior is there and is enough not to support him sleeping with the girl who was his sister for their defining early years. And again - we are entitled to our opinions.
DeleteLynn, Thomas is older than Steffy.
DeleteLynn, I think all your comments posted late. That happens sometimes. If you read through what I wrote about Liam and Thomas, I think it's pretty clear that I never said Liam is a fan of Thomas *now,* so you're misrepresenting my views. If you're going to point out Thomas's negative history on the show, then I get to point out the positive things he has done as a couner-point to that. It's disingenuous for you to dismiss his good deeds, just as it would be disingenuous for me to dismiss his nefarious deeds, which I have never done. If you're going to point out that Liam hates Thomas now, then I get to point out the actual history on the show which provides some indication that that may not have always been the case. I'm trying to provide some balanced history here.
DeleteRen just glancing at all the posts it comes down to
DeleteSome are and will remain cynical of Thomas. That's fine. I'm sure he is not the only character that has done evil, despicable things in the past. As someone mentioned Brooke sleeping with her daughter's husband and having a child with him? That is somehow forgivable. Don't know alot of the past history but I'm sure there are alot more examples. I like Thomas's "character" in the present. If we were to hold on to grudges because of ones past history then no one would be liked on any soap.
Very true, D. I'm really not trying to get anyone to "like" Thomas, or to stop being cynical of him. I am just trying to get people (like Lynn and Mila) to admit that Thomas is not all bad. He is, in fact, nuanced. It really shouldn't be *that* big of a deal to admit that a character has nuance, if you take an honest look at his history. But it's like pulling teeth, lol.
DeleteOh I know Ren. Lynn and Milla, (Lynn has admitted) are very stubborn.🙂 When it comes to Thomas the word nuance doesn't exist.
DeleteSo keep pulling those teeth! 🤣🤣🤣
Ren, it looks like my comments finally posted. 👍🏻. Maybe I exceeded my allowable amount or something. Lol
DeleteAt the end of the day it doesn’t matter to me if Thomas is a bad person or a nuanced person. He has crossed lines with Hope that would make it impossible for her to truly fall in love with him. That’s just my opinion of course. So….do I hate Thomas - no, I don’t hate him. But I will always be wary of him. Yes, he does have some good qualities. But he has some really bad qualities too….in my opinion. And yes, everyone is a mixed bag….even in real life everyone is a mixed bag.
But as we both said earlier, there are just some lines that cannot be crossed. And for me, Thomas has crossed those lines in Hope’s life and it should be impossible for her to even consider marrying him. Obviously you don’t agree. And I’m not going to convince you of anything and vice versa, and that’s OK. 😊
But I think we have already admitted that and not once. Thomas is not the antichrist 😅 he has good qualities but to me he will never be a good guy. It has always been the madness around Hope and all that he's done for it to us. I wish we could see a Thomas without all the Hope drama, a character of his own finally not trying to marry his former sister. (On the other hand I also like seeing evil Thomas, because the actor's talent really shines mostly when he makes an appearance)
DeleteOkay, it's possible you did admit that Thomas is morally grey, and I missed it. You can't deny that there is a certain contingent on this blog that is quick to point out *anything* that could *remotely* be construed as "Dark Thomas" returning. Like, say Thomas narrows his eyes: "Dark Thomas is coming back! There it is! Did you see that look in his eyes?!" Thomas raises his voice in a scene: "He's turning to the dark side again! I knew it!" And then when anybody points out a good thing that Thomas did, there are always a million reasons why that doesn't really count. It gets old, that's all I'm saying. Like what if I did the same thing with Brooke whenever she gets upset or narrows her eyes in a scene. "OMG, Brooke is going to sleep with her daughter's boyfriend again! Did you see that look in her eyes?"
DeleteRen 🤣🤣🤣🤣 sorry ladies, but that comment was funny!! Lynn, when it comes to debating, I think you have met your match with Ren 🤣🤣🤣 but it’s really good to see all these comments and debates, because we haven’t had much until now to talk/debate about…
DeleteAnd I think this is the first time the comments have reached over a hundred in a long time!
DeleteColly, right??!! Ren can go the rounds for sure. Lol.
DeleteAnd I’m not saying my mind can’t be changed as far as my opinions of characters. I did a 180 on Liam, after all. I don’t even dislike Thomas as much as I used to. But I’ll never condone this marriage. I really have a feeling Hope is going to say yes on tomorrow’s show, which is not going to make me happy. But I’m still holding out for something to make it crash and burn before the ‘I do’s.”
If Steffy does in fact get really upset because Hope accepts, that ought to be interesting.
Milla, I completely agree. I would definitely like to see Thomas as a character of his own.
DeleteI believe Luna n her pills ended up around Finn n he took some n didn't know his Aunt had sex with him when he was half pasted out n he passed out afterward n doesn't remember anything. Wow...just fishing for answers...do anyone agree or disagree
ReplyDeleteI’m thinking it could be a stretch but with these writers you never know. Could be a very valid reason why Li actually hates her so much.
DeleteThen, the show will be painting Poppy as a rapist having had sex with her own nephew while he was drugged up and passed out. I don't think that is what would have happened. Unless it happened like with Zende and Luna where Finn was hallucinating and thought his aunt was a girl he liked and so, had consensual sex with her. But still, Poppy would have known that he was under the influence and would have taken advantage of Finn.
DeleteEll I agree totally, I really don’t think it’s Finn, and it would absolutely come across as though she raped him.. so I think it’s Jack.. And if not, then it’s Bill.. I say Bill, because Poppy keeps talking about how they never needed much in life, and perhaps because Li accuses her of being a gold digger all the time, she doesn’t want to admit it’s bill??
DeleteTY Bob. Have a great week end.
ReplyDeleteJack is Luna's dad.. Finn's father!
I had to go back and watch the second scene with Poppy and Finn. Poppy says " it's not me she(Luna) wants to talk to. It's your(Finn's) father". So that means Finn's father (Jack) is Luna's father.
ReplyDeleteShe said "her" father. If she had said your father Finn would have said: "What does my father have to do with this"?
DeleteI think it will turn out to be Jack. Please don't let Finn be luna's father! 😳
Hope looked beautiful. The flowers were gorgeous. Yet another proposal from Thomas. Sigh. I think her phone is going to ring. It will be Finn. After learning Jack fathered Luna & neither Li nor Jack told him he had a sister, he will be desparate to talk to an understanding & compassionate person - Hope! She will go to Finn. Lately, Finn & his circumstances has been consuming her thoughts.
ReplyDeleteSteffy was completely understanding, compassionate and supportive of Finn when he found out that Jack was his bio dad. Why would he call Hope instead of his wife? Besides, once Hope accepts Thomas' proposal, she won't have time to go running to Finn. Finn who? 🤭🤭
DeleteI agree that Steffy was great when Finn learned about his bio Dad. But, right now, both Steffy & Finn are in a bad place emotionally. Finn may call Hope instead of his wife because she listened to him before & was understanding of his need to grieve. He also knows Steffy is dealing with the fact that she took a life - in self defense - and may not want to burden her with more of his family drama.
DeleteOr... Finn may decide to call Hope after hearing of her accepting Thomas' proposal (if she does). He was pretty adamant in the past about her deserving better than Thomas.
DeleteIt would be really interesting seeing both Steffy and Finn adamantly against Thope (on opposite sides but still with the same goal).
DeleteBtw now reading the spoilers again, it could be that it's not the response to Thomas' proposal that makes Steffy so angry at Hope. Maybe Hope is again talking to Finn and showing understanding regarding Sheila and that's why Steffy is mad at her. (Sorry if someone already came with that theory but too many comments to read 😀)
DeleteLol Milla. Thanks for your comment because I was confused as to why Steffy would be angry about the engagement since she was upset with Hope about stringing her brother along. Noone else suggested an alternative. Just you. 😊
DeleteElle 🤗🤗 I'm glad and let's see if I'm right 😀
DeleteYes Milla, I actually said the same thing….that maybe Steffy getting mad at Hope will be Finn related. We can hope! I definitely don’t want Hope saying yes to Thomas’ proposal, but I have a feeling it may be headed that way.
DeleteLynn on one hand I also don't want her saying yes, but on the other this limbo of not loving and yet still being with him and all their disgusting office thrysts have to end. A wedding usually means some excitement and someone usually tries to stop it.
DeleteI'm pretty sure she will say "no" wait and see
DeleteNow that Brooke has given her blessing to Hope on her relationship with Thomas, I'm certain that Hope is now ready to accept Thomas' proposal and to tell him that she loves him! It's rather sweet of Hope to be so considerate of her mother's feelings about her relationship. There's nothing standing in her way now.
ReplyDeleteElle, it was very sweet of Hope to be so considerate of Brooke’s feelings, and vice versa, it was really great that Brooke is trying to support Hope and this relationship.. I think deep down Brooke will never truly support it, but the fact she is trying , for Hopes sake is commendable.. I think this what Hope was waiting for, before accepting Thomas’s proposal.. But I have a feeling if Hope says yes , that Brooke is going to do a very quick turn around!!
DeleteFinn ...you ARE the father! Remember they made a point t to say how many years it had been since Poppy stayed with Finn and Li. They then made a point to say it was before Luna was born. That's why Li hates Poppy and didn't want Luna around Steffy. Li knows but Finn doesn't
ReplyDeleteIt could also be that the point was made to show that there was opportunity for Jack and Poppy to sleep together (Poppy staying with them) and that Luna came after that time period. Possibly, Li found out and kicked Poppy out. She (Poppy) would have then found out that she was pregnant by Jack.
DeleteTrue Elle. If it is Jack, 🤞 it's not Finn I really don't think Li has a clue who the father is. She had made one comment awhile back "No wonder Luna doesn't know who her father is." Referring to Poppy's druggie lifestyle.
DeleteLadies, I don’t think Li knows?? I say this because in one argument between Poppy and Li, Li was talking about how Poppy’s “carefree” spirit lead to her sleeping around all the time and then she said to Poppy, “no wonder Luna doesn’t know who her father is”.. And the way Li reacted to Jacks affair with Sheila, if she found out her own sister had an affair with him AND had a child with him, then I think she would have left Jack back then and would never talk to her sister again.. I think that if it is Jack, that’s the reason Poppy is so adamant about not telling Luna who her father is.. Li would then find out and all hell will break loose.. The whole family shame thing will become an even bigger issue!!
DeleteI don’t see any possibility that it’s Finn. My money is on Jack being Luna’s dad. And I don’t think Li knows. But what I’ll never understand is why has Li had so much hatred for Poppy and Luna if she doesn’t know?? Li’s being so dead set against them being in LA and Luna working at Forrester never made any sense, unless Li does know that Jack is Luna’s father. But even her private conversations with Poppy have not led us to believe that she knows.
DeleteColly, I agree. I said the same thing months ago - why would Li have stayed with Jack if she knew Jack fathered Luna with her sister?? She wouldn’t have, especially given the way Li responded about Sheila and Jack’s affair.
Thank you Bob xxxx
ReplyDeleteFor some reason, I think Hope will do the unexpected and say "no". And it will take Thomas and everyone off guard, especually since Hope fought everyone to get them to accept her relationship with Thomas. To me, that's the only reason why Steffy could be that mad at Hope. And don't forget, as few people mentioned it here, Hope never actually said that she loved Thomas. She always reffers to how he makes her feel or what she loves about him... At this point, it should'nt be something so hard to say or to admit especially since she finally has her mother coming around.
ReplyDeleteI so hope you're right. And spot on about Hope's feelings.
DeleteWow it actually started snowing in hel ... Brooke is finally coming around. That is a beautiful thing. I think hope and Thomas are good together. F*ck the past . Thomas has been right al along he can love Hope better than Liam can. I mean the guy is so pathetic 🤦🏾 Thomas is playing daddy for beth and he does'nt even care . He is al up in Steffy's ass . And the joke of all of it is that if Finn is not Luna's father ( Jezus Christ i really hope not 🤦🏾) there is nothing Liam can do to come between Steffy and Finn , and hope and Thomas. The guy will just vaporize al by himself like he deserves 😊 so satisfying. Brooke saying ' Liam you had your chance's and you wasted it on Steffy " is just the kind of satisfaction the writers HAVE to give me .it will be even better than the moment he had to accept that the cabin is not his home anymore and he had to watch Thomas get it on with hope in right in front of him .👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 It wil be priceless
ReplyDeleteI would love to see Liam vaporise, but the problem is, he is a very long standing character on the show, and not one the writers are willing to let go of, so they will prioritise him over Finn, hence re unite him with Steffy?? I hope not, I truly dislike Liam.. But they will give him some significant story line..
DeleteThank you Bob ❤️.... have a great weekend 😘
ReplyDeleteThanks Bob 🌷
ReplyDeleteI think Poppy will just ask Finn to tell Luna about his life as an adopted child and how hw felt all those years without knowing how are his real parents. And when he finally discover the truth his life went upsise down, and to discover his mother is a criminal. So Luna will see that its better for her to
ReplyDeleteleave things as they are and not contiue asking about her father
maybe? I hope they aren't going to drag this out, but they probably will.
DeleteBut if Jack or Finn are Luna's father, there is no way Li knows about this. She would act totally different if she did.
Charli, that's a good way of looking at it but somehow I think it's leading to Jack being the father. Who knows.
ReplyDeleteI really like the character of Jack. I hope he is Luna's dad so that they can bring him back to the show.
DeleteOk, here's a hypothetical question. What if Poppy doesn't know who the real father is. She is just going to Finn for some advice? She can't talk to Li and has no one else to talk to. The father will be someone none of us are thinking?
DeleteOr maybe she is not sure if it’s Jack or bill and wants Finn to do a DNA test to find out?
DeleteAh Colly 🤣🤣. It's not fair. You probably already know what's going to happen since it's Monday afternoon there? So....(nobody's here to see) is it Jack?? 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteOr does Hope say yes?? Lol... I know you won't say anything. You'll make me wait until tomorrow to find out.
DeleteActually D, being Australia, I am a day late, my b&b week goes from Tuesday to Saturday her.. so I actually don’t see Monday over your side, till Tuesday here.. it has to said on CBS before I can watch.. So i am actually a day behind in terms of when I see the first day of the week and last day of the week.. I go from Tuesday here to Saturday here!! That’s probably why some of my comments come late and don’t make sense or someone else has already said what I wanted to say??
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