I cried my eyes out for conversations exchanged between Brooke and Taylor. I glad both ladies see the light. They apologize to each other and now moving forward.
Thank God both women are waking up out of their stupor over a stoopid man. Love him they do, but enough of the waffling has to be enough. Demand respect and the full monty or get lost.... Hopefully there will be a twist in the plot. Writers we are waiting!!!!
Brooke did more worse than Taylor. She married multiple times to different men , told so many lies and kept secrets for a long time. So why she's acting if she's better than Taylor?
She kinda is And what is wrong with being married multiple times ?? Taylor slept with more men Killed someone and shot another from behind So how is that makes her better than brook or any other character for that matter Both women had thier share of mistakes and heartache None is better than the other And absolutely brook wasn’t acting she is better But sure you would see it like that
Exactly Mmysh. I'm so glad to see Brooke and Tay Tay apologize to each other. But I have a sneaking suspicion that it won't be long before at least one of the is chasing after ridge again. My bet is on Taylor
Eleanor Rigby, oops I mean the wedding ingenue Taylor waking up to Ridge not coming back still won't lead her to change tactics and any chance she gets she will try to stake her claim. The wedding dress make-up looked like death knocking. If her grip is literally impossible to shake in life, that kind of gloming bond in eternity ain't looking good.
This was one amazing episode where Taylor and Brooke were able to talk maturely without have cake or paint thrown at each other, and it was really agreed that Ridge really needs to get his brain together and to think more maturely than immaturely instead of waffling back and forth like and tennis or ping pong game, Ridge being the ball, and Brooke and Taylor are the racquets or ping pong pad πΎπ. Maybe that's why he can't decide on which woman he wants. π΅π₯΄ As for Thomas, he is about to lose everything and to be left with nothing, I read an article saying that Steffy will be firing him, Eric will kick Thomas out, a rumor that Ridge could disown him, and Hope will get full custody of Douglas. How does fell now Thomas that you lost everything.
I somehow don't believe it will go that far for Thomas! π he's done far worse with far less consequences than what you describe. He'll manage to appease his family as always and at some point will be onto another scheme π
So many loose ends being tied ππ finally... finally Hope - opened her eyes, admitted, got the kid back and admitted the attempted kiss. Liam is a class act. Thomas best you can do is shut up now and follow your dad's lead to walk away and think about what you did. Douglas you're the sweetest little man π€π€ and they are a lovely little family π₯°
Good cat fight, though a bit too tame, between Brooke and Krista ππΌ... HT Taylor would bark right back, I miss that :/ Krista should learn to show some teeth, hopefully with time πͺπΌπͺπΌ
@Milla Hope thinks she is so sure that she knows a person is good when she sees it, but did she really, NO! It had to take something like this to show that Hope isn't as smart as she thinks she is, in knowing whether or not she can trust someone like Thomas, she was "fooled." It had to take an innocent like this to open her eyes, otherwise she would have continued to be fooled again. But now that its revealed, let's see how she will handle Thomas now. Thomas is not thinking that he did something wrong, he didn't look to me that he was worried, but when those consequences start hitting him, like losing his job, his father, his son and his grandfather, then I think he will start to worry. I too miss Hunter Tylo, but her and Katherine Kelly were not personally getting a long and she did not like what they did with her character, so I don't blame her for coming back.
I think Hope was quite disappointed so I don't see her thinking "knows a person is good when she sees it". But either way, it's not about her, she didn't hurt anybody and the only one to be shamed is Thomas.
I read that HT and KKL purposefully maintained their distance to have a plausible negative chemistry between them. And it definitely work for years ππΌI'm not blaming any actor of anything but definitely see the difference, as much as I applaud Krista for her work so far ππΌ
PS so Ridge didn't even come back go Taylor to give her the dignity of an explanation? Isn't he going to be staying at his daddy's as always when between women?
@Milla Ridge never came back to give her an answer on what was going to happen, he just left went to Brooke's spilled the beans, then never came back to give them an answer, he just disappeared and avoided Taylor. I assume he will be staying with his father unless he went and took a trip somewhere without telling anyone. By the way, I was just reading a soap article about what B&B will do with and Thomas. There is an idea they are thinking of Bill is going to go back to his old ways again and will use Thomas for his advantage to ruin Ridge by having Thomas competing again the Forrester family. Doesn't that storyline sound familiar when Ridge did that against his father and Thorne back in the 90's?
That does sound plausible but I wouldn't count on those articles they write so many things that never happen. I sometimes think the writers change their minds because some scenes look weird, like last minute put together.
Logan's whole speech to Ridge was more about her control of him and how he better tow-the-line with her in the future. Her "realizations" were threats of her tightening the noose Ridge wears willingly. He'll go for it again and again, and use Taylor when she's convienent, to assert his droopy teabags.
Yep BL, that’s exactly what it is.. She is changing tactics now, she knows Ridge loves Taylor in part for her morals, something Brooke missed out on when she was developing in the womb.. So she is trying that on to see if it fits.. Taylor’s not perfect, but she never took men from their wives or families and while with Ridge, she was loyal and devoted to him.. So Brooke is seizing the opportunity to turn this around on Taylor and use the moral high ground tactics..
My heart breaks for Taylor. The smirk on Brooke's face at the end deserved a slap. Brooke won and she knows it. She has Ridge under her finger. Poor Taylor a woman destroyed with lies even by her own son. I feel pity for her. I think she left for good. So π Brooke and poor Taylor saw that Ridge is a pile of crap. Poor Thomas Steffy should understand her brother. he doesn't need help only the understanding of not having a father as everyone had. Douglas went back to sleepy baby Hope and sleepy Liam. more cra#.
Thomas "doesn't need help only the understanding of not having a father as everyone had"? First of all, he has a father and definitely not any less than Steffy who is showing hundreds of times more maturity now than him. Second - how can he possibly not need help, but endless understanding for whatever he concocts, how will that solve his issues?
@tina, as far as I see it, Thomas has harboured a resentment from boyhood towards Brooke for enticing his father away from his mother (who I think he loves dearly,) and his family. It has eaten him up inside and just wants to hurt Brooke in the craziest way that he knows how. He is also frustrated by his love for Hope, so instead of finding himself a "main squeeze" his life's mission is to destroy Brooke. That kind of situation can certainly affect a child, so I can have some sympathy for him.
Again someone comment that Brook is better than Taylor WRONG! Brook went through the whole Forrester men the father the two brothers and hope better keep her eyes open cause her and Liam was getting close when she lost Ridge she had a baby by her own daughters husband so why would her other daughters husband be any different! She took Ridge off Taylor. Brook is disguising and I'm tired of watching this back and fourth And Liam dont get me started on that punk.. if Thomas was there when Hope told Liam about the kiss he wouldn't of done anything but look stupid! I'm gonna stop watching the Bold and the beautiful. Its getting on my nerves.
Kross maybe if his mother told him tje truth why her and his father got divorced maybe he will start to heal And stop with this hate Which is unreasonable or even make sense since he used to have a good relationship with brook he even kinda fall in love with her
πππ really soap fan Taylor beated brook with the forrester men and got all the logen men Plus murder πππ But yeah she is better πππ
Milla you are totally right. Thomas had so much more than most people, and his dad was always there. He's just a spoiled entitled sociopath. I don't know of any grown ass man that would pull so much crazy shit to get rid of his stepmom and reunite his parents. That's like something a 10 year old would do , not a man pushing 30. Those are the actions of an emotionally stunted man-child. Not to mention the laws he's broken and the psychopathy of it all.
I don’t see how anyone can feel bad for Taylor. She knew she was going to get hurt by Ridge once again and she was still desperate to marry him and lie about Thomas. And Thomas is the apple that didn’t fall far from the Tree. He acts as bad as his father, the peter pan syndrome.
@Tina. I was almost believing that apology from Brooke to Taylor was sincere, until that gloating smirk at the end. What was I thinking, it is Brooke we are talking about and shows her character. It did deserve a slap.
Brooke got the last laugh for sure. Was that smirk well deserved? I’d have to say YES it was!!! Thomas tricked his dad into being with Taylor. Taylor was ready to walk down the aisle and marry Ridge without letting Ridge know the truth. Only a desperate woman with no self-confidence would do such a thing. Brooke could have let Taylor have it when she walked into Eric’s!! But she didn’t. She was actually very sympathetic with Taylor’s situation. Brooke handled herself extremely well with Taylor. She went above and beyond in the ‘being understanding’ department. Then Taylor left and Brooke realizes - I won!! It was absolutely a well deserved smirk. And Brooke did win because she has put Ridge on notice and Taylor is probably out of Ridge’s life for good in a romantic sense anyway. Or as long as “for good” is in soap opera time. Lol. The only people who truly deserve to be slapped are Ridge and Thomas for their outright deception!!!
Exactly lynn I don’t know how some people think A women try to take her husband And she had the chance to take him back but she preferred her self respect And the other woman failed So yes let her smirk
Apropos Brooke showing class - *she* was the first one to say I'm sorry!! She was the one who went through all this and she said sorry first. That was a huge huge step for Brooke if anyone knows her. She used to be much more selfish and often wouldn't say sorry even when it was her fault. And yes I agree she has all the right to feel relieved and to some extent - content.
Milla, correct, she never apologised for breaking up families and marriages and relationships in the past!! This is huge, and definitely a first time for her!! So I could give her full credit there!! But then the smirk, just took all that “class” and “apology” out the window!!
D never ever trust a woman like Brooke. When she can't finish her work she tells everyone to help her out. She does her job very well as well as all the Logan'S.
Tina so true and when Brooke laid into Taylor questioning her integrity by not speaking up to tell the truth to Ridge as she was walking down the aisle? I'm sure if roles were reversed Brooke wouldn't have said anything either.
@Colly a smirk doesn't mean so much to me in light of 1. What Brooke went through and learning Taylor's and Thomases part in it 2. The fact that she simply recounted what happened, all she said was exactly what happened and if the roles were reversed, Taylor would have the right to react the exact same way. And at the exact same time. Why should she wait? For what? I can also make the case that Brooke would have confronted whoever was still there - Taylor or Thomas or both - and she had objectively no way of knowing it would be Taylor only. She is also right that Taylor always took the moral high ground and the fact that she didn't tell Ridge is something I would also call out to such a person.
Exactly milla Hypocrite Taylor always did that Use any manipulation to her advantage and then when its blow up in their face she starts yelling at the one who did it She did it with Stephanie all the time
I’m sure there was plenty of smirking by Steffy, Taylor and Thomas when Ridge announced he was serving Brooke annulment papers. And also when Ridge announced he was choosing Taylor over Brooke and it was supposedly “Nothing Brooke did to cause Ridge to have a change of heart.” Taylor, Steffy and Thomas all thought they won. There were plenty of smirks going on then. Where was the smirk outrage from the FF’s when all that was going on??? Brooke’s smirk was well deserved. She had been set up!! And now - finally - the cards are on the table. ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ» Brooke did not need to apologize to Taylor. She could have gone over there to give Taylor a lashing and thrown it up in her face. Taylor knows nothing about the quiet smirk that Brooke made when she was alone. Brooke handled herself wonderfully. And as I said before, the smirk (which hurt no one) was well deserved!!
D, the real question here is, “why didn’t Ridge believe Brooke” when he asked her and she denied it?? The answer is relatively simple!! Because she lies so frequently, that its is not that far fetched that she wasn’t, for probably the first time in her life!! There’s the answer!! π€£π€£π€£ Brooke would have said NOTHING if the roles were reversed.. She wouldn’t even struggle with wether she should or not!! This is the woman who faked a pregnancy and miscarriage to keep Ridge away from Taylor.. So yeah, that would have been a walk in the park for Brooke.. No guilt, no remorse.. why do you think Brooke and Hope are having a field day mocking Taylor?? because, its not usually Taylor’s MO, it’s Brookes!! People don’t have that same reaction with Brooke, because it’s just the norm for her!! π€£π€£π€£
Even though she actually didn’t lie, you can’t blame Ridge for believing it was Brooke, he heard her voice.. so the funniest line of the day for me, was Brooks saying, “ why didn’t you just tell me, and I would have told you it wasn’t me”!! He tried that, she said that!!
I feel so sorry for Taylor. She always gets hurt. Does anyone know for sure, is Thomas losing everything? That would be nice. I liked Thomas being a better father but no more..
@Patologi Thomas will lose everything, I learned that Steffy will fire him, Ridge will disown him, there is also talk about Eric kicking him out of the mansion, and Hope will get full custody of Douglas plus he will no longer work with her for hope and the future.
Elizabeth, I know you like to share spoilers, but some on the blog may not want to know. Not to mention, the spoilers are just straight up wrong a lot of the time. You can post what you want, but I would hope you would keep the details of the spoilers to minimum. Thanks.
Yep, Douglas back at the cabin with a good caring mom, Liam and grandma Brooke. All is well!! ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ» I read the comments that people are still rooting for Thomas after all that’s happened! Are you kidding me??? Poor, poor Thomas. π€£π€£π€£π€£. Dad’s leave mom’s in life all the time!! Some are completely absent from their kids lives forever!! That’s not the case with Thomas. Not to mention his huge silver spoon, cushy lifestyle, power, prestige…the list goes on and on!! But ya, poor poor Thomas!!! Give me a dang break!!! Thomas should be in prison for some of the crap he’s pulled. And Milla is right, whatever fallout comes his way will be temporary…but he deserves all of those consequences and then some!!!! Even his words in today’s episode just show his over the top ARROGANCE!!! “Brooke is always in the way, so I removed her.” Like that is somehow perfectly reasonable. The guy needs to pay!!! And it looks like he finally will!!! The Brooke and Taylor exchange was interesting. It almost seems like Taylor was taking more of a permanent exit. We may not see her for a while. I like that they both apologized and agreed that Ridge cannot continue to give his heart to both of them. Brooke’s smirk at the end looked a little devious to me. I think she sees this as Taylor leaving for good. But I hope even if that’s true and Taylor moves away, Brooke sticks to her guns and doesn’t take Fickle Ridge back anytime soon. I’m thinking we are going to start seeing more Deacon / Sheila stuff soon. Something’s gonna happen with Bill too. But I think the Ridge/ Taylor/ Brooke triangle has officially ended for a long long time. HOPEFULLY!! Actually it would be nice to not see Ridge for a long while. But I think he has unfinished business with Thomas.
Very true what you're saying Lynn, especially about Thomas. I just hope now that the triangle is over, we don't end up in a dump storyline-wise with characters not doing anything but talking (aka what Sheila and Deacon are doing the whole time). I also want to see some new romance finally, a real one. And what will Christmas look like with everybody mad, hurt or taking time to think... :/ let's see what Bell does, so far it was interesting, hope he keeps it up.
I can`t honestly believe the things that were said and the foolishness of soap fans reasoning. Brooke is this terrible person?! Yet she hasn`t actually shot or killed anyone unlike both Taylor, Thomas and Steffy and yet they`re all so amazing? Oh bloody well spare us the crap...PLEASE! Patologi, you feel sorry for Taylor? The woman who shot a man in the back and left him for dead? Who interfered in a marriage to the degree where she openly attempted to destroy it? Instead of pitying her, how about looking at her objectively and seeing she continues to get hurt because of her deplorable behaviour! Her children put her on a pedestal and that too is hilarious given her actions. πππ
Oopsie, Maur, I am pretty sure it was you who not long ago, told me to stop bringing up the past, and I responded that you do it all the time , when it suits “your” agenda to make a point!! And here we are!! π€£π€£π€£
That's right, Colly. And since we are going into the past, Brooke did attempt to shoot Stephanie and missed. In the eyes of the law, it is still considered attempted murder! So Brooke is no innocent there. Yet, she's still soooooooooo amazing. As for interfering in and destroying marriages, *cough* Brooke did it too *cough* And she openly admitted it the other day. If the LFs would look at Brooke objectively, they would admit that she causes a lot of her own miseries by her despicable and selfish actions. As for the pedestal, Brooke's own children cannot put her there because she has wronged them too many times by her own self-serving actions. It's not only Taylor's children who put her on a pedestal, Ridge as well. That is why he is disappointed whenever Taylor falls off of the pedestal he has put her on.
Elle, like Maur, if we are going to the past, you are correct!! Not only that, Maur states Taylor’s behaviour, and being objective, yet everytime we bring up what Brooke did taking not one but two husbands from her own Daughter and Katie’s numerous times, and we asked for the Brooks fans to address it, we get a bunch of excuses why they can’t comment on it OR as it usually is ignored and nothing said.. So we are reminded of Taylor’s past actions CONSTANTLY, and told to either address their questions OR we have to be objective?? Yet I when we ask the same, it gets swept under the rug!! So Maur, please try to be objective and address Brookes behaviour having a kid to one and marrying the other husbands of her daughter, and let Katie drink herself into oblivion because she was paranoid about Brooks and Bill, who were bonking Bills secret room in his office, but lying to Katie that nothing was going on, and let her drink herself stupid when she was right all along and lied to?? That’s just one of the times she took Bill from under Katie’s nose!! How about those actions actions Maur?? Can “you” be “objective”? Can you address it, without deflecting and turning it around on to Taylor?
Elle π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ speaking of Brookes kids, not only can they not put her on a pedestal, but Bridgett and Rick left to get away from her!! π€£π€£π€£π€£ she screwed those two up so badly, they won’t even live in the same state as their mother, never mind put her on a pedestal!! π€£π€£π€£
What’s also funny, is we get told we can’t be objective and defend our faves no matter what they do, yet there is nothing but “excuses” for that smug victory grin Brooke pulled!! Even said she was entitled to do it!! FFans r objective , my a#* they are, and still no response as usual to what I wrote above!! Milla, I suggest watching those old episodes love!! I think you would enjoy them!!
Elle, she admitted this day!! She said she would do anything if it was for something she wanted!! that’s sounds like an admission to me π€£π€£π€£ but even when Brooke says it herself, which she has said many times or even Hope says things, like to Donna, “do you know who my mother is” and Donnas reaction to that, yet “still”, FFans will turn a blind eye, then accuse us of doing the same thing, it’s hilarious!! π€£π€£π€£
Yes Maur this blind loyalty to Thomas and even Taylor is egregious. Some of these people clearly live in denial. That's the only explanation I can see for continuing to defend the terrible, ILLEGAL things that thomas and Taylor have done.
Hilary it's the way it will always be. If you think about it, every compelling story needs a villain π Btw I don't see the "Big Three" FFs anywhere around π π wondering what they think of this wonderful episode π
So Thomas will end up leaving Eric’s now that Douglas has been returned his rightful place. I wonder where Ridge will go?? I just don’t see him staying at Eric’s much longer. But we’ll see. I have to say I was very proud of Liam yesterday. He held back his “I told you so’s” to Hope. And even though Douglas has hurt Liam’s feelings lately a few times, Liam welcomed him back with very open and loving arms. I don’t always support Liam’s actions, especially when it comes to Steffy. But in Friday’s episode he was a real standup guy!
I have to say I'm so proud of Hope for finally seeing the truth and not like some people speculated - standing up for Thomas in this scheme. I was losing hope when she was lashing out against everyone warning her, but now she admitted she was wrong and admitted to the kiss. Grown up behavior. I'd like to see how Thomas explains himself to her... π
The FF’s were delusional thinking Hope would defend Thomas after what he did. Esp when you consider how it affected Douglas, who she loves so dearly. What Thomas did to that little boy was nothing short of child abuse. Hope is another one on the long list of people who won’t forgive Thomas anytime soon.
Elle, if you’re out there….it seems Thomas’s dark days are only beginning with regard to Ridge. Stay tuned, more fallout to come! His “two second” talk with Thomas as I think you put it, will not be the end of things. And absolutely NOTHING is gonna be glossed over and forgiven quickly. The characters on the show are all freely admitting what Thomas did was a VERY BIG DEAL!!!! Even the Forresters themselves!! Not sure why the FF’s have never been able to give it that same level of seriousness when discussing it. I still laugh about the comment someone made that the truth would come out and Ridge would simply chuckle and say…”My silly boy, Thomas. What a jokester. Now let’s get on with the wedding, Taylor!!!” THAT WAS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! π€¦♀️π€¦♀️π€¦♀️π€¦♀️
@Milla why would ANY FF's want to comment when they just get insults.^ already I have read comments to other posters that aren't team Brooke, that they're delusional, foolish live in denial. Poor Margo the other day will probably never come back to this blog the way she was attacked.
D Just stop playing the victim It’s embarrassing No one attacked margo She said that herself that i was was defending her It’s getting pathetic actually Who exactly are you trying to fool It seems its only your self
I never actually saw the comment, it was deleted when I got to that thread. But I genuinely wanted to hear Colly and Elle opinions, not trying to insult them ever and I think they know that.
D, I agree love!! Especially the big 3 FFans!! π€£π€£π€£ but Margo won’t come back.. Mmysh is trying her best to ensure that all “FF” leave, it was her main purpose coming here!! But how bored she will be when she has no one to have a go at π€£π€£π€£ And Mmysh, D wasn’t talking to you, so just shut up, and find something different to say, reading your comments are getting boring and monotonous.. You say the same shit to every “FF” and jump on them as fast as you can, it’s amusing to watch π€£π€£π€£
Milla, Margo asked why Taylor’s skin was “shiny”, then along comes Mmysh and blew it up into a big hooplah, over a single word!! Nothing new there π€£π€£π€£
Colly I know what I saw but Mmysh turned it around to say that she was defending her after Margo said she was offended by her comment. But if you go back Mmysh deleted a comment . Anyway enough of the bs. I'm sure I'll here about it.
Colly you are rhe one you need to shut ur f mouth I really was trying to be the better person especially with d she is like a dog just looking for someone to follow Just a weak follower You used to bully lynn all the time then playing the victim How a lonely pathetic . Old people you must be Of course u all hate me because i put you in ur place every time Proving you wrong π But me trying to get rid of the ffs ππππππ Omg how pathetic can you get ππ But sure everyone thinks that other people have his intentions So poor thing you are not like you We like having u here coz its so fun to prove you wrong always You made my day And good from now on i will write to you in ur style not mine its more free
D you are a piece of work I pity you Margo said i know you were defending me Of course your sneaky little mind will only mention this part ππ Thomas’s student ππ And please get a personality and stop being a crying little baby Oh Colly they are bullying me π₯²π₯² Let me hid behind you πππ ππππ
@Lynn Douglas has been returned to his rightful place where he is also asked to keep secrets from his dad and granddad and where his faux-dad is willing to cover up vehicular manslaughter at the behest of his father. Such a stellar environment for young Douglas.
It's hundreds of times better than with Thomas who hasn't even admitted what he did was wrong, not even to Douglas... "Douglas is fiiiiine" π€¦π»♀️ everyone knows that if Thomas takes the therapy seriously (which he probably won't even though both his parents and everyone agree he should) he's not in the right mind to have him, let alone full time full time. Plus he'll also have to deal with the fallout of his deeds - family and business-wise. Until Hope freaks out and pulls the crap Thomas did (and I don't believe she can, it takes a lifetime) I'll never agree it's worse for Douglas to be with her.
@Lynn I never, for a second, thought that what Thomas did was okay. My argument was always that what he did was NOT a sign that he was back to being mentally unstable or obsessive. And I still stand by that. This CPS scenario was a whole lot different than the things Thomas did when he was obsessed with Hope in the past. Very different. As I keep saying (and I know some people think it's old - too bad), Brooke pushed Thomas and he retaliated. It was not right but Brooke brought it on herself. If she had left it alone or chose to approach Thomas in a different way, things would have turned out quite differently.
You're right Elle it's not the same - the obsession was health-related, what he did now was just evil. Only he allows himself to be "pushed" to those lengths, somehow he never really fights it but goes with it happily. Plus, now he's more creative which adds the premeditated factor. And all he did after, including lashing out at Steffy like it's her fault, keeps adding to the evil. From front to back, this story keeps getting worse so definitely not the same as before.
@Milla I never said that Douglas was worse off being with Hope. My post was specific to Liam who, by the way, never admitted that he was wrong either, except to say that daddy made him do it. Vehicular manslaughter, covering it up and spending time in jail is hundreds of times better than calling CPS? And I did not even bring up his indiscretion with Aunt Steffy which caused a break in the family after Hope told him he had to leave. Poor Douglas could have had another brother or sister/cousin if Hayes had turned out to be Liam's. Poor Douglas would have been so confused. Stellar example for sure! π
Well now I feel like I have whiplash, M. π I've heard it said so many times that Thomas' aneurysm came long after Thomas had been doing so many evil things yet now, you agree that the aneurysm caused his behaviour? Not that you're wrong, but it seems to be a convenience to use the aneurysm to support an argument depending on the argument.
So once again, Brooke is not at fault because Thomas "allowed himself to be pushed?" And no, there was no creativity involved on Thomas' part, just an opportunity which presented itself in the form of Douglas' app on his phone. Nothing premeditated, just opportunistic. Thomas lashing out at Steffy shows that it was not premeditated since the main reason he did it was so that his parents could be together. And the way to do that was to get rid of Brooke. His intention was not to destroy Brooke, just to get her out of the way so premeditation, hmm, not so much.
@D You are very correct! It's a never-ending theme on this board where the FFs are attacked and insulted day in and day out. Even when we choose to ignore them, or choose not to post, they continue with their diatribes and calling us out to dare defend the actions of our faves. Then the LFs (not all of them) turn around like they are innocent of it. At some point, it starts to become tiresome and you wonder what's the point? Coming to this blog to discuss the show is slowly becoming a chore.
I don't ever remember denying his heath condition was to blame, I even remember saying to you "at least that can be treated, how do you treat evil? Ridge can't do much to help him with being malicious." If you show me any concrete contraction in *my* statementa, let me know. I always said what he did now is premeditated and illegal. Only Thomas would come up with the idea to use his kid's app for something like this. And sorry but this makes no sense at all: "Thomas lashing out at Steffy shows that it was not premeditated since the main reason he did it was so that his parents could be together." - exactly because he wanted that and acted with a plan it is premeditated. And him lashing out is because not only did his plan not work but his sister obviously doesn't share his values (or lack thereof) when there is this sacred goal to reunite mommy and daddy, it's all fair game. "Premeditated = thought out or planned beforehand." Doesn't include element of "goal" (of destroying or just removing) and definitely nothing to do with "reaction" when stopped.
Plus if his goal all along was to reunite Taylor and Ridge, how does the statement that if Brooke had left it alone, it would have turned out differently for her, make any sense? He would have just found another way.
When a person plans to murder someone who did him wrong, it is premeditated. When an opportunity presents itself to murder the person who did him wrong (such as the person came to his home to argue and he took out his gun and shot him) and he takes advantage of the opportunity (of the person coming directly to his home), it is not premeditated.
Brooke attacked Thomas and his IMMEDIATE (not pre-meditated) response was to use Douglas' app to record her voice calling CPS on him. Thomas took advantage of an opportunity. He did not sit down and got creative as you said, to come up with a grand plan to deal with Brooke. If she had not come to his home, there would have been no attack against her because prior to that, Thomas' only plan was for him and his sister to talk their parents' ears off to death.
When I mentioned Steffy, I meant that every time Steffy brought up what Thomas did, Thomas' response is that, just like her, he wanted his parents together and so, he did what he did to get Brooke out of the picture. My intent was to show that Thomas' focus was on his parents being together which was proven every time Steffy accosted him, it was not on going after Brooke.
His goal all along was indeed to get his parents together which is why both him and Steffy kept talking to both of their parents. Steffy to Taylor and Thomas to Ridge. My statement concerning Brooke was that it is the very reason why she is in the position she is today. She brought it on herself. If she had left it alone, Thomas would have continued talking his father's ear off just like Steffy would have continued talking her mother's ear off.
Yes milla He killed emma coz she wanted to tell hope the truth And he hide the truth because he wanted to give his son a mother and reunite his sister‘s family That’s really a good reason for murder His intentions are pure but poor thing he can’t make them true unless he committed murder ππ
πππAgain the aspect "size" of plan is never ever mentioned in the definition of "premeditated". Feel free to keep coming up with more, that's fun. And regarding what Thomas would have done, I will never agree he wouldn't have come up with another plan or other evil deed. A plan doesn't have to be grand or planned years in advance. He saw an app - he planned to call misrepresenting Brooke - he knew his old buddy would be able to verify the recording - he invited him - he had Ridge hear it. Plan with steps. No size, no time in advance, no other factors matter that it was premeditated.
And even if it wasn't premeditated/planned, it is so awful on its own that the premeditatedness is not even the main issue. Like I said, from front to back Thomas did an evil thing and keeps on making it worse. And he will see the consequences.
But Milla, a premeditated action usually accompanies an intention to harm someone which then leads to a full scaled plan of attack. In this case, there was no previous intention to harm Brooke. She came to Thomas' home, leveled a full on attack against him and he retaliated immediately by way of the phone app. I will agree if you said that his actions were deliberate but premeditated? The guy just wanted his parents together and Brooke was in the way, as he said. The constant need to paint Thomas as the villain and Brooke as the victim cannot stand strong. Brooke did what she did and Thomas responded to what she did in order to remove her from the equation. Was it right? No. Was it justified? Most definitely! π
Oh Elle, you’re wrapping yourself into a pretzel trying to explain away what you cannot explain away! Even I (who has watched the show for a much shorter time than many) have watched B&B long enough to know that Thomas has been “evil” for years and years!! His brain damage was specific to the mannequin incident and Thomas having hallucinations that the mannequin was actually Hope. But Thomas had done truly evil things loooooong before his brain injury!! The Brooke fans have listed those things about 300 times on this blog (myself included.) So no need to list them again. And I find it very ironic that you have the nerve to blame Thomas’ actions on Brooke because “he was pushed.” We can literally say that about most any of our favorite characters. Isn’t that why anyone ever does something…because they were pushed??!! But the ‘response’ is what determines whether or not we remain a civilized society! By your rationale - I can say Thomas pushed Brooke…because he kept the child for weeks when he was only supposed to have kept him for one night. Brooke was more than patient. She didn’t go over there until many, many days / nights had passed. So Thomas “pushed her.” Their agreement was that he would bring Douglas back after ONE OVERNIGHT!! So there goes your “but he was pushed” justification. Because Brooke was pushed first!!!! Thomas should probably serve time in jail for what he did by impersonating Brooke’s voice. There are actual fraud laws that apply. But there are no laws on the books that specify grandmas aren’t permitted to go to the house and ask for their grandson’s return if the father took the child for longer than the agreed upon time. So as usual - you are comparing apples to oranges and wrapping yourself into a pretzel trying to make excuses for evil Thomas!!!
And yes, what Thomas did by making that CPS call absolutely DOES show he is mentally unstable. His obsession with Hope was just an added bonus to what we witnessed from his whacked out brain. Even Thomas was self-talking…saying to himself….Don’t get obsessed again with Hope. And Steffy saw it too and called him out on it. The ONLY person who didn’t see it (because she simply didn’t want to) was Hope!!! Everyone else saw it!!!
And Elle, don’t you do something for a living that is “law” related?? And truly you are stating on this blog that what Thomas did was “not premeditated”???!!!! How can you say that with a straight face??? ππππ You and I both know that if a friend of yours came over to your house and you got into an argument with that person and you shoved that person in anger and they fell and hit their head and died, that would be considered manslaughter. It literally happened in the moment. And there was no forethought or intent ahead of time. But what Thomas did was calculated IN ADVANCE. As Milla pointed out, it doesn’t need to be planned months in advance to be premeditated. I can make a plan today and carry it out tomorrow. And that is still considered PREMEDITATED!! And you know better. So why are you deflecting here??!! What Thomas did was absolutely premeditated. And his intention was to destroy Brooke’s marriage to Ridge. That is ABSOLUTELY an intent to cause HARM!!!
Elle, one final thing on your comments above… As far as the LF’s “calling out the FF’s”, it’s simply because WE CAN. If you guys were ever right, you’d be doing the exact same thing. Lol. But your side has been in a…let’s say…”losing streak” for quite sometime now. As soon as you ladies actually get an opportunity to stick it to us and tell us how wrong we were, you will!!! It’s just been a long time since your side has been able to say that!! It’s not that the FF’s are so noble. We all know that’s not the case. Lol!!!
Pretty sad and insensitive of Ridge to not even give Taylor the courtesy to say the wedding is officially off. She has clearly drawn that conclusion on her own. But seriously, he treats people he supposedly ‘loves’ like dirt on his shoe. I will never be a Taylor fan, but can still sympathize with the fact that he’s such an ASS to all his women. πππ
Ridge told Taylor that he is going to set things straight. He did not indicate how long that would be but I think it was enough for Taylor, Thomas and Steffy to know that the wedding was not going to continue on that day.
Why is it being assumed that the wedding is off? Maybe it did not continue on that specific day but it does not mean that it is off. That is left to be seen.
Oh my gosh Elle…are you seriously still holding out hope that Ridge and Taylor are still getting married??!! π€¦♀️π€¦♀️π€¦♀️ Even the other FF’s know it’s off. The short lived Taylor / Ridge romance is OVER!! Just admit defeat here and move on. Lol
Unknown, it means Forrester Fans.. Yes, it’s usually on almost every “Logan Fan” comments.. Anyhoo, I really loved the conversation between Taylor and Brooke, I was impressed by Brooke, right up until Taylor said an ominous goodbye, as though it may be that she is leaving permanently, but the very devious grin on Brookes face after Taylor walked out, tells me that perhaps Brooke has not changed all that much?? It was more of a victory , and yes she is finally gone, and I won grin, which you could clearly see on her face what she was thinking!! You could clearly tell that she wasn’t overjoyed when Taylor explained what happened in Aspen, the things Ridge said to her and that when she ran, he chased her up the mountain.. It was clear, Brooke wasn’t expecting that, or was happy about that, particularly when she floated about the outcome of her conversation with Ridge.. I am almost of the belief, that the things Brooks said to Ridge , was not just due to self respect?? But perhaps a way to scare Ridge into keeping away from Taylor.. I still maintain that Brooke did the right thing, but also think she is trying a new tactic to stop Ridge from running away from her and to Taylor.. She knows Ridge very well, and she knows what it is that attracts him to Taylor so much.. So she is changing tactics.. The look on her face when Taylor asked her the outcome of her conversation, then what she said.. Even though I could sense that, I was hoping both women would see the light finally.. I sense that with Taylor, but not with Brooke after today.. but at least Ridge is getting exactly what he deserves!!
If I were Brooke, went through what that moron put her through and then found out what had happened, Taylor's part in it (albeit “5 mins”) and heard her confession that she was holding on to that hope that it wouldn't matter - I would also feel relieved and even vindicated.
Yes , Of course Milla, and she should, but she is taking it all out on Taylor, as she always does, which I think is unfair.. She didn’t go straight to Thomas, she went to Taylor.. Taylor left town, to do the right thing, by herself and Brooke, and remove herself from the situation, as she did not want to be responsible in any way for coming between Brooke and Ridge.. Taylor even apologised to Brooke in that conversation they had where Taylor told Brooke he was struggling because he loved them both.. She did not want to be the one responsible in any way, or to do that to Brooke, and no one can deny that.. She apologised to Brooke and left to Aspen.. yes, absolutely she should have told him, but, Ridge chased her there, made her believe it had nothing to do with Brooke… and you can’t say she is a terrible person because she believed what he said, you all watched it.. so yes finding out just before walking down the isle, in complete shock but still believing in Ridges words and promises to her, she didn’t have time to even process it.. So feeling vindicated is fair enough, but the way she grinned that infamous grin after Taylor left, says a lot about her true nature.. She wanted Taylor gone the very first moment Taylor came back.. She went straight to Taylor to tell her to stay away from Ridge, she blamed Taylor for everything that went wrong in her marriage, despite what she did with Deacon, constant rants that her issues with Ridge is because Taylor came back and is trying to come between her and Ridge, said multiple times, why did she have to come back and I wish she would just leave.. I thought Brooke had really taken a new step forward, but that devious, I won and she is finally leaving , was disappointing.. I would have thought that Thomas would have been the first one Brooke would have confronted, as it was him that caused all of this.. But no, she made a beeline to Taylor..
Taylor came between them, and that was her goal If wasn’t she would have stopped her kids Or at least didn’t bad mouthing brook any chance she had And what so funny was make fun of brook’s men list while she had a longer one ππ Anyway there is always excuses for Taylor The five minutes knowing before the ceremony not an excuse for not telling his and try to take advantage The same way she eas with Stephanie‘s manipulations Then she really said that Thomas made excellent points? π No, he didn't When he spoke he sounded delusional at best He knows why and when his father left Brooke Ridge didn't plan it before the CPS call. Thomas and Taylor both know that Ridge's feelings didn't play any role in him divorcing Brooke When Taylor talked about Ridge chasing her on the top of the mountain and so on Brooke should tell her how Ridge flat out told her that he has feelings for Taylor, but not as strong as for her and that she is his everything. (I don't remember the exact wording but it was more or less like this). Brooke was too gentle. If roles would be reversed Taylor would yell like a banshee and call Brooke names At least the Taylor apologized for once. She didn't apologize for the others times Thomas tried to destroy Brooke's family and her life. But sure its always brook’s fault
Milla, not only that, but even when Ridge convinced Taylor that he wanted to marry her and be with him, not once did Taylor go to Brooke to Bragg or rub her nose in it, which is exactly what Brooke always does, including today..
Ridge told her Taylor only found out 5 mins before the ceremony, and Brooke couldn’t help but confront Taylor, right after Ridge walked out on her at the alter and went running to her.. She couldn’t resist the opportunity to go and rub Taylor’s nose in the sand and kick her while she was down.. That conversation could have waited.. Not only that, despite Ridge telling Brooke Taylor only knew a few minutes before the ceremony, she still spun it to Taylor that she knew all along and went along with it??
Why did she not go straight to Thomas first?? He was the one at fault.. she went to Taylor first, just to stick it to her.. So, between that and that smug grin, I don’t think Brooke is as changed as she would like ppl to believe..
Brava Colly ππ»ππ»ππ» on everything you said! I agree that Brooke's whole speech to Ridge was a new tactic given her beeline to Taylor to basically say "I won and you are not worthy of Ridge." It was why she made such a big deal to Ridge about Taylor knowing. She just wanted to demonize Taylor so that Ridge could choose her (Brooke). I am so hoping that after Ridge has done his soul-searching and returns, that he would still choose to marry Taylor, just to wipe that stupid smirk off Brooke's face.
@ Mmysh - exactly! You nailed it! And there will be no Taylor / Ridge wedding. As we keep saying….Brooke could have gone over there and blasted Taylor. She chose not to. And Brooke apologized first - which was over and above what her responsibility was in that situation. Brooke handled herself wonderfully. Does she have every right to be happy that this disaster is finally over and smirk to herself. YES SHE DOES!!! ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ» Brooke will still deal with Thomas unless Ridge banishes Thomas completely, in which case Brooke won’t need to do a thing as far as Thomas is concerned. But I’m sure if Brooke does confront Thomas one on one and let’s him have it like she has every right to do!!! - we’ll have to hear from the FF’s how she had no right to do that!!! πππππππ Too hilarious!!!!
Elle, LFans are sure that Ridge wants to be with Brooke, Brooke is positive he wants to be with her, but I have a nightly feeling he is going to want to be with Taylor over his soul searching.. But I think Taylor will turn him away.. The look on Brookes face, when she told Ridge he needs to do some soul searching and fiqure out what he really wants, his answer was yes he does, the look on Brookes face was of acknowledgement and, disappointment, as it was confirmation to her that he wasn’t going to say, will you have me back, and also showed her, his feelings for Taylor are much stronger than she thought, and not just because he thought she did something wrong.. yet when Taylor asked her what the outcome of her conversation with Ridge, she made it out like and even said that she told Ridge she won’t take him back until he figures things out.. it came across as that he wanted her back and she refused.. But I think she knows how strong his feelings for Taylor are, because if they were not, he wouldnt have chased her up that mountain!!
There r no words for what a pig Ridge is.. after lying to Taylor since Aspen, he doesn’t even have balls to face her after she challenged him on his lies.. First he questions her integrity about not telling him five minutes before she had to walk down the isle, because she put so much faith and stock in his lies, then he turns it around on her, and when she challenges him, he runs straight to Brooke and doesn’t even have the balls to face Taylor and answer her questions.. He knows he f#%*^* badly, and can’t give her the decency or respect to face her and talk to her after walking out.. Pig doesn’t even come close to what he is.. I hope both women stick to their guns and piss him off.. he doesn’t deserve any woman at all.. he deserves to die lonely old man!!
Milla, that’s Ridges MO, always has been, he screws up royally but then turns it around on them.. when he is challenged with his lies and behaviour, he says nothing, just turns it around or walks away.. He deserves what he is getting.. I hope he loses them both.. I hope he ends up a lonely old man!! But we all know, Ridge isn’t without a woman for very long!! If not those two, will end up someone else, although, with the shortage of characters these days, he might have to hook up with Paris π€’π€£π€£π€£ omg, can u imagine that??!! π₯΄π₯΄
I would also hope that he loses them both but I know how the show works - he always finds someone even in the rare gaps between reunions with Brooke. Somehow always someone wants him - even Katie π So Paris is not off limits at all! π
Taylor "Hayes" ??? So now this stupid idiot doesn't remember her own birth name ? Hamilton NOT Hayes whom was her 1st husband's name. The man that was abusive and dangerous! And what kind of normal person will name a baby after an abusive man seriously ??? And what about this SL!! Deja vu! How many time did Thomas lied and accused Brooke of something she didn't do, Ridge then left her and asked Taylor to marry him when suddenly someone says the truth and BAM, Taylor is abandoned at the altar. Oh, and this everlasting chorus each time "Bouhouhou Brooke broke our family" when will these idiots grow up? They are in they 30' and still saying that?? The only one that broke their family is RIDGE. Only RIDGE! Why can't they see that the jerk always run away from them to be with Brooke? It has always been HIS choice, HIS decision. Nobody EVER forced him to let his family down. Assume instead of putting the blame on someone else! Once and for all Taylor stop letting him treat you like crap! How many time will you let this jerk humiliates you ? Both of them should just kick him to the curb, Ridge is NOT a good man nor a good father, he is a self center pig that only love himself, he is just like his mother!
Brooke, Brooke, Brooke.... she just can't help herself. She makes 2 steps forward and 10 steps back. After the way she stood up for herself against Ridge talking about him needing to decide for himself what he wants and realizing that she needs to respect herself more, she goes over to Taylor's to accuse, blame, insult and disrespect her. Wtf Brooke? I can't even acknowledge her apology to Taylor because I do not think it was sincere. Not for one second! But then again, that's Brooke for you. I should have known better.
I finally looked at the show last night and am very upset about Douglas returning to the dank, dingy cabin. And it's not so much about his return but about what he said: "I am so happy to be back home. I missed being here." π Wasn't it 2 - 3 weeks ago, Douglas told Liam that he did not want to return to the cabin then, when he went to the office with Liam, begged Hope and Thomas not to return to the cabin? ππ These writers are all over the place. The lack of continuity in storylines makes it seem as though they write to suit whatever is going on at the moment. I will say though that at least twice, Douglas looked like he was not really happy to be back at the cabin even though he said that he was.
Douglas looked relieved to be with Hope and Liam. And it's not so unlikely to miss living with his mom and step-sister while enjoying Eric's house. The two aren't mutually exclusive and especially to a child. Plus after the past days when he was in hell because of Thomas - even more likely he changed his feelings.
And there was no way they would keep him with Thomas any longer after what he did to him and everyone witnessed. It was pretty natural for him to return to Hope.
Plus I think they wanted to show that he's still sad about what his dad did, he can't be all smiles and giggles after what he went through. And he misses him and feels bad for him, it's his dad. Many complicated feelings in the child's head.
Milla, Douglas can't look relieved and sad at the same time. It's either he is relieved to be home in which case he would be happy or he is so affected by what his father did that he is sad. He certainly did not look relieved to me. Hope and Liam gushing that he was home while hugging him, and the camera pans to his face, he did not look at all relieved.
And what hell are you talking about? Thomas wanting him to keep a secret? Didn't Brooke want him to keep a secret as well? And he was shown to be extremely bothered by it so much so that Thomas sensed something was wrong, in the same way that Steffy sensed something was wrong with him. So to say that Thomas put him through hell is saying that Brooke also put him through hell.
I agree that he feels sad about what happened with his dad which would certainly explain the looks on his face. There was no relief there, just sadness. We also have to take into consideration that he did not want to return to the cabin, he wanted to stay with his dad and to have his mom and Beth spend nights with them. Douglas wanted his parents together and this could also be why he is sad.
The hell I'm talking about is the one that Thomas put him through and I already explained that π won't repeat myself.
I know you guys love that comparison with what Brooke wanted Douglas to be silent about, but we shattered it to pieces already so many times I won't repeat myself here either. It's world's apart from what and how he was treated now. And he can very very well be relieved and still sad about his dad. He's not a robot. Put yourself in his shoes for a second. Douglas has shown himself very smart until know so it's more than clear his feelings are so different by now - what's right and what's wrong plays a big big role to him. And to state the obvious for you - he's relieved that he won't have to keep his dad's machinations anymore.
Exactly milla you explained the est over and over Its not worth it Anything happened should be turned to be against brook even if its not related to her π
My bringing up Brooke's indiscretion and Douglas' role was not to compare the 2, it was to specifically address your statement that Douglas was in hell on account of what his father did. I am not comparing the 2 scenarios in any way, just stating that both scenarios caused Douglas an undue amount of stress and so, if Thomas caused him hell then it's safe to say that Brooke also caused him hell.
@ Elle, every child wants to believe his or her father is Superman. Even when Thomas has let Douglas down time and time again, Douglas holds out hope that his dad is a great guy. But the truth is, Thomas is very far from being a great guy. So I’m sure Douglas has mixed emotions. Right now what Thomas did is very fresh in Douglas’ mind. He is probably relived to be away from Thomas who very recently caused Douglas a ton of stress and anxiety. So yes, he can be happy to be back at the cabin where his existence is HAPPY. His existence with Thomas was happy for a very short period of time. Then the truth came out. Abd BAM!!!! π₯π₯π₯π₯ So as far as the WRITERS are concerned, I think this is a plausible storyline.
I’m betting (no actual bets because the FF’s shy away from them now), that Ridge’s romance with Taylor is entirely over. Anyone who wants to bet that the opposite is true…I will be happy to take them up on that bet. *****Ridge walked away from that ceremony for 2 reasons.****** 1. He knew the reason he committed to Taylor and left Brooke was entirely based on a call that it turns out Brooke did NOT make. And 2….Taylor really let him down for not being honest with him before they said their “I do’s.” And he was not happy about that!!
Taylor can keep telling everyone and herself that she didn’t think the truth coming out before the wedding would matter…because Ridge told her that he wasn’t marrying her because of anything Brooke did. But the REAL reason Taylor didn’t say anything before she was to marry him is because….SHE ABSOLUTELY KNEW RIDGE WOULD WALK AWAY FROM PUTTING THAT RING ON HER FINGER IF HE KNEW THE TRUTH BEFOREHAND. Just like he did - by the way!!!! ππππ The Ridge and Taylor romance is OVER. And I’m ready to place a bet with anyone who wants to. Lol
I cried my eyes out for conversations exchanged between Brooke and Taylor. I glad both ladies see the light. They apologize to each other and now moving forward.
ReplyDeleteGood for them
DeleteEven though a paint cat fight would be nice to watch ππππ
Thank God both women are waking up out of their stupor over a stoopid man. Love him they do, but enough of the waffling has to be enough. Demand respect and the full monty or get lost.... Hopefully there will be a twist in the plot. Writers we are waiting!!!!
DeletePaint cat?!?! *meowwww*
DeleteBrooke did more worse than Taylor. She married multiple times to different men
ReplyDelete, told so many lies and kept secrets for a long time. So why she's acting if she's better than Taylor?
She kinda is
DeleteAnd what is wrong with being married multiple times ??
Taylor slept with more men
Killed someone and shot another from behind
So how is that makes her better than brook or any other character for that matter
Both women had thier share of mistakes and heartache
None is better than the other
And absolutely brook wasn’t acting she is better
But sure you would see it like that
Exactly Mmysh. I'm so glad to see Brooke and Tay Tay apologize to each other. But I have a sneaking suspicion that it won't be long before at least one of the is chasing after ridge again. My bet is on Taylor
DeleteTotally agree hilary
DeleteEleanor Rigby, oops I mean the wedding ingenue Taylor waking up to Ridge not coming back still won't lead her to change tactics and any chance she gets she will try to stake her claim. The wedding dress make-up looked like death knocking. If her grip is literally impossible to shake in life, that kind of gloming bond in eternity ain't looking good.
DeleteBravo brook
ReplyDeleteAnd Taylor
Steffy for standing to thomas
And hope for telling your husband about the kiss
A powerful women episode ❤️❤️
Yes!!
DeleteSo true, Mmysh!!
DeleteThe writers blew every possibilities of exciting storylines these days...
ReplyDeleteI just love how liam came to love Douglas this much
ReplyDeleteHe is so good with him
Bravo liam
I thought so too π€ Liam is a good guy, has developed a lot since the teenage times where he just wanted someone to marry him π
Deleteπ exactly milla
DeleteMycket bra avsnitt i dag
ReplyDeleteThis was one amazing episode where Taylor and Brooke were able to talk maturely without have cake or paint thrown at each other, and it was really agreed that Ridge really needs to get his brain together and to think more maturely than immaturely instead of waffling back and forth like and tennis or ping pong game, Ridge being the ball, and Brooke and Taylor are the racquets or ping pong pad πΎπ. Maybe that's why he can't decide on which woman he wants. π΅π₯΄ As for Thomas, he is about to lose everything and to be left with nothing, I read an article saying that Steffy will be firing him, Eric will kick Thomas out, a rumor that Ridge could disown him, and Hope will get full custody of Douglas. How does fell now Thomas that you lost everything.
ReplyDeleteI somehow don't believe it will go that far for Thomas! π he's done far worse with far less consequences than what you describe. He'll manage to appease his family as always and at some point will be onto another scheme π
DeleteThomas' family will believe he's changed again. They put Douglas at risk pretending Thomas was a decent guy.
DeleteThen KARMA bit Thomas in the ass!!!! ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»
DeleteSo many loose ends being tied ππ finally... finally Hope - opened her eyes, admitted, got the kid back and admitted the attempted kiss. Liam is a class act.
ReplyDeleteThomas best you can do is shut up now and follow your dad's lead to walk away and think about what you did.
Douglas you're the sweetest little man π€π€ and they are a lovely little family π₯°
Good cat fight, though a bit too tame, between Brooke and Krista ππΌ... HT Taylor would bark right back, I miss that :/ Krista should learn to show some teeth, hopefully with time πͺπΌπͺπΌ
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Delete@Milla Hope thinks she is so sure that she knows a person is good when she sees it, but did she really, NO! It had to take something like this to show that Hope isn't as smart as she thinks she is, in knowing whether or not she can trust someone like Thomas, she was "fooled." It had to take an innocent like this to open her eyes, otherwise she would have continued to be fooled again. But now that its revealed, let's see how she will handle Thomas now. Thomas is not thinking that he did something wrong, he didn't look to me that he was worried, but when those consequences start hitting him, like losing his job, his father, his son and his grandfather, then I think he will start to worry. I too miss Hunter Tylo, but her and Katherine Kelly were not personally getting a long and she did not like what they did with her character, so I don't blame her for coming back.
DeleteI think Hope was quite disappointed so I don't see her thinking "knows a person is good when she sees it". But either way, it's not about her, she didn't hurt anybody and the only one to be shamed is Thomas.
DeleteI read that HT and KKL purposefully maintained their distance to have a plausible negative chemistry between them. And it definitely work for years ππΌI'm not blaming any actor of anything but definitely see the difference, as much as I applaud Krista for her work so far ππΌ
PS so Ridge didn't even come back go Taylor to give her the dignity of an explanation? Isn't he going to be staying at his daddy's as always when between women?
Delete@Milla Ridge never came back to give her an answer on what was going to happen, he just left went to Brooke's spilled the beans, then never came back to give them an answer, he just disappeared and avoided Taylor. I assume he will be staying with his father unless he went and took a trip somewhere without telling anyone. By the way, I was just reading a soap article about what B&B will do with and Thomas. There is an idea they are thinking of Bill is going to go back to his old ways again and will use Thomas for his advantage to ruin Ridge by having Thomas competing again the Forrester family. Doesn't that storyline sound familiar when Ridge did that against his father and Thorne back in the 90's?
DeleteThat does sound plausible but I wouldn't count on those articles they write so many things that never happen. I sometimes think the writers change their minds because some scenes look weird, like last minute put together.
DeleteLogan's whole speech to Ridge was more about her control of him and how he better tow-the-line with her in the future. Her "realizations" were threats of her tightening the noose Ridge wears willingly. He'll go for it again and again, and use Taylor when she's convienent, to assert his droopy teabags.
DeleteYep BL, that’s exactly what it is.. She is changing tactics now, she knows Ridge loves Taylor in part for her morals, something Brooke missed out on when she was developing in the womb.. So she is trying that on to see if it fits.. Taylor’s not perfect, but she never took men from their wives or families and while with Ridge, she was loyal and devoted to him.. So Brooke is seizing the opportunity to turn this around on Taylor and use the moral high ground tactics..
DeleteMy heart breaks for Taylor.
ReplyDeleteThe smirk on Brooke's face at the end deserved a slap.
Brooke won and she knows it. She has Ridge under her finger.
Poor Taylor a woman destroyed with lies even by her own son. I feel pity for her. I think she left for good. So π Brooke and poor Taylor saw that Ridge is a pile of crap.
Poor Thomas Steffy should understand her brother. he doesn't need help only the understanding of not having a father as everyone had.
Douglas went back to sleepy baby Hope and sleepy Liam. more cra#.
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DeleteThomas "doesn't need help only the understanding of not having a father as everyone had"? First of all, he has a father and definitely not any less than Steffy who is showing hundreds of times more maturity now than him.
DeleteSecond - how can he possibly not need help, but endless understanding for whatever he concocts, how will that solve his issues?
@tina, as far as I see it, Thomas has harboured a resentment from boyhood towards Brooke for enticing his father away from his mother (who I think he loves dearly,) and his family. It has eaten him up inside and just wants to hurt Brooke in the craziest way that he knows how. He is also frustrated by his love for Hope, so instead of finding himself a "main squeeze" his life's mission is to destroy Brooke. That kind of situation can certainly affect a child, so I can have some sympathy for him.
DeleteAgain someone comment that Brook is better than Taylor WRONG! Brook went through the whole Forrester men the father the two brothers and hope better keep her eyes open cause her and Liam was getting close when she lost Ridge she had a baby by her own daughters husband so why would her other daughters husband be any different! She took Ridge off Taylor. Brook is disguising and I'm tired of watching this back and fourth And Liam dont get me started on that punk.. if Thomas was there when Hope told Liam about the kiss he wouldn't of done anything but look stupid! I'm gonna stop watching the Bold and the beautiful. Its getting on my nerves.
DeleteKross maybe if his mother told him tje truth why her and his father got divorced maybe he will start to heal
DeleteAnd stop with this hate
Which is unreasonable or even make sense since he used to have a good relationship with brook he even kinda fall in love with her
πππ really soap fan
DeleteTaylor beated brook with the forrester men and got all the logen men
Plus murder πππ
But yeah she is better πππ
Milla yeah especially when he killed emma
DeletePoor thomas he only needed some understanding π
Milla you are totally right. Thomas had so much more than most people, and his dad was always there. He's just a spoiled entitled sociopath. I don't know of any grown ass man that would pull so much crazy shit to get rid of his stepmom and reunite his parents. That's like something a 10 year old would do , not a man pushing 30. Those are the actions of an emotionally stunted man-child. Not to mention the laws he's broken and the psychopathy of it all.
DeleteI don’t see how anyone can feel bad for Taylor. She knew she was going to get hurt by Ridge once again and she was still desperate to marry him and lie about Thomas. And Thomas is the apple that didn’t fall far from the Tree. He acts as bad as his father, the peter pan syndrome.
Delete@Tina. I was almost believing that apology from Brooke to Taylor was sincere, until that gloating smirk at the end. What was I thinking, it is Brooke we are talking about and shows her character. It did deserve a slap.
DeleteBrooke got the last laugh for sure. Was that smirk well deserved? I’d have to say YES it was!!! Thomas tricked his dad into being with Taylor. Taylor was ready to walk down the aisle and marry Ridge without letting Ridge know the truth. Only a desperate woman with no self-confidence would do such a thing. Brooke could have let Taylor have it when she walked into Eric’s!! But she didn’t. She was actually very sympathetic with Taylor’s situation. Brooke handled herself extremely well with Taylor. She went above and beyond in the ‘being understanding’ department. Then Taylor left and Brooke realizes - I won!! It was absolutely a well deserved smirk. And Brooke did win because she has put Ridge on notice and Taylor is probably out of Ridge’s life for good in a romantic sense anyway. Or as long as “for good” is in soap opera time. Lol.
DeleteThe only people who truly deserve to be slapped are Ridge and Thomas for their outright deception!!!
Exactly lynn
DeleteI don’t know how some people think
A women try to take her husband
And she had the chance to take him back but she preferred her self respect
And the other woman failed
So yes let her smirk
Apropos Brooke showing class - *she* was the first one to say I'm sorry!! She was the one who went through all this and she said sorry first. That was a huge huge step for Brooke if anyone knows her. She used to be much more selfish and often wouldn't say sorry even when it was her fault. And yes I agree she has all the right to feel relieved and to some extent - content.
DeleteMilla, correct, she never apologised for breaking up families and marriages and relationships in the past!! This is huge, and definitely a first time for her!! So I could give her full credit there!! But then the smirk, just took all that “class” and “apology” out the window!!
DeleteD, it’s never wise to believe anything when it comes to Brooke!!
DeleteKROSSBREED69 YES, I agree with you.
DeleteLynn and the only reason for Brooke's kindness was because she won at the end. I truly believe this.
DeleteD never ever trust a woman like Brooke. When she can't finish her work she tells everyone to help her out. She does her job very well as well as all the Logan'S.
DeleteTina so true and when Brooke laid into Taylor questioning her integrity by not speaking up to tell the truth to Ridge as she was walking down the aisle? I'm sure if roles were reversed Brooke wouldn't have said anything either.
Delete@Colly a smirk doesn't mean so much to me in light of 1. What Brooke went through and learning Taylor's and Thomases part in it 2. The fact that she simply recounted what happened, all she said was exactly what happened and if the roles were reversed, Taylor would have the right to react the exact same way. And at the exact same time. Why should she wait? For what?
DeleteI can also make the case that Brooke would have confronted whoever was still there - Taylor or Thomas or both - and she had objectively no way of knowing it would be Taylor only.
She is also right that Taylor always took the moral high ground and the fact that she didn't tell Ridge is something I would also call out to such a person.
Exactly milla
DeleteHypocrite Taylor always did that
Use any manipulation to her advantage and then when its blow up in their face she starts yelling at the one who did it
She did it with Stephanie all the time
I’m sure there was plenty of smirking by Steffy, Taylor and Thomas when Ridge announced he was serving Brooke annulment papers. And also when Ridge announced he was choosing Taylor over Brooke and it was supposedly “Nothing Brooke did to cause Ridge to have a change of heart.” Taylor, Steffy and Thomas all thought they won. There were plenty of smirks going on then. Where was the smirk outrage from the FF’s when all that was going on???
DeleteBrooke’s smirk was well deserved. She had been set up!! And now - finally - the cards are on the table. ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»
Brooke did not need to apologize to Taylor. She could have gone over there to give Taylor a lashing and thrown it up in her face. Taylor knows nothing about the quiet smirk that Brooke made when she was alone. Brooke handled herself wonderfully. And as I said before, the smirk (which hurt no one) was well deserved!!
Exactly lynn
DeleteIts so pathetic this outrage over it
Coz its they thing to make brook the bad guy
Its funny how much its bothers them ππ
D, the real question here is, “why didn’t Ridge believe Brooke” when he asked her and she denied it?? The answer is relatively simple!! Because she lies so frequently, that its is not that far fetched that she wasn’t, for probably the first time in her life!! There’s the answer!! π€£π€£π€£ Brooke would have said NOTHING if the roles were reversed.. She wouldn’t even struggle with wether she should or not!! This is the woman who faked a pregnancy and miscarriage to keep Ridge away from Taylor.. So yeah, that would have been a walk in the park for Brooke.. No guilt, no remorse.. why do you think Brooke and Hope are having a field day mocking Taylor?? because, its not usually Taylor’s MO, it’s Brookes!! People don’t have that same reaction with Brooke, because it’s just the norm for her!! π€£π€£π€£
DeleteEven though she actually didn’t lie, you can’t blame Ridge for believing it was Brooke, he heard her voice.. so the funniest line of the day for me, was Brooks saying, “ why didn’t you just tell me, and I would have told you it wasn’t me”!! He tried that, she said that!!
DeleteI feel so sorry for Taylor. She always gets hurt. Does anyone know for sure, is Thomas losing everything? That would be nice. I liked Thomas being a better father but no more..
ReplyDelete@Patologi Thomas will lose everything, I learned that Steffy will fire him, Ridge will disown him, there is also talk about Eric kicking him out of the mansion, and Hope will get full custody of Douglas plus he will no longer work with her for hope and the future.
DeleteElizabeth, I know you like to share spoilers, but some on the blog may not want to know. Not to mention, the spoilers are just straight up wrong a lot of the time. You can post what you want, but I would hope you would keep the details of the spoilers to minimum. Thanks.
DeleteYep, Douglas back at the cabin with a good caring mom, Liam and grandma Brooke. All is well!! ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»
ReplyDeleteI read the comments that people are still rooting for Thomas after all that’s happened! Are you kidding me??? Poor, poor Thomas. π€£π€£π€£π€£. Dad’s leave mom’s in life all the time!! Some are completely absent from their kids lives forever!! That’s not the case with Thomas. Not to mention his huge silver spoon, cushy lifestyle, power, prestige…the list goes on and on!! But ya, poor poor Thomas!!! Give me a dang break!!! Thomas should be in prison for some of the crap he’s pulled. And Milla is right, whatever fallout comes his way will be temporary…but he deserves all of those consequences and then some!!!!
Even his words in today’s episode just show his over the top ARROGANCE!!! “Brooke is always in the way, so I removed her.” Like that is somehow perfectly reasonable. The guy needs to pay!!! And it looks like he finally will!!!
The Brooke and Taylor exchange was interesting. It almost seems like Taylor was taking more of a permanent exit. We may not see her for a while.
I like that they both apologized and agreed that Ridge cannot continue to give his heart to both of them.
Brooke’s smirk at the end looked a little devious to me. I think she sees this as Taylor leaving for good. But I hope even if that’s true and Taylor moves away, Brooke sticks to her guns and doesn’t take Fickle Ridge back anytime soon.
I’m thinking we are going to start seeing more Deacon / Sheila stuff soon. Something’s gonna happen with Bill too.
But I think the Ridge/ Taylor/ Brooke triangle has officially ended for a long long time. HOPEFULLY!!
Actually it would be nice to not see Ridge for a long while. But I think he has unfinished business with Thomas.
Very true what you're saying Lynn, especially about Thomas.
DeleteI just hope now that the triangle is over, we don't end up in a dump storyline-wise with characters not doing anything but talking (aka what Sheila and Deacon are doing the whole time). I also want to see some new romance finally, a real one.
And what will Christmas look like with everybody mad, hurt or taking time to think... :/ let's see what Bell does, so far it was interesting, hope he keeps it up.
To be honest, I was kind of hoping that Brooke and Taylor would have hugged after their very mature conversation.
DeleteWell since the love triangle has officially ended, we are going to be moving to some new story lines. FINALLY!!! Yay for that!!!
DeleteI can`t honestly believe the things that were said and the foolishness of soap fans reasoning.
ReplyDeleteBrooke is this terrible person?! Yet she hasn`t actually shot or killed anyone unlike both Taylor, Thomas and Steffy and yet they`re all so amazing? Oh bloody well spare us the crap...PLEASE!
Patologi, you feel sorry for Taylor? The woman who shot a man in the back and left him for dead? Who interfered in a marriage to the degree where she openly attempted to destroy it? Instead of pitying her, how about looking at her objectively and seeing she continues to get hurt because of her deplorable behaviour! Her children put her on a pedestal and that too is hilarious given her actions. πππ
Oopsie, Maur, I am pretty sure it was you who not long ago, told me to stop bringing up the past, and I responded that you do it all the time , when it suits “your” agenda to make a point!! And here we are!! π€£π€£π€£
DeleteYes maur truth hurts hypocrites ππππ
DeleteThat's right, Colly. And since we are going into the past, Brooke did attempt to shoot Stephanie and missed. In the eyes of the law, it is still considered attempted murder! So Brooke is no innocent there. Yet, she's still soooooooooo amazing. As for interfering in and destroying marriages, *cough* Brooke did it too *cough* And she openly admitted it the other day. If the LFs would look at Brooke objectively, they would admit that she causes a lot of her own miseries by her despicable and selfish actions. As for the pedestal, Brooke's own children cannot put her there because she has wronged them too many times by her own self-serving actions. It's not only Taylor's children who put her on a pedestal, Ridge as well. That is why he is disappointed whenever Taylor falls off of the pedestal he has put her on.
DeleteElle, like Maur, if we are going to the past, you are correct!! Not only that, Maur states Taylor’s behaviour, and being objective, yet everytime we bring up what Brooke did taking not one but two husbands from her own Daughter and Katie’s numerous times, and we asked for the Brooks fans to address it, we get a bunch of excuses why they can’t comment on it OR as it usually is ignored and nothing said.. So we are reminded of Taylor’s past actions CONSTANTLY, and told to either address their questions OR we have to be objective?? Yet I when we ask the same, it gets swept under the rug!! So Maur, please try to be objective and address Brookes behaviour having a kid to one and marrying the other husbands of her daughter, and let Katie drink herself into oblivion because she was paranoid about Brooks and Bill, who were bonking Bills secret room in his office, but lying to Katie that nothing was going on, and let her drink herself stupid when she was right all along and lied to?? That’s just one of the times she took Bill from under Katie’s nose!! How about those actions actions Maur?? Can “you” be “objective”? Can you address it, without deflecting and turning it around on to Taylor?
DeleteElle π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ speaking of Brookes kids, not only can they not put her on a pedestal, but Bridgett and Rick left to get away from her!! π€£π€£π€£π€£ she screwed those two up so badly, they won’t even live in the same state as their mother, never mind put her on a pedestal!! π€£π€£π€£
DeleteWhat’s also funny, is we get told we can’t be objective and defend our faves no matter what they do, yet there is nothing but “excuses” for that smug victory grin Brooke pulled!! Even said she was entitled to do it!! FFans r objective , my a#* they are, and still no response as usual to what I wrote above!! Milla, I suggest watching those old episodes love!! I think you would enjoy them!!
DeleteElle, she admitted this day!! She said she would do anything if it was for something she wanted!! that’s sounds like an admission to me π€£π€£π€£ but even when Brooke says it herself, which she has said many times or even Hope says things, like to Donna, “do you know who my mother is” and Donnas reaction to that, yet “still”, FFans will turn a blind eye, then accuse us of doing the same thing, it’s hilarious!! π€£π€£π€£
DeleteYes Maur this blind loyalty to Thomas and even Taylor is egregious. Some of these people clearly live in denial. That's the only explanation I can see for continuing to defend the terrible, ILLEGAL things that thomas and Taylor have done.
ReplyDeleteHilary it's the way it will always be. If you think about it, every compelling story needs a villain π
DeleteBtw I don't see the "Big Three" FFs anywhere around π π wondering what they think of this wonderful episode π
@ Milla - IT’s CRICKETS from the main FF’s right now!!!! π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£
DeleteSo Thomas will end up leaving Eric’s now that Douglas has been returned his rightful place. I wonder where Ridge will go?? I just don’t see him staying at Eric’s much longer. But we’ll see. I have to say I was very proud of Liam yesterday. He held back his “I told you so’s” to Hope. And even though Douglas has hurt Liam’s feelings lately a few times, Liam welcomed him back with very open and loving arms. I don’t always support Liam’s actions, especially when it comes to Steffy. But in Friday’s episode he was a real standup guy!
DeleteExactly lynn
DeleteTotally agree about liam
And for ridge maybe we will not see him at all
Maybe now its actually the time for actor vacation
That absolutely makes sense, Mmysh! ππ»ππ»
DeleteI have to say I'm so proud of Hope for finally seeing the truth and not like some people speculated - standing up for Thomas in this scheme. I was losing hope when she was lashing out against everyone warning her, but now she admitted she was wrong and admitted to the kiss. Grown up behavior. I'd like to see how Thomas explains himself to her... π
DeleteMilla me too
DeleteThe FF’s were delusional thinking Hope would defend Thomas after what he did. Esp when you consider how it affected Douglas, who she loves so dearly. What Thomas did to that little boy was nothing short of child abuse. Hope is another one on the long list of people who won’t forgive Thomas anytime soon.
DeleteElle, if you’re out there….it seems Thomas’s dark days are only beginning with regard to Ridge. Stay tuned, more fallout to come! His “two second” talk with Thomas as I think you put it, will not be the end of things. And absolutely NOTHING is gonna be glossed over and forgiven quickly.
The characters on the show are all freely admitting what Thomas did was a VERY BIG DEAL!!!! Even the Forresters themselves!! Not sure why the FF’s have never been able to give it that same level of seriousness when discussing it.
I still laugh about the comment someone made that the truth would come out and Ridge would simply chuckle and say…”My silly boy, Thomas. What a jokester. Now let’s get on with the wedding, Taylor!!!” THAT WAS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! π€¦♀️π€¦♀️π€¦♀️π€¦♀️
@Milla why would ANY FF's want to comment when they just get insults.^ already I have read comments to other posters that aren't team Brooke, that they're delusional, foolish live in denial. Poor Margo the other day will probably never come back to this blog the way she was attacked.
DeleteD Just stop playing the victim
DeleteIt’s embarrassing
No one attacked margo
She said that herself that i was was defending her
It’s getting pathetic actually
Who exactly are you trying to fool
It seems its only your self
I never actually saw the comment, it was deleted when I got to that thread. But I genuinely wanted to hear Colly and Elle opinions, not trying to insult them ever and I think they know that.
DeleteD, I agree love!! Especially the big 3 FFans!! π€£π€£π€£ but Margo won’t come back.. Mmysh is trying her best to ensure that all “FF” leave, it was her main purpose coming here!! But how bored she will be when she has no one to have a go at π€£π€£π€£ And Mmysh, D wasn’t talking to you, so just shut up, and find something different to say, reading your comments are getting boring and monotonous.. You say the same shit to every “FF” and jump on them as fast as you can, it’s amusing to watch π€£π€£π€£
DeleteMilla, Margo asked why Taylor’s skin was “shiny”, then along comes Mmysh and blew it up into a big hooplah, over a single word!! Nothing new there π€£π€£π€£
DeleteColly I know what I saw but Mmysh turned it around to say that she was defending her after Margo said she was offended by her comment. But if you go back Mmysh deleted a comment . Anyway enough of the bs. I'm sure I'll here about it.
DeleteColly you are rhe one you need to shut ur f mouth
DeleteI really was trying to be the better person especially with d she is like a dog just looking for someone to follow
Just a weak follower
You used to bully lynn all the time then playing the victim
How a lonely pathetic . Old people you must be
Of course u all hate me because i put you in ur place every time
Proving you wrong π
But me trying to get rid of the ffs ππππππ
Omg how pathetic can you get ππ
But sure everyone thinks that other people have his intentions
So poor thing you are not like you
We like having u here coz its so fun to prove you wrong always
You made my day
And good from now on i will write to you in ur style not mine its more free
D you are a piece of work
DeleteI pity you
Margo said i know you were defending me
Of course your sneaky little mind will only mention this part ππ
Thomas’s student ππ
And please get a personality and stop being a crying little baby
Oh Colly they are bullying me π₯²π₯²
Let me hid behind you πππ
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@Hilary The LFs continue to defend Brooke's (and all of the Logans) immoral, selfish behaviours and all of Brooke's lies. What's your point?
Delete@Lynn Douglas has been returned to his rightful place where he is also asked to keep secrets from his dad and granddad and where his faux-dad is willing to cover up vehicular manslaughter at the behest of his father. Such a stellar environment for young Douglas.
DeleteIt's hundreds of times better than with Thomas who hasn't even admitted what he did was wrong, not even to Douglas... "Douglas is fiiiiine" π€¦π»♀️ everyone knows that if Thomas takes the therapy seriously (which he probably won't even though both his parents and everyone agree he should) he's not in the right mind to have him, let alone full time full time. Plus he'll also have to deal with the fallout of his deeds - family and business-wise.
DeleteUntil Hope freaks out and pulls the crap Thomas did (and I don't believe she can, it takes a lifetime) I'll never agree it's worse for Douglas to be with her.
@Lynn I never, for a second, thought that what Thomas did was okay. My argument was always that what he did was NOT a sign that he was back to being mentally unstable or obsessive. And I still stand by that. This CPS scenario was a whole lot different than the things Thomas did when he was obsessed with Hope in the past. Very different. As I keep saying (and I know some people think it's old - too bad), Brooke pushed Thomas and he retaliated. It was not right but Brooke brought it on herself. If she had left it alone or chose to approach Thomas in a different way, things would have turned out quite differently.
DeleteYou're right Elle it's not the same - the obsession was health-related, what he did now was just evil. Only he allows himself to be "pushed" to those lengths, somehow he never really fights it but goes with it happily. Plus, now he's more creative which adds the premeditated factor. And all he did after, including lashing out at Steffy like it's her fault, keeps adding to the evil. From front to back, this story keeps getting worse so definitely not the same as before.
Delete@Milla I never said that Douglas was worse off being with Hope. My post was specific to Liam who, by the way, never admitted that he was wrong either, except to say that daddy made him do it. Vehicular manslaughter, covering it up and spending time in jail is hundreds of times better than calling CPS? And I did not even bring up his indiscretion with Aunt Steffy which caused a break in the family after Hope told him he had to leave. Poor Douglas could have had another brother or sister/cousin if Hayes had turned out to be Liam's. Poor Douglas would have been so confused. Stellar example for sure! π
DeleteWell now I feel like I have whiplash, M. π I've heard it said so many times that Thomas' aneurysm came long after Thomas had been doing so many evil things yet now, you agree that the aneurysm caused his behaviour? Not that you're wrong, but it seems to be a convenience to use the aneurysm to support an argument depending on the argument.
DeleteSo once again, Brooke is not at fault because Thomas "allowed himself to be pushed?" And no, there was no creativity involved on Thomas' part, just an opportunity which presented itself in the form of Douglas' app on his phone. Nothing premeditated, just opportunistic. Thomas lashing out at Steffy shows that it was not premeditated since the main reason he did it was so that his parents could be together. And the way to do that was to get rid of Brooke. His intention was not to destroy Brooke, just to get her out of the way so premeditation, hmm, not so much.
@D You are very correct! It's a never-ending theme on this board where the FFs are attacked and insulted day in and day out. Even when we choose to ignore them, or choose not to post, they continue with their diatribes and calling us out to dare defend the actions of our faves. Then the LFs (not all of them) turn around like they are innocent of it. At some point, it starts to become tiresome and you wonder what's the point? Coming to this blog to discuss the show is slowly becoming a chore.
DeleteI don't ever remember denying his heath condition was to blame, I even remember saying to you "at least that can be treated, how do you treat evil? Ridge can't do much to help him with being malicious." If you show me any concrete contraction in *my* statementa, let me know. I always said what he did now is premeditated and illegal. Only Thomas would come up with the idea to use his kid's app for something like this. And sorry but this makes no sense at all: "Thomas lashing out at Steffy shows that it was not premeditated since the main reason he did it was so that his parents could be together." - exactly because he wanted that and acted with a plan it is premeditated. And him lashing out is because not only did his plan not work but his sister obviously doesn't share his values (or lack thereof) when there is this sacred goal to reunite mommy and daddy, it's all fair game.
Delete"Premeditated = thought out or planned beforehand." Doesn't include element of "goal" (of destroying or just removing) and definitely nothing to do with "reaction" when stopped.
*contradiction in *my* statements
DeletePlus if his goal all along was to reunite Taylor and Ridge, how does the statement that if Brooke had left it alone, it would have turned out differently for her, make any sense? He would have just found another way.
DeleteWhen a person plans to murder someone who did him wrong, it is premeditated. When an opportunity presents itself to murder the person who did him wrong (such as the person came to his home to argue and he took out his gun and shot him) and he takes advantage of the opportunity (of the person coming directly to his home), it is not premeditated.
DeleteBrooke attacked Thomas and his IMMEDIATE (not pre-meditated) response was to use Douglas' app to record her voice calling CPS on him. Thomas took advantage of an opportunity. He did not sit down and got creative as you said, to come up with a grand plan to deal with Brooke. If she had not come to his home, there would have been no attack against her because prior to that, Thomas' only plan was for him and his sister to talk their parents' ears off to death.
When I mentioned Steffy, I meant that every time Steffy brought up what Thomas did, Thomas' response is that, just like her, he wanted his parents together and so, he did what he did to get Brooke out of the picture. My intent was to show that Thomas' focus was on his parents being together which was proven every time Steffy accosted him, it was not on going after Brooke.
His goal all along was indeed to get his parents together which is why both him and Steffy kept talking to both of their parents. Steffy to Taylor and Thomas to Ridge. My statement concerning Brooke was that it is the very reason why she is in the position she is today. She brought it on herself. If she had left it alone, Thomas would have continued talking his father's ear off just like Steffy would have continued talking her mother's ear off.
Yes milla
DeleteHe killed emma coz she wanted to tell hope the truth
And he hide the truth because he wanted to give his son a mother and reunite his sister‘s family
That’s really a good reason for murder
His intentions are pure but poor thing he can’t make them true unless he committed murder ππ
πππAgain the aspect "size" of plan is never ever mentioned in the definition of "premeditated". Feel free to keep coming up with more, that's fun.
DeleteAnd regarding what Thomas would have done, I will never agree he wouldn't have come up with another plan or other evil deed. A plan doesn't have to be grand or planned years in advance. He saw an app - he planned to call misrepresenting Brooke - he knew his old buddy would be able to verify the recording - he invited him - he had Ridge hear it. Plan with steps. No size, no time in advance, no other factors matter that it was premeditated.
And even if it wasn't premeditated/planned, it is so awful on its own that the premeditatedness is not even the main issue. Like I said, from front to back Thomas did an evil thing and keeps on making it worse. And he will see the consequences.
But Milla, a premeditated action usually accompanies an intention to harm someone which then leads to a full scaled plan of attack. In this case, there was no previous intention to harm Brooke. She came to Thomas' home, leveled a full on attack against him and he retaliated immediately by way of the phone app. I will agree if you said that his actions were deliberate but premeditated? The guy just wanted his parents together and Brooke was in the way, as he said. The constant need to paint Thomas as the villain and Brooke as the victim cannot stand strong. Brooke did what she did and Thomas responded to what she did in order to remove her from the equation. Was it right? No. Was it justified? Most definitely! π
DeleteOh Elle, you’re wrapping yourself into a pretzel trying to explain away what you cannot explain away! Even I (who has watched the show for a much shorter time than many) have watched B&B long enough to know that Thomas has been “evil” for years and years!! His brain damage was specific to the mannequin incident and Thomas having hallucinations that the mannequin was actually Hope. But Thomas had done truly evil things loooooong before his brain injury!! The Brooke fans have listed those things about 300 times on this blog (myself included.) So no need to list them again.
DeleteAnd I find it very ironic that you have the nerve to blame Thomas’ actions on Brooke because “he was pushed.” We can literally say that about most any of our favorite characters. Isn’t that why anyone ever does something…because they were pushed??!! But the ‘response’ is what determines whether or not we remain a civilized society!
By your rationale - I can say Thomas pushed Brooke…because he kept the child for weeks when he was only supposed to have kept him for one night. Brooke was more than patient. She didn’t go over there until many, many days / nights had passed. So Thomas “pushed her.” Their agreement was that he would bring Douglas back after ONE OVERNIGHT!! So there goes your “but he was pushed” justification. Because Brooke was pushed first!!!!
Thomas should probably serve time in jail for what he did by impersonating Brooke’s voice. There are actual fraud laws that apply. But there are no laws on the books that specify grandmas aren’t permitted to go to the house and ask for their grandson’s return if the father took the child for longer than the agreed upon time. So as usual - you are comparing apples to oranges and wrapping yourself into a pretzel trying to make excuses for evil Thomas!!!
And yes, what Thomas did by making that CPS call absolutely DOES show he is mentally unstable. His obsession with Hope was just an added bonus to what we witnessed from his whacked out brain. Even Thomas was self-talking…saying to himself….Don’t get obsessed again with Hope. And Steffy saw it too and called him out on it. The ONLY person who didn’t see it (because she simply didn’t want to) was Hope!!! Everyone else saw it!!!
DeleteAnd Elle, don’t you do something for a living that is “law” related?? And truly you are stating on this blog that what Thomas did was “not premeditated”???!!!! How can you say that with a straight face??? ππππ
DeleteYou and I both know that if a friend of yours came over to your house and you got into an argument with that person and you shoved that person in anger and they fell and hit their head and died, that would be considered manslaughter. It literally happened in the moment. And there was no forethought or intent ahead of time.
But what Thomas did was calculated IN ADVANCE. As Milla pointed out, it doesn’t need to be planned months in advance to be premeditated. I can make a plan today and carry it out tomorrow. And that is still considered PREMEDITATED!! And you know better. So why are you deflecting here??!!
What Thomas did was absolutely premeditated. And his intention was to destroy Brooke’s marriage to Ridge. That is ABSOLUTELY an intent to cause HARM!!!
Lynn πππ
DeleteElle, one final thing on your comments above…
DeleteAs far as the LF’s “calling out the FF’s”, it’s simply because WE CAN. If you guys were ever right, you’d be doing the exact same thing. Lol. But your side has been in a…let’s say…”losing streak” for quite sometime now. As soon as you ladies actually get an opportunity to stick it to us and tell us how wrong we were, you will!!! It’s just been a long time since your side has been able to say that!! It’s not that the FF’s are so noble. We all know that’s not the case. Lol!!!
Pretty sad and insensitive of Ridge to not even give Taylor the courtesy to say the wedding is officially off. She has clearly drawn that conclusion on her own. But seriously, he treats people he supposedly ‘loves’ like dirt on his shoe.
ReplyDeleteI will never be a Taylor fan, but can still sympathize with the fact that he’s such an ASS to all his women. πππ
Ridge told Taylor that he is going to set things straight. He did not indicate how long that would be but I think it was enough for Taylor, Thomas and Steffy to know that the wedding was not going to continue on that day.
DeleteWhy is it being assumed that the wedding is off? Maybe it did not continue on that specific day but it does not mean that it is off. That is left to be seen.
Oh my gosh Elle…are you seriously still holding out hope that Ridge and Taylor are still getting married??!! π€¦♀️π€¦♀️π€¦♀️
DeleteEven the other FF’s know it’s off. The short lived Taylor / Ridge romance is OVER!! Just admit defeat here and move on. Lol
Elle, I actually agree, I actually think Ridge might go to Taylor after his soul searching?? I might b wrong?? But I think he might??
DeleteWhat does this FFS even mean I see it on all the comments
ReplyDeleteUnknown, it means Forrester Fans.. Yes, it’s usually on almost every “Logan Fan” comments.. Anyhoo, I really loved the conversation between Taylor and Brooke, I was impressed by Brooke, right up until Taylor said an ominous goodbye, as though it may be that she is leaving permanently, but the very devious grin on Brookes face after Taylor walked out, tells me that perhaps Brooke has not changed all that much?? It was more of a victory , and yes she is finally gone, and I won grin, which you could clearly see on her face what she was thinking!! You could clearly tell that she wasn’t overjoyed when Taylor explained what happened in Aspen, the things Ridge said to her and that when she ran, he chased her up the mountain.. It was clear, Brooke wasn’t expecting that, or was happy about that, particularly when she floated about the outcome of her conversation with Ridge.. I am almost of the belief, that the things Brooks said to Ridge , was not just due to self respect?? But perhaps a way to scare Ridge into keeping away from Taylor.. I still maintain that Brooke did the right thing, but also think she is trying a new tactic to stop Ridge from running away from her and to Taylor.. She knows Ridge very well, and she knows what it is that attracts him to Taylor so much.. So she is changing tactics.. The look on her face when Taylor asked her the outcome of her conversation, then what she said.. Even though I could sense that, I was hoping both women would see the light finally.. I sense that with Taylor, but not with Brooke after today.. but at least Ridge is getting exactly what he deserves!!
ReplyDeleteOh ok thx for that lol
DeleteIf I were Brooke, went through what that moron put her through and then found out what had happened, Taylor's part in it (albeit “5 mins”) and heard her confession that she was holding on to that hope that it wouldn't matter - I would also feel relieved and even vindicated.
DeleteYes , Of course Milla, and she should, but she is taking it all out on Taylor, as she always does, which I think is unfair.. She didn’t go straight to Thomas, she went to Taylor.. Taylor left town, to do the right thing, by herself and Brooke, and remove herself from the situation, as she did not want to be responsible in any way for coming between Brooke and Ridge.. Taylor even apologised to Brooke in that conversation they had where Taylor told Brooke he was struggling because he loved them both.. She did not want to be the one responsible in any way, or to do that to Brooke, and no one can deny that.. She apologised to Brooke and left to Aspen.. yes, absolutely she should have told him, but, Ridge chased her there, made her believe it had nothing to do with Brooke… and you can’t say she is a terrible person because she believed what he said, you all watched it.. so yes finding out just before walking down the isle, in complete shock but still believing in Ridges words and promises to her, she didn’t have time to even process it.. So feeling vindicated is fair enough, but the way she grinned that infamous grin after Taylor left, says a lot about her true nature.. She wanted Taylor gone the very first moment Taylor came back.. She went straight to Taylor to tell her to stay away from Ridge, she blamed Taylor for everything that went wrong in her marriage, despite what she did with Deacon, constant rants that her issues with Ridge is because Taylor came back and is trying to come between her and Ridge, said multiple times, why did she have to come back and I wish she would just leave.. I thought Brooke had really taken a new step forward, but that devious, I won and she is finally leaving , was disappointing.. I would have thought that Thomas would have been the first one Brooke would have confronted, as it was him that caused all of this.. But no, she made a beeline to Taylor..
DeleteTaylor came between them, and that was her goal
DeleteIf wasn’t she would have stopped her kids
Or at least didn’t bad mouthing brook any chance she had
And what so funny was make fun of brook’s men list while she had a longer one ππ
Anyway there is always excuses for Taylor
The five minutes knowing before the ceremony not an excuse for not telling his and try to take advantage
The same way she eas with Stephanie‘s manipulations
Then she really said that Thomas made excellent points? π No, he didn't
When he spoke he sounded delusional at best
He knows why and when his father left Brooke
Ridge didn't plan it before the CPS call. Thomas and Taylor both know that Ridge's feelings didn't play any role in him divorcing Brooke
When Taylor talked about Ridge chasing her on the top of the mountain and so on Brooke should tell her how Ridge flat out told her that he has feelings for Taylor, but not as strong as for her and that she is his everything. (I don't remember the exact wording but it was more or less like this). Brooke was too gentle. If roles would be reversed Taylor would yell like a banshee and call Brooke names
At least the Taylor apologized for once. She didn't apologize for the others times Thomas tried to destroy Brooke's family and her life.
But sure its always brook’s fault
Milla, not only that, but even when Ridge convinced Taylor that he wanted to marry her and be with him, not once did Taylor go to Brooke to Bragg or rub her nose in it, which is exactly what Brooke always does, including today..
DeleteRidge told her Taylor only found out 5 mins before the ceremony, and Brooke couldn’t help but confront Taylor, right after Ridge walked out on her at the alter and went running to her.. She couldn’t resist the opportunity to go and rub Taylor’s nose in the sand and kick her while she was down.. That conversation could have waited.. Not only that, despite Ridge telling Brooke Taylor only knew a few minutes before the ceremony, she still spun it to Taylor that she knew all along and went along with it??
Why did she not go straight to Thomas first?? He was the one at fault.. she went to Taylor first, just to stick it to her.. So, between that and that smug grin, I don’t think Brooke is as changed as she would like ppl to believe..
Brava Colly ππ»ππ»ππ» on everything you said! I agree that Brooke's whole speech to Ridge was a new tactic given her beeline to Taylor to basically say "I won and you are not worthy of Ridge." It was why she made such a big deal to Ridge about Taylor knowing. She just wanted to demonize Taylor so that Ridge could choose her (Brooke). I am so hoping that after Ridge has done his soul-searching and returns, that he would still choose to marry Taylor, just to wipe that stupid smirk off Brooke's face.
Delete@ Mmysh - exactly! You nailed it! And there will be no Taylor / Ridge wedding.
DeleteAs we keep saying….Brooke could have gone over there and blasted Taylor. She chose not to. And Brooke apologized first - which was over and above what her responsibility was in that situation. Brooke handled herself wonderfully. Does she have every right to be happy that this disaster is finally over and smirk to herself. YES SHE DOES!!! ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»
Brooke will still deal with Thomas unless Ridge banishes Thomas completely, in which case Brooke won’t need to do a thing as far as Thomas is concerned. But I’m sure if Brooke does confront Thomas one on one and let’s him have it like she has every right to do!!! - we’ll have to hear from the FF’s how she had no right to do that!!! πππππππ Too hilarious!!!!
Yes lynn everyone has the right to defend themselves even if they ate the bad people but not brook πππ
DeleteElle, LFans are sure that Ridge wants to be with Brooke, Brooke is positive he wants to be with her, but I have a nightly feeling he is going to want to be with Taylor over his soul searching.. But I think Taylor will turn him away.. The look on Brookes face, when she told Ridge he needs to do some soul searching and fiqure out what he really wants, his answer was yes he does, the look on Brookes face was of acknowledgement and, disappointment, as it was confirmation to her that he wasn’t going to say, will you have me back, and also showed her, his feelings for Taylor are much stronger than she thought, and not just because he thought she did something wrong.. yet when Taylor asked her what the outcome of her conversation with Ridge, she made it out like and even said that she told Ridge she won’t take him back until he figures things out.. it came across as that he wanted her back and she refused.. But I think she knows how strong his feelings for Taylor are, because if they were not, he wouldnt have chased her up that mountain!!
DeleteNiggling not nightly
DeleteThere r no words for what a pig Ridge is.. after lying to Taylor since Aspen, he doesn’t even have balls to face her after she challenged him on his lies.. First he questions her integrity about not telling him five minutes before she had to walk down the isle, because she put so much faith and stock in his lies, then he turns it around on her, and when she challenges him, he runs straight to Brooke and doesn’t even have the balls to face Taylor and answer her questions.. He knows he f#%*^* badly, and can’t give her the decency or respect to face her and talk to her after walking out.. Pig doesn’t even come close to what he is.. I hope both women stick to their guns and piss him off.. he doesn’t deserve any woman at all.. he deserves to die lonely old man!!
ReplyDeleteVery true Colly. I mean, Taylor could have easily thought Ridge got back with Brooke if Brooke hadn’t shown up. There’s no end to his impudence.
DeleteMilla, that’s Ridges MO, always has been, he screws up royally but then turns it around on them.. when he is challenged with his lies and behaviour, he says nothing, just turns it around or walks away.. He deserves what he is getting.. I hope he loses them both.. I hope he ends up a lonely old man!! But we all know, Ridge isn’t without a woman for very long!! If not those two, will end up someone else, although, with the shortage of characters these days, he might have to hook up with Paris π€’π€£π€£π€£ omg, can u imagine that??!! π₯΄π₯΄
DeleteI would also hope that he loses them both but I know how the show works - he always finds someone even in the rare gaps between reunions with Brooke. Somehow always someone wants him - even Katie π
DeleteSo Paris is not off limits at all! π
Taylor "Hayes" ??? So now this stupid idiot doesn't remember her own birth name ? Hamilton NOT Hayes whom was her 1st husband's name. The man that was abusive and dangerous! And what kind of normal person will name a baby after an abusive man seriously ???
ReplyDeleteAnd what about this SL!! Deja vu!
How many time did Thomas lied and accused Brooke of something she didn't do, Ridge then left her and asked Taylor to marry him when suddenly someone says the truth and BAM, Taylor is abandoned at the altar.
Oh, and this everlasting chorus each time
"Bouhouhou Brooke broke our family"
when will these idiots grow up? They are in they 30' and still saying that??
The only one that broke their family is RIDGE. Only RIDGE!
Why can't they see that the jerk always run away from them to be with Brooke? It has always been HIS choice, HIS decision. Nobody EVER forced him to let his family down. Assume instead of putting the blame on someone else!
Once and for all Taylor stop letting him treat you like crap! How many time will you let this jerk humiliates you ?
Both of them should just kick him to the curb, Ridge is NOT a good man nor a good father, he is a self center pig that only love himself, he is just like his mother!
Yeah tell it out loud to the hypocrite people in the back ππ
DeleteMiss-sushi, don’t you mean this everlasting chorus, “we are DESTINY”!? π€£π€£π€£
DeleteBrooke, Brooke, Brooke.... she just can't help herself. She makes 2 steps forward and 10 steps back. After the way she stood up for herself against Ridge talking about him needing to decide for himself what he wants and realizing that she needs to respect herself more, she goes over to Taylor's to accuse, blame, insult and disrespect her. Wtf Brooke? I can't even acknowledge her apology to Taylor because I do not think it was sincere. Not for one second! But then again, that's Brooke for you. I should have known better.
ReplyDeleteI finally looked at the show last night and am very upset about Douglas returning to the dank, dingy cabin. And it's not so much about his return but about what he said: "I am so happy to be back home. I missed being here." π Wasn't it 2 - 3 weeks ago, Douglas told Liam that he did not want to return to the cabin then, when he went to the office with Liam, begged Hope and Thomas not to return to the cabin? ππ These writers are all over the place. The lack of continuity in storylines makes it seem as though they write to suit whatever is going on at the moment. I will say though that at least twice, Douglas looked like he was not really happy to be back at the cabin even though he said that he was.
Douglas looked relieved to be with Hope and Liam. And it's not so unlikely to miss living with his mom and step-sister while enjoying Eric's house. The two aren't mutually exclusive and especially to a child.
DeletePlus after the past days when he was in hell because of Thomas - even more likely he changed his feelings.
And there was no way they would keep him with Thomas any longer after what he did to him and everyone witnessed. It was pretty natural for him to return to Hope.
Milla ππππππ
DeletePlus I think they wanted to show that he's still sad about what his dad did, he can't be all smiles and giggles after what he went through. And he misses him and feels bad for him, it's his dad. Many complicated feelings in the child's head.
DeleteMilla, Douglas can't look relieved and sad at the same time. It's either he is relieved to be home in which case he would be happy or he is so affected by what his father did that he is sad. He certainly did not look relieved to me. Hope and Liam gushing that he was home while hugging him, and the camera pans to his face, he did not look at all relieved.
DeleteAnd what hell are you talking about? Thomas wanting him to keep a secret? Didn't Brooke want him to keep a secret as well? And he was shown to be extremely bothered by it so much so that Thomas sensed something was wrong, in the same way that Steffy sensed something was wrong with him. So to say that Thomas put him through hell is saying that Brooke also put him through hell.
I agree that he feels sad about what happened with his dad which would certainly explain the looks on his face. There was no relief there, just sadness. We also have to take into consideration that he did not want to return to the cabin, he wanted to stay with his dad and to have his mom and Beth spend nights with them. Douglas wanted his parents together and this could also be why he is sad.
The hell I'm talking about is the one that Thomas put him through and I already explained that π won't repeat myself.
DeleteI know you guys love that comparison with what Brooke wanted Douglas to be silent about, but we shattered it to pieces already so many times I won't repeat myself here either. It's world's apart from what and how he was treated now.
And he can very very well be relieved and still sad about his dad. He's not a robot. Put yourself in his shoes for a second.
Douglas has shown himself very smart until know so it's more than clear his feelings are so different by now - what's right and what's wrong plays a big big role to him. And to state the obvious for you - he's relieved that he won't have to keep his dad's machinations anymore.
Exactly milla you explained the est over and over
DeleteIts not worth it
Anything happened should be turned to be against brook even if its not related to her π
My bringing up Brooke's indiscretion and Douglas' role was not to compare the 2, it was to specifically address your statement that Douglas was in hell on account of what his father did. I am not comparing the 2 scenarios in any way, just stating that both scenarios caused Douglas an undue amount of stress and so, if Thomas caused him hell then it's safe to say that Brooke also caused him hell.
Delete@ Elle, every child wants to believe his or her father is Superman. Even when Thomas has let Douglas down time and time again, Douglas holds out hope that his dad is a great guy. But the truth is, Thomas is very far from being a great guy.
DeleteSo I’m sure Douglas has mixed emotions. Right now what Thomas did is very fresh in Douglas’ mind. He is probably relived to be away from Thomas who very recently caused Douglas a ton of stress and anxiety. So yes, he can be happy to be back at the cabin where his existence is HAPPY. His existence with Thomas was happy for a very short period of time. Then the truth came out. Abd BAM!!!! π₯π₯π₯π₯
So as far as the WRITERS are concerned, I think this is a plausible storyline.
*He is probably relieved to be away from Thomas…
Delete*He is probably relieved to be away from Thomas.
DeleteI’m betting (no actual bets because the FF’s shy away from them now), that Ridge’s romance with Taylor is entirely over. Anyone who wants to bet that the opposite is true…I will be happy to take them up on that bet.
ReplyDelete*****Ridge walked away from that ceremony for 2 reasons.******
1. He knew the reason he committed to Taylor and left Brooke was entirely based on a call that it turns out Brooke did NOT make.
And 2….Taylor really let him down for not being honest with him before they said their “I do’s.” And he was not happy about that!!
Taylor can keep telling everyone and herself that she didn’t think the truth coming out before the wedding would matter…because Ridge told her that he wasn’t marrying her because of anything Brooke did. But the REAL reason Taylor didn’t say anything before she was to marry him is because….SHE ABSOLUTELY KNEW RIDGE WOULD WALK AWAY FROM PUTTING THAT RING ON HER FINGER IF HE KNEW THE TRUTH BEFOREHAND. Just like he did - by the way!!!! ππππ
The Ridge and Taylor romance is OVER. And I’m ready to place a bet with anyone who wants to. Lol