The Bold and the Beautiful 5-9-23 Full episode B&B 9th May 2023
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RJ was a bit snotty when he started that conversation. It’s a bit much to blame Thomas solely for his not coming home earlier. There is something RJ is hiding and it will come up eventually.
ReplyDeleteI’m glad they seem to have made their peace and Thomas is supportive of his wee brother just being who he is without pressure to follow in the family trade.
Liam is a such a liar, he never doubted Hope’s loyalty etc?? Really that is why he was convinced she cheated on with Thomas during Mannequingate?? Is that why he ran to Steffy and refused to consider he may not have seen what he thought he did? Or even talk to Hope and ask her anything?? Because he had total faith in her?? 🙄🙄🙄
I had to laugh when Hope asked him not to talk about Thomas when they were being intimate. Poor Liam is a wee bit clueless there.
Poor Hope is desperate to convince herself she loves Liam. Even Liam had noticed that she suddenly is different in bed together… more passionate than she has ever been etc. When she’s been woolgathering about Thomas. No coincidence there.
I do feel bad for her because she’s trying to do the right thing by Liam and it makes her miserable. It would still help her more to admit her to Brooke or a close friend so she can talk through it with somebody who would understand and support her.
Steffy is so worried about what she saw she’s not paying attention to that sexy hubby of hers.
I’m curious about the business trip other posters have been speaking about. Hmmm so many possibilities there.
Yes he was BBfan. I don't think Thomas is the sole reason that he didn't want to come home either. There is something he is suppressing. Maybe now they have made their peace he will open up to Thomas eventually.
DeleteAs for Liam, can he be anymore clueless? He doesn't find it strange all of a sudden she wants to be home with him and be intimate in a way they haven't been for a long time? All because she IS trying to convince herself and Liam, she's still in love with him even though I'm sure her mind was on Thomas and trying to get him out of her head.
Lama mentioned yesterday it was something she had read on a spoiler site so she's not sure if this trip is true or not. I haven't heard any mention of a trip on the show.
Hope is not desperate to convince Liam she loves him. I don't think she's doubting her love for Liam.
DeleteThis Thomas thing can't compare especially considering it stems after decades of toxicity.
The way I heard RJ was that the pressure of being the one who bonds them all is too much, that's why he didn't want to come home. But, honestly, if I had a step-brother like Thomas, I also would be anxious to come home, considering he had no limits of who he hurts. He had little regard to his own son, what's left for his step-bro who is on the Bridge side of things. I'd be worried for my life.
PS yes they will be in SF and even stuck there at an airport. It's in the official previews.
DeleteI disagree Milla. Yes she loves Liam but I don't think she is in love with him anymore. He tries to dictate what she should do, question her when she doesn't and not at all supportive of her just controlling. RJ is hiding something. I don't think it's all because of Thomas. That was just an easy way out of saying what's really going on.
DeleteYou don't think Brooke and Ridge have done anything for him to be ashamed of and not want to come back to that either?
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DeleteNo I don't think they have done anything for their kid to be ashamed of them. And even if they did, Thomas' deeds trump it all. That's why it's mentioned and nothing about Brooke and Ridge. I watch and listen what they tell us. The day he says it has anything to do with Brooke and Ridge is the day I will believe that. And he surely has a past, would be pretty boring if he doesn't.
DeleteAnd you have the right to think Hope is not in love with her husband because of some reasons *you* believe, but she isn't *shown* to feel. She may be infatuated with Thomas but she's not the kind of person to stop loving her husband just like that. And that's what matters and what will decide her actions on the screen.
D - what are you talking about “they haven’t been intimate in a long time” ??? We just saw the last Hope / Liam love making scene a short time ago. Not sure what constitutes a long time to you. Lol. But it sure hasn’t been “a long time” since they’ve been intimate!
DeleteMilla just a clarification, Thomas and are RJ are half brothers not step brothers. They have the same father and different mothers. Thomas and Hope were step siblings while Ridge and Brooke were married.
DeleteLynn, D did not say that Liam and Hope were not intimate in a long time, she questioned whether Liam didn't find it strange that they were intimate in a way they haven't been in a long time. It was in direct reference to Liam marveling at the change in Hope's love-making.
DeleteThank you Elle. I'm too tired to explain but even if I try it won't matter.
DeleteNo worries. I gotchu, D. 🤗
DeleteD - that’s pretty rich considering you question the meaning of virtually every one of my comments. 😂😂😂😂
DeleteHow many times have I had to “explain what I meant” in the past 2 days alone???
And let me explain the “level of intimacy” comment that you made. Hope loves Liam very much, and she wants to show him!!! She is feeling badly for the daydreams and what happened at the office yesterday, so she ramped up the passion with her husband. She wasn’t having fantasies about making love to Thomas like all you ladies were soooooooo hoping she would. So you have to glob onto whatever little twist you can put on things to make it look like Hope wasn’t enjoying sex with Liam. I find that ridiculous and a little pathetic quite honestly. The woman loves her husband. End of story.
Yes BBFAN that was obviously a technical mistake, I know they have the same father, so even worse - if I had a half-brother like Thomas I'd be anxious. But good for RJ for coming back nevertheless. And he showed a lot of class today, they really seem to be able to get along. It was also nice of Thomas to offer RJ to try his hand at designing and wasn't territorial about the role.
DeleteLynn Liam himself told Wyatt recently that Hope was making an effort and is extra attentive. But you know for people here she'll always be in the wrong where Liam is concerned. They'd point out when she's intimate with him like overcompensating, they'd point out when she's not shown with him like she isn't in love... But it doesn't matter anyway. We will see what actually happens, that's what matters, and not what people read in it and try to sell as facts.
DeleteMilla, 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
DeleteMilla,apologies, I wasn’t trying to be technical, there are quite a few here that have English as a second or third language. 🙏🏻
DeleteBBFAN I know and I actually see my reaction as snarky. I apologize ❤️
DeleteMilla, it's not that we think she doesn't love Liam or that what she does with him is not a sign of her love for him. It's that we also see that she's struggling with her feelings for Thomas as well. That has been made quite clear on the show even though people are trying to minimize it as just a passing interest.
DeleteSo when we see Hope start to go into overdrive in her efforts with her husband, which he also highlighted on the show more than once, it's obvious that Hope is trying to hold on for dear life to what she has with Liam by trying to forget about Thomas. She has been trying to fight her feelings and what Steffy said to her recently might also be driving her efforts.
Liam himself said that he thought he was going to be at home with the kids again while she was at work. RJ also said that he heard that he (Thomas) and his sister spend all their time with each other. It's not difficult to see that Hope is doing all of this not just for the sake of her marriage but also to put Thomas out of her mind, even though she keeps thinking of him while she's laying in Liam's arms.
Lynn how many times do I have to explain myself? Its been a lot more than 2 days. You don't have to explain anything to me. Remember? I just glob onto whatever little twist I can to prove my "perception" of what I think is happening so it's ridiculous and pathetic.
DeleteThat comment is ridiculous and pathetic . So don't explain the level of intimacy to me the way you see it.
Of course she is trying to put Thomas out of her mind. I don't see anyone claiming otherwise. But going on overdrive and hanging on for dear life are gross exaggerations for a woman spending time with her husband and trying to solidify her relationship. You can twist it as much as you want but her actions are of a devoted wife. And that includes yes trying to put the crush behind her. I am yet to see any actual on-screen proof that her feelings are anything other than temporary.
DeleteD - I literally never ask for clarification on your comments. In the past few days you have asked for clarification on mine multiple times. If you don’t understand what my point is, then don’t bother responding. I’m simply telling you that I don’t want to have to keep explaining everything to you. Like when you asked who specifically had mentioned a kiss that was supposed to happen sometime in the future between Hope and Thomas. That kiss thing has come up many times on this blog by FF’s. And I’m not gonna go back and research time stamps and posters names to give you warm fuzzies. I’m also not going to explain to you over and over again that Hope genuinely is IN LOVE with Liam. And not just because I see it with my own eyes, but also because she has actually been professing her love for Liam on many of the recent episodes. I honestly don’t care what you choose to believe because you think you have your hands on some secret sauce. I know what I see and the words I hear on the show…and yes, Hope is in love with and wants her life with Liam and her children. That’s been said over and over again by Hope. So go peddle your conspiracy theories someplace else.
DeleteThank you so much 👍
ReplyDeleteThank you Bob.
ReplyDeleteGood old Steffy knows who Hope is.
Poor Liam always believing in Hope. Eventually she'll reach out to Thomas just as Brooke did to catch Ridge every time. This will all break up the family again for sure.
Thank you Bob xxxx
ReplyDeleteLol. I could tell by the very small number of comments this definitely wasn’t a big gloat day for the FF’s!! 😂😂😂
ReplyDeleteOhhhhhh where do I begin….lol
So the only one daydreaming today was Thomas!! Over and over and over again about the “moment” he had with Hope. Looks like Thomas may be getting pulled in again. But that can’t possibly be the case, since HE’S A CHANGED MAN!! Right??? 😂😂 We can hope that his daydreams were simply him analyzing the moment he shared with Hope, and not him hoping that Hope may actually be his someday soon.
Hope told Liam just how much she loves him, their family and their life together!! Just as the LF’s know that she does! All this “she has grown out of her relationship with Liam” garbage is pure nonsense!!
And I loved that Thomas admitted to RJ that he has screwed up over and over and over again….in case anyone is still questioning why anyone (namely Liam) should trust him! I’m so glad RJ had that conversation with Thomas and got that all out in the open. I really like RJ !!
Then there’s shirtless Finn. 🙄🙄🙄 Gee, that almost never happens!! NOT!! Finn is taking over where shirtless Carter left off it seems. Lol
And I like how Steffy confirmed to Finn in today’s show that she genuinely thought everything was fine and she had no prior concerns over Hope and Thomas working together, since that is what she told Liam. Some have stated otherwise. Today was definitely a good day for the Logan fans!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Lynn 👏👏
DeleteHope was sexy and stunning
good to have RJ in her back reminding thomas that im your brother and her brother i love you both but i will protect her
But sure we will see a lot of people criticize him just because he is not not included in the gang 😂😂
Steffy and Finn’s scene was useless
She didn’t even told him what is really going on
But sure we got the msg if thomas went back to his old ways it will be hope‘s fault no his
hope gave a tiniest kind of a relief smile when she finished kissing liam and saw his face that's a + for today.
So neither of you saw Hope "daydreaming" about her hands in Thomas during her 'thank you for seeing ne' moment? It happened twice. And what about the look of worry on her face at the end after telling her husband that she will always put him first? Seems like Hope is saying the words but having a hard time believing it.
Delete@Mmysh So don't you think Hope flirting with Thomas is inappropriate, especially since she knows that Thomas is trying to get better?
DeleteI saw it once Elle, not 6 times like in Thomas’ daydreams. And the time Hope thought it at the very end of the episode was because she was ashamed of herself and thinking about that thing she had done which was not OK according to the Steffy beratement session!!!
DeleteMmysh, yes, Hope is definitely starting to come around and come out of the crazy spell she’s been under.
DeleteI'm hearing about a trip soon. Let's see just how much she's really out of the crazy spell.
DeleteThis time i didn’t see it as before
DeleteI see it with a worried look on her face
Before it was something else
But maybe we don’t have the right to read between the lines as you guys
And elle i guess what i said before more than once about hope being stupid and naive to think like that about thomas or any other man than her husband speaks volumes that i don’t see it right or inappropriate
For as i remember you said its hypocrisy to bash her while she is my favorite character i should support her no matter what
So what changed now
What kind of answer i should provide ??
But for thomas i don’t care that much about him
His sanity is his problem to keep himself on the right track not others
And hope should have boundaries for her sake not him, she has herself to worry about first
Something wrong with hope for sure but maybe she is not allowed to have issues like any human being
And Thomas in every episode he is assuring her and others he is fine and changed and even if she make a move he will say no and you guys said for sure he is absolutely right
Most of you was expecting that hope will make a move and he will turn her down
So according to that no one should be worried about any action from hope’s side right ??
Because it will effect thomas
Since his obsession is over completely
Or he is lying to himself or others
Or he is just saying the words but he doesn’t believe in it ??
and not long ago she always asks him how he feels about them working together, spending so much time together and the list goes on
And since she believes him and in him so why worry
He assured her he is doing absolutely fine, another person
And what she did the holding of the hands didn’t started as so called flirting
Its started as a an exciting moment about success but then she lost in it
(Not an excuse btw but a description for how i saw it )
She didn’t started it out of the blue with no reason just like she needed to touch his hands
There is something is not right going on with her and time will tell
I really want to be done with thomas drama its getting boring to be only about obsession and hope
Give the man a purpose a new storyline
Other that i don’t care much
Anyway still don’t know the point of your question since we talked about it before and you know i see it so wrong
But elle since you are patient about them and don’t want there relationship to start with cheating
DeleteWhy you are so excited about trip and really wishes for something major to happen between them ???
I'm not excited about a trip. I didn't even know about it. I was responding to Lynn who said that Hopw was coming out of her spell. Whatever trip is coming up, we'll see if that holds true.
DeleteYou said: "But sure we got the msg if thomas went back to his old ways it will be hope‘s fault no his"
DeleteSo my question was if you didn't think that Hope's actions with Thomas were inappropriate since she knows that he's trying to change?
Oh ok thanks elle for the clarification
DeleteIm sorry i didn’t understand why you asked that
But anyway
You got my answer
I must be missing alot. Lynn where did Elle say it happened 6 times? Please point that out to me and I'll check in the morning. And as far as the trip? I also didn't hear any talk of that on the show. Apparently it's on spoiler sites that I don't read so some of us know nothing about this upcoming trip.
DeleteYou also said that Thomas' sanity is his problem and that he has to keep himself on the right track, which he is doing. But when Sheila gave Brooke wine to drink knowing that Brooke is an alcoholic, Sheila was blamed. So why can't Hope be blamed if she knows Thomas is trying to stay on the right track, yet she continues to flirt with him?
DeleteLol D. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Delete🥱 Elle have a good night, and good luck.
DeleteD - I didn’t say Elle said Thomas had the daydream 6 times. That was a statement I made as a result of watching today’s episode. I guessed on the number…it may have been only 5 times. I didn’t actually count. Just saw him reliving the hand holding incident in his mind multiple times today. And oh by the way, he also had the thought in his mind on yesterday’s episode….once or twice. So all total in the last couple of episodes..,Thomas has envisioned it 6 times for sure!! Lol
DeleteElle, Hope doesn’t think she is flirting with him. She was genuinely hurt (teary eyed) when Steffy berated her in yesterday’s episode. Hope doesn’t see how her actions are being perceived. And she knows how much she loves Liam, so she’s literally taken back by all this. If she were intentionally flirting, then yes….she could be blamed. But she isn’t.
DeleteMaybe she wasn't flirting but she still shouldn't be saying "thank goodness for you, thank you for seeing me" to the man who has been obsessed with her and who is now trying to get over that obsession and be in a better and healthier place. What if Thomas does get obsessed with her again? It's she going to play all innocent?
DeleteI absolutely agree Hope should not have said those words. See how easy it is when we can admit our favs didn’t handle things the right way…easy peezy!!! 😬😬😬
DeleteGive it a try!!!
Hope is still very naive. That’s actually the one thing that bugs me about her. She needs to not be so gullible. I like her ability to see the best in things. But sometimes it comes across as the behavior of a child. Not an adult.
DeleteI consider myself to be pretty objective with my faves. Yesterday, I said that Steffy was wrong for telling Hope that she was becoming her mother. Easy peezy, Lynn. 😁
DeleteWere you also one of the ones who applauded the way Steffy yelled at Hope in a complete and total demeaning fashion ? Or was that BBFAN???
DeleteLynn I also said that Steffy should not have thrown Brooke in Hope’s face. I said I could understand her rationale but it was unkind. Thank you for once again making me the baddie here 😂 .
DeleteElle the sheila thing you mentioned is not related at all
DeleteShe is the only one is blamed here
According to your example i should have blamed brook for provoking sheila
And and sheila is not trying to work on herself like thomas
And yes hope should be careful with thomas but her intentions wasn’t to flirt
Yes she got lost in the moment because she herself is having something it isn’t normal
So thomas is responsible to keep himself on check but sure others should help him including hope
What she did was wrong and not calculated from her side
She should pay more attention for her sake first and for him
Elle you do realize that Brooke didn't know what she was drinking right? 😅 if Thomas was being manipulated by Hope through vodoo or magic I'd see the parallel but otherwise I beg of you...
DeleteYou lost the point, M. The point wasn't about whether or not Brooke knew she was drinking wine, it was that she drank alcohol which was given to her by Sheila WHO KNEW that Brooke is a recovering alcoholic.
DeleteBrooke had been doing her due diligence by staying alcohol-free, going to AA etc. just like Thomas is doing his due diligence in keeping up with his therapy and focusing on his designing for HFTF. Sheila gave Brooke alcohol and she was blamed for Brooke falling off the wagon, and rightfully so.
Now, here we have Hope getting up close and personal with Thomas even though SHE KNOWS Thomas is trying his best to not be the obsessive compulsive person he was. Mmysh suggested in her initial comment that Hope should not be blamed. Why not? Thomas is trying to do better and Hope is sending mixed signals.
Hope is not doing anything intentionally to make thomas go back to his obsession or trying to take advantage and using it against him
DeleteSo no its not like what sheila did taking advantage of brook‘s condition with brook knowledge and using it against her
Thomas’s and brook‘s condition is the same
So brook is the one who is responsible about stay out of alcohol not others
So if someone offered its on her to say no and not take it
For example when hope encouraged thomas to keep using the mannequin back in the day that was absolutely wrong of her she wasn’t helping
But now its totally different
So you are maybe trying to say it’s hypocrisy which is not
It’s totally different situations
According to your perspective hope should never agree to hire him back
Which you don’t see it wrong
Asking him all the time how he feels and how he is doing is actually caring about his process
And if hope was doing something will make thomas lose everything he worked for i guess he should tell her that these things are effecting me
As Taylor said now he is able to know what are the things that provoke his impulses and he is able to adress them the right way
As i said which it seems you keep maybe ignoring she should be careful not only for her sake but also for him
Yes of course Sheila is blamed because Brooke didn't know what she was taking. She had no way of removing herself, no way to avoid a one-time fatal attack on her sobriety, no way to know it was in danger. Thomas is in a process, this process is being monitored by a professional and his family and they should steer him away. He himself obviously feels he's slipping back into thoughts of Hope. He has thousands of time more control on his situation and of course the main responsibility over it. And the biggest difference like Mmysh pointed out - Sheila is to be blamed because she was acting maliciously. Hope is not targeting him. Should she avoid it? Of course. For him, for herself and for her marriage. But blamed parallelly to Sheila? No way.
DeleteExactly milla thank you
DeleteBut i guess its not about comparing sheila to hope
Its about my point of view being hypocritical that i blamed sheila and here hope is not to be blamed
Its ok of course elke has the right to think that and on my part out of respect for elle and what i think i guess i explain ed it very well
There is no comparison between the tow events at all in the end
And back all the sheila discussion was about some posters was cheering for sheila when her malicious actions was against brook but when it’s against steffy oh she is a witch
Mmysh, I never said you were a hypocrite. That's your word, not mine.
DeleteYou said that people will start blaming Hope if Thomas falls back into old patterns. I simply asked why shouldn't she be blamed?
Thomas IS doing the work that y'all said he needs to be responsible for. He's in therapy and keeping his focus on work. And after what Hope said to him, he backed away from her, excused himself and left the room.
Now, he's thinking about what happened and already, y'all are saying that he has gone back to fantasizing about Hope. So what brought that on? Wasn't it Hope?
Btw, me bringing up the Sheila/Brooke comparison to Thomas/Hope was only to support my argument. It was not to say that you were a hypocrite.
DeleteSorry elle the way you formulate the question suggesting that
DeleteAnd as i said even saying it directly it will be ok also you have the right to wonder and i half the right to explain
And no blaming sheila and not hope is not hypocritical
And actually i didn’t mean the people as viewers
I meant steffy and his family
He is not fantasizing he just thinking about what happened and try to analyze it and that’s what Taylor talked about
And still what hope did caused that but still she didn’t do it intentionally
I guess this partnership is effecting both of them in a negative way
So it was wrong from the beginning
And steffy took her brother’s word that he can handle it
But it seems now she knows that hope maybe can’t and will jeopardize thomas’s process so she should stop it
All I'm saying is that Thomas has a bigger responsibility to his wellbeing than Hope has to his wellbeing. Yes he's doing the work and seems to be reacting adequately to temptations. He also proactively pointed out if she threw himself at him he'd say no. I still believe no professional shrink would be supportive of him working closely to the object of his obsession so soon into treatment and his mom the shrink should know that too. Here I see a plothole that wasn't explained. Yes he's changing but do they have to make it so hard for him to do so?
DeleteExactly milla
DeleteIf steffy want him to be back at HFTF
since she is not the shrink here
Taylor should forbid it
In any therapy process they took the factor of the addiction or obsession
What they did is like someone who has an addiction on pain killers but then let him work in packing the bill’s for example just because he said he will not take any
Steffy should have support her brother
And let him back in the company is really helping but he shouldn’t be close to hope
He can design in other department or revive taboo for example
So according to see how therapy supposed to work
I agree with you its so early for him to be close to hope
Mmysh, based on what Steffy saw, she said that she will be keeping a close eye on Hope. I can't remember if anything was said in the show about stopping Thomas and Hope working together, but I gather, based on Steffy saying that she will be watching Hope, that Steffy will make a decision whether or not to keep them working together if she sees anything more of what she saw the other day. Whether that means pausing the line again, I don't know.
DeleteExactly elle thats what i mean
DeleteAnd no no one said anything about stopping them working together
My point above that steffy is not the expert to know that since she is not the psychiatrist her
But sure Taylor should have another opinion
Hope will like it or not
That shouldn’t be their concern
Even his therapist should have said something that the exposure on his obsession factor is dangerous
So maybe steffy should do something about it
BBBFAN, I’m not making you the “baddie” as you say. I simply used you as another example of a FF that failed to call out Steffy for her attack on Hope. It wasn’t just that the comparison to Brooke was untrue and uncalled for, but Steffy’s total demeanor / tone / raised voice / condescension…just everything about Steffy’s approach was uncalled for. That could have been handled soooooo differently!! But then that would take away from the snarky bitch that Steffy really is. Doesn’t mean you should applaud it!
DeleteLynn of you had bother to read my other posts that day, you would see I didn’t condone the tone Steffy took and her throwing Brooke in Hope’s face. I only defended her right he concerned based on what she saw!!
DeleteYou do realise that for Steffy it’s more than just Thomas and Forrester, right?? Her daughter Kelly would be hurt if her father’s marriage breaks up. Hope is her step mum and Beth her sister so Steffy is well aware it affects the bairns.
Oh and Liam DOES trust Hope’s love and commitment to him. Just like he has told EVERYONE multiple times. And just like he told Hope again today. He doesn’t trust Thomas and he doesn’t always trust that Hope will see people for who they really truly are because of extremely forgiving nature. But he absolutely trusts Hope’s commitment to him!
ReplyDelete*because of Hope’s extremely forgiving nature.
DeleteThat was another clue today, Lynn. Just recently, Wyatt told Liam that he should not bring up Thomas' name when he's with Hope. But Liam couldn't help himself. He brought up Thomas again as Hope was trying to have a romantic evening with him and what did it lead to? Hope fantasizing about Thomas. Let's see how long this marriage can withstand Liam constantly bringing up Thomas. And not in a good way, I might add.
DeleteI don’t see the “clues” coming to fruition, Elle. Just like I pointed out in another comment where you said “Steffy has known all along.” No she hasn’t. Steffy was completely SHOCKED by what she thought she saw yesterday and told Hope and Finn that very thing in yesterday’s and today’s episodes. She wouldn’t have acted shocked if she suspected it the whole time. And she wouldn’t have told Hope what she told her or told Finn what she told Finn if “she knew all along.” Steffy was completely taken back!
DeleteAnd newsflash - if Hope dumps Liam for bringing up Thomas then she would be a huge hypocrite given the random thoughts and recent Steffy attack she just endured. Liam has EVERY RIGHT to keep bringing it up.
DeleteLiam does not have every right to bring it up. He hasn't made any effort to see if Thomas has really changed like everyone says he has. He came to see Thomas once and did not believe a word he said. Liam has no basis for his constant negativity about Thomas. If he had been seeing signs of misbehavior towards Hope from Thomas, then I would agree that he has a right to raise his concerns with Hope. But his constant baseless accusations about Thomas is going to drive Hope away. Hope wouldn't dump Liam for bringing up Thomas, she would dump him because she fell out of love with him due to his constant and overbearing insecurities.
DeleteDon’t confuse concern with negativity. Liam is concerned. And yes, Liam has every right to be skeptical. Thomas admitted as much to RJ today. Just because Thomas says he has changed doesn’t mean Liam shouldn’t be vigilant. Like I’ve said before - if this were reversed and it was Finn and Steffy we were talking about we would all be hearing what a loving, adoring and caring husband Finn is for being protective of Steffy. But simply because it’s Liam you ladies think your claws coming out against Liam are justified. Well I call you out on that! That’s total complete bull!!! Liam has every right in the world to be skeptical…and rightfully so according to the FF’s in terms of what you think is really going on. Liam has been EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING!! Did you happen to hear Hope mention all the late nights and ridiculously long days she puts in with Thomas all the time?? Or did you conveniently not hear that part.?? As I said, Liam is over the top understanding if you ask me!! My husband would never accept what Liam has been made to accept. So quit making Liam the villain! He absolutely is NOT the villain here!! He has gone above and beyond in his support for Hope!!
DeleteAnd Hope is not going to dump Liam for any reason. Hope is in love with Liam and zero dumping will occur!!
DeleteAgain Lynn is spot on. All the Liam hate is ridiculous and sooo transparent that it's equally sad and funny. Liam and Hope are in no conflict whatsoever. He is showing tremendous patience, care and love for her. She is showing effort and going the extra mile to show him he's her priority. If that's what people see as outgrowing each other, then I feel sad for them. That's what I wish to every woman out there who doesn't have it.
DeleteMilla I have an incredibly supportive and loving husband and I give him the same.
DeleteWe are talking about a soap with an abysmal writing team here. I say Hope outgrew Liam because she literally had a teenage crush. Her mum convinced her he was her “destiny” and I feel like Hope never got the chance to have a real relationship. From the very beginning there has been a massive power imbalance in their relationship. Liam has always treated Hope like a child, one he must tell what to do because he knows best.
Hope has been pressured to stay with a man who cheats on her. Who readily and happily believed she cheated on him and didn’t have the respect to come to her and give her a chance to explain.
Liam and Wyatt had a conversation in the last couple months when he talked about HFTF like it was Hope’s hobby. He failed to recognize how much Hope’s self identity is integrally tied to her line.
Hope has really started coming into her own. She is growing and maturing as a person. She’s not a teenager anymore.
So yes I think she has outgrown being with the older man who made her feel grownup. Her Prince Charming is just a fella and she doesn’t need him to think for her anymore.
Hope has always allowed her mum and Liam to do her thinking for her. Good on her for standing up for what she wanted and needed for a change.
Bbfan I think we have a different viewpoint. To me it always looked like: teenage Hope fell in love with and wanted Liam so Brooke supported her (at times even pushed without much regard for others; but that's what those mommies do - Stephanie was the same, Jackie M was the same, Taylor was/is the same, not to mention Quinn). To you it looks like Brooke pushed Liam onto teenage Hope so she went with it, being unable to decide for herself. I still maintain that my version is what has been shown to us because I haven't ever seen a situation where Hope has questioned why she's with Liam or blamed Brooke for anything related to their relationship. She was always shown to want him, especially in recent years she went through hell and still their relationship didn't break down no matter who from the Forrester children tried what.
DeleteLiam has said plenty of times how he supports what the line means to Hope. He doesn't need to be that mentally involved to go on and on about identify to be a good husband. Is Finn saying anything more in-depth to Steffy other than my sexy force of nature? Plus, by being understanding and supportive of her late hours, plus appreciative of the night she did carve out despite the work pressure, is how he shows most his support.
I actually can't believe I have to spell this out, it's so obvious and I'm not saying anything that I'm interpreting but only what's right in front of all of our eyes.
Good Lord what a wall, Milla 🤦🏻♀️🙈🤣
Delete@Lynn So now that you've changed what you previously said about Liam having every right to bring it up to Liam having every right to be skeptical, I will agree with you here. His skepticism isn't baseless given Thomas' history with Hope. However, he isn't even trying to make an effort to alleviate that skepticism, to see if his wife, ex-wife, ex-mother-in-law and Thomas himself, are right about Thomas' progress.
DeleteLiam should try interacting with Thomas more (his wife co-parents a child with him) to see if there is credibility to what everyone is saying. But as long as he keeps his distance and continues to judge Thomas based on his past, Liam will not get any accolades from me for being a supportive husband because he is not. He keeps forcing his insecurities on his wife and that will not end well, especially with Hope trying her best to make Liam feel like he's her number one. His constant Thomas woes will make her feel like her efforts are for nothing.
"Again Lynn is spot on. All the Liam hate is ridiculous and sooo transparent that it's equally sad and funny. Liam and Hope are in no conflict whatsoever. He is showing tremendous patience, care and love for her. She is showing effort and going the extra mile to show him he's her priority. If that's what people see as outgrowing each other, then I feel sad for them. That's what I wish to every woman out there who doesn't have it."
DeleteMilla, this sounds real good and all but, you're forgetting a key component here. Hope has feelings for Thomas. And you have to factor in that because it is driving ALL of Hope's actions right now. Hope is in conflict with herself and it WILL spill over into her marriage if she doesn't get a grip soon.
BBFan, Brava 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteEverything you said ties directly into what Hope told Thomas recently: "Thank goodness for you! Thank you for seeing me." People are refusing to see what Hope meant when she said that to Thomas because they prefer to ignore it or brush it to the side. Hope's whole demeanor and the way she choked up when she said it shows that it was not some random thing she said to Thomas. It came from deep inside and showed a heartfelt sense of appreciation for Thomas. It was also in direct contrast to what she gets from Liam and Brooke who always want her to do what they want her to do, or think how they would think.
Elle I'm not forgetting Hope's crush, it's not possible since we see evidence of it so much. But to me that won't end her marriage because she doesn't want it to end. I hope she does get a grip.
Delete@Milla "my sexy force of nature" 🤭🤭
DeleteI don't believe BBFan is saying that Hope never loved Liam or felt pushed/forced into a relationship with him. She is saying that it was a teenage love which started with Brooke telling her what to do and how she should feel, even when Liam was unfaithful. Within the marriage, it was then Liam telling her what to do and how she should feel.
Now that she has matured and is experiencing something different from another man, it is probably giving her feelings of unfulfilment in her marriage.
And btw, you don't have to spell anything out. You have your opinion and others have theirs.
The reason we "ignore" wild interpretations like "It came from deep inside and showed a heartfelt sense of appreciation for Thomas. It was also in direct contrast to what she gets from Liam and Brooke who always want her to do what they want her to do, or think how they would think." is because nothing like this has been thematized on the show. We look at what is shown and listen to what is said. I have never seen Hope blame Brooke or Liam for treating her like a child or saying anything of what I just quoted. When she says something like this, then the interpretation will be confirmed but so far it is just yours FFs.
DeleteHahah Elle it's what Finn called her, no? 😅 it was definitely something along those lines.
DeleteI definitely don't agree anything started with Brooke where Liam and Hope are concerned. Hope met a cute IT support guy and fell in love with him. Like I said Brooke pushed them together like any other BB momma, but that's not the reason they stayed together. Or was Stephanie the reason Ridge stayed with Taylor? That, actually, has been thematized in these exact same words and even by Taylor herself. She said that Ridge couldn't escape his mother's "apron strings" and stayed with the woman she approved.
Milla She loved wayyat btw and when she chose him over liam
DeleteAnd there was oliver so liam wasn’t the only man in her life
And she wasn’t like 16 when she starts dating liam
She was an adult
When she married wayyat Brook didn’t tried to push her back to liam
When she arranged a party for hope and wayyat and liam came
She asked him to respect hope’s marriage and her choice
What brook did was always supporting hope’s decisions
Sure she gave her point of view about the situations hope faced
And sometimes those advices was wrong
But she never pushed hope or pressured her not to do what she feels is the right thing
Agreed Mmysh. Brooke pushes Hope towards what Hope is making it clear she wants at the particular moment. I believe everyone has a free will where a relationship is concerned and putting so much power on the MIL is inconvincing. Same as when Liam married Hope when pregnant with Beth. Brooke is not some blonde soap opera overlord who can make him do things despite how he feels. It's his decision.
DeleteYes milla
DeleteSo if we want to read and analyze things the way our friends here are doing
Can we say that steffy never really loved liam
For her he was only a logen women man and she must have him
And Taylor encouraging her to go after him while liam was in serious relationship then engaged just because she wants to have some revenge at brook through their daughters
(PS i don’t think that im sure steffy loved liam truly and he did loved her)
But when i see how people love to read so much through things that didn’t happened it makes say wow 😂)
Not everything one wants is good for them. As mother, Brooke should know that. Especially when she continues to see Liam emotionally abuse her daughter the way he has over the years. Brooke planned a wedding behind Hope's and Liam's back then watched her daughter get hurt by Liam when he chose to stay with Steffy and their baby. Why would any mother continue to push their daughter onto a man who clearly has no respect for her daughter's feelings? That is beyond me.
DeleteThat's so not relevant. Brooke isn't even part of this topic which is Hope's current commitment to Liam who currently is a fantastic husband. Hope has and has always had the responsibility and right to her love life, no one else. And she chose Liam and he her. Over and over. I believe that they are end game, even if they get thrown some punches.
DeleteI think all of them doing that elle
DeleteEven Taylor encouraging steffy to go after liam
Or telling her to take advantage of hope’s grief when she pushed liam towards steffy
Also wrong for so many reasons
But i admire steffy back then for not listening to Taylor and how they should be more sensitive to hope
@Milla "Brooke pushes Hope towards what Hope is making it clear she wants at the particular moment."
DeleteI was only responding to what you said, which is relevant to the discussion. We were talking about Liam and Hope's marriage and how Hope has outgrown Liam due to the fact that her love for Liam was always based on Brooke's insistence that she be with him. You responded that all the mothers did that (Stephanie, Taylor etc.)
And Mmysh, while all the mothers may have fought for or insisted that their children be with a specific individual, Brooke is the only one who continually (mentally) manipulated her daughter to stay with a man who walked all over her. Liam did it to both Hope and Steffy, which was why a lot of Steam fans (like myself) jumped ship. Who would support a man like Liam emotionally abusing their fave character over and over again (except for Lope shippers)? Liam ain't all that.
Liam now is not that man anymore
DeleteThe things you are saying you see
I don’t see them
If i was in liam’s shoe i will not trust thomas either especially not in a few months while every time in the thomas proves that liam is right
And no Taylor is as much as you just described brook
When they thought finn is dead Taylor has no issues for liam to be reunited with her daughter again
Although she knows the history and her daughter is not his first choice
And brook never manipulate hope to stay with liam
In her opinion hope should forgive liam and don’t break her family
It was like discussion and exchange of points of view not a mind game
And sure if hope chose to leave him brook will support her decision
If brook only wants hope to be with liam no matter what i guess what she did insisting in liam to tell hope the truth about what happened in italy and if he didn’t she will just proves the opposite of what you said
Yes she wanted her daughter to be with but she never manipulated her to do so
Elle you’re the one that brings up outgrown marriages and a wild theory of Brooke’s blame for Hope being with Liam, something that has never been thematized in any way *on* the show. I'm actually done discussing someone's interpretations anymore because I think I showed clearly that I'm interested in what my eyes see, not in theorizing. If there is anything actually happening and being shown as relevant for the characters I'll discuss but these other perceived levels to me are way too spacey and self-serving.
DeleteElle, I am not changing my position on anything. Liam has every right to bring it up when it’s bothering him and be skeptical…all at the same time. It’s not a one or the other proposition.
DeleteIt really cracks me up that you think Liam should be making the effort to see if Thomas has really changed and if what Steffy, Taylor and even Hope is saying about Thomas is true. Wasn’t it you Elle, who told the LF’s that Ridge had every right in the world to insist that Brooke had no interaction with Deacon (his arch nemesis) as you put it. And it was perfectly reasonable that Deacon was not allowed on the property even to visit Hope, his daughter because of Ridge’s deep feelings (hatred) of Deacon. Yet, here we are a year later and the tables have turned. And now you are blaming Liam for not wanting to find out for himself if Thomas has changed??!!! Not ain’t that a kick in the pants!!??!!! I’m gonna use that word you hate so much because it absolutely applies here. That is total hypocrisy, Elle! If anything, Thomas should be trying to make good with Liam whom he has stabbed in the back too many times to even count. Why should Liam make the effort?? Especially when you justified Ridge’s distain for Deacon and backed Ridge’s every move on Ridge exiling Deacon from the property. Deacon had “changed” so why wasn’t it on Ridge to see that he had?? Do you see my point here, Elle???
Elle, I am not changing my position on anything. Liam has every right to be skeptical and every right to bring it up if something is concerning him. He has every right!
DeleteAnd I find it extremely funny that you think it’s on Liam to see if Thomas has really changed like Taylor, Steffy and even Hope have stated. Why in the world would you assume it’s on Liam to make that effort? The person who needs to be proving himself to Liam is Thomas, not the other way around.
Let’s take a walk down memory lane for a minute…
Wasn’t it you and the other FF’s who said Ridge that has every right to ban Deacon from the family home and demand that Brooke not interact with Deacon (who by the way….HAD CHANGED) because Deacon was Ridge’s arch nemesis as you put it. You felt that Ridge was perfectly within his rights to tell Hope that Deacon (who was a reformed man) was not welcome in Hope’s home. You were 100% backing Ridge because of his intense hate for Deacon.
But now the tables have turned and you are singing a different tune when it comes to Thomas who is Liam’s arch nemesis. So much so in fact…that you think Liam needs to completely get over it and beyond that, Liam needs to make the effort to see if Thomas has really changed! 😂😂😂. Sorry, but I find that very hypocritical and ridiculous!! If anything it’s all on Thomas to prove himself to Liam and everyone else for that matter. Then at that point, Liam can decide for himself. And even then Liam has every right to be cautious and on guard when it comes to Thomas who will most likely revert back to his old ways. As Liam has said multiple times, it’s not a matter of “if”, it’s simply a matter of “when” Thomas will revert back.
Lynn, I'm now convinced that you have me confused with someone else because you always claim that I've said things I never said.
Delete1. I never said that Ridge should ban Deacon from the home and have no interaction with Brooke. I said over and over that Brooke was wrong for telling Ridge that this was HER house and Deacon was always welcomed there. She knew how Ridge felt about him.
2. I also never said that Ridge was within his rights to ban Deacon from coming to the house to see Hope. I expressly stated that Deacon didn't have to pass through Brooke's home to get to the cabin.
3. I was not 100% backing Ridge. I was 100% backing Deacon to be with Brooke.
Lynn, I know you have a strong desire to always be right but please don't go making things up that I never said just to support your utterances.
"If anything it’s all on Thomas to prove himself to Liam..."
DeleteThomas has been proving himself to everyone but how can he prove himself to Liam if Liam refuses to interact with him instead of standing on the outside judging him? You only proved my point. Liam isn't making any effort whatsoever in order to "decide for himself. "
Elle, correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it you who attributed Brooke‘s marriage troubles to her siding with Deacon after the beating from Ridge and that she should actually not have contact with him if Ridge means so much to her, she should prioritize her husband. So I can see where Lynn is coming from. It’s still the same problematic but with a different culprit (Brooke and not Ridge). Or I may be wrong in how I remember it.
DeleteSo let me get his straight, Liam the serial cheat is “not that man anymore “ and is a model husband. Steffy who cheated one while married and once in a boyfriend of a few months is a slut??
DeleteShe hasn’t. Done anything in literally YEARS and yet she’s called nasty names. Misogynistic much???
Milla, yes, I did say that Brooke's marriage troubles were on account of her going against her husband's wishes where Deacon was concerned. However, I was fully supportive of Brooke being with Deacon. I was not supporting Ridge. I was even attacked for wanting Brooke with an ex-convict and said that it was because of my hatred for Brooke, and I had to explain that Deacon had changed and that he loves Brooke unconditionally and that is why I wanted them together.
DeleteI did not say any of the things that Lynn said that I said. There isn't even a close implication in what I said that may have led to what Lynn stated.
I understand Elle no worries. But there is some sort of parallel - Ridge and Liam, Brooke and Hope, Deacon and Thomas. I understand you're on the side of Deacon/Thomas in both cases.
DeleteBBFan the attitude to Steffy will always be the same as long as she's a hypocrite. I've said it till I'm blue in the fingertips - it's not about her past behavior, it's about her current attitude towards someone she's not better than.
DeleteThanks M.
DeleteWhere Steffy is concerned, the same can be said about Liam since, even though he is changed, he stands in judgement of Thomas who has never betrayed Hope the way Liam has. Thomas may have been obsessed but we know that's due to some mental instability. However, his one constant has always been his love for Hope, and Liam has no business bad-mouthing Thomas the way he does since he is not better. Obsessed - Cheater... same beast, different poison.
Thomas can't have betrayed Hope in an identical way because they were never involved in the same way with the same requirements that come with the relationship. Liam has every right to bad mouth him because Thomas hurt *him* as much as Hope. He's not just looking out for her. He has his own multiple traumas directly related with Thomas. Very few people here can to put themselves even for 2 seconds in his shoes because it's terrifying to even imagine it all. Living it is hell.
DeletePlus like I've said multiple times, nothing of what anyone has done puts the focus away from Steffy or excuses her behavior. You guys like to try it with bringing up other people, but as long as Steffy keeps acting the way she's acting, her hypocrisy will never remain not addressed and in focus.
DeleteHope is just using Liam to get Thomas out of her mind that’s stupid , she’s a stupid bitch for doing that to Liam ,
ReplyDeleteI see it as more of her trying to rekindle something that has clearly been lost from their marriage. But it's much too late for that now. Hope has been putting distance between her and Liam ever since the HFTF launch last year.
DeleteShe doesn’t love Liam at all she made love with him and she still thinking bout Thomas what kind of love is that , wake up hope and stop using Liam , she’s just a user and steffy was right hope is gonna be like her home exactly right 100% right
DeleteOh PLEEEEAAASSSE! She was NOT thinking about Thomas. You are living in fantasy land.
DeleteThey showed Hope thinking about Thomas. What do you mean she wasn't thinking about him? Hope slept with her husband and, in the aftermath, her thoughts were on another man - Thomas.
DeleteOK here we go with the famous FF twisting of events. The Elle pretzel trick. Lol
DeleteNo, Elle, not what happened. They were DONE making love. They were cuddled up on the couch together just snuggling and the hand hold thing that was still fresh in Hope’s mind from the recent Steffy pit-bull attack popped into her mind. Did you see the look on Hope’s face when it popped into her mind? She looked disgusted and upset. She is still reeling from the Steffy attack and the implications of what Steffy said. If you want to focus on that daydream, then let’s talk about the 6 times that Thomas thought about it!! That’s what we should be analyzing!!! He is obsessing again. And let the games begin!!! 🤣🤣🤣
And before you go correcting me - I see you said “in the aftermath.” So we agree. There was no Hope fantasy or otherwise during sex with her husband. I know that’s sooooo disappointing to you ladies.
DeleteSo in the end the Steffy smackdown will end up a positive thing, I have to admit I didn't see it this way at first saying that she should talk like a normal person. But if she managed to verbally slap Hope out of the craziness, then good for Steffy 🤣
DeleteBecause indeed Lynn, Hope was thinking about Steffy as much as she was thinking about Thomas at that time 😂 I also definitely see it more as a guilty/terrified state than a sexy one.
That’s a good point, Milla. Maybe some good will come from the verbal lashing that Steffy gave Hope. Whatever it takes to snap Hope the heck out of her trance needs to happen soon. This is dragging on way too long.
DeleteHope is clearly making an effort to be with Liam to combat her feelings for Thomas. I still think she would be better served by talking it out with her mum or a mate. Hiding from it won’t fix it.
DeleteBBFan nobody has mates there (unless you count Paris but... no 😅) and Brooke doesn't want to face the possibility of Hope having feelings for Thomas so isn't the best confidant. Maybe she can talk with Deacon. I have no idea how these people can live without friends 🙈
DeleteMilla i was thinking the same
DeleteNo one has friends 😂
It was vinny maybe but the poor guy is gone
And maybe brook can help hope but as you said maybe she is not the best option i don’t think she can be neutral
Maybe donna coz deacon is good choice but also he may get overprotective
A therapist would be best an expert with no relation to anyone involved
Sure not giggles 🤭
Omigosh Lynn, noone said that Hope was thinking of Thomas during their lovemaking. Where did you get that? And of course she got disgusted remembering what Steffy said to her. She felt disgusted with herself at the thought of becoming like her mother and she was upset because even though she just made torrid love to her husband, her mind still keeps wandering.
DeleteThomas is not obsessing, he's trying to figure out what's up with Hope. Unlike in the past, Thomas is not making up a scenario in his mind about Hope, he is remembering (not fantasizing) a moment shared between them in which Hope gave him a big come on.
Elle, you literally wrote this just a few comments above!!
Delete“They showed Hope thinking about Thomas. What do you mean she wasn't thinking about him? Hope slept with her husband and, in the aftermath, her thoughts were on another man - Thomas.”
So don’t act all indignant about what I said like I pulled it out of thin air. After all, wasn’t it just the last time Hope and Liam were intimate that all you FF’s were on a mission to point out how Hope had been fantasizing about Thomas when she was making love to Liam. 😂😂😂😂
And I already admitted above that I missed your “aftermath” comment within your comment until I reread it. Nonetheless, Hope’s recollection of that event is no more or less contrived than Thomas’ recollection which he has relived in his mind about 6 different times as I keep pointing out! Why is he thinking about it so much you may want to ask yourself. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I can see once or twice. But MULTIPLE TIMES…there is definitely something going on there with Thomas!!
And Hope’s mind isn’t “wandering”. It’s one afterthought. Don’t try to make it into something it isn’t. And there was literally zero indication that Hope was thinking about the hand holding moment in relation to her turning into her mother. There we go again, making stuff up!!! 🙄🙄🙄
Yes Lynn, I said in the aftermath, as in after sex, not during sex. 🤦🏻♀️
DeleteYou did pull it out of thin air because noone said anything about Hope thinking about Thomas during sex. But yes, you did correct your error.
I don't have to ask myself why Thomas keeps thinking about Hope flirting with him. It's because he is having a hard time believing it. I think though that you may want to ask yourself why married Hope is thinking about another man on top of her while her husband is making love to her and then again after she has made love to her husband. That's the real question.
Hope's mind indeed wandered from her husband to Thomas twice, not once. The second time, which was when she had the look of disgust (according to you) on her face was when she thought about Steffy saying that she was becoming her mother.
Steffy should really learn from her brother RJ
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the fact that RJ was able to express his disappointment to Thomas with class, a calm tone and compassion.
He basically proved that confronting someone can be done without being nasty.
Another thing is that RJ was confronting Thomas about way worse stuff than "holding hands with someone" and yet he was able to not act like a bully. No yelling, no smug face, no laughing in Thomas's face, no humiliating or throwing Thomas's mom into it, steffy has the right to express her anger but it's possible to do it like a civilized person but anyway way at the end steffy just reflects her own qualities I am not sure what the future will bring for this character, but by now he seems to be a really nice guy with class.
And there is bounce scene i saw in social media
Itcwas nice don’t know why the cut it
🤣🤣🤣🤣 yes the same can be said about having a different opinion than someone else. Don't be nasty. I'm sure I'll hear about this comment.
DeleteI think you misunderstood the dynamics of these 2 pairings. RJ was not at all confrontational. He was having a discussion with his brother who he applauded for the changes he is making in his life. There was no need for RJ to confront Thomas because he had already heard about the changes Thomas was making.
DeleteSteffy saw Hope doing something she never thought she would see her do, and which can cause Thomas to revert to old patterns. This took her by surprise and she became angry, hence the confrontation.
Wait a minute..,,hold the phone, Elle! You just admitted Steffy saw Hope do something she never thought she would see Hope do!! But just 5 minutes ago we heard how “Steffy has known all along.” You are making my head spin with your contradictions. Lol!!!
DeleteLynn, please point to where I said Steffy knew all along so that I can get to the bottom of this.
DeleteIn your “clues” comment from yesterday when Taylor told Liam that Steffy was always right. And Steffy has known all along. That she was spot on about Hope's feelings for Thomas.
DeleteIf I may, I think Elle meant it this way:
DeleteTaylor says Steffy is always right + Steffy says Hope has feelings for Thomas (and as WE saw she has for some time now) = Steffy was spot on, as in she guessed right
But to Lynn it came out as in:
Taylor says Steffy is always right + Steffy says Hope has feelings for Thomas AND she knew all along Hope has for some time now = Steffy was spot on, as in she has known forever.
Milla, thank you for taking the time to decode that. 😊. I think you are absolutely correct on the different interpretations.
DeleteLynn 🤗❤️
DeleteMilla spot on!
DeleteNo elle he was as i said
DeleteBut sure you see it
He already heard about the changes he made
What is that supposed to mean or have to do with the conversation
D what your comment supposed to mean exactly
DeleteAs usual just seek attention
No worthy no added value
Please im ignoring you all the time
Just don’t reply to my comments
Your comment has nothing to do with idea of what i wrote
I think i know why
Take care
And elle since there was im sorry
DeleteAnd look i thought i did that for this and that and i promise this will never happen again
You have my word blah blah
So yeah its a confrontation not a discussion
But RJ he handled it very well with class and being nice so it looked like a discussion
Milla that was an excellent correct interpretation.
DeleteThanks Milla! 😊 🤗
DeleteAs Harry Potter would say - "correcto facto!" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Don't mind me. Just my poor attempt at humor.
@Mmysh Confrontation is something completely different. Now if you say RJ called Thomas out on some of his past actions, that I will agree with.
DeleteI don’t see the difference
DeleteBut sure i agree if that term is better using here elle
Thanks
Hahah Elle it's not poor I love it 😀🤗🤗
DeleteIt was an extension between the brothers
ReplyDeleteWho does rj think he is lecturing his older brother. Steffy needs to stop hounding hope about Thomas. Hope maybe Liam is open to a threesome with Thomas.
ReplyDeleteIf people can’t see that hope is using Liam cause she’s thinking bout Thomas then u better stop watching the show , cause you all know nothing , it’s right there in front of your very eyes what hope is going to Liam and none of you can’t see it , WOW. open ur eyes everybody , PLEASE
ReplyDeleteWhat hope is doing to Liam I meant cmon people open ur eyes
ReplyDeleteLiam should figure his side and put things in order
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