The Bold and the Beautiful 7-5-23 Full episode B&B 5th July 2023
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Hope says "RJ Liam's gone." Rj should say. I'll break the tie and marry me. Here's your chance Hope! Let Liam be a lap dog for Steffy. She will tire of him around the same time Thomas makes some mistake, and you can switch back. All the unforgivable stuff gets forgotten when someone has a moment of breaking up and the the prospect of being single is the worst thing that happens to these guys (For moments only.) Someone is always available to to get together with. Steffy's not wearing the pads today. HMMM.
ReplyDeletePads??? She’s like 6-7 months pregnant IRL!!!
DeleteAnd looks stunning.
DeleteLet me see...Lism kisses Steffy not once but twice( like she should be thrilled ??) and Hope transgresses once with immense regret and oops...Liam has none.
ReplyDeleteHis moral compass is clearly screwed up. And like Brooke & Ridge have never been there before 😂😂🤣 And Thomas is clearly taking the high road..
Agree! So why is Liam so offended and so so so hurt? As you say: He has aldready turned to Steffy in a romantic way. And kissed her twice BUT Liam require Hope to live by a higer moral standard then he is??? This is all so twisted.
DeleteAfter pleading with Liam to forgive you Hope, you should've licked your lips then planted a BIG WET ONE on him!
ReplyDelete👄💦💧⛲👅😚💋💄
Send him wayyyy over the top for being such a hypocrite!
Liam just forgive Hope already, blah blah blah. Good on you Steffy, calling Thomas out! She was dead on.
ReplyDeleteGood on Wyatt talking sense to Liam.
I must have missed the part where Steffy called Thomas out ..... and what would she be calling him out on exactly ??
Delete^ the kiss with Hope.
DeleteBb love, I don’t think Steffy was trying to call Thomas out, I think she is disappointed he did not tell her about it and that’s why she is telling him that she knows.. Thomas is not lying to anyone.. Hope asked him to forget about it and leave it in Rome.. As I said below, had he have told Steffy knowing she would feel obligated to tell Liam, then he would be accused for “manipulating” and trying to cause problems in Hopes marriage.. He would not win in any scenario!!
DeleteI don’t think it would be fair for Steffy or anyone at all, to either blame or be upset at him for not saying anything to anyone.. He was gutted when Hope told him what she did, but he did the right thing.. The old obsessed Thomas would not have reacted the way he did despite being led on and then punched in the gut!!
I understand that Hope is only human, and I have said that myself in the past, but I did not like the way she handled it with Thomas.. She didn’t care how it might have affected Thomas’s progress, despite being warned by Steffy over and over.. And it wasn’t just “a kiss”, it was two AND to make things worse, she grabbed his hand to walk with him on their sight seeing, we even saw Thomas look down at their hands when she grabbed his hand, and she was acting like they were a couple!!.. She led him on big time, then just slapped his face and at last minute on the plane, said what happened in Rome stays in Rome!! That’s it!! How selfish was all of that!! She didn’t even have the decency to talk to him about it and explain that she didn’t want it to go further..
So I think Thomas has done FAR more than the right thing by Hope , considering the way she risked his progress only to slap him!! No one has the right to look down on Thomas for anything right now, not even Steffy..!!
So well said Colly. The fact that Hope led him on , and then kissed him twice and strolled through Rome hand in hand, knowing full well what that meant for Thomas, then hits him on the plane with .. well what happens in Rome stays in Rome was callous & cruel
DeleteDebbie it was very selfish and cruel.. She knows how deeply he loves her.. She knows that what happened that “entire” day is what he has longed for, for years and years, and to not even discuss it with him??
DeleteA good day for the Logan women. Brooke was very honest with Ridge and told him the truth! She didn’t try to throw Thomas under the bus at all. Exactly the opposite of what I heard was gonna happen from some Brooke hating folks. Ridge and Brooke are completely in sync with their feelings about the situation regarding Hope and Thomas. Looks like this ISN’T gonna drive a huge wedge between them as some predicted. Lol
ReplyDeleteHope continues be be devastated about Liam leaving, but is doing all she can do to try to repair the damage and make up for her HUGE MISTAKE as she put it! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Liam - you better come clean with Hope for what you did with Steffy!! You are being a HUGE HYPOCRITE right now!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Steffy - why are you picturing your kiss with Liam, but not telling Finn what happened??!!! Tsk tsk.
Oh Thomas - look at you not missing a beat. Your comfort in lying shows through in everything you do. Look how comfortable you were lying to Steffy in acting like absolutely nothing inappropriate happened in Rome. 😂😂😂😂 But I noticed your little beady eyes got a little bigger when Steffy told you she knew what happened at the colosseum.
Lynn, what else could Brooke say?? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ That he “coerced her”, even though that’s what she wants to believe 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteShe could have said anything she wanted to, Colly. But she was very honest with Ridge. Clearly that bothers you. You are only happy when you can say nasty things about Brooke’s behavior.
DeleteBrook behavior doesn’t matter to some lynn
DeleteEven if she donated her kidney to thomas
We will hear oh she gave him a toxic kidney to kill him because brook hate ridge’s kids 😂😂😂😂
I am proud of Steffy for rejecting Liam and setting boundaries (even if she absolutely kissed him back the last time), but I don't get how she can blame Hope for "not caring about Thomas making progress". Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health and not thomas himself Thomas.
DeleteAnd what about these comments about Hope for the future needing Thomas? There is no Hope for the future without Hope.
Hope had other designers and the line did just fine over a very long time and was a hit always
Thomas had many fails as a designer and with Hope as his muse he is much more successful so I guess Thomas kind of needs her even more
And RJ seems to love both of his sisters very much.
DeleteI wonder how he will feel about Liam when his kiss with Steffy will come out?
Im sure he will be angry that Liam is a hypocrite towards Hope and that he wanted to ruin Steffy's marriage.
Mmysh, for sure. No one forced Thomas to kiss Hope back. Or spend the day with her in Rome acting like a couple. And like I think you pointed out, this closeness that has developed between Hope and Thomas wouldn’t have ever even happened had Steffy herself not insisted that Thomas return as lead designer. Steffy definitely needs to look in the mirror and take some responsibility for how they all got here.
DeleteAnd good point that RJ won’t be happy with what Liam did with Steffy. He (like everyone else) will probably point out how hypocritical Liam is being right now. I definitely don’t excuse Liam’s recent behavior. I wonder how Hope will react once she finds out about Liam’s kisses with Steffy? Maybe she’ll grant him the divorce without a fight.
Lynn 🤗🤗💪🏼💪🏼I thought the exact same thing. All the haters saying Brooke will blame Thomas can eat it! Brooke even showed understanding about how it came to that. "Hope made a mistake" - I rest my case. Brooke and Ridge look amazing ❤️ I wouldn't keep rubbing them hands in anticipation for trouble, you may cause fire, people.
DeleteAnd Hope poor Hope... Those saying she has no regret - pffff she's devastated and completely remorseful. And she showed awareness about why Thomas is the worst person to kiss considering what he has done to "their" lives. I loved that she cleaned herself up before Liam returned.
Liam should really get off his high waffling horse. I still don't know if their marriage can be easily repaired considering the web of Thomas that Hope's life is... But he should show *some* awareness that he's FAR from perfect. All his forgiven crap should buy Hope some forgiveness for her first ever such mistake.
Wyatt is a really lovely brother ❤️
Thomas trying to wiggle out of Steffy's interrogation was hilarious 😅 did he really not get what she was getting at?
Mmysh - it will be "Thomas for the future" then 🤣🤣
DeleteEspecially with his shirts
DeleteReally why recently he is wearing pimp kinda shirts 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's definitely not a future I'm hopeful for Mmysh 😅😅
DeleteIndeed about brook milla
DeleteI hope i can share with you and lynn the bounce scene between brook and ridge
And she spoke about thomas
But its in private group
All these predictions about brook is more mike wishful thinking
And every time i read this comment tjat brook hates ridge’s kids i just laugh
So its a good comment indeed 😄
Milla 😂😂
DeleteAnd Maybe he is a pimp and tap dancer although its a lost art 😂😂😂
Oh Milla, the silence is deafening on how Hope is supposedly “IN LOVE WITH THOMAS”. Lol !!! Now there are FF’s getting upset with Hope for treating Thomas with indifference after their day in Rome. Some were sure Hope would choose Thomas, but like we said…she chooses Liam!! I’m still completely mad at her for what she did. But I’m super annoyed with Liam right now too for his Steffy kissing secret.
DeleteThomas has handled things pretty well for the most part. Although I think he should have shut down Hope in Rome. And I think once Steffy started questioning him today, he should have just come clean.
Thomas has been left out in the cold as far as the way Hope has handled things since the Rome incident.
I’m not ruling out the possibility of Hope and Thomas being a couple in the future 🤮🤮🤮 …because if Liam truly divorces Hope, she’s bound to go there. But what I do know is….Thomas will be SECOND CHOICE if that’s where this all takes us.
Mmysh, I have heard you mention “bounce scenes” before, but not familiar with what that is??
DeleteThomas - the tap dancer…but it’s a lost art! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You cracked me up with that one!!
Yes, ok, let’s now blame “Steffy” for Hope kissing Thomas, because there’s no one else to blame!! So it’s now because SHE “brought him back on the line”.. Firstly, yes, Steffy had a crystal ball, and just knew that of ALL people, HOPE would be the one to develop feeling for Thomas this time around 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤣🤣🤣, secondly, Hope was told SHE had the final decision on wether Thomas was allowed back on the line, if I remember correctly?? And before you say, oh but Steffy didn’t give her a choice, bs, Steffy only put the line on hold, not cancelled it, to try to find another solution because it was dying, which, from a business perspective, was actually very generous, considering they had already spent months and pouring resources into it, from other team members who “forrester” was paying, right down to the staples in paper, and 2 other designers, one being Eric, a world class designer AND founder of FC, to try and keep it alive, so it was that or eventually her line would have eventually ended up completely failing, and as you ladies were so keen to point out on more than one occasion, Hope apparently doesn’t need Thomas as a designer!! Hope was not willing to let her line go down the toilet, so SHE made the final decision to bring Thomas back, not Steffy!! Steffy only made the suggestion, the final decision was HOPES!! 🤣🤣🤣 seriously!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteAs for my feelings towards Hope, I did NOT say Hope is “in love with Thomas”, twisting words as per usual.. what I have said, both in the past and just said again today, and will say it again now, that Hope is only human.. My issues with Hope are not about her developing feelings towards Thomas and being caught up in the moment with “A” kiss.. But it wasn’t just an impulsive one off kiss.. She went back for another, then spent the day hand in hand with Thomas, which she also initiated.. It’s the way she led Thomas on , after being told, and knowing herself, that if she acted on her feelings, with Thomas having past obsession, it could be detrimental.. Yes, Thomas is the one responsible for his own mental health, and considering what I just said, he has handled things very very well!! if it was just a one off single kiss, and she pulled herself up and said I should not have done that, and explained things to Thomas properly, different story.. But she led him on all day, and then without any discussion just blurted out what happened stays in Rome , got up and walked away.. Come on!! Who wouldn’t think that things have changed.. This is my opinion, and I did not say I hate Hope, I am saying I don’t like how she handled things with Thomas.. Liam is just a hypocrite and ass, and he and Ridge are from the same mold, and she is better off without him.. Please don’t twist what I say, because I think I have been abundantly clear and concise with my comments!!
DeleteAnd where did I say, she “WILL choose Thomas”?? 🤔🤔 And if she really does love Liam as much as you ladies think, let’s see how things progress!!
DeleteI would say Hope was pretty “comfortable” lying to Liam??!! She didn’t flinch till she realised she was caught out!!
DeleteAnd as far as Brooke being “honest” and “understanding” with Ridge, of course she is, because it’s HER daughter that did the wrong thing.. So of course she is going to be so understanding!! 🤣🤣🤣 Still doesn’t excuse what she said to Hope, knowing full well Hope has feelings for Thomas..
DeleteI am pretty sure it was you guys saying that Hope was showing no regret for kissing him because she went on to act like a couple for the rest of the day?? 🤔🤔Maybe I was mistaken?? Of course she regrets it because she got caught.. She had no intention of telling Liam and lied!! She just finished the day before admitting to Liam she has feelings for Thomas.. 🤦♀️🤦♀️
DeleteYeah lynn everything episode there is a 2,5 minutes bounce scene
DeleteLast nights episode was between ridge and brook
I watch them always after the episode
But i don’t know where these people got them and its published it a private group
So i can’t share it here
The exact language Steffi used when giving Hope the decision was, “I’m considering pausing your line.” A big deal has been made of whether Hope was threatened with cancellation and that is not what was said. Brava, Colly. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteAnd yeah lynn friends always has a reference to everything 😂😂😂😂
DeleteMmysh do you have a link to the bounce scenes? I remember one that you posted some weeks ago and it was really cool.
DeleteOmg hahahahah the pimp/tap dancer! With a big dog that barks into the night 🤣
DeleteLynn yes I feel the same. Like for Hope, I'm not only mad about the deed itself (kissing) but what it represents for each of them - in his case it is hypocrisy, being soooooo hurt and mad about Hope kissing Thomas but not acknowledging that he is no better, also kissing (on two separate occasions, the second one he literally drove there to kiss) someone who has been a huge obstacle for the two of them, the mom of his first child.
DeleteI actually can imagine the following: Liam forgives Hope but keeps hush hush about Steffy. Then Hope learns in some way and turns around on him and then they do split. I also imagine very well her coming together with Thomas at some point, as much as it's gross and wrong. But I can't imagine her staying with Liam for too long either especially considering how intertwined she is with Thomas.
Colly, I don’t have time to address everything you said. Waaaay too much. On my way to work and will keep this short. When I say “FF’s” that means people from your entire group. It doesn’t mean you specifically. And YES, many of your people said Hope was in love with Thomas - that would include : Elle, BBFAN and D. So there you go.
DeleteAnd I didn’t say it was entirely Steffy’s fault that Hope kissed Thomas. I said, Steffy bears some responsibility TOO!!!! Meaning there were many factors that played into this.
And for clarification to Unknown - NO, Steffy did not say the line ‘might be paused’ if Thomas didn't come back. Steffy said the line would be SHELVED because THOMAS WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD MAKE THE LINE SUCCESSFUL!! Sick and tired of arguing that point!!! Yes, Hope brought Thomas back because Steffy made it clear…it was Thomas or NOONE!!
Yeah milla that scene i searched for it in youtube
DeleteBut this i didn’t find it
Lynn, for clarification, since you always like to say that I've said things I've never said, I did not, at any time, say that Hope was in love with Thomas. I've always said that she had feelings for Thomas, not love or falling in love.
DeleteThe first time we saw her fantasize about making love to Thomas, was the first time I said that Hope's got it bad, it seems that she might be falling for Thomas.
Elle, no Ffan, you, me, Bbfan, D or any other Ffan has said outright that Hope IS IN LOVE with Thomas.. It’s been said she is falling for Thomas and she has feelings for Thomas or is beggining to have feelings for him, but none have said outright she IS IN LOVE with him..
DeleteElle, correct me if I am wrong, but we’re the Lfans not annoyed at you the other day for apparently referring to them all as the Lfans when some claimed they didn’t say this and that and that this one said that but the others said this and “they didn’t say that, I said that”, etc, and yet that’s what “some” are doing the same now?? Is it not them who constantly refer to “themselves in the majority of “their” comments, as “we” this and that? Mmm confusing?? 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteI posted this below as well. Sorry ladies, the FF’s (some, not all) absolutely said that Hope was in love with Thomas.
DeleteYou brought up this exact same issue in comments further down. And I posted it there as well. I’m posting it here too so you’re sure to see that all your denial is completely unfounded. See copy and paste example below from Elle, where she said exactly what I accused her of saying.
ElleJune 9, 2023 at 12:46 PM
OMG! That ending! Hope is so far gone. And when Thomas asked her if she loved the new design, did you see her hesitate, look at him then say "I do." Hope is completely in love with Thomas, even if she's not ready to admit it. I feel sorry for her as well. Everyone is coming down on her and not believing her. I feel like there's going to be some romance in Rome for sure but it might not be with Bridge.
Oh and Elle, I posted a second example of you saying “Hope is falling in love with Thomas” in my list of examples further down in comments below. 😬😬😬😬
DeleteOMG , Elle I can’t 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♀️🤦♀️
DeleteColly, I'm waiting for Lynn to post all the months of comments where we've said that Hope was in love with Thomas.
DeleteI admitted to saying that Hope was falling for Thomas when she fantasized about making love to him, which is exactly the comment Lynn posted. So I'm not sure what is the point here.
Elle, I guess you can’t read your own comment then. Because I posted above YOUR comment that clearly states….”Hope is completely in love with Thomas, even if she is not ready to admit it.”
DeleteI don’t think that could be anymore clear. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But I already admitted to saying that, Lynn. I admitted that when Hope first fantasized about sex with Thomas, that was when I first stated that she had it bad for Thomas and might be falling in love with him.
DeleteThe comment you posted is for the exact scene that I had already admitted to. However, you said that I had been saying that Hope was in love with Thomas for months. So if you have months of comments where I said that, please post them.
That's just ONE comment. You said MONTHS.
I must have missed where you admitted to it. All I saw was yours and Colly’s vehement denial of any FF using the words “In love with” or “Falling in love”. No one ever said that….I was told. 😂😂😂😂
DeleteAnd I’m done going through old comments, Elle. At least for now. It was a fun little game last night. But then instead of just admitting she was wrong, I got the Colly 12 point lecture on how ridiculous I am for going through old comments. If someone challenges me, I’m generally up for the challenge. However, I didn’t appreciate the snarky ridicule that followed. But I guess I need to consider the source.
DeleteOh and actually Elle, I posted TWO comments from you. The other one further down ⤵️⤵️⤵️ was a reference to “Falling in love” which you also categorically denied ever saying.
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DeleteOk, so Elle, Lynn says she did ALL this, because of a “snarky comment”, yet, SHE was the one who STARTED this whole thing off, with HER SNARKY comment, which was UNPROVOKED by any of us, see reference below,
DeleteLynnJuly 5, 2023 at 6:22 PM
Oh Milla, the silence is deafening on how Hope is supposedly “IN LOVE WITH THOMAS”. Lol !!!
So, snarl was met with snark after that.. I rest my case!
OK, Colly….fair enough on the “She started it” thing….meaning me. However, when two of you ladies write comment after comment (on one day’s blog) about how you are both CERTAIN it was never said, I’m not simply gonna come back and say…”Yes, the FF’s did.” I felt it was time to prove it to end the discussion. So that’s all I did.
DeleteI have admitted multiple times that I was wrong about thinking Hope would NEVER do anything with Thomas. I guessed wrong, she did it. End of story.
So really, that’s all that needed to happen here…you simply say “I stand corrected” and move on.
I didn’t appreciate the attack that came afterwards simply because I showed you a couple of examples of what I was talking about.
We got to a point a year or so ago where we couldn’t even talk to each other anymore. I hope we can both be mature enough to not let that happen again. And please note : I said both of us because I’m completely aware it takes two to tango.
@ Unknown, no, the line wasn’t gonna be paused. It was going to be SHELVED per Steffy! Taylor reiterated that specific term and so did Thomas in various discussions! It was going to be shelved unless Hope agreed to being Thomas back which she was completely against doing!
DeleteI agree Lynn.. Let’s not get back to that.. you guys are always going to say horrible things about characters we like and vice versa.. so let’s stick to attacking the characters , not each other!!
DeleteAnd for the record Lynn, the only reason several comments were made was because you kept going on with it, which prompted us to keep going.. So I admit that I personally should have just let it go.. and so should you.. we were both wrong..
DeleteTypical manipulative Logan 🤣🤣🤣
ReplyDeleteThe only woman who is being manipulative right now is Steffy by not coming clean with Finn. But we are all too familiar with Steffy’s manipulations - because that’s what she does best!
DeleteThere’s nothing manipulative about Hope trying to salvage her marriage with the man she LOVES! She has admitted multiple times she screwed up and is sorry. All she can do right now is hope that Liam will forgive her. We’ll see. I’m not certain that he will. I don’t think he will be able to truly put behind him what he saw in Rome. It’s gonna haunt him forever.
And, there it is again!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Let’s turn everything around on Steffy and Thomas!! Despite they are trying to do the right thing!! But let’s turn everything around on them.. I will say it once again as I did below, there is always a reason to turn it around and no matter how supportive Steffy and Thomas are being, they are just their so called “selves”?? And that’s just what they do!! Let’s see how long it takes “Brooke” to “do what she does best”, trash Thomas to Ridge, and tell Ridge she thinks Thomas somehow made hope do it!! She said it straight up even when Hope outright told her she called it, and Hope acted on it.. Brookse still tried to somehow turn it on Thomas, he “coerced her”!! 🤣🤣🤣 let’s see how long it takes Brooke to tell Ridge the same thing.. She won’t now because she is not confident enough in their reunion, but I believe it will happen.. Brooke will do “what she does best” 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteColly, I am not turning anything around. I stated exactly what I saw on today’s episode.
DeleteI will repeat what I already stated.
Steffy was daydreaming about her kiss with Liam. Then Finn and she are talking and she tells Finn she is going to have a talk with Thomas about the kiss in Rome, but says ZERO to Finn about her own indiscretions with Liam. Did you see something different today???? Lol
Me saying Thomas lied seemed to bother you…so let me say it another way…Thomas WASN’T HONEST with Steffy when she questioned him. He acted like he had zero clue what she was talking about, when in fact he knew exactly what she was talking about.
And you can play guessing games all day long about how things will play out with Ridge and Brooke in the future, but that has ZERO to do with what we saw in the show today. What we saw today was Brooke being 100% forthright in what she told Ridge. You ladies are desperate for Ridge to get mad at Brooke again, or better yet, dump her. So you are speculating how this Thomas / Hope / Ridge / Brooke thing will play out. But sorry, nothing even close to what you ladies predicted has happened. I know the same thing you know….what we saw on the show today. And what we witnessed today was Brooke doing EXACTLY what she should have done! And that was to give Ridge a clear understanding of what happened with their kids. End of story.
As far as what Brooke said to Hope on Monday’s episode….”Hope, please tell me that Thomas kissed you, or coerced you??” What does that have to do with anything?? Brooke posed it as a question, not a statement of fact! And she was ASKING her daughter, not spreading falsehoods about what happened to Ridge. Of course Brooke is gonna ask that question to Hope in the hopes that Hope didn’t just sabotage her marriage. And also based on Thomas’ past obsession with Hope. Absolutely nothing wrong with Brooke’s question. Had she spread the rumor that Thomas kissed Hope in Rome, then you’d have a leg to stand on. But that’s NOT what happened!
Lynn 👏👏👏👏
DeleteLynn, if Steffy is the “only one being manipulative”, then can I firstly ask, did Hope “come clean” about kissing Thomas?? NOoooo!! I don’t think so.. She thought she got away with it and had NO intention of telling Liam..!! She told Thomas, “what happened in Rome STAYS IN ROME”!! Liam had to literally draaag it out of her!! She did a rather “brilliant” job of lying if you ask me!! She didn’t flinch till she realised she was caught out!! And at one point when she found out Liam was in Rome, but he said he didn’t get there in time and “missed the show and press conference”, thinking he then also missed the kiss, she looked rather relieved!! It wasn’t until she did catch on he saw her, she then panicked and said “I don’t want to talk about Rome anymore”!! She tried her utmost best to lie and surprisingly, she was pretty darn good at imo!! So no, I don’t think “steffy is the ONLY one manipulating here”.. 🤦♀️🤦♀️ wow!!
DeleteYes, Colly. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteBrava Lynn. Colly nobody ever absolved Hope from all the wrong she did around the whole Rome mess. What turning around are you talking about? But she's not manipulating anyone, she is fighting for her marriage.
DeleteAnd Lynn nailed it also with this amazing Bridge drama you guys keep craving but alas 🤣🤣 keep playing the guessing games.
Colly, I was talking about this specific episode. Good Lord! Lol
DeleteAnd I was responding to Unknown’s comment on this episode @ 1:03 pm where she accuses the Logan’s of manipulating. There was zero manipulation from Brooke or Hope in THIS episode. So I said what I said about Steffy continuing to keep quiet about the kiss with Liam, all the while calling Thomas out!!! I find that extremely hypocritical and manipulative. Steffy needs to tell Finn. End of story. And yes, she can blame Liam since Liam initiated both kisses.
DeleteWhen I make comments, I generally stick to that day’s episode unless comments start coming up about the history of the show. Then sometimes I will engage in those discussions, but only if I know the history.
Lynn btw I had wished you a happy 4th July but it either got deleted or lost again on the previous episode! So here again happy 4th 🤗❤️🗽
DeleteAnd to anyone else celebrating it but I don't know for sure of other known Americans 😀
DeleteAww, thank you Milla!! We had a great day up in the mountains. Live bands and fireworks. ❤️
DeleteAmazing 🎇🎆🤗
DeleteLynn, regardless if you are talking about “this episode” or any other.. You are saying Steffy is the only one “manipulating” here?? So in view, not “telling” Finn, is “manipulating”? That does not make sense?? Who is she manipulating by not “telling” Finn.. She is not lying, because Finn didnt ask her if Liam tried anything with her.. She simply has not told Finn what “Liam did”.. that is NOT manipulating.. If she tells Finn and then he and Liam come to big blows, then it gets back to Hope then she is going to be accused of “manipulating” by Brooke and Hope that she is trying to make things worse for hope and Liam’s marriage.. Like Thomas, Steffy is in a no win situation here.. but to say she is “manipulating” is incorrect.. Who is she manipulating exactly?? You know what the word means don’t you?
DeleteManipulation means controlling a situation to achieve your desired outcome. And that is exactly what Steffy is doing by not being honest with her husband. The omission of facts is dishonestly plain and simple, Colly. She is telling Finn only part of the story and keeping the Liam kissing details from her husband. By your definition….if Steffy decides to sleep with Liam while married to Finn, that is OK too because Finn didn’t “ask her directly” if she had sex with Liam!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteYou have got to be kidding me right now!!
Lynn steffy was thinking of her kiss with liam when finn came and asked her what she was thinking about
DeleteAnd she said its you 😂😂😂
I wonder if brook or hope were in her position how the comments would be
Its hilarious 🤣
Mmysh, so very true!! 👍🏻👍🏻
DeleteTY Bob
ReplyDeleteAnd the Logan's are asking for pity as usual and Hope just did it as well as Liam asked for pity years before. This program goes around constantly in circles with everyone.
Agree Tina. When Liam's kisses with Steffy come out he will be giving Hope the exact same speech. It's becoming monotonous. That's if he forgives Hope.
DeleteD but we watch it every day the same even if.
DeleteLet’s not forget that in the last episode, the first thing out of Brookes mouth, after Hope said Thomas didn’t do anything, was, “please tell me that Thomas did this, that he coerced you into kissing him”.. The Ffan’s said nothing about that.. Of course Brooke is being the way she is with Ridge, they have just reunited, and Brooks knows that when Ridge pushed against her advances, and even stopped calling her Logan for the first time, that she is lucky that he “saw his destiny” through that keyhole, just like when he was almost knocked out by the pine cone.. So she will act on her best behaviour until she is secure enough in their reunion to be herself.. She was the first one to pick up Hopes feelings for Thomas, and yet, despite Hope telling her she was correct and “called it”, Brooke still had to try and put it on Thomas, and try to say he “coerced” Hope?? What a rediculous thing to say.. None can coerce someone to kiss them!!
ReplyDeleteTaylor called Brooke out about lying to Ridge about how she really feels about Thomas after she realised Hope had feelings for Thomas, and how can she try and blame Thomas when Hope admitted she was the one who kissed him, and she is not exactly going to say to Ridge, I think he coerced her into kissing him, because then she would look really silly... So I think Brooke is being very careful with how she deals with this when it comes to Ridge.. But time will tell?? Hopefully Brooke is being genuine today?? Time will tell!!
When it comes to Thomas today, just because he did not tell Steffy about it, because Hope asked him to leave what happened in Rome in Rome, and he was not the one to initiate, nor did he cheat on anyone, so to say he lied today was incorrect.. He didn’t know Steffy knew, so he was doing as Hope asked, and keeping it between them so that it doesn’t cause any issues for her.. That’s not lying.. I think some of the Lfans, are just so eager to get something on Thomas that they use anything to try to make him look bad, and it’s obvious.. If Steffy said what she did at the end, and he denied it, and no that’s not true, then yes, he would have lied..
Liam, it took you five seconds to do what you have always done and run to Hope past nemeses.. Twice now.. You were ready to “move on with your future”, had Steffy had let you.. You are the biggest hypocrite of all.. You say you can never trust Hopd again for one mistake in your entire history married to her, yet can she really say she has “ever” or “still now” trust you.. Grow up man!!
Colly🥰! I think what BBfan meant by Steffy calling him out, I could be wrong, was Steffy's disappointed in him for the fact he was willing to lie, be deceitful, dishonest and watch Hope destroy his behavior patterns again. She still hasn't heard Thomas's explanation and it was Hope that asked him to keep what happened in Rome to himself. Lol exactly like she's trying to do with Liam. A vicious circle.
ReplyDeleteHere’s another couple of scenario!! Had Thomas went and told Steffy himself that Hope kissed him, and he did nothing to provoke it or coerce her into it, knowing full well that Steffy already has suspicions about Hopes feelings, and knowing full well Steffy would feel a responsibility to tell Liam if Hope didn’t, and Thomas made it clear he did nothing to provoke it, which is TRUE.. Or had he went to Liam and said, your wife kissed me and I want you to know, I did not initiate it nor did I provoke or “coerce” Hope into kissing me, so I wanted to make that clear, and Liam left Hope because of either scenario, then I can pretty much guarantee he would have been accused of going to his old ways and “manipulating” and trying to cause problems in Hopes marriage, so he can have Hope.. And I dare any Logan fan to deny that!!
ReplyDeleteD love, I was referring to Lynn’s comment about Thomas not missing a beat and how “comfortable” in “lying” to Steffy, hence my comment.. The Logan fans continue to try to find any little thing they can to discredit and make Thomas look bad no matter what he does.. The “ironic” thing about it, is some accuse Ffan’s of doing that!! He did NOT lie to Steffy.. Both my comments above explain things perfectly clear!!
ReplyDeleteRight on, Colly! The LFs "are only happy when they can say nasty things about Thomas’ behavior."
DeleteAnd round and round we go. We say the same things about you ladies when you name-call Liam or Brooke. We ALL do it. Both sides guilty!!
DeleteAgree Colly. Wish I had time to reply and add another scenario but yours was perfectly said. Maybe later?
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DeleteColly, there’s a huge difference between Thomas GOING TO Steffy and telling her about the kiss between Hope and himself vs not being forthright with Steffy when asked!!! He knew exactly where Steffy was going with that discussion, but acted completely innocent. Either that, or he’s dumb as dirt!!! Thomas is very very good at lying. Always has been. I simply stated a fact. We saw his total poker face when Steffy was questioning him today. This is obviously a very sensitive topic for you. And usually that’s the case when someone points out something that’s true. I’m not changing my position on this….Thomas has always been very good at lying. And clearly that hasn’t changed.
DeleteAnd as far as Brooke ‘trying to be careful about what she says to Ridge now’ because “they are recently back together”….I find that extremely funny!!! When have you ever known Brooke to not say exactly what’s on her mind when it comes to Thomas???!!!! 😂😂😂. That’s actually something you ladies always complain about, that Brooke hates Thomas and says it to Ridge and Ridge gets upset. You hate to see Brooke do the right thing cuz then you can’t complain about her behavior and you have to resort to your angry predictions about what she’ll do in the future. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brooke did exactly what she should of done. No defending Hope because it actually was Hope’s fault this time. Brooke is a straight shooter.
Ok Lynn, I guess I am “too sensitive” because you Ladies are doing exactly what you ladies accuse others of, twisting things, putting words in mouths, deflecting, finding anything to pick on your faves, to make our faves look better, and denying truths?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh goodness me!!
DeleteColly, as you rightfully said above, Hope told Thomas that whatever happened in Rome stays in Rome. Whether or not Thomas is a good liar is not the point here. Thomas is being true to Hope. The LFs prefer not to acknowledge that because to do so would mean admitting that Thomas is truly loyal to Hope.
DeleteThere's a big difference between forthright lying and loyalty to someone.
Thomas is doing what Hope told him to do. Hope intended to forthrightly lie to her husband about what happened in Rome.
Hi Elle. Colly, here’s one of the ones from your team that said Hope was in love with Thomas.
DeleteLet me be more clear - Elle didn’t say it today. She said it many, many times on past episodes, before we saw how Hope has handled things since the infamous day in Rome.
DeleteDefending my favs, Colly ??? I have done nothing but rip on my favs for weeks now!!!! Truth!!!
DeleteI have said I’m beyond disgusted with Hope for acting on her inappropriate thoughts. I am also disgusted with Liam’s hypocrisy and have said that over and over. And Brooke throwing herself at Ridge for days was also ridiculous!! And I said that on multiple occasions.
So you must be confusing me with someone else. Lol
You're wrong Lynn. I've never said that Hope was in love with Thomas.
DeleteElle, no one said outright that Hope is IN love with Thomas..
DeleteWell this is fun for me….
DeleteHere you go, Elle. Copy and paste directly from one of your comments. Don’t make it so easy for me to prove you wrong. Oh and this is JUST ONE EXAMPLE where a FF said Hope was “in love” with Thomas. There are PLENTY of others!!!
ElleJune 9, 2023 at 12:46 PM
OMG! That ending! Hope is so far gone. And when Thomas asked her if she loved the new design, did you see her hesitate, look at him then say "I do." Hope is completely in love with Thomas, even if she's not ready to admit it.
I feel sorry for her as well. Everyone is coming down on her and not believing her. I feel like there's going to be some romance in Rome for sure but it might not be with Bridge.
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Also D said it and so did BBFAN. If I had more free time, I would copy and paste those comments as well. But this one above seems sufficient to prove my point!
DeleteLynn I can't 🤣🤣👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
DeleteOh Milla, I spent at least 15 minutes looking for an example. I was sure it had been said, and wasn’t about to let them hang me out to dry with all the snark!!! Lol.
DeleteFor the record, I'm not a fan of keeping track of which details said who and when they came about. But that Hope has been in love with Thomas is the building block of his fans' whole thesis. It's like me saying I never claimed Brooke is the love of Ridge's. That's been the basis of everything that I have said about the two of them since I started posting here.
Delete*Ridge's life
DeleteAnd Lynn I absolutely agree with you. I laughed because the vehement denial was so perfectly squashed.
DeleteYes, for sure, Milla! The vehement denial is always fun to squash!! 😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteIn my reading of old comments looking for an example of the “in love” comment, I also came across many posts about how Brooke was supposedly going to blame the entire thing on Thomas…(anything that happened between Hope and Thomas). And how the FF’s thought Ridge was going to be sooooo upset with Brooke for “bashing Thomas!” So far all we have seen is Brooke totally blame Hope, and there has been zero discussion from Ridge about any Brooke Thomas bashing!!!
Brooke is handling things perfectly!! Very proud of her!!
Oh good, I found another one where Elle said Hope is falling in love with Thomas. 😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteElleMay 5, 2023 at 5:42 PM
BBFan, they captured the scene very well. I loved how gentle Thomas was when he pulled his hands away. It's like he saw Hope's emotion and did not want to hurt her feelings. It was a beautiful, yet powerful scene.
I'm very happy about it. I've been saying that I don't want anything to happen between them just yet. Hope is falling in love with Thomas and I want her to realize, just like you always say, that's she's outgrown Liam. Once Liam is out of the picture (and I believe it will happen), then they will be free to be with each other. Hope saying thank you for seeing me was, I believe, a direct reference to Liam who, after so many years, still does not get Hope.
WOW Lynn, what can I say 🤣🤣🤣🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ the lengths you will go to, to “squash” someone else is mind blowing and quite frankly bloody amusing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.. I am glad you had so much fun trying to prove a point!! Where do you find the time!! For the record, this one ☝️ just above says is FALLING in love, not IS IN love, there is a difference, surprising for someone who pays so much attention to detail!! 🤣🤣🤣 So where r all the others?? Come on now, let’s see how far you will go!!🤣🤣🤣 Do you do all this research in your tea breaks?? 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteOh, and I will copy and paste my above comment up above too “to make sure you see it”!!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteColly, I would have bet $100 that you would respond exactly like you did. 😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteCalling me out for “spending the time” rather than simply admitting you’re WRONG!!!!! Too predictable. I call that a prime example of deflection. Here’s the deal - when you and Elle spend all that time telling me how wrong I am, you bet your butt I’m gonna prove YOU BOTH wrong. It was a fun little game for me. And quite honestly, didn’t take that long because I looked at days with lots of comments and only read “Elle’s” comments. Easy peasy.
And thank you for affording me the opportunity to prove you wrong again. Elle said this in one of her comments above (just to clarify on the “in love” vs “falling in love” reference that you made in your comment above.
ElleJuly 6, 2023 at 2:20 PM
Lynn, for clarification, since you always like to say that I've said things I've never said, I did not, at any time, say that Hope was in love with Thomas. I've always said that she had feelings for Thomas, not love or falling in love.
The first time we saw her fantasize about making love to Thomas, was the first time I said that Hope's got it bad, it seems that she might be falling for Thomas.
So there you go, Colly. A simple admission that all the snark you threw my way was not called for will do!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No need to copy and paste your comment where you should simply admit you’re wrong and apologize. I wouldn’t go throwing shade at people when you clearly have NO CLUE what you’re talking about, Colly!!! The only one looking foolish here is you. And no, I don’t have time to search for more comments. Time to go to bed. My work here is done.
DeleteWhoooooa, that was quick, we’re u just waiting for me to respond?? Ok Lynn, I was wrong!! You win love!!
DeleteLynn, really, on a serious note now, what do u expect anyone to say, when you are so , how should I put this, without offending you?? Ok, “determined” to go through all of that, scrummaging through months worth of comments, just to “squash” someone?? I don’t think I am the one who is looking foolish..??
DeleteYou should have taken that bet love 🤣🤣🤣 I would have been happy to give you that $100 for calling you out, because YOU are the one who is “predictable” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is “what you always do”!! On a serious note, what do you expect anyone to say when you go to such extreme lengths to “squash” people??!! 🤣🤣
DeleteColly, sorry to jump in your conversation, but I expect exactly that to be said ("you must have a lot of time on your hands") when someone so irrefutably proved you wrong. Happens in "real" life too. Some of you guys spend waaaaay more time writing longer and more posts than I can even read, let alone sift through to address. So Lynn checking a few episodes, especially if she used the search function for the word "love", took her way less time.
DeleteSorry Milla, but with all due respect love, I and other Forrester fans do not make it a habit to go searching months worth of posts just to “squash” someone!! All that just to find a word?? Secondly, I am not sure if you have noticed the number of and length of the Lfn’s comments?? If that is not hypocritical to say, I don’t know what on earth is.. So I am sorry love, I completely disagree.. Go back and just skim each days blogs for the last month, and then tell me who the majority of the comments are from and look at the length of them.. most days I don’t bother to comment because I take one look at the blog and get tired just looking at how many and how long they are, and the majority are from “you guys” apart from poor Elle who gets absolutely hammered by you guys and feels she has to.. I can’t even read through them all.. I don’t have the energy to even respond.. This days blog I went way out cause I got in early and had the day off hence the number and length, and yes we ALL can go crazy a bit, but if you want to compare apples and oranges, u guys win by a long mile 🤣🤣🤣 And as I said, Lynn goes to EXTREME lengths, and to do what she did all for what?? one word , come on!! You definately don’t see any of us do that Milla, and if so it’s bloody rare, but Lynn, and I will include Mmysh in this also, will do this often just to prove a point and squash people, over something so minutely small that everyone has forgotten about, and is not even worth the effort and they even say things like “I enjoy it” , “it’s fun for me to prove you wrong”, “it’s a game for me to prove you wrong” “when I prove you wrong , I will absolutely rub it in your face” etc ect etc!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ sorry, but you guys by far, win the 🍎 bobbing competition on this one!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteAnd for the record, I can type an A4 page worth in a matter of a minute or two including proof reading, so no, I don’t think it takes “more time” to write a comment than searching a months worth comments particularly the ones over 200 comments to find one comment to prove a point.. I am laughing as I am reading and writing this comment cause it’s so ridiculous!!
DeleteColly, I don’t think I’ve ever once gone through weeks of comments to find where one of the FF’s used a particular word / words. I have absolutely no clue what you are referring to. I spend 98% of my time commenting on that particular day’s events and making predictions about what I see happening going forward.
DeleteThe ironic thing here is this….back years ago when you and I used to argue back and forth, I remember distinctly that you would scour old shows’ comments to prove a point. And now you are making fun of me for doing it?? Hilarious! And let’s not forget Elle will go and search the entire written dialogue from shows and copy and paste just to prove her point.
You and Elle wrote comment after comment about how WRONG I was for saying that the FF’s had used the term “in love”, so of course I wasn’t gonna let that go. I made a statement of fact, and you both said that absolutely never happened. Maybe be more sure next time before you go on and on and on!
And for sure you are the queen of looooong comments. So let’s not even get started on that one.
And the thing is, I am NOT defending myself to you!! You two told me I was wrong multiple times here and were both snarky in your comments! So for me, it was a fun little game to show you you were wrong! Accept it and move on instead of writing 5 paragraphs of blah blah to change the subject!
DeleteColly I also don’t agree with you, sorry (respectfully). Lynn writes one or two longer comments, I am too lazy to write more than one and mostly shorter ones. None of that compares to what I see from you. True, you comment rarely recently but when you do, it’s more than I can even scroll through. And there’s nothing wrong with that if you have that much to say. But what Lynn did ONCE can’t compare to that. What she found was said very very recently too so there’s no „months“. So no way it took her longer than the walls of comments I read from FFs. And I’ve been „only“ about one year here.
DeleteAnd again, that’s not even the point. The point is that something was so vehemently denied which was so obvious to us all was true.
DeleteSteffys hair was beautiful she looked nice even though they are extensions
ReplyDeleteYes, I was thinking the same thing!!
DeleteI'm not sure if extentions as being pregnant is isn't likely to use any chemical on her hair except a wash in out dye
ReplyDeleteThank you Bob xxxx
ReplyDeleteWell Hope Steffy asked Liam to forgive her and all you and Brooke did was remind Liam of what Steffy did with Bill
Remember those who cheat with normally later cheat on
Indeed mandy but that’s goes for all cheaters right ??? 😂😂😂
DeleteSteffy is as big a hypocrite as Liam! Both habitual/serial cheats and they are acting as if Hope is anything like as bad as them! She made ONE mistake, while I`ve lost count of their indiscretions...with each other!!!
DeleteWho on earth do either of them think they are?
They suck face...twice... and regardless of Steffys bs comments of you can`t do that again, "I`m a married woman", she continues to keep this secret from her husband.
Frankly Steffy is every bit as bad as the two people she`s busy pointing her hypocritical finger at! Clean up you own lying by omission, hypocritical act before you have the gall to point the finger at any one else.
Her hypocrisy infuriates me!!
Maur, did you not hear Steffy say to Liam, “forgive Hope”””, and that Hope has forgiven him?? She was not being hypocritical about it??? If so, why would she point that out to Liam??
DeleteColly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteMaur, Steffy was not being hypocritical or pointing any fingers. Mandy was comparing Steffy telling Liam to forgive Hope and fix his marriage, to back in the day when Hope and Brooke kept telling Liam to leave his marriage because Steffy slept with Bill. They did not encourage him to go home to Steffy and fix his marriage the way Steffy was encouraging Liam to do.
DeleteSteffy's actions show that she is not interested in cheating with Liam again even though he wants to break up her marriage for his own selfish reasons.
DeleteCollu, brava LFs have to hate on Steffy and Thomas no matter what they do. I’m still shaking my head at blaming Steffy for Hope cheating on Liam!! 🙄🙄🙄
BBFAN, not sure if you referring to something I said, but for the record…I said Steffy bears some responsibility “as well” because she insisted Thomas come back on board for HFTF. No one said “it’s Steffy’s fault that Hope cheated on Liam.” We are definitely smarter than that. 🙄🙄🙄
DeleteThank you Bob 👍💕
ReplyDeleteActually Colly she did say that, but how does that change her hypocrisy?
ReplyDeleteShe is lying by omission to her husband...the one she is soooo happily married to!
it`s ok for her to lie and cheat but not anyone else. At least Hope is wearing her behaviour and Steffy needs to take a leaf out of Hopes book...tell your husband what you did, because it wasn`t that long ago he was giving her dubious looks about the way she was speaking about Hope and Liams marriage. I`m pretty sure she knows what a dim view he will take of her behaviour.
Perhaps Hope should be with Finn...sounds like a much better option...two decent people together. No habitual cheating and hypocrisy there!
I agree that Steffy should tell Finn what "she did" which was that she pushed Liam away when he tried to kiss her twice. She really does need to come clean to him about it.
DeleteWhich is entirely different than Hope sneaking around behind her husband’s back, initiating the make out session for all to see and then coming home and refusing to own up to it until Liam bullied it out of her.
DeleteStuffy definitely should tell Finn what Liam did and stop protecting Liam. He was completely out of line kissing her! It’s clearly weighing on her conscience, which is why we see her thinking on it. Not, as LFs keep saying wool gathering. She’s not happy about it at all ans does NOT want Liam back.
Just tell Finn now and he will be cross but will deal with it.
@BBFan I need to ask you, "Do you think Hope has broken her message of value for HFTF?" She keeps sending her message to her customers but are they true to her words, or is she being a two-faced liar to her fans? Where is her honesty that she always used to preach about in her message?
DeleteMaur, how is Steffy lying or cheating??? She didn’t initiate the kisses and firmly put Liam in his place both in Rome and at her house!! She is not lying either.. if she initiated either of those kisses then yes, she would be, however she didn’t.. Because she has not “told” Finn what Liam did, does not make her a liar.. Just like Thomas said nothing about Hope, he hasn’t lied either, because neither Steffy or Thomas initiated it nor cheated.. telling or not telling Finn what “Liam did” does not make her a liar..
Delete“ it`s ok for her to lie and cheat but not anyone else. At least Hope is wearing her behaviour and Steffy needs to take a leaf out of Hopes book...tell your husband what you did”
DeleteUmm, I am confused by that statement Maur?? Hope is only “wearing her behaviour” now, BECAUSE she got CAUGHT!! She had NO intention telling Liam!! But I know, it’s confusing , because that’s usually her mothers MO.. Have you actually been watching the show since they got on the plane to come home?? Did u miss Hope telling Thomas what happened “stays in Rome”?? Did you miss the entire conversation when Liam had to drag a confession out of Hope?? And what exactly did Steffy do?? Did I miss something??🤔🤔 Ohhhh, you mean, when she put Liam in his place for what “HE DID”, now I get it?? 🤣🤣🤦♀️
Exactly. If Liam had not seen what he saw, Hope was willing to lie to Liam's face while they were on the Stella Maris!
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, brava 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
ReplyDeleteWhere Hope's honesty values there?
ReplyDeleteEveryone on that show only confess if they get caught not sooner
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