I’m wondering what we missed in the opening scene between Hope and Liam, it was cut and we didn’t see whatever was happening. I wonder was Hope thinking of Thomas again?
Mmysh, did you look at it on CBS? The show started with Ridge and Brooke then moved into the next scene with Liam and Hope on the sofa. They were kissing and Hope pulled away. She then saw Thomas on top of her and he asked "Are you sure you're okay?"
CTV also shows it in a different time slot. But CTV you can't stream it until the following day. It definitely happened, that's why she really freaked out. Elle soon we'll be called delusional
@Mmysh Na. I think one person does the editing and makes it available for other sites to use it. I say so because the scene is cut out at the exact same spot in all of the videos I looked at. Even on this one that Bob has uploaded.
Lol I used VPN to watch on CTV. Hope opens her eyes during love making and sees Thomas and says, “I want you so much” and goes back to making love with Liam while looking away from him.
Wow, no wonder she is so quick to run off after to talk with her mum!
Bbfan its seems you are an expert with analysis But usually people do the kissing or being intimate with closed eyes That doesn’t mean she was imagining thomas 🤮 all the time Did you saw the movie unfaithful Its so different because that women was really in love with the guy And hope being disgusted of herself or because she is having these images or feelings its the same
BBFan, VPN works! I've used it in the past to view the show on the CBS website. Mmysh, maybe you can try downloading a VPN app to view the show on CTV as BBFan has suggested. That way, you will be able to see the entire show and not the chopped up version. Lol.
Mmysh, Hope actually turned her head away from Liam after she fantasised Thomas on top of her, saying how much she wanted him, she turned her face from Liam with a look on her face that she was thinking of Thomas. Watch the scene before you make comments.
Hope is SO having feelings for Thomas and she’s clearly struggling hard against it!!! She is so torn between her principles and love for Liam and her growing feelings for Thomas.
She is so adamant she won’t be like her mum who was always “following her heart “ to the bed of another man than her current husband. It’s clear she is feeling things for Thomas that a married women shouldn’t be entertaining. Brooke even knows!
I saw Brooke flirting with Ridge, Hope was correct about it. However, Brooke has grown and showed restraint in sending him on his way alone. So well done there.
If Liam hadn’t shown up Hope would’ve told her mum about her struggle. Even Liam knows something is up. I think the fact that she was wool gathering about Thomas and then makes love to Liam in a more passionate manner than usual to try and put it from her mind says a lot about what is going on inside Hope.
Even after, when she would normally be cuddling with Liam, she can’t get out of there fast enough to go talk to her mum. That look when Liam was so excited about their intimacy and Hope looked miserable.
No one is going to convince me she doesn’t have feelings developing for Thomas.
Liam: "You were amazing. Where did that come from?" If only Liam knew that Hope was making love to him in the flesh but to Thomas in her thoughts. 😂😁
BBFan, even her own mother knows that Hope is struggling with her feelings for Thomas.
I've said on at least 2 occasions that I can remember, that Hope's insistence on being a good girl stems from the fact that she does not want to be like her mother. This is why her feelings for Thomas are driving her crazy and why she lashed out at Brooke.
Brooke is a tease but she did the right thing. Brava!
Mmysh, I hope your desperation for Steffy to cheat does not materialize with Hope cheating instead. I sense it will be very traumatic for you.
To be honest, I don't want Hope to cheat with Thomas either. For one thing, it will just prove that she's her mother's daughter (and we don't want that) but more importantly, if she and Thomas are to be together, I don't want it starting with them cheating. I want her to at least be separated from Liam first. He can move in with Bill.
😂😂😂😂 desperation 😂😂😂 Don’t mix me with you darling The description her is only in your comments wanting hope to be with the one who abused her 🤮🤮 But steffy cheating it would be fun And i like fun 😂😂😂
You could have fooled me. You post almost daily that Steffy would cheat. I could only surmise that you want it to happen really badly.
And I can recall one time that I said I want Thomas and Hope together so I'm not sure how that shows any desperation. I've said over and over again that Hope needs to set boundaries with Thomas. I've also said that IF they get together, I want it to be pure and not from cheating. If anything, I'm being patient.
Stuffy is happy and fulfilled with Finn why would she want waffle man back? He knows if Hope left him he no longer has Steffens to turn to.
We know that Paris might go for Liam after all she seems to want a posh trust fund to snuggle up with at night. Maybe as other posters have said Ivy might return???
Sorry Mmysh I don’t think Steffy is ever going back to Lame. Wishing it won’t make it so. We all know how much you hate Steffy and want her to do something bad so you write nasty things about her. So sorry to disappoint. 😬
Well tell now the spoilers are correct It no you or me to decide She already cheated twice So why not now Will see Hope was also fulfilled with her marriage too yeah sure liam is not a wuss but she was So suddenly she is having feelings for the nutjjob So everything can change So sorry to disappoint 🤭
Spoilers??? You mean the ones that constantly predict things that NEVER happen all the time!!! Those spoilers?? The guesses by bloggers who occasionally get part of it correct? I don’t bother because unless CBS releases it, it’s all conjecture at best!
For the record, Brooke sleeping with Ridge wouldn't make her a slut or a cheater and Hope has no standing to make such parallels between them. Brooke sleeping with Ridge wouldn't be cheating. They were married until Thomas interfered. They would still be married. So even if Hope is really thinking about her mother, her judgment is so out of line.
Wow! Hope really went berserk when she saw Brooke and Ridge. Has she gone MADDDD! 🤪🤪🤪🤪 Hope has always felt sure of her love for Liam, but now she is being haunted by her subconscious about Thomas👻👻👻
Apart from infuriating us with his ballessness that Aspen flashback also reminded us Ridge actually looked well until recently 😅 Ah Brooke you want you some Ridge but kudos for sending him away. I don't care about Taylor, but him waltzing in and expecting to just be taken back after what he pulled - no. Not so easily. Lol Hope. Really disappointing patterns these days. They only show she is infuriated by her own weaknesses and taking it out on everyone who loves her. I hate it when they put her in "brat Hope" mode, it's so ugly. The character can have depth also without turning into a hormonal teenager. Brooke was very good at diffusing her. Good yelling match though.
Who "they" are you referring to that's "putting her in brat mode?" 😂 😂 😂
Hope can't lash out at her husband and mother because she's conflicted about her feelings for another man without it being the fault of "they?" 😂Hope is a good girl with values so it must be "they's" fault that she's acting this way. 🤣🤣 Milla, you are too much.
Elle if it makes you feel better, here's a rewrite: "I hate it when Hope goes into brat mode." No "they". Can we move on from this oh so major issue? 😅🤦🏻♀️
That's much better, Milla. 🤣 She's not being a brat though. She's genuinely scared out of her mind about what she's feeling inside and it's causing her to react in a way she would not normally act.
Yes Elle, I agree normally she's not a brat and now she is being one 😅 she can freak out without lashing out at people who love her and only want to help her. It's ugly and annoying.
Brooke actually showed restraint twice. The first time when she asked Ridge to leave. Then when she didn't slap Hope for the way she was talking to her. But I guess she was being a good caring mother. Brooke could tell Hope was not acting like herself.
Indeed brook was always a caring person not only a mother And the big difference between hope and steffy and thomas Hope was furious thinking that her mother broke her promise to Taylor While those too were playing their mother and father very soon and again sticking their noses in their parents life
I don't even believe Hope cares that much about the pinky swear to Taylor. She has been the biggest champion of Ridge and Brooke and only encouraging her mother. She was looking for a reason to take her frustration with herself out on Brooke.
Yeah i can agree she cares for the promise to Taylor for sure but she took as an excuse to take her frustration out at brook But brook handle it very well maybe she is the one who should be the psychologist 😂😂😂
"Hope was furious thinking that her mother broke her promise to Taylor." You actually thought Hope's outburst had anything to do with Taylor's and Brooke's newfound friendship and whatever pact they made? 😂
I was happy with Brooke today. She was able to zero in on what her daughter was going through. And she can do that because she knows exactly how it is to have feelings for a man who is not her husband.
You think whatever you want elle my intentions here are not to convince you or having the care too So be my guest She doesn’t care whatever makes you happy and able to sleep at night 🥱🥱
Brooke has amazing intuition and often sees when something is going on, especially where Thomas is concerned. She knew he had something to do with her marriage imploding before there was any mention of CPS. And yes Mmysh she does show much better understanding than Taylor. Giggles should stick to her routine of forgoing work.
**Thinking to myself... 💭** Since the FFs had the intuition of Hope's feelings for Thomas even before she did, and we have a greater understanding of what Hope is going through, does it mean we (the FFs) can all be psychologists? Does it explain why the LFs can't see that Hope has feelings for Thomas? 🤔 🤔
Hope’s outburst had NOTHING to do with Braylor and everything to do with her fear that the feelings she’s having for Thomas will make her exactly like her mum!!! She was also cross because she wants to believe in all the progress Brooke has made. Seeing in lingerie, flirting with Ridge definitely doesn’t back that up.
I do believe Brooke has come a very long way but she just cannot help herself. She has to flirt with Ridge. She wants to know she still has the power to seduce him even if she doesn’t intend to follow through.
Personally I think leaving him with a painful car of blue balls is good payback for the way he treated her ending their marriage without telling her why. 😈
BBFan, Mmysh's hatred for Steffy is so strong that she forgot that it was Steffy who outed Thomas because she felt that what he did was not fair to Brooke. Brooke even thanked her and Steffy simply stated that "it was the right thing to do."
Or what about the time when Steffy confronted Sheila in the alley after finding out that she was responsible for Brooke falling off the wagon and she told Sheila that she would let Brooke know what Sheila did? Another instance of Steffy coming to Brooke's defense. I guess it's easier to blame Steffy for.... Wait. What is Mmysh blaming Steffy for?
The shiela thing wasn’t about brook but sure you will see it that way We talked about a loooot For the CPS call i already praised steffy and i did so many times when i see it fit You can go to previous comments of mine Im bored to repeat it And oh yeah i don’t like steffy That’s not news btw 😂😂😂 But as i said anything to make feel good 😊
And adding another fact about what steffy did with the CPS call thing it was great but it wasn’t for or about brook steffy’s words not mine but brook thanked her anyway which she deserved it But only to set things in its place 😊
Exactly milla none of them has the decency to tell brook the whole truth that thomas conspired with Even with his parents it just went smoothly And steffy got shot because of her brother and how she like calling people out especially when she is right If it was for brook she would have went directly to ridge or brook herself
Elle I love how Thomas is an abuser but we love Bill who blackmailed his own daughter in law with her mother shooting him to try and force her to sleep with him again, not get remarried to Liam when they were engaged after Liam found out that he was tricked into ending his marriage with Steffy etc.
Brooke emotionally abused Taylor after she escaped Prince Omar and wanted to return to her husband. Brooke told her to stay dead because it was her turn with Ridge. She hid Taylor being alive from Ridge allowing him to continue grieving for her own selfish interests. But shhhh that’s okay.
Bill and Brooke gaslighting Katie to get custody of Will was abusive too but shhhh it’s okay.
Bill has been abusive to his own sons striking them but he’s still a good guy.
What Bill did to Sheila was emotional abuse but the ends justify the means and we are happy to have him with the women on the show.
I asked it on another thread but it got deleted - how does bringing up Bill in any way change the heaviness of what Thomas has done and who he is? The whataboutism merry-go-round can go on forever because each side can throw something at the other for other characters. We have Thomas in front of our eyes now. If we have a storyline with Bill then okay let's drag his past. But it's Thomas.
Exactly milla that’s our point they can’t understand Nor bill or brook or anyone else will be involved with hope romantically So it’s irrelevant Also bringing up hope sleeping with liam while he was married to steffy Which also irrelevant and not totally correct according to the circumstances in that time Only the time they where they where making out in the dressing room But steffy used to make out with engaged liam all the time Using their method of defense 😂😂 And when beth was conceived annulment papers was already signed So that is not cheating cte
The relevance is you keep bringing up Thomas’s distant past… calling him an abuser and how sick it is if Hope is drawn to him.
At the same time you excuse other characters as bad or worse things and demand we all acknowledge they have changed etc. Yet refuse to acknowledge that Thomas could have changed.
In soapy time the dialogue has clearly stated it’s been months since all that went down.
A whole collection was previewed etc. Hope thought would be with Steffy for days not months etc. Ridge was gone for months to find himself… etc etc.
You refuse to even consider Thomas might change but we can acknowledge Brooke has etc.
Hope was living and sleeping with Liam when he was married to Steffy, all three of their marriages actually. It wasn’t a one off. Liam drew up papers that hadn’t been signed and executed yet because his dad tricked him. He was still married and if it was reversed you would be castigating Steffy for sleeping with Hope’s husband!
You throw Steffy in on a daily basis when it has nothing to do with what Hope is doing now. But if we mention other relevant info then we are giving whatisms so I am calling it hypocritical!
Oh the word hypocrisy coming from you its hilarious Where did i discussed the other characters while they are irrelevant to the ongoing storyline that something its seems you are not able to understand Or maybe its your only way for you to defend thomas’s ugly disgusting behavior Which is really weak And no the circumstances where hope slept with liam is not as you state it Im bored of repeating that since its in vain But what is hypocritical here is ok to do the what about when but not us I remember when you ised to say team sheila and praising her for what she did to brook Brook kissing deacon was her choice But steffy cheating with liam was because they drink it so much and one thing let to another crap I always avoid using these words with you guys to i will not be attacking you personally But since its ok with you I can use it on a lot of comments And yes when some fans of steffy comes bashing brook or hope for no reason while cheering for steffy even she committed the same things So yeah i will call them out Especially when they lie with events didn’t even happened just to serve their Narrative
Thank you, Milla!! I love how they try to make sooooooo many excuses for psycho Thomas who has been good (or faking it pretty well as Liam stated) for 5 minutes!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
TY Bob. I think Hope will suddenly go to Thomas and Liam will go and cry to Steffy. We're turning things back again. But I did like Hope throwing her mom down for how she deserves. The Valley girl knows that she's got Ridge around her finger. Ridge seemed like going crazy to get Brooke into bed again.
I would like to see Liam try to come between Finn and Steffy. If he runs to her, it will be to give her a piece of his mind for bringing Thomas back on Hope's line. Liam will be furious and blame Steffy for what's happening with Hope.
What is with the daily, “Steffy will cheat” ??? It’s old and not being played out on screen. Apparently any growth by a Forrester is impossible and must be ignored but growth in Logans and Spencer’s is to be venerated by all 🤮. Steffy has been showing a lot of maturity and didn’t encourage her mum to go after Ridge again.
I guess some LF cannot admit that Hope is struggling with her ever growing feelings for Thomas so deflect by targeting Steffy.
I do love how Lame the big cheat gets a free pass! He cheated on Steffy with Hope but this must never be mentioned because it will tarnish St Hope’s 😇, and we have to hear daily how Steffy cheated with Liam… talk about denigrating women how about we hold LIAM accountable for his philandering??? But of course it is all Steffy’s fault he rushed to wrong conclusions about his wife and had revenge sex with his ex wife! No talk of Liam being wrong, even if Hope had kissed Thomas, it doesn’t justify Liam sleeping with Steffy. She tried to send him home how many times before they got drunk and nakey. 😞
BBFan, you hit the nail on the head! All this Steffy hate is because of Hope and her feelings for Thomas. They can't stand the fact that Hope might (I hope she doesn't) cheat on Liam with Thomas. The Bible says that even if you look at a man/woman with lust in your eyes, you've already sinned. If we were to go by this, Hope has already cheated in her mind. And this is the problem.
Hope is clearly afraid and angry with herself for the thoughts she is having. But if she truly wants Thomas, then why not just divorce Liam and move on with Thomas??? After all, Thomas has always wanted Hope. All she has to do is give him the green light and he’d be all over that!! So let’s see….some FF’s were saying Hope would have an affair with Thomas behind Liam’s back. Others were saying she was going to get together with Thomas and dump Liam altogether. And others were simply saying that Hope has feelings for Thomas. So now Elle is gonna stick with her prediction that Hope simply has feelings for Thomas, while the other FF’s have gone silent in predicting an affair or better yet, an out in the open relationship with Thomas. Why?….Because it’s clearly NOT gonna go there. There will be no Hope / Thomas love affair. Sorry kids, it is NOT gonna happen!! I still maintain that Hope is confused as to why Thomas keeps popping into her head. Not once has Hope been happily daydreaming about Thomas. The visions come and are met with shock and anger. That’s not someone swooning over some other man. She clearly is not happy these thoughts are popping into her head. And kudos to Brooke for staying strong. I think Taylor will be the first one to sleep with Ridge. Taylor is putty in Ridge’s hands. And why is it any of Thomas’ concern how Ridge’s night with Brooke turned out??!! Keep you big meddling nose out of things, Thomas!!! Oh and I hope all you FF’s caught Thomas looking lovingly at the photo of Hope and Douglas. Why aren’t you second guessing his intentions in looking at the photo the way he did?? You should be...because Thomas has NOT changed and he’s absolutely still in love with Hope!!
Exactly lynn Im so furious at hope i don’t have the faith you have Im so disappointed with her because it’s thomas How could she after all what he put her through Giving him a chance is ok its her forgiving nature but feelings it’s absurd The way i know hope she will not cheat If she is indeed in love with him she will do it the right way but still stupid to me And the sentence she told liam about brook “she has everything to do with that” i don’t know if that means what you talked about The talk she had with brook So will see I hope i will not loss some of my respect for hope I hope they will not drag this storyline for too long Already 18th episode is not related to the ongoing drama And on 21st RJ will be joining
Hope's "shock and anger" has nothing to do with the way she feels about Thomas, Lynn. It has to do with how she feels about herself and the feelings she has for a man who is not her husband. That was made very clear in her outburst with Brooke today. Hope kept saying that SHE was not Brooke and that SHE has a loving husband and family. It is not about how she feels about Thomas, just about what those feelings are making her do (fantasize about Thomas). So of course, she is not going to be happily daydreaming, as you put it.
Regarding Thomas, he looked (not sure about lovingly - that's just your interpretation) at a photo of Hope and Douglas, his family, then he started drawing. What I got from that is that his family (not just Hope) is now his inspiration. Before, like last year, he would always say that Hope is his inspiration. He then had memories of assuring Hope that he is doing everything possible to be a good person, father, co-worker and friend and is committed to HFTF and will not mess it up. Again, his memories were not about his fixation with Hope and pleasing her or making her proud. It shows that Thomas is indeed changing since his thoughts are now different. This is important because his thoughts are private so he can't pretend to think differently. If he was still obsessed with Hope, I am sure we would have seen the usual fantasies that we were seeing last year.
And to be clear Lynn, I do want Hope and Thomas together but I want it done in the proper way. I do not want their relationship to begin with cheating or anything sordid. That's why I will keep advocating for Hope to put distance between her and Thomas. I believe we will see how she truly feels if she is not in his face all the time. We will also be able to see how Thomas handles not being around her all the time. Their feelings will become more organic that way, I believe.
Mmysh, I don’t think this will get dragged out. Mostly because I am convinced it won’t turn into anything. But the FF’s will continue to predict this mad love affair between Thomas and Hope. We are all gonna be old and grey before that ever happens! Lol. Don’t lose faith in Hope. Hope is who she is to her core. But you have a right to be upset about the very idea of Hope thinking anything like that about Thomas if she truly has feelings for her abuser as you stated. I think her thoughts are simply subconscious brought on by recent discussions she has had with people, and nothing more. And I think the fact that Hope is so disturbed by the thoughts just proves that she doesn’t have any genuine romantic feelings for Thomas. Someone that is falling in love doesn’t feel disgust with herself. She would feel happy, like she is walking on air. That is NOT what Hope is feeling.
He has the intentions to rape her ( drugged a woman to have sex with her is rape right or maybe it isn’t if the one who did it is thomas 🤡) So IF she really has a genuine feelings for his im so disappointed in her and whatever she would suffer from it it on her
Oh Elle, you are simply guessing what Thomas was thinking in looking at that photo. You have no idea what was truly on his mind. So don’t say it as fact when you have no idea. And I will not change my position on Hope’s feelings. She is disgusted that those thoughts are entering her mind at all. Not the makings for someone who has genuine loving feelings for another man.
If Hope was not married and had Brooke for a mother, she would totally feel like she is walking on air. But she is married and she is deathly afraid of walking in her mother's footsteps. If this thing between Thomas and Hope develops into something more, and Liam is no longer in the picture, I am sure we will see a happy and in love Hope. As for right now though, she's confused and afraid.
I took a peek at the spoiler page and it seems we will be having some Thomas/Hope time. Let's see what that's about.
Elle, why would Hope (assuming she is in her right mind) be walking on air thinking about Thomas??? As Mmysh has pointed out multiple times, Thomas is Hope’s ABUSER!! And any self-respecting woman would in fact be REPULSED by her abuser. And that’s makes the LF’s argument even more solid. She literally is freaked out that these thoughts are entering her mind. And she told her mom SHE IS NOTHING LIKE HER! So let’s let this play out and see where it lands.
If Hope had for example Wyatt popping into her head, she wouldn't be as terrified as she is now. Of course I have no way of knowing how it would be written, but any woman would be 10x more terrified of seeing a man who did so much damage to her family vs anyone else. So the Thomas factor is huge. Like I said befor, whatever we see her having, is growing out of a toxic wasteland. It won't turn into anything meaningful, to the most it will be a reason for Hope to hate herself more when it causes trouble in her life.
Elle and what does the Bible say about looking all giddy whenever someone mentions Hope and Liam trouble? 😂 of course I know you'll never admit Steffy puts a big botox-pulled grin on her face but we see it.
Lynn, from my recollection, Brooke never loved, wanted, or had sex with someone that she was not attracted to so, if Hope says she is not like Brooke, it has to mean that she is attracted to Thomas but is making the assertion that she will not love, want or have sex with him.
And it's crazy to think that Hope is freaked out because she is repulsed by Thomas. Her interactions with him certainly do not seem like she is repulsed by him. She refuses to set boundaries or keep her distance from him because she loves being around him. Hope is only now coming to find out that the reason she loves being around him is because she is attracted to him. Hope, by her own admission has forgiven Thomas and believes that he has changed. She has said this to both her mother and her husband. She also said that "we" are HFTF. So I am not sure why you think she is repulsed by Thomas when she has clearly put all he has done in the past. She sees Thomas as a changed man and her attraction to him is because of those changes, not because of any repulsive actions by Thomas. The only ones who are holding on to Thomas' past are Liam and the LFs. Even Brooke has said that she has seen changes in Thomas and is cautiously optimistic about him. Whatever abuse you think Thomas leveled against Hope in the past is right where it belongs - in the past, and it has nothing to do with what Hope feels for Thomas.
Milla, I did see the smile on Steffy's face when she and Ridge talked about Liam recently. However, I will have to first know what the smile is about before I can quote scripture since there are several reasons why she might be smiling. If she is smiling because every time she hears his name, she thinks about him with love being as he is her daughter's father, there is a specific scripture for that. However, if she is smiling because whenever she hears his name, she is happy at the thought that he will get what's coming to him soon if Hope dumps him then, there will be a completely different scripture for that.
I am happy though that you are interested in knowing what the Bible says.
And yes, I'm not kidding in asking if there is a Bible reference. The fact that she is smiling every time there is a mention of trouble between Hope and Liam is enough to take a good look at herself 😁 she may still smile fondly without mentioning of trouble, that's not the problem.
Exactly milla 😂😂😂 according to that sheila killed these two men or trying to kill steffy and finn should be considered as a past and she shouldn’t pay for it
The past that I keep reading about is not from 2 months ago, Milla. I keep hearing about a rape(?), don't know what that is about but if it's what I think it is when Thomas, Steffy, Hope and Liam went on vacation, that was circa 2012. I also keep hearing about Beth which we also know was years ago, not 2 months ago. And the famous 'murder of Emma' which we all know was NOT 2 months ago. As I said, the past is where it will remain - in the past.
2 months ago, we saw nothing from Thomas like what he used to do in the 'past.' All we saw was someone who was accosted by Brooke who then threatened to call CPS on Thomas and, because of that, he decided to get back at Brooke. Noone was raped, or murdered, or otherwise abused by Thomas 2 months ago.
Elle brava 👏👏👏👏. Like wrote on another post above, Bill has been abusive in multiple situations, including what he did to Sheila … that’s okay. Only Thomas is not allowed to change!
Oh yeah cabo vacation When he and his sister to get her drunk so she will sleep with him So it was two times not only one So is sleeping with a woman without her fully consent is rape or even this is changed now ???
Elle you're right - Thomas worst times weren't 2 months ago. Kudos to him for not shooting or running off anyone off the road to their death, not trying to sleep with a drugged Hope and kidnap her on a helicopter 😅 But the Thomas he's ashamed of, the one that got him fired and ousted from the family - is the one from 2 months ago.
So Mmysh, when did the rape happen in Cabo? Are you suggesting that Thomas and Hope slept together? Because as far as I know, that never happened. Rape or not.
And Thomas never slept with anyone without consent. I think you are confusing him with Ridge.
So potential rapist is fine with you 🤔🤔 Both times someone stopped him He didn’t stop out of goodness or conscious So yeah next time he may succeed So in a bar one a guy trying to put drugs in a women drink and didn’t succeed does that make him good ???
Just to remind you when he took hope for a small supposed honeymoon Vinny cam over with drugs And he was trying to put in hope’s drink But he was trying in vain to sleep with her But then Douglas called and they had to rush out
Elle, Hope is going to have that discussion with Brooke and that will start the ball rolling on sorting this out. Not feeling repulsed by him as a coworker is not the same as feeling it with regard to thinking about that person as a sexual partner. She is so freaked out that these thoughts are popping in uninvited. She knows she loves her husband and the life they have together. She wants nothing sexual with Thomas in her conscious mind!! That is why these thoughts are NOT welcome. She will NOT start a romantic relationship with Thomas. She will get back on track with Liam - hopefully soon after she talks to Brooke and Brooke helps Hope make sense of things.
Wow hope harsh words to Brooke, knowing that ur talking about urself having feelings for Thomas nice work , it won’t belong before ur in bed with Thomas , which will happen very soon
Lynn, I've said, ad nauseum, that I do not want them to sleep together while she is still married to Liam so why would I agree that they will be in bed together soon? If Hope and Liam decide to separate and he moves out of the cabin, and if that happens soon, then I will jump for joy! Happy?
Sure Elle, why wouldn’t you want Hope with the man that tried to kidnap her, and hid the fact that her daughter was alive and being raised by Steffy, and tried to kill her husband? What viewer wouldn’t want that??!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
For me lynn the things you mentioned is something small compared to the fact he almost drugged her to get into her pants or when he bargained his son for sex Not too mention how was it disgusting the way he took advantage of drunk drugged Caroline He knew back then that she took some pills and wasted but still went along with it just to come back at his father That was disgusting But its in the past right 🤔
Because Lynn, like Hope, I have a very forgiving nature and I'm always willing to believe that people can change. I've also been around people who have done far worse than Thomas and have seen them come to accept the crimes they've committed and worked toward become better people. Some of them have even started programs to help young men and women who have come out of prison and wish to turn their lives around. This is not unheard of.
And nobody on this show is perfect. Ridge killed a man and threw his body overboard, Brooke shot at Stephanie point blank trying to kill her but missed (still funny to this day, lol). Taylor shot Bill, Bill... too many to count... and the list goes on. Thomas is not the only character on this show who has done wrong yet he seems to be the only one that doesn't deserve to be a better person.
Or killing her friend while she was trying to tell her the truth And when you threatened others that you will face the same fate if the told the truth means you really did kill emma
Mmysh, Thomas did not take advantage of drunk, drugged Caroline. They were both drinking however, Thomas did not know that she had also digested some medication prior to him coming over. She did not let him know and they were both drinking and having fun which then led to sex. If it's a crime to have sex while/after drinking, the Liam raped Steffy too. Or maybe Ridge raped Brooke too when Brooke was clearly passed out from taking pills but Ridge got on top of her while she was unresponsive anyway. Where is your outcry about that?
Why do you LFs want Brooke to be with a man that ACTUALLY raped her? It was non-consensual because Brooke was totally out of it, and she was also with Nick at the time. She was not interested in having sex with Ridge at that point.
👏👏👏👏👏👏 Emma drove off the rode because she was using her mobile and watching Thomas instead of the rose. She was so upset she got behind the wheel. She should have grabbed an Uber or something. She was in no state to drive but of course it is all Thomas’s fault. By your reasoning Liam is a murderer and Bill an accessory since they hit Vinny and left without ringing emergency services to help him! But no Liam was a victim 🙄🙄🙄.
Thomas almost drugging Hope isn’t the same as doing it!
Bill had his henchie Justin throw Ridge out of a helo in an effort to kill him, had him torch Spectra, while employees were working inside, blew up Spectra knowing Liam and Sally were inside! But oh yes Thomas is evil and cannot be rehabilitated 🙄🙄🙄
Oh bbfan go watch the episode again When she drove out of the road her both hands was on the wheel her eyes were on the road He made her speed and blinded her with his car flash lights And then threatened flo zoey and zander they will face the same fate as her’s So yeah he KILLED HER BIG TIME not to mention standing up there watching her taking her last breath with a an evil smile on his face Make sure she is absolutely dead before he leaves No call for help And then went to hope like nothing happened he wasn’t even disturbed by the fact he just saw an innocent young woman taking her last breath But yeah we block all these details so we can live with the fact that we defend a murderer
Correct me if I'm wrong but Bill and Liam weren't chasing Vinny and run him off the road 😅😅 not *exactly* the same thing. And nobody is in a "state to drive" when someone is chasing them and running them off the road... You're pretty much granted to crash under these circumstances regardless of your initial "state"
Liam did not chase Vinny but he knew he hit him. He also knew that Vinny was still alive but chose not to call 911. He watched his father get rid of evidence and then left Vinny's dead body in the road and fled the scene. But you are right, it is not exactly the same thing because Thomas did not hit Emma's car at any point the way Liam actually hit Vinny.
Oh poor emma why didn’t she took a uber and what state was that exactly Wasn’t she drunk or doesn’t know how to drive Again for psycho thomas we blame the victims And no one of us never ever defend bill Actually we bashed him all the time especially when he judge others like deacon for example But again our point her which you are defending with not related events or characters Is that putting hope with her abuser Like it or not he is and a lot a lot of women fan base are disgusted with that If it wasn’t thomas it will be a matter of her only thinking about another man other than her husband Still surprising and wrong but not sick and offensive
Mmysh, Thomas did not kill or murder Emma. He failed to call 911, that's all. Emma saw Thomas behind her and pulled out her phone trying to call Hope when she should have been trying to call 911. So if we are to go by the logic that Thomas killed Emma because he did not call for help, then the same would apply to Emma. She killed herself because she failed to call for help when she felt that she was in danger. It will also apply to Liam since he also failed to call for help when he ran over Vinny in cold blood.
Chasing is chasing, shows malicious intent. Thomas left her to die too. And got rid of the evidence too. So similar circumstances but he also had malice. Plus remind me if he faced any charges? Went to jail? Confessed even? No. Bill and Liam did.
Bottom line is that hadn't she been chased, she wouldn't have died. And she has Thomas to thank. And even even if whar Bill and Liam did was the same, even if consequences were the same (they weren't) - so what?! Does this make Thomas any less guilty of that and all the other crap? What is this whataboutism supposed to achieve? Two wrongs and all?
So calling 911 will not disturb her off the road as you guys always say she was texting And him being so mean to her she had to run from him And would she die if he didn’t chase her ??? Blinded her with his car lights ?? She said are you crazy before she lost control Its so sad blaming a victim who lost her life in early age to defend such a psycho
Mmysh, the Hope fanbase is disgusted because they are holding on to what Thomas did years and years ago. They refuse to see that Thomas is not the same person he was back then so, in their eyes, Hope is falling for the man who did all those horrible things years ago. However, that is not the person she is falling for. She is falling for a man who has made great strides in not being the person that he used to be. She is falling for the man who has saved her line and is about to save it again. She is falling for the man who she is co-parenting her son with.
Sorry dear that’s doesn’t fly only with people who really want to fool themselves So ur words was how can she allow a man who did all these horrible stuff to her near her like this But now its ok to be romantically involved with her Really how that applicable And sorry dear these things do do go a way with time especially when he didn’t suffer any consequences I don’t think in real life you would let someone like him back in ur life These women who are against Not all of them a hope fan btw But they see it wrong and offensive and sick because of the nature of it Especially for the victims who suffered from abuse And even it is a silly soap it still send msg and that’s what matter to them
😂😂😂😂😂 Really bbfan give us one comment wanting bill to be with kaite Still irrelevant but i really would like where i want bill to be with kaite again 😂😂😂
BBFan - what's the point of bringing up Bill? We have Thomas in front of our eyes and whatever you say about Bill won't change anything about the heaviness of Thomas' deeds. You throw Bill in my face, I throw what Steffy has done, you throw Brooke, I throw Taylor etc. Neverending whataboutism which serves no side at all.
Emma drove off the road because she was being chased by a madman, Thomas. If Thomas had not been in hot pursuit on a dangerous mountain road going excessive speeds, Emma would not have been texting 911 trying to get help. She was being chased on a windy mountain road and was in fear for her life!!!! What a ridiculous thing to say that Emma crashed and died cuz she was texting. That leaves out so many of the key details of why she crashed, it’s not even remotely funny! And after Thomas literally ran her off the road, did he think to call 911 to report the accident??? After all, if it was Emma just simply texting and crashing, then Thomas should have been all over that 911 call to alert the medics!!!! Are you FF’s seriously saying all this with a straight face?? How do you expect us to ever take you seriously when you make ridiculous statements like you made about Emma? And Elle, because you have “a very forgiving nature” you think Hope should engage in a romantic relationship with Thomas??? So I guess that just must apply to the Forrester crew, cuz you’ve never given Brooke even an ounce of forgiveness for her past deeds. But let’s get past that point because clearly your forgiving side is literally one sided. And let’s talk about Hope and her forgiving nature when it comes to Thomas….. Sure, if Hope chooses to “forgive” Thomas for all his atrocities, that’s one thing. But forgiveness and starting up a romantic relationship with your abuser are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS!!! I can forgive someone who has wronged me, but I certainly would NOT start up a sexual / romantic relationship with that person. I’m sure as a good Christian girl, Hope was taught forgiveness is a good thing. But that doesn’t mean be AN IDIOT and take up with your abuser!!! I’m sure Dr Taylor would have some sound bits of advice on that one!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 And lastly, Thomas and Liam were fighting on the roof when crazy Thomas was trying to kidnap Hope. And I recall them getting close to the edge of the roof when they were fighting. So that was my reference to Thomas trying to kill Liam. If Liam would have gone off the roof, it would have been murder.
What is more sad was blaming emma Can you imagine She should have taken an uber What conditions exactly were she was not qualified for driving It does amaze me actually
Thank you Lynn and Mmysh for setting the record straight. Honestly the Emma story is the second one that turns my stomach most, when I read their outrageous justifications not to admit Thomas killed her. I can't believe he never has guilt about it, is never shown to even mention it.
The first one had to do with how Hope "took" Beth (some call her Phoebe even!!) from Steffy in that beautiful home of theirs 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ as if ANY of them would leave their stolen baby that they have grieved for one second longer...
Oh milla don’t remind me of the logic they have about hope talking beth Its really funny even the logic will be turned upside down when it cones to steffy or her family
Oh milla thanks dear i guess we complete each other in so many ways ❤️❤️ And please i know sometimes maybe i have some wrong grammar coz English is not my native language But im sure you understand what im saying
ALL of you Brooke supporters, have you considered Hope lashed out to her Mother because Brooke NEVER got her Counseling for being a Child born to a AFFAIR with her Daughter, Brigette, husband, Deacon, Hope Sister. Also, Brooke NEVER got Hope Counseling for Having Sex with her boyfriend, Oliver on Hope Graduation Party before Hope (VIRGIN) had sex with him!!
Elle, you are right about Brooke response to Hope,because Brooke were doing the same with Ridge, flirting and showing him what he is missing, also asking him to stay in a quest room I am glad he left!!!
So pushing back her robe and thrusting her assets and openly flirting with Ridge is what?? Brooke would be livid if it were Taylor doing that!
I’m glad she didn’t cave to Ridge but she should have gone directly upstairs and changed into clothes when she knew he was still there. Common sense tells one that hanging out in sexy lingerie with one’s ex is sending a message and it isn’t “we are just friends now.” 🙄🙄
Lol. Well let’s see, Taylor would have never had the opportunity to sleep with / live with Ridge for that time period if Thomas had not faked the CPS call. Ridge and Brooke would still be married. You ladies (FF’s) pushed back on that sooooo hard. You kept saying the marriage between Brooke and Ridge was failing anyway, and all Thomas did was give it a nudge. Well that theory has been proven to be FALSE by Ridge at least 5 times since he dumped Taylor at the alter. He has fully admitted to Brooke that he should have trusted her and talked to her before he filed for divorce. He admitted the reason they are not together now is because of what Thomas did. And yet your biggest concern is Brooke pushing her body up against his on Monday’s episode?? Now that is funny!!!! Also please note, Ridge was trying his best to seduce his Logan. But Brooke held strong!!!
Wow! Hope is scared out of her mind about what she's feeling. And Brooke called it. She knows it has to do with Thomas.
ReplyDeleteNow that Thomas' focus is not on his obsession with Hope, I'm curious to see how Hope is going to handle being around him.
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DeleteI’m wondering what we missed in the opening scene between Hope and Liam, it was cut and we didn’t see whatever was happening. I wonder was Hope thinking of Thomas again?
DeleteThomas is faking his disinterest in Hope to throw her off and make himself more appealing to her. Mr. Hard To Get
DeleteIronic isn't it? How the tables turn.
DeleteBBFan, yes, she saw Thomas on top of her instead of Liam.
DeleteSo elle she saw thomas on top of her or you did, coz i watched the episode in different channels and i didn’t saw that ??
DeleteMmysh, did you look at it on CBS? The show started with Ridge and Brooke then moved into the next scene with Liam and Hope on the sofa. They were kissing and Hope pulled away. She then saw Thomas on top of her and he asked "Are you sure you're okay?"
DeleteElle I also saw it on CBS, so no we were not imaging it Mmysh.
DeleteOf course you saw it too D 😂😂😂
DeleteFfs. No Mmysh I'm making it up. There..are you happy?
DeleteI checked Facebook and YouTube and the scene was cut out.
DeleteCTV also shows it in a different time slot. But CTV you can't stream it until the following day. It definitely happened, that's why she really freaked out. Elle soon we'll be called delusional
DeleteAGAIN
DeleteD, why would we even lie about something like that? The videos I looked at, the scene was clearly cut out.
DeleteThanks elle for looking it seems they cut a lot of stuff i saw recently a photo with steffy and finn with the strawberries i never saw this scene
DeleteNo worries, Mmysh. Hope you are able to see the full show at some point.
DeleteIt ok it seems we can’t do that in Europe
DeleteEven with app
But it’s weird why the cut some scenes
Cheers Elle, well I thought that would happen lol guess we FF are correct occasionally 🤭🤭
Delete@Mmysh And it's a major scene. It explains why Hope rushed over to Brooke's and started acting the way she was acting.
DeleteGood for you dear Bbfan since that’s so important to you 😊
DeleteI hope it Happens more often then since it makes you happy 😊
Elle it in indeed so its stupid to cut it while its the most important scene in the whole episode
DeleteMaybe it was a Hope supporter who did the editing. 😂😂
DeleteMaybe 😊
DeleteSo according to that all the channels are a supporters of her’s 😂😂😂
Which a good thing 😊
🤣🤣🤣🤣. I have nothing to say. Night everyone.
DeleteI still maintain that cutting the Steffy and Finn strawberries scene was Bob being merciful to us already gagging 😅
DeleteBtw I still maintain that cutting the Steffy and Finn strawberries scene was Bob being merciful to us already gagging 😅
Delete@Mmysh Na. I think one person does the editing and makes it available for other sites to use it. I say so because the scene is cut out at the exact same spot in all of the videos I looked at. Even on this one that Bob has uploaded.
DeleteElle CTV.ca has the full episode without cutting out the opening scene.
DeleteOh you are serious 😂😂
DeleteLol I used VPN to watch on CTV. Hope opens her eyes during love making and sees Thomas and says, “I want you so much” and goes back to making love with Liam while looking away from him.
DeleteWow, no wonder she is so quick to run off after to talk with her mum!
Hint set VPN to show Canada as your origin and you can watch free with adverts
DeleteBbfan its seems you are an expert with analysis
DeleteBut usually people do the kissing or being intimate with closed eyes
That doesn’t mean she was imagining thomas 🤮 all the time
Did you saw the movie unfaithful
Its so different because that women was really in love with the guy
And hope being disgusted of herself or because she is having these images or feelings its the same
BBFan, VPN works! I've used it in the past to view the show on the CBS website. Mmysh, maybe you can try downloading a VPN app to view the show on CTV as BBFan has suggested. That way, you will be able to see the entire show and not the chopped up version. Lol.
DeleteMmysh, Hope actually turned her head away from Liam after she fantasised Thomas on top of her, saying how much she wanted him, she turned her face from Liam with a look on her face that she was thinking of Thomas. Watch the scene before you make comments.
DeleteAs i said it seems you are the expert here
DeleteShe was fighting it not enjoying it
Does that makes a difference ??
Hope is SO having feelings for Thomas and she’s clearly struggling hard against it!!!
ReplyDeleteShe is so torn between her principles and love for Liam and her growing feelings for Thomas.
She is so adamant she won’t be like her mum who was always “following her heart “ to the bed of another man than her current husband. It’s clear she is feeling things for Thomas that a married women shouldn’t be entertaining.
Brooke even knows!
I saw Brooke flirting with Ridge, Hope was correct about it. However, Brooke has grown and showed restraint in sending him on his way alone. So well done there.
If Liam hadn’t shown up Hope would’ve told her mum about her struggle. Even Liam knows something is up. I think the fact that she was wool gathering about Thomas and then makes love to Liam in a more passionate manner than usual to try and put it from her mind says a lot about what is going on inside Hope.
Even after, when she would normally be cuddling with Liam, she can’t get out of there fast enough to go talk to her mum. That look when Liam was so excited about their intimacy and Hope looked miserable.
No one is going to convince me she doesn’t have feelings developing for Thomas.
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DeleteWell said! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteLiam: "You were amazing. Where did that come from?" If only Liam knew that Hope was making love to him in the flesh but to Thomas in her thoughts. 😂😁
BBFan, even her own mother knows that Hope is struggling with her feelings for Thomas.
I've said on at least 2 occasions that I can remember, that Hope's insistence on being a good girl stems from the fact that she does not want to be like her mother. This is why her feelings for Thomas are driving her crazy and why she lashed out at Brooke.
Brooke is a tease but she did the right thing. Brava!
It wasn't Liam she had sex with in her mind it was Thomas
ReplyDeleteThank you Bob xxxx
Those is coming but will it be end of Sinn too
😂😂😂 oh mandy your wish will come true your precious steffy will cheat again
DeleteBut sure not hope 😂😂
Who is Steffy going to cheat with?
DeleteLet us wait and see
DeleteMmysh, I hope your desperation for Steffy to cheat does not materialize with Hope cheating instead. I sense it will be very traumatic for you.
DeleteTo be honest, I don't want Hope to cheat with Thomas either. For one thing, it will just prove that she's her mother's daughter (and we don't want that) but more importantly, if she and Thomas are to be together, I don't want it starting with them cheating. I want her to at least be separated from Liam first. He can move in with Bill.
😂😂😂😂 desperation 😂😂😂
DeleteDon’t mix me with you darling
The description her is only in your comments wanting hope to be with the one who abused her 🤮🤮
But steffy cheating it would be fun
And i like fun 😂😂😂
You could have fooled me. You post almost daily that Steffy would cheat. I could only surmise that you want it to happen really badly.
DeleteAnd I can recall one time that I said I want Thomas and Hope together so I'm not sure how that shows any desperation. I've said over and over again that Hope needs to set boundaries with Thomas. I've also said that IF they get together, I want it to be pure and not from cheating. If anything, I'm being patient.
Stuffy is happy and fulfilled with Finn why would she want waffle man back? He knows if Hope left him he no longer has Steffens to turn to.
DeleteWe know that Paris might go for Liam after all she seems to want a posh trust fund to snuggle up with at night. Maybe as other posters have said Ivy might return???
Sorry Mmysh I don’t think Steffy is ever going back to Lame. Wishing it won’t make it so. We all know how much you hate Steffy and want her to do something bad so you write nasty things about her. So sorry to disappoint. 😬
Exactly BBFan.
DeleteWell tell now the spoilers are correct
DeleteIt no you or me to decide
She already cheated twice
So why not now
Will see
Hope was also fulfilled with her marriage too yeah sure liam is not a wuss but she was
So suddenly she is having feelings for the nutjjob
So everything can change
So sorry to disappoint 🤭
Spoilers??? You mean the ones that constantly predict things that NEVER happen all the time!!! Those spoilers?? The guesses by bloggers who occasionally get part of it correct? I don’t bother because unless CBS releases it, it’s all conjecture at best!
DeleteOh the old days 😂😂😂 but thes some sometimes it’s enough
DeleteAs i said will see
For the record, Brooke sleeping with Ridge wouldn't make her a slut or a cheater and Hope has no standing to make such parallels between them. Brooke sleeping with Ridge wouldn't be cheating. They were married until Thomas interfered. They would still be married. So even if Hope is really thinking about her mother, her judgment is so out of line.
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DeleteBtw BBFAN I know it was an autocorrect but that "Stuffy" and "Steffens" in a sentence defending her made me lol 😂
DeleteLol that auto spell hates Steffy lol it always changes it to something different 😂🤣😂🤣
DeleteYour autocorrect ain't her fan 😂😂 I approve 🤣
DeleteWow! Hope really went berserk when she saw Brooke and Ridge. Has she gone MADDDD! 🤪🤪🤪🤪 Hope has always felt sure of her love for Liam, but now she is being haunted by her subconscious about Thomas👻👻👻
DeleteApart from infuriating us with his ballessness that Aspen flashback also reminded us Ridge actually looked well until recently 😅
ReplyDeleteAh Brooke you want you some Ridge but kudos for sending him away. I don't care about Taylor, but him waltzing in and expecting to just be taken back after what he pulled - no. Not so easily.
Lol Hope. Really disappointing patterns these days. They only show she is infuriated by her own weaknesses and taking it out on everyone who loves her.
I hate it when they put her in "brat Hope" mode, it's so ugly. The character can have depth also without turning into a hormonal teenager.
Brooke was very good at diffusing her.
Good yelling match though.
Indeed milla spot on
DeleteWho "they" are you referring to that's "putting her in brat mode?" 😂 😂 😂
DeleteHope can't lash out at her husband and mother because she's conflicted about her feelings for another man without it being the fault of "they?" 😂Hope is a good girl with values so it must be "they's" fault that she's acting this way. 🤣🤣 Milla, you are too much.
Elle if it makes you feel better, here's a rewrite: "I hate it when Hope goes into brat mode." No "they". Can we move on from this oh so major issue? 😅🤦🏻♀️
DeleteThat's much better, Milla. 🤣 She's not being a brat though. She's genuinely scared out of her mind about what she's feeling inside and it's causing her to react in a way she would not normally act.
DeleteBrava Elle!!
DeleteHope is acting out of character and even Lame blind Liam had finally noticed something isn’t as it ought to be!
Yes Elle, I agree normally she's not a brat and now she is being one 😅 she can freak out without lashing out at people who love her and only want to help her. It's ugly and annoying.
DeleteBrooke actually showed restraint twice. The first time when she asked Ridge to leave. Then when she didn't slap Hope for the way she was talking to her. But I guess she was being a good caring mother. Brooke could tell Hope was not acting like herself.
ReplyDeleteSpot on about Brooke's restraint not to smack her and her ability to understand the turmoil Hope is in. Hope owes Brooke an apology.
DeleteIndeed brook was always a caring person not only a mother
DeleteAnd the big difference between hope and steffy and thomas
Hope was furious thinking that her mother broke her promise to Taylor
While those too were playing their mother and father very soon and again sticking their noses in their parents life
I don't even believe Hope cares that much about the pinky swear to Taylor. She has been the biggest champion of Ridge and Brooke and only encouraging her mother. She was looking for a reason to take her frustration with herself out on Brooke.
DeleteYeah i can agree she cares for the promise to Taylor for sure but she took as an excuse to take her frustration out at brook
DeleteBut brook handle it very well maybe she is the one who should be the psychologist 😂😂😂
"Hope was furious thinking that her mother broke her promise to Taylor."
DeleteYou actually thought Hope's outburst had anything to do with Taylor's and Brooke's newfound friendship and whatever pact they made? 😂
I was happy with Brooke today. She was able to zero in on what her daughter was going through. And she can do that because she knows exactly how it is to have feelings for a man who is not her husband.
You think whatever you want elle my intentions here are not to convince you or having the care too
DeleteSo be my guest
She doesn’t care whatever makes you happy and able to sleep at night 🥱🥱
Brooke has amazing intuition and often sees when something is going on, especially where Thomas is concerned. She knew he had something to do with her marriage imploding before there was any mention of CPS. And yes Mmysh she does show much better understanding than Taylor. Giggles should stick to her routine of forgoing work.
Delete**Thinking to myself... 💭**
DeleteSince the FFs had the intuition of Hope's feelings for Thomas even before she did, and we have a greater understanding of what Hope is going through, does it mean we (the FFs) can all be psychologists? Does it explain why the LFs can't see that Hope has feelings for Thomas? 🤔 🤔
Elle you are spot on, ignore the nasty gibes.
DeleteOh bnfan 😂😂😂
DeleteHope’s outburst had NOTHING to do with Braylor and everything to do with her fear that the feelings she’s having for Thomas will make her exactly like her mum!!! She was also cross because she wants to believe in all the progress Brooke has made. Seeing in lingerie, flirting with Ridge definitely doesn’t back that up.
DeleteI do believe Brooke has come a very long way but she just cannot help herself. She has to flirt with Ridge. She wants to know she still has the power to seduce him even if she doesn’t intend to follow through.
Personally I think leaving him with a painful car of blue balls is good payback for the way he treated her ending their marriage without telling her why. 😈
Case not car 🤭
DeleteAs i said Bbfan whatever you like 👍
DeleteBBFan, Mmysh's hatred for Steffy is so strong that she forgot that it was Steffy who outed Thomas because she felt that what he did was not fair to Brooke. Brooke even thanked her and Steffy simply stated that "it was the right thing to do."
DeleteOr what about the time when Steffy confronted Sheila in the alley after finding out that she was responsible for Brooke falling off the wagon and she told Sheila that she would let Brooke know what Sheila did? Another instance of Steffy coming to Brooke's defense. I guess it's easier to blame Steffy for.... Wait. What is Mmysh blaming Steffy for?
The shiela thing wasn’t about brook but sure you will see it that way
DeleteWe talked about a loooot
For the CPS call i already praised steffy and i did so many times when i see it fit
You can go to previous comments of mine
Im bored to repeat it
And oh yeah i don’t like steffy
That’s not news btw 😂😂😂
But as i said anything to make feel good 😊
And since you mentioned the ally think
DeleteWhose fault was that of keeping Sheila’s secret 😂😂😂😂
And adding another fact about what steffy did with the CPS call thing it was great but it wasn’t for or about brook steffy’s words not mine but brook thanked her anyway which she deserved it
DeleteBut only to set things in its place 😊
Or what about that time Thomas conspired with Sheila which led Steffy to confront her in the first place?
DeleteExactly milla none of them has the decency to tell brook the whole truth that thomas conspired with
DeleteEven with his parents it just went smoothly
And steffy got shot because of her brother and how she like calling people out especially when she is right
If it was for brook she would have went directly to ridge or brook herself
Hold up. So now it's Thomas' fault that Steffy got shot? How do you figure?
DeleteSo he himself thought its his fault but still you don’t agree 😂😂
DeleteElle I love how Thomas is an abuser but we love Bill who blackmailed his own daughter in law with her mother shooting him to try and force her to sleep with him again, not get remarried to Liam when they were engaged after Liam found out that he was tricked into ending his marriage with Steffy etc.
DeleteBrooke emotionally abused Taylor after she escaped Prince Omar and wanted to return to her husband. Brooke told her to stay dead because it was her turn with Ridge. She hid Taylor being alive from Ridge allowing him to continue grieving for her own selfish interests. But shhhh that’s okay.
Bill and Brooke gaslighting Katie to get custody of Will was abusive too but shhhh it’s okay.
Bill has been abusive to his own sons striking them but he’s still a good guy.
What Bill did to Sheila was emotional abuse but the ends justify the means and we are happy to have him with the women on the show.
Apparently only Thomas is irredeemable on B&B!
😂😂😂 so is bill or brook the ones will be with hope now romantically
DeleteDid we miss something 🤔🤔
So are Thomas' deeds dirty only because he wants to be with Hope? Maybe we missed something. 🤔
DeleteSo does that make justified
Delete😂😂😂 its seems it does for you
So can we say this about sheila just wanting to be with her son and grandson
No, Thomas deeds are dirty because he's evil 😁
DeleteI asked it on another thread but it got deleted - how does bringing up Bill in any way change the heaviness of what Thomas has done and who he is? The whataboutism merry-go-round can go on forever because each side can throw something at the other for other characters. We have Thomas in front of our eyes now. If we have a storyline with Bill then okay let's drag his past. But it's Thomas.
DeleteExactly milla that’s our point they can’t understand
DeleteNor bill or brook or anyone else will be involved with hope romantically
So it’s irrelevant
Also bringing up hope sleeping with liam while he was married to steffy
Which also irrelevant and not totally correct according to the circumstances in that time
Only the time they where they where making out in the dressing room
But steffy used to make out with engaged liam all the time
Using their method of defense 😂😂
And when beth was conceived annulment papers was already signed
So that is not cheating cte
The relevance is you keep bringing up Thomas’s distant past… calling him an abuser and how sick it is if Hope is drawn to him.
DeleteAt the same time you excuse other characters as bad or worse things and demand we all acknowledge they have changed etc. Yet refuse to acknowledge that Thomas could have changed.
In soapy time the dialogue has clearly stated it’s been months since all that went down.
A whole collection was previewed etc. Hope thought would be with Steffy for days not months etc. Ridge was gone for months to find himself… etc etc.
You refuse to even consider Thomas might change but we can acknowledge Brooke has etc.
Hope was living and sleeping with Liam when he was married to Steffy, all three of their marriages actually. It wasn’t a one off. Liam drew up papers that hadn’t been signed and executed yet because his dad tricked him. He was still married and if it was reversed you would be castigating Steffy for sleeping with Hope’s husband!
You throw Steffy in on a daily basis when it has nothing to do with what Hope is doing now. But if we mention other relevant info then we are giving whatisms so I am calling it hypocritical!
Oh the word hypocrisy coming from you its hilarious
DeleteWhere did i discussed the other characters while they are irrelevant to the ongoing storyline that something its seems you are not able to understand
Or maybe its your only way for you to defend thomas’s ugly disgusting behavior
Which is really weak
And no the circumstances where hope slept with liam is not as you state it
Im bored of repeating that since its in vain
But what is hypocritical here is ok to do the what about when but not us
I remember when you ised to say team sheila and praising her for what she did to brook
Brook kissing deacon was her choice
But steffy cheating with liam was because they drink it so much and one thing let to another crap
I always avoid using these words with you guys to i will not be attacking you personally
But since its ok with you
I can use it on a lot of comments
And yes when some fans of steffy comes bashing brook or hope for no reason while cheering for steffy even she committed the same things
So yeah i will call them out
Especially when they lie with events didn’t even happened just to serve their
Narrative
When I see Thomas go one year without creating some sort of (usually illegal) mess I'll acknowledge. You bringing up Bill won't shorten that time 😅
DeleteThank you, Milla!! I love how they try to make sooooooo many excuses for psycho Thomas who has been good (or faking it pretty well as Liam stated) for 5 minutes!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteTY Bob.
ReplyDeleteI think Hope will suddenly go to Thomas and Liam will go and cry to Steffy.
We're turning things back again. But I did like Hope throwing her mom down for how she deserves.
The Valley girl knows that she's got Ridge around her finger. Ridge seemed like going crazy to get Brooke into bed again.
😂😂😂😂 hope will not cheat but let see your precious steffy 😂😂😂
DeleteAnd speaking of the girl from The Valley 😂😂😂 oh god when a steffy fan call brook that 🤮🤮
I would like to see Liam try to come between Finn and Steffy. If he runs to her, it will be to give her a piece of his mind for bringing Thomas back on Hope's line. Liam will be furious and blame Steffy for what's happening with Hope.
DeleteLook! You said it again. 🤔
DeleteWhat is with the daily, “Steffy will cheat” ??? It’s old and not being played out on screen. Apparently any growth by a Forrester is impossible and must be ignored but growth in Logans and Spencer’s is to be venerated by all 🤮. Steffy has been showing a lot of maturity and didn’t encourage her mum to go after Ridge again.
DeleteI guess some LF cannot admit that Hope is struggling with her ever growing feelings for Thomas so deflect by targeting Steffy.
I do love how Lame the big cheat gets a free pass! He cheated on Steffy with Hope but this must never be mentioned because it will tarnish St Hope’s 😇, and we have to hear daily how Steffy cheated with Liam… talk about denigrating women how about we hold LIAM accountable for his philandering??? But of course it is all Steffy’s fault he rushed to wrong conclusions about his wife and had revenge sex with his ex wife! No talk of Liam being wrong, even if Hope had kissed Thomas, it doesn’t justify Liam sleeping with Steffy. She tried to send him home how many times before they got drunk and nakey. 😞
Yeah and i didn’t waste any ink ✍️ can you imagine that 😂😂😂
DeleteAnd thanks for telling me i didn’t notice 😂😂
BBFan, you hit the nail on the head! All this Steffy hate is because of Hope and her feelings for Thomas. They can't stand the fact that Hope might (I hope she doesn't) cheat on Liam with Thomas. The Bible says that even if you look at a man/woman with lust in your eyes, you've already sinned. If we were to go by this, Hope has already cheated in her mind. And this is the problem.
DeleteWhatever make you happy elle 😂😂😂 i don’t even need to read the comments same content 😂😂
DeleteHope is clearly afraid and angry with herself for the thoughts she is having. But if she truly wants Thomas, then why not just divorce Liam and move on with Thomas??? After all, Thomas has always wanted Hope. All she has to do is give him the green light and he’d be all over that!! So let’s see….some FF’s were saying Hope would have an affair with Thomas behind Liam’s back. Others were saying she was going to get together with Thomas and dump Liam altogether. And others were simply saying that Hope has feelings for Thomas. So now Elle is gonna stick with her prediction that Hope simply has feelings for Thomas, while the other FF’s have gone silent in predicting an affair or better yet, an out in the open relationship with Thomas. Why?….Because it’s clearly NOT gonna go there. There will be no Hope / Thomas love affair. Sorry kids, it is NOT gonna happen!! I still maintain that Hope is confused as to why Thomas keeps popping into her head. Not once has Hope been happily daydreaming about Thomas. The visions come and are met with shock and anger. That’s not someone swooning over some other man. She clearly is not happy these thoughts are popping into her head.
DeleteAnd kudos to Brooke for staying strong. I think Taylor will be the first one to sleep with Ridge. Taylor is putty in Ridge’s hands. And why is it any of Thomas’ concern how Ridge’s night with Brooke turned out??!! Keep you big meddling nose out of things, Thomas!!!
Oh and I hope all you FF’s caught Thomas looking lovingly at the photo of Hope and Douglas. Why aren’t you second guessing his intentions in looking at the photo the way he did?? You should be...because Thomas has NOT changed and he’s absolutely still in love with Hope!!
Exactly lynn
DeleteIm so furious at hope i don’t have the faith you have
Im so disappointed with her because it’s thomas
How could she after all what he put her through
Giving him a chance is ok its her forgiving nature but feelings it’s absurd
The way i know hope she will not cheat
If she is indeed in love with him she will do it the right way but still stupid to me
And the sentence she told liam about brook “she has everything to do with that” i don’t know if that means what you talked about
The talk she had with brook
So will see
I hope i will not loss some of my respect for hope
I hope they will not drag this storyline for too long
Already 18th episode is not related to the ongoing drama
And on 21st RJ will be joining
Hope's "shock and anger" has nothing to do with the way she feels about Thomas, Lynn. It has to do with how she feels about herself and the feelings she has for a man who is not her husband. That was made very clear in her outburst with Brooke today. Hope kept saying that SHE was not Brooke and that SHE has a loving husband and family. It is not about how she feels about Thomas, just about what those feelings are making her do (fantasize about Thomas). So of course, she is not going to be happily daydreaming, as you put it.
DeleteRegarding Thomas, he looked (not sure about lovingly - that's just your interpretation) at a photo of Hope and Douglas, his family, then he started drawing. What I got from that is that his family (not just Hope) is now his inspiration. Before, like last year, he would always say that Hope is his inspiration. He then had memories of assuring Hope that he is doing everything possible to be a good person, father, co-worker and friend and is committed to HFTF and will not mess it up. Again, his memories were not about his fixation with Hope and pleasing her or making her proud. It shows that Thomas is indeed changing since his thoughts are now different. This is important because his thoughts are private so he can't pretend to think differently. If he was still obsessed with Hope, I am sure we would have seen the usual fantasies that we were seeing last year.
And to be clear Lynn, I do want Hope and Thomas together but I want it done in the proper way. I do not want their relationship to begin with cheating or anything sordid. That's why I will keep advocating for Hope to put distance between her and Thomas. I believe we will see how she truly feels if she is not in his face all the time. We will also be able to see how Thomas handles not being around her all the time. Their feelings will become more organic that way, I believe.
Mmysh, I don’t think this will get dragged out. Mostly because I am convinced it won’t turn into anything. But the FF’s will continue to predict this mad love affair between Thomas and Hope. We are all gonna be old and grey before that ever happens! Lol.
DeleteDon’t lose faith in Hope. Hope is who she is to her core. But you have a right to be upset about the very idea of Hope thinking anything like that about Thomas if she truly has feelings for her abuser as you stated. I think her thoughts are simply subconscious brought on by recent discussions she has had with people, and nothing more. And I think the fact that Hope is so disturbed by the thoughts just proves that she doesn’t have any genuine romantic feelings for Thomas. Someone that is falling in love doesn’t feel disgust with herself. She would feel happy, like she is walking on air. That is NOT what Hope is feeling.
He has the intentions to rape her ( drugged a woman to have sex with her is rape right or maybe it isn’t if the one who did it is thomas 🤡)
DeleteSo IF she really has a genuine feelings for his im so disappointed in her and whatever she would suffer from it it on her
Oh Elle, you are simply guessing what Thomas was thinking in looking at that photo. You have no idea what was truly on his mind. So don’t say it as fact when you have no idea.
DeleteAnd I will not change my position on Hope’s feelings. She is disgusted that those thoughts are entering her mind at all. Not the makings for someone who has genuine loving feelings for another man.
If Hope was not married and had Brooke for a mother, she would totally feel like she is walking on air. But she is married and she is deathly afraid of walking in her mother's footsteps. If this thing between Thomas and Hope develops into something more, and Liam is no longer in the picture, I am sure we will see a happy and in love Hope. As for right now though, she's confused and afraid.
DeleteI took a peek at the spoiler page and it seems we will be having some Thomas/Hope time. Let's see what that's about.
So elle it seems you like to believe those spoilers
DeleteRead more let us see if you believe the rest
That would be fair i guess
Elle, why would Hope (assuming she is in her right mind) be walking on air thinking about Thomas??? As Mmysh has pointed out multiple times, Thomas is Hope’s ABUSER!! And any self-respecting woman would in fact be REPULSED by her abuser. And that’s makes the LF’s argument even more solid. She literally is freaked out that these thoughts are entering her mind. And she told her mom SHE IS NOTHING LIKE HER! So let’s let this play out and see where it lands.
DeleteIf Hope had for example Wyatt popping into her head, she wouldn't be as terrified as she is now. Of course I have no way of knowing how it would be written, but any woman would be 10x more terrified of seeing a man who did so much damage to her family vs anyone else. So the Thomas factor is huge. Like I said befor, whatever we see her having, is growing out of a toxic wasteland. It won't turn into anything meaningful, to the most it will be a reason for Hope to hate herself more when it causes trouble in her life.
DeleteElle and what does the Bible say about looking all giddy whenever someone mentions Hope and Liam trouble? 😂 of course I know you'll never admit Steffy puts a big botox-pulled grin on her face but we see it.
DeleteLynn, from my recollection, Brooke never loved, wanted, or had sex with someone that she was not attracted to so, if Hope says she is not like Brooke, it has to mean that she is attracted to Thomas but is making the assertion that she will not love, want or have sex with him.
DeleteAnd it's crazy to think that Hope is freaked out because she is repulsed by Thomas. Her interactions with him certainly do not seem like she is repulsed by him. She refuses to set boundaries or keep her distance from him because she loves being around him. Hope is only now coming to find out that the reason she loves being around him is because she is attracted to him. Hope, by her own admission has forgiven Thomas and believes that he has changed. She has said this to both her mother and her husband. She also said that "we" are HFTF. So I am not sure why you think she is repulsed by Thomas when she has clearly put all he has done in the past. She sees Thomas as a changed man and her attraction to him is because of those changes, not because of any repulsive actions by Thomas. The only ones who are holding on to Thomas' past are Liam and the LFs. Even Brooke has said that she has seen changes in Thomas and is cautiously optimistic about him. Whatever abuse you think Thomas leveled against Hope in the past is right where it belongs - in the past, and it has nothing to do with what Hope feels for Thomas.
Milla, I did see the smile on Steffy's face when she and Ridge talked about Liam recently. However, I will have to first know what the smile is about before I can quote scripture since there are several reasons why she might be smiling. If she is smiling because every time she hears his name, she thinks about him with love being as he is her daughter's father, there is a specific scripture for that. However, if she is smiling because whenever she hears his name, she is happy at the thought that he will get what's coming to him soon if Hope dumps him then, there will be a completely different scripture for that.
DeleteI am happy though that you are interested in knowing what the Bible says.
"Thomas' past", you mean all way back 2 months ago? 😅 That's not "past", that's the time between pattern.
DeleteAnd yes, I'm not kidding in asking if there is a Bible reference. The fact that she is smiling every time there is a mention of trouble between Hope and Liam is enough to take a good look at herself 😁 she may still smile fondly without mentioning of trouble, that's not the problem.
DeleteExactly milla 😂😂😂 according to that sheila killed these two men or trying to kill steffy and finn should be considered as a past and she shouldn’t pay for it
DeleteThe past that I keep reading about is not from 2 months ago, Milla. I keep hearing about a rape(?), don't know what that is about but if it's what I think it is when Thomas, Steffy, Hope and Liam went on vacation, that was circa 2012. I also keep hearing about Beth which we also know was years ago, not 2 months ago. And the famous 'murder of Emma' which we all know was NOT 2 months ago. As I said, the past is where it will remain - in the past.
Delete2 months ago, we saw nothing from Thomas like what he used to do in the 'past.' All we saw was someone who was accosted by Brooke who then threatened to call CPS on Thomas and, because of that, he decided to get back at Brooke. Noone was raped, or murdered, or otherwise abused by Thomas 2 months ago.
Elle brava 👏👏👏👏. Like wrote on another post above, Bill has been abusive in multiple situations, including what he did to Sheila … that’s okay. Only Thomas is not allowed to change!
DeleteOh yeah cabo vacation
DeleteWhen he and his sister to get her drunk so she will sleep with him
So it was two times not only one
So is sleeping with a woman without her fully consent is rape or even this is changed now ???
DeleteElle you're right - Thomas worst times weren't 2 months ago. Kudos to him for not shooting or running off anyone off the road to their death, not trying to sleep with a drugged Hope and kidnap her on a helicopter 😅 But the Thomas he's ashamed of, the one that got him fired and ousted from the family - is the one from 2 months ago.
So Mmysh, when did the rape happen in Cabo? Are you suggesting that Thomas and Hope slept together? Because as far as I know, that never happened. Rape or not.
DeleteAnd Thomas never slept with anyone without consent. I think you are confusing him with Ridge.
So potential rapist is fine with you
Delete🤔🤔
Both times someone stopped him
He didn’t stop out of goodness or conscious
So yeah next time he may succeed
So in a bar one a guy trying to put drugs in a women drink and didn’t succeed does that make him good ???
Just to remind you when he took hope for a small supposed honeymoon
DeleteVinny cam over with drugs
And he was trying to put in hope’s drink
But he was trying in vain to sleep with her
But then Douglas called and they had to rush out
Elle, Hope is going to have that discussion with Brooke and that will start the ball rolling on sorting this out. Not feeling repulsed by him as a coworker is not the same as feeling it with regard to thinking about that person as a sexual partner. She is so freaked out that these thoughts are popping in uninvited. She knows she loves her husband and the life they have together. She wants nothing sexual with Thomas in her conscious mind!! That is why these thoughts are NOT welcome. She will NOT start a romantic relationship with Thomas. She will get back on track with Liam - hopefully soon after she talks to Brooke and Brooke helps Hope make sense of things.
DeleteWow hope harsh words to Brooke, knowing that ur talking about urself having feelings for Thomas nice work , it won’t belong before ur in bed with Thomas , which will happen very soon
ReplyDeleteHope's beside herself with guilt.
DeleteOh Unknown - you are so wrong!! There will be no Hope and Thomas in bed together.
DeleteElle, I don’t see you agreeing with Unknown. Not willing to commit to the sex between Hope and Thomas that your fellow FF is predicting?? Lol
DeleteOmg u no nothing bro
DeleteLynn, I've said, ad nauseum, that I do not want them to sleep together while she is still married to Liam so why would I agree that they will be in bed together soon? If Hope and Liam decide to separate and he moves out of the cabin, and if that happens soon, then I will jump for joy! Happy?
DeleteSure Elle, why wouldn’t you want Hope with the man that tried to kidnap her, and hid the fact that her daughter was alive and being raised by Steffy, and tried to kill her husband? What viewer wouldn’t want that??!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteHey, bro…it is clearly you who knows nothing!
DeleteDon’t be sad lynn sweetie
DeleteYou would be like john snow he knows nothing too 😂😂😂
For me lynn the things you mentioned is something small compared to the fact he almost drugged her to get into her pants or when he bargained his son for sex
DeleteNot too mention how was it disgusting the way he took advantage of drunk drugged Caroline
He knew back then that she took some pills and wasted but still went along with it just to come back at his father
That was disgusting
But its in the past right 🤔
Because Lynn, like Hope, I have a very forgiving nature and I'm always willing to believe that people can change. I've also been around people who have done far worse than Thomas and have seen them come to accept the crimes they've committed and worked toward become better people. Some of them have even started programs to help young men and women who have come out of prison and wish to turn their lives around. This is not unheard of.
DeleteAnd nobody on this show is perfect. Ridge killed a man and threw his body overboard, Brooke shot at Stephanie point blank trying to kill her but missed (still funny to this day, lol). Taylor shot Bill, Bill... too many to count... and the list goes on. Thomas is not the only character on this show who has done wrong yet he seems to be the only one that doesn't deserve to be a better person.
Btw, when did Thomas try to kill Liam?
DeleteOr killing her friend while she was trying to tell her the truth
DeleteAnd when you threatened others that you will face the same fate if the told the truth means you really did kill emma
Mmysh, Thomas did not take advantage of drunk, drugged Caroline. They were both drinking however, Thomas did not know that she had also digested some medication prior to him coming over. She did not let him know and they were both drinking and having fun which then led to sex. If it's a crime to have sex while/after drinking, the Liam raped Steffy too. Or maybe Ridge raped Brooke too when Brooke was clearly passed out from taking pills but Ridge got on top of her while she was unresponsive anyway. Where is your outcry about that?
DeleteWhy do you LFs want Brooke to be with a man that ACTUALLY raped her? It was non-consensual because Brooke was totally out of it, and she was also with Nick at the time. She was not interested in having sex with Ridge at that point.
Delete👏 👏 👏 Elle
Delete👏👏👏👏👏👏 Emma drove off the rode because she was using her mobile and watching Thomas instead of the rose. She was so upset she got behind the wheel. She should have grabbed an Uber or something. She was in no state to drive but of course it is all Thomas’s fault. By your reasoning Liam is a murderer and Bill an accessory since they hit Vinny and left without ringing emergency services to help him! But no Liam was a victim 🙄🙄🙄.
DeleteThomas almost drugging Hope isn’t the same as doing it!
Bill had his henchie Justin throw Ridge out of a helo in an effort to kill him, had him torch Spectra, while employees were working inside, blew up Spectra knowing Liam and Sally were inside! But oh yes Thomas is evil and cannot be rehabilitated 🙄🙄🙄
Oh bbfan go watch the episode again
DeleteWhen she drove out of the road her both hands was on the wheel her eyes were on the road
He made her speed and blinded her with his car flash lights
And then threatened flo zoey and zander they will face the same fate as her’s
So yeah he KILLED HER BIG TIME
not to mention standing up there watching her taking her last breath with a an evil smile on his face
Make sure she is absolutely dead before he leaves
No call for help
And then went to hope like nothing happened he wasn’t even disturbed by the fact he just saw an innocent young woman taking her last breath
But yeah we block all these details so we can live with the fact that we defend a murderer
Correct me if I'm wrong but Bill and Liam weren't chasing Vinny and run him off the road 😅😅 not *exactly* the same thing.
DeleteAnd nobody is in a "state to drive" when someone is chasing them and running them off the road... You're pretty much granted to crash under these circumstances regardless of your initial "state"
And bbfan if thomas was not guilty why dod he deleted the GPS records of his car
DeleteLiam did not chase Vinny but he knew he hit him. He also knew that Vinny was still alive but chose not to call 911. He watched his father get rid of evidence and then left Vinny's dead body in the road and fled the scene. But you are right, it is not exactly the same thing because Thomas did not hit Emma's car at any point the way Liam actually hit Vinny.
DeleteOh poor emma why didn’t she took a uber and what state was that exactly
DeleteWasn’t she drunk or doesn’t know how to drive
Again for psycho thomas we blame the victims
And no one of us never ever defend bill
Actually we bashed him all the time especially when he judge others like deacon for example
But again our point her which you are defending with not related events or characters
Is that putting hope with her abuser
Like it or not he is and a lot a lot of women fan base are disgusted with that
If it wasn’t thomas it will be a matter of her only thinking about another man other than her husband
Still surprising and wrong but not sick and offensive
Mmysh, Thomas did not kill or murder Emma. He failed to call 911, that's all. Emma saw Thomas behind her and pulled out her phone trying to call Hope when she should have been trying to call 911. So if we are to go by the logic that Thomas killed Emma because he did not call for help, then the same would apply to Emma. She killed herself because she failed to call for help when she felt that she was in danger. It will also apply to Liam since he also failed to call for help when he ran over Vinny in cold blood.
DeleteChasing is chasing, shows malicious intent. Thomas left her to die too. And got rid of the evidence too. So similar circumstances but he also had malice. Plus remind me if he faced any charges? Went to jail? Confessed even? No. Bill and Liam did.
DeleteBottom line is that hadn't she been chased, she wouldn't have died. And she has Thomas to thank. And even even if whar Bill and Liam did was the same, even if consequences were the same (they weren't) - so what?! Does this make Thomas any less guilty of that and all the other crap? What is this whataboutism supposed to achieve? Two wrongs and all?
DeleteSo calling 911 will not disturb her off the road as you guys always say she was texting
DeleteAnd him being so mean to her she had to run from him
And would she die if he didn’t chase her ???
Blinded her with his car lights ??
She said are you crazy before she lost control
Its so sad blaming a victim who lost her life in early age to defend such a psycho
And can we consider sheila is honest of droving LI to the water and almost killed her ??
DeleteMmysh, the Hope fanbase is disgusted because they are holding on to what Thomas did years and years ago. They refuse to see that Thomas is not the same person he was back then so, in their eyes, Hope is falling for the man who did all those horrible things years ago. However, that is not the person she is falling for. She is falling for a man who has made great strides in not being the person that he used to be. She is falling for the man who has saved her line and is about to save it again. She is falling for the man who she is co-parenting her son with.
DeleteSorry dear that’s doesn’t fly only with people who really want to fool themselves
DeleteSo ur words was how can she allow a man who did all these horrible stuff to her near her like this
But now its ok to be romantically involved with her
Really how that applicable
And sorry dear these things do do go a way with time especially when he didn’t suffer any consequences
I don’t think in real life you would let someone like him back in ur life
These women who are against
Not all of them a hope fan btw
But they see it wrong and offensive and sick because of the nature of it
Especially for the victims who suffered from abuse
And even it is a silly soap it still send msg and that’s what matter to them
Yet you all want Bill and Katie together after he abused her and gaslighted her, threatened and blackmailed her. Hypocrites much?
Delete😂😂😂😂😂 Really bbfan give us one comment wanting bill to be with kaite
DeleteStill irrelevant but i really would like where i want bill to be with kaite again 😂😂😂
BBFan - what's the point of bringing up Bill? We have Thomas in front of our eyes and whatever you say about Bill won't change anything about the heaviness of Thomas' deeds. You throw Bill in my face, I throw what Steffy has done, you throw Brooke, I throw Taylor etc. Neverending whataboutism which serves no side at all.
DeleteEmma drove off the road because she was being chased by a madman, Thomas. If Thomas had not been in hot pursuit on a dangerous mountain road going excessive speeds, Emma would not have been texting 911 trying to get help. She was being chased on a windy mountain road and was in fear for her life!!!! What a ridiculous thing to say that Emma crashed and died cuz she was texting. That leaves out so many of the key details of why she crashed, it’s not even remotely funny!
DeleteAnd after Thomas literally ran her off the road, did he think to call 911 to report the accident??? After all, if it was Emma just simply texting and crashing, then Thomas should have been all over that 911 call to alert the medics!!!!
Are you FF’s seriously saying all this with a straight face?? How do you expect us to ever take you seriously when you make ridiculous statements like you made about Emma?
And Elle, because you have “a very forgiving nature” you think Hope should engage in a romantic relationship with Thomas??? So I guess that just must apply to the Forrester crew, cuz you’ve never given Brooke even an ounce of forgiveness for her past deeds. But let’s get past that point because clearly your forgiving side is literally one sided. And let’s talk about Hope and her forgiving nature when it comes to Thomas…..
Sure, if Hope chooses to “forgive” Thomas for all his atrocities, that’s one thing. But forgiveness and starting up a romantic relationship with your abuser are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS!!! I can forgive someone who has wronged me, but I certainly would NOT start up a sexual / romantic relationship with that person. I’m sure as a good Christian girl, Hope was taught forgiveness is a good thing. But that doesn’t mean be AN IDIOT and take up with your abuser!!! I’m sure Dr Taylor would have some sound bits of advice on that one!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
And lastly, Thomas and Liam were fighting on the roof when crazy Thomas was trying to kidnap Hope. And I recall them getting close to the edge of the roof when they were fighting. So that was my reference to Thomas trying to kill Liam. If Liam would have gone off the roof, it would have been murder.
What is more sad was blaming emma
DeleteCan you imagine
She should have taken an uber
What conditions exactly were she was not qualified for driving
It does amaze me actually
Mmysh, some of their justifications are so completely ridiculous, they aren’t even worth responding to. They know it too. They just play dumb. Lol
DeleteThank you Lynn and Mmysh for setting the record straight. Honestly the Emma story is the second one that turns my stomach most, when I read their outrageous justifications not to admit Thomas killed her. I can't believe he never has guilt about it, is never shown to even mention it.
DeleteThe first one had to do with how Hope "took" Beth (some call her Phoebe even!!) from Steffy in that beautiful home of theirs 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ as if ANY of them would leave their stolen baby that they have grieved for one second longer...
Oh milla don’t remind me of the logic they have about hope talking beth
DeleteIts really funny even the logic will be turned upside down when it cones to steffy or her family
I know. That's why I'm so glad we have your photographic memory and Lynn's ability to place it together and say spot on thing at our side.
DeleteOh milla thanks dear i guess we complete each other in so many ways ❤️❤️
DeleteAnd please i know sometimes maybe i have some wrong grammar coz English is not my native language
But im sure you understand what im saying
Ah Mmysh 🤗 it's not mine either! That's why I delete so many of my comments to edit after the fact 😅 but of course I understand you!
DeleteWell, methinks the lady doth protest too much...
ReplyDeleteALL of you Brooke supporters, have you considered Hope lashed out to her Mother because Brooke NEVER got her Counseling for being a Child born to a AFFAIR with her Daughter, Brigette, husband, Deacon, Hope Sister. Also, Brooke NEVER got Hope Counseling for Having
ReplyDeleteSex with her boyfriend, Oliver on Hope Graduation Party before Hope (VIRGIN) had sex with him!!
Oh are you a Taylor steffy fans bashing brook about men 😂😂😂 really 🥱🥱🥱
DeleteElle, you are right about Brooke response to Hope,because Brooke were doing the same with Ridge, flirting and showing him what he is missing, also asking him to stay in a quest room I am glad he left!!!
ReplyDeleteBrooke was just talking that's it . Hope needs to work on her eavesdrop skills
ReplyDeleteSo pushing back her robe and thrusting her assets and openly flirting with Ridge is what?? Brooke would be livid if it were Taylor doing that!
DeleteI’m glad she didn’t cave to Ridge but she should have gone directly upstairs and changed into clothes when she knew he was still there. Common sense tells one that hanging out in sexy lingerie with one’s ex is sending a message and it isn’t “we are just friends now.” 🙄🙄
Lol. Well let’s see, Taylor would have never had the opportunity to sleep with / live with Ridge for that time period if Thomas had not faked the CPS call. Ridge and Brooke would still be married. You ladies (FF’s) pushed back on that sooooo hard. You kept saying the marriage between Brooke and Ridge was failing anyway, and all Thomas did was give it a nudge. Well that theory has been proven to be FALSE by Ridge at least 5 times since he dumped Taylor at the alter. He has fully admitted to Brooke that he should have trusted her and talked to her before he filed for divorce. He admitted the reason they are not together now is because of what Thomas did. And yet your biggest concern is Brooke pushing her body up against his on Monday’s episode?? Now that is funny!!!!
DeleteAlso please note, Ridge was trying his best to seduce his Logan. But Brooke held strong!!!
Exactly Lynn!
DeleteThanks Bob. Thomas is messing with Hopes head, all this I have changed, want to be a better man ... rubbish. It's all a Thomas plan !
ReplyDeleteYou got that right!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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