That's the Liam that is pushing Hope away. He says (with a tone 😆) " I want to trust my wife's instincts" he doesn't and "I don't want to be a controlling husband" which he is. Hope is trying so hard to convince herself, she might want to ask Thomas for the name of his therapist.
Liam finally admitted it. He doesn't trust his wife and feels that he has to be the one to prevent her from making a mistake or lapse in judgement.
I think Hope is falling for Thomas more and more. She actually had a smile on her face while thinking about him and no longer seems scared out of her mind at those thoughts.
Elle, what in the world are you talking about??? Liam went on and on and on to Steffy about his concerns about THOMAS, NOT HOPE!! And what you got out of that conversation is that he doesn’t trust Hope??? Again, you absolutely kill me!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Throughout the entire conversation about Liam’s concerns about Thomas, I think Hope’s name came up all of once. And all Liam said was…”I want to trust Hope’s instincts.” Clearly Liam was referring to wanting Hope to use good judgement in ‘booting Thomas to the curb for any inappropriate behavior’ that Thomas may exhibit. And literally every other thing Liam said to Steffy during that lengthy discussion was related to his concerns that Thomas may start up his old tricks sooner rather than later!!!
Lynn I agree he doesn't. He's worried about Hope, not jealous and can't imagine what she's thinking. But that may end up being not so good. I remember that face he had when Steffy admitted she cheated with his father. I'll never forget that face, it broke my heart for him :/ ( was amazing acting btw) I think even a kiss between them may send him to terrible places only because it's with the worst man he can imagine.
Milla, I wasn’t watching then, but I completely agree that would break Liam. Like you said…he despises Thomas so that would make something like that much worse.
Yeah lynn you should go back and watch that episode Omg he and steffy was amazing Even she you feel heart broken for her too when he leaves And she when he found out phoebe is beth
Oh my dearest Lynn, Liam said "I want to trust Hope's instincts. I do not want to be a controlling husband." Seems you forgot to include the follow up of what Liam said. And it's important because they go hand in hand. What Liam was saying is that he would love to trust in Hope and what she thinks about Thomas RATHER THAN always having to tell her that Thomas is bad and that she should stay away from him. Liam clearly does not trust Hope where Thomas is concerned and has some serious reservations about what is really going on with her. You see, he cannot, for the life of him, understand why Hope keeps letting Thomas in. He has already said in the past that he wonders if she is really attracted to him and I believe, that is why he does not trust her around Thomas and feels he has to keep telling her that she should not be as close to him as she is.
This can also be proven in the fact that he has absolutely no issues about them co-parenting. Why is that? Because he is around when that happens and has control over that situation. When Hope is at work, he has zero control and gets uneasy. Liam is at Forrester more often than he is at his own place of work. What does that say?
Btw I remember one time Hope was wearing a particularly ugly pant suit and someone (maybe Brooklover) commented she looked like Stanley Ipkiss 🤣 I still chuckle.
Milla also the same pink dress which was wearing for thoms 😂😂😂 In the pictures on the show official page on FB she was wearing the same one but with like wine 🍷 color and with jewelry and hair Its was around the events with Douglas or something like So to whom she was wearing that almost identical dress 😂 As i said before from now on even if hope ate a hot soup it will be because it reminds her with hot thomas 😂😂😂
Elle I think what Liam said can be understood like this "I don't want to be a controlling husband" to mean "I don't want to become a controlling husband". He has said a lot of times he trusts *her* and nothing has happened (from his perspective) to change his trust. Plus, "trust her instincts" means "instincts about Thomas and his supposedly changed character". If he was lacking trust in Hope herself he wouldn't mention instincts. What he doesn't trust is that Hope (due to her nature) sees clearly Thomas and will detect in a timely way a danger he may present.
Yes, you're right. Even though Liam has wondered if Hope might be attracted to Thomas, I don't think the thought that Hope will cheat on him with Thomas has even entered his mind. He is still grappling with the absurdity that Hope even entertains Thomas, much less to be attracted to him enough to cheat. Lol.
It can never happen…. Mmm hmmm . Hope seriously needs to talk this out with someone she trusts. Clearly her feelings for Thomas are being more intrusive in her daily life.
I saw Thomas being completely appropriate and others are seeing it at the office etc.
I remember last year when Thomas was the one daydreaming about Hope and he had to remind himself that he couldn't have those thoughts. The shoe is on the other foot now.
@Elizabeth You're right. Someone is going to pick up on it soon.
Brava ladies! Milla let’s hope not she’s sooo obnoxious. Paris will be making a play for Liam next… he’s a Spencer with a big trust fund so perfect target for her. She always has Zende on back up too. 😂
I’m not sure why Paris is so involved with HFTF anyway. Isn’t she meant to be running the Forrester Foundation?? Surely that keeps her busy. We’ve seen her modelling for fittings, consulting on designs etc. Huh? Wow that four year Social Work degree covers a lot of disciplines 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I think she's sth like a PR? But you're right she's in everything 🤦🏻♀️ The foundation is about giving and the line about earning so I can understand Steffy allocating resources based on priorities 😅 I still don't understand why Thomas is living with her. If he wants to share a tiny space with a giggly woman so much, he can move in with Taylor 😅 (sorry, it was right there), at least he'll have the beach there.
Nice co-parenting moments between Steffy and Liam 😊the "...is he okay?" was so funny though. And so was the "✋🏽okay". But he should take down the worry.
Thomas is being really exemplary I must say. He definitely seems to be making an effort and the word "humbled" fits well. But who's this new chick who "sees a change in him"? I see a change in where her face didn't use to be 😅
Ah Hope Hope 😁 🙈 you are determined to make it hard for your fans to support you and your commitment 🤣
Yeah milla its true she is making it hard because for us its hard and impossible to support the wrong especially in this especially in this specific case a victim with her abuser She can’t be that stupid and naive So its hard indeed unlike some who doesn’t have issues supporting murder, using kids in sex bargain etc 😂😂😂😂
Let's see how it unfolds, I still find it unlikely that anything will come out of it. It was interesting she seemed to enjoy the memories with Thomas but is terrified by the hallucinations. I want more storylines 😩... This one is so tired, I think I start to not care if she gets together with Thomas or not.
This humbled Thomas is even more handsome! Wow! Those dimples. 😍😍
Liam still sees Hope as the young and naive girl who he met all those years ago. He doesn't see how she has matured and come into her own. Normally, I would say that he needs to see her as a mature adult and trust her completely (as he should) but knowing how she feels about Thomas, 🤭🤭 I have to agree with BBFan, maybe Hope has "outgrown" Liam. 🤷🏻♀️
I agree milla we need some new storyline without offensive sick content Im actually like you if now its times for couples splitting up Coz they stayed together more than usual But not thomASS ( i saw this in FB today and it was funny) Not him because of what he presents his hope’s character arc and storyline No women in her right mind will have feelings for her abuser Forgive yes, support his recovery sure but falling for him that not stable So will see as you said
Milla how about Hummis heheh 🤭🤭🤭 Usually when they say it can never happen… it surely will! I wonder how long they play this out for??
It’s probably fun for AN to get to play Hole with a bad girl side instead of Ms Goody. She can try to add some complexity to the character. I could never stick KM too bloody whiny lol but AN is growing on me.
D, spot on. Liam is pushing her away. Whether he means to or not. His lack of trust could actually give her more power to rationalise her feelings for Thomas.
Steffy should be honest and tell Liam, yes you are controlling and “that” husband… he totally overreacted to what was a comical situation. It definitely didn’t help his marriage any.
Milla she’s like the characters on Star Trek that aren’t part of the core team and always die on whatever mission they are on 😂😂😂😂. I guess she’s a HFTF content writer from what I was hearing today?? Maybe on the PR or advertising end of things?
😂 😂 Just maybe Thomas will take a liking to whoever she is after Hope telling him he should find time to date. When Hope caves in and wants Thomas he might reject her. Somebody somewhere said they read Hope is going to end up getting hurt.
Hahah I know Elle, I didn’t mean it as something negative from your side, more that we’ve had the Liam conversation in previous episode and I think we shouldn’t waste our time with more of it but rather see how things develop 😀🤗
No steffy how could say that about liam 😂😂😂 he is nothing like that 😂😂
And its so funny that the day before you found the love with your brother you almost started the hair pulling battle But the day after oh you changed come back to work i know how to force hope to take you back Yeah a day and a half is enough 😂😂😂😂 How lame and ridiculous 😂😂😂
I find it uncalled for what Hope is thinking and saying and Thomas seems controllable. Hope what's wrong with you??? The less I see this new Taylor the better it is. She is so uncontrollable with her giggles and talking with her hands!
Y'all cannot tell me that Hope wasn't way dressed up today. 🤔 And what was with her trying to find out if Thomas is dating anyone then, when she was satisfied that he wasn't, she started happily fantasizing about him.
I would love to see her put the moves on Thomas and he tells her he can't because she's married to Liam.
Hope was dressed up today?? Wow, you are truly imagining things. I didn’t even think that dress was attractive. That is literally the type of dress she always wears!! Very business like / professional. He rear end is not hanging out and it’s a very flowy loose fitting skirt. What are you talking about ???
And why do u think hope asked Thomas if he’s dating omg no one knows nothing it’s cause she wants him to herself are you blind or what , geez can’t wait till that happens and then I’ll say told u, wow can’t believe u can’t see that.
Give me a dang break, Unknown! She is telling him to GO DATE!!! I’m not gonna keep repeating myself. If she wanted to date him / or be with him in any capacity she would NOT ENCOURAGE him to start dating and tell him that a few dates with some woman will not prevent him from making progress on his recovery!! And by the way, why don’t you identify your profile with an actual name!! Then when I WIN this I can tell you (currently the nameless person) how right I was!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We all know you can’t trust the spoilers. So as I said, I will be happy to prove you wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ridge leaving the show. I noticed you got real quiet when I brought that up earlier. Lol
Heheheheh "she wants him to herself", then maybe she's applying reverse psychology by suggesting women and encouraging him to date? Don't think so. She just wants to see him with another woman so that it helps her get rid of those visions.
I also heard that’s why he left the show for a while to be with his family that’s probly what they meant so I was right that he did leave the show , and they decided for him not to leave permanently. So I was right once again
Unknown, why are you making stuff up when I can so easily prove you wrong? It just makes you look bad! Your words were “Ridge has left the show permanently.” But we all know Ridge is back - alive and well. Quit trying to twist things! Just admit you were WRONG!!!!
I’ve been right all along like Sheila was alive and running to deacon that day , and plus that deacon was in it all along as well , if I remember correct ur the one saying deacon was not involved when indeed he was , so that’s a loss for you and a win for me and many more to come
Unknown, you are so damn comical! We ALL guessed Sheila was still alive. And we all guessed she would run straight to Deacon!! There is nothing that makes you unique in that regard. I’m not sure what you are looking to get here…the GOLD STAR??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 At least I had the guts to admit I guessed wrong about Deacon being involved in the sting operation. You LOVED throwing that up in my face and I didn’t even snark back at you. I simply admitted I was wrong. But you don’t even have the guts to admit you were wrong on Ridge leaving the show. And I’m simply not gonna play that game. I prefer to interact with people who have integrity. So go to town with all your ridiculousness!! It’s just gonna make it that much more sweet when you lose on the Hope prediction!! Go find someone else to argue with - cuz you and I are done here!
Who’s arguing I’m not arguing only making a point and when I said ridge was leaving I honestly thought for good but that’s when i said he went away only to be with his family cause that’s wat I read and they must’ve changed there minds to keep him on still , so I’m not arguing at all , all good
My dearest Lynn, Hope does not always dress that way. At first, she used to wear those ugly loose fitting dresses that were not complimentary to her at all. When the wardrobe department finally decided to spruce her up, she started wearing pants suits at the office or pants and blouses like that very pretty sheer number she had on 2 weeks ago. She is NOT in the habit of wearing these long flowy, plunging neckline dresses that she had on over the past 2 days. Her hair is also usually loose or pulled back in a ponytail. But now, her hair is being styled differently. However, we will have to agree to disagree on this. 😊
Regarding Hope asking Thomas about his dating life and encouraging him to date. I believe that she was trying to figure out where his head was at in regards to dating. She was quite pleased with his response that he was not dating and had no interest in it since his focus was on HFTF. That is why, as soon as he left and she was alone, she started thinking about him with a big ole smile on her face. Does that say "I would love for Thomas to start dating another woman that is not me?" She was even remembering her thoughts of making love to and kissing Thomas! I would love to see Thomas actually start to date and what Hope's reaction would be. I can assure you that she will not be happy about it. She might pretend to be supportive of him dating but deep down inside, she will not be happy about it.
The thing is Lynn, Hope has been looking at Thomas differently since last year. It is why she admitted to finding him attractive. It is why she looked forward to spending nights with him, Douglas and Beth over at Eric's. There was absolutely no concern for her husband back then. It is also why, after everyone had left the HFTF launch after party, she stayed at Eric's alone with Thomas and allowed him to move in for a kiss. She could have left when everyone else had left and gone home to her husband. She could have also stopped Thomas from moving in for the kiss. What's interesting is that last year, they showed the fantasies that Thomas was having in his head but it was not until recently, that they showed that Hope was also caught up (since last year) with Thomas' hands on her body during one of their fittings. Hope has been attracted to Thomas since last year. The reason she is fighting it now is because those feelings are becoming stronger and stronger. And if I am to take a guess, if Hope does finally come clean about her feelings, she will admit to when those feelings truly started. And I am certain, her feelings did not come out of the blue just in a few weeks after Thomas returned to the line a changed man.
Elle, having admiration for someone…personally or professionally…does not equate to ‘falling in love.’ Who cares if Hope thinks Thomas has changed?? It does not mean that she should or would fall in love with just anyone she respects. That’s absurd! I know I am a broken record, but you are too on the opposite side of the fence on this subject. I’m still convinced nothing will happen with Thomas and Hope, and she will be back to living ‘happily ever after’ with Liam. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t condone Liam’s cheating that he has done on Hope. Liam needed a serious slap down!! And I also didn’t like how Brooke was pushing Hope to forgive Liam so easily. A mother would never / should never do that!! But I do think Hope and Liam are destined to be together. Much like Brooke and Ridge. However, I actually don’t want Brooke to take Ridge back. No way!!!!
Thomas has very small hands. I will leave it there with that statement. 🤣🤣🤣 So aside from Steffy telling Liam what a wonderful husband he is, when did Liam tell Steffy he is worried about Hope doing the wrong thing?? Some of the FF’s said that about today’s episode. But I didn’t hear any such comment from Liam. He only said he had concerns about Thomas. And for someone who is supposedly lusting to be with Thomas, Hope sure is perfectly fine with him starting up a relationship with another woman. If she wanted him for herself, why would she suggest he start dating the model that’s been hitting on him at FC, or anyone else for that matter??? Not the words of a woman who wants Thomas for herself!! I also like how Hope referred to them as “crazy thoughts.” Exactly what I’ve been calling them. Even she realizes they are crazy!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 And why is Thomas going on and on about his past feelings for Hope? That shouldn’t even be a discussion they are having. Should be 100% business. But Thomas loves to take it down a personal road and talk about the obsession he “used” to have for Hope. To me, it’s just setting the stage for him to tell Hope one day soon….”No one compares to YOU, Hope! You are the only woman for me!!!”
I'm going to say one thing and leave it there. Did anyone else not hear Liam saying he wants to trust Hope? To me if he's asking that he doesn't trust her. He's always barging in to check on her even when she goes to talk to her mum. He doesn't want to be controlling? Which is really what he's doing. And Hope is deflecting her feelings in that conversation but soo curious to see if he is dating. Sorry Lynn feel like I'm watching a different show.
D - I simply make my assessment based on what I read. You have ALWAYS defended Colly, BBFAN and Elle. You go out of your way to defend them in fact. If you were as “objective” as you say, you wouldn’t act so one sided. That’s my take on it. It’s not that Liam doesn’t trust Hope as far as cheating is concerned. Liam doesn’t trust Hope to be objective when it comes to Thomas because he thinks she misses the warning signs from Thomas because Hope ALWAYS sees the very best in people and always forgives. To be clear, Liam has zero concerns that Hope is thinking about Thomas in a sexual way or that she would ever cheat on him. He’s simply worried that Hope won’t pick up on the signs that Thomas is obsessing about her again.
She told him he should date, D. Not sure how that can be misconstrued. Hope told Thomas….”A date or two won’t prevent you from making progress.” And she even gave him suggestions as to people he could date. Doesn’t sound like the words of a woman who wants him for herself. Lol.
D - aside from Liam going up to the main house in a recent episode after she ran out of the cabin after they just had sex, just when is Liam “Always barging in whenever Hope is talking to her mom.” ???? I can’t think of any other example. So for you to say he does that he “always” does that is ridiculous!!
He's always barging in to check on her,,, even when she goes to talk to her Mum. I should have added that comma there. Many times he has left whoever he was talking to at the time to run to FC to check in on her and obviously at the wrong time, sees things and immediately jumps to a conclusion.
I always defend Colly, Bbfan and Elle? They don't need defending. Maybe because they can converse in conversation civilly without rude, insulting personal attacks on people who have a different opinion.
Lynn, Hope does realize her thoughts about Thomas are crazy, but did you see the big smile on her face at those crazy thoughts? 😊 And I am sure she will have those crazy thoughts again very soon. She just can't seem to help herself. 😊 The heart wants what it wants, Lynn. The dilemma here is whether Hope's morals and values are willing or not willing to support what her heart wants. That is the war that is going on inside of her. Follow her heart or follow what is right.
You can try as much as you want to flip what Liam said about trusting Hope, Lynn but it does not get any clearer than "I want to trust Hope's instincts. I do not want to be a controlling husband." He has even had this same conversation with Wyatt and sought his brother's opinion on whether he was being too controlling or not. Liam's conflicted about trusting his wife completely where Thomas is concerned, which would mean letting go of his fears or trying to exert control over her by constantly reminding her about all that Thomas has done to them. Bottom line, where Thomas is concerned, Liam does not trust Hope one bit! 😊
Liam does trust ‘Hope around Thomas’ and he said that to Steffy countless times over the past 2 days episodes. He simply does not trust ‘Thomas around Hope.’ If Hope keeps acting like she’s been taken over by the ‘invasion of the body snatchers’, then I’m sure Liam will start to question his wife. But current state…he ABSOLUTELY TRUSTS Hope! He has no concerns she would cheat on him with Thomas. Sorry, busy day and evening so will need to keep my comments brief
D - I never stated that Colly, Elle or BBFAN needed defending. I simply said that is what you always do..,defend them! Lol You used to do it CONSTANTLY a couple years ago. But now that Colly no longer posts, you have dialed it back some. But funny thing is - you do still do it. In fact just yesterday or the day before you wrapped yourself into a pretzel apologizing to Elle for accidentally including her name in a snarky comment you made to Mmysh, Milla and myself. You’ve always thought of yourself as the body guard for some strange reason. But I always just laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.
Btw, above Elle and I settled the difference between trusting instincts and trusting that Hope won't betray him. I think that's how you Lynn also understand it (so did I)
Milla, ahhhh yes, I absolutely thought Elle was saying that Liam didn’t trust his wife’s ability to be faithful when it comes to Thomas. But if she is actually saying Liam just doesn’t trust Hope’s instincts with regard to Thomas, then heck yeah! I definitely agree with that!
Ok so worst case scenario for Hope....she is drawn in by Thomas and his bs, she betrays Liam with Thomas. Not a good situation by any stretch of the imagination and entirely our of character for Hope. Now let`s image that we are having this same conversation about Steffy! She has had no issue with stepping out on her relationships/marriages/other peoples marriages. All the FF`s have convenient memories of what has gone on previously with Steffy and for that matter Taylor. Both have had illicit affairs with married men. Oh yes I hear you FF`s, "but what about Brookes affairs in the past," well here`s a newsflash, I`m not talking about Brooke, I`m talking about Hope!! I just know that there will be the normal sh.. about Hope being with Liam when he was with Steffy. Well you leave yourself wide open to this when you sleep with your father in law and when you don`t know who the father of your BABIES are!!
Indeed We all know why this sudden “care” for hope 😂😂 its not fooling anyone And its so funny how liam used to be the best ever This description for hope to cheat so steffy will not be standing in that category alone for their generation
And for hope how stupid and naive she is The flashbacks you should be having is absolutely not these flashbacks Maybe the ones how he feed on your grieving or how he offered his son for sex or chasing you in the company after trying to force himself on you We can’t blame you for the disgusting ugly things you don’t know about Maybe she have a brain tumor 😂😂😂😂 (how lame that would be 😂) No sane woman and in her right mind will have feelings for her abuser 🤮
I don't see anyone advocating for Hope to cheat. Some of us want her and Thomas to be together and others have stated that something will happen between them soon, but noone has stated unequivocally that "we want Hope to cheat on Liam."
But reading Maur's post and the response by Mmysh, it has dawned on me that the main upset with this storyline is that Hope may indeed cheat and then, she would be no better than Steffy.
😂😂😂 oh elle indeed since you know not only the characters real intentions but the posters also For you yes you made it clear you don’t want hope to cheat i will take your word for it and believe it since you said something you should do with others when they say something about how they feel or see things or why they said things Anyway even if hope cheat she will never be like steffy She needs a total change in character and decades to follow her record But no that is not our concern Our concern is being with her abuser And second ruin and betray her beliefs and principles which we love her because of it We don’t want to loss respect for her Because it matter to us Not like others we support our favorite character in murder, cheat manipulation etc and even worse find lame excuses So no steffy being a cheater doesn’t concern us with hope situation its hope’s character and she presents Sure you will not believe coz you know better i know But anyway i have to clarify this out of respect not only for us also for you But sure you are welcome to analyze it there will be no surprise hearing no that’s not why we are worried
Or should i reply to you with why you have to reply or attack anyone who has a negative comment about steffy Since as you said you don’t But here we go But no that’s doesn’t concern me I believe you have the right to comment Its just a little note of what you said to me Another note when someone post wrong or false information we will set the record straight And that is not a negative comment that’s a lie to serve certain narratives Or bashing a character for something but defending another for the same actions That’s when we reply
Did you feel attacked in the comment I posted? I did not make any personal jabs toward you but here you are, as usual, lashing out at me for a simple comment I made that was anti-Hope. And it really wasn't even anti-Hope. But, whatever.
It wasn’t anti hope it was anti steffy The comments we‘ve made Time after time you just proves you read my comments while preparing an answer without really reading it Its seems i always have to explain You said that you don’t reply to anti steffy comments while i do to posts with negative things about hope So replying to us here what we can call that Something negative about steffy and you give us a piece of your mind And when someone twist some events and mention hall of what happened to serve their narrative and telling them you forget something maybe due to selective memory i saw a lot of that description from both sides Even so it wasn’t addressed to you but you came at me with why you have to do this and that So i was making a point but it seems it didn’t came through But as i see it is So please next time would you please take a deeper look to my comments so i don’t have to explain time after time Or you don’t read it at all or mentioning me that would be ok with me as well
No i said it is not my native language But i didn’t say its not good I understand your comment perfectly Coz if i don’t i read it again then think of a reply Not just take a look at it while preparing what i want to reply So it seems you didn’t understand what i meant which is also fine
Elle, I can only speak for myself, not the other Hope fans…But I will say that if Hope cheats with Thomas, it will have absolutely nothing to do with my feelings for Steffy or any kind of Hope / Steffy comparison. The two women are like day and night. This isn’t about Steffy, this is about Hope! If she truly goes there with someone who has been as god-awful to Hope and her family as Thomas has been, then I will honestly lose all respect for her. There will be no excuse that could justify that!!! Thomas should seem like a monster to her for the things he has put her and her family through. And as I said in a previous comment, forgiveness is one thing…but starting up any kind of romance with Thomas is where I say - absolutely NOT!!! I will no longer be a Hope fan if she crosses that line. And for the record, I still don’t think she will. And please notice - I DID NOT MENTION the WRITERS even once in my statement!! Lol
I feel similarly but also want some excitement and if Thope 😅 leads to some exciting storyline, I would be up for that. Hope crushing on him is a new angle so it’s possible… And I don’t mind pointing out Hope has never cheated while Steffy’s both kids had to be tested for paternity for that reason 😂 that’s a good "ammunition" 🤣
Milla, that’s too funny about Steffy needing paternity tests for both of her kids. 😂😂😂 I know it’s a soap, and I get that they have to add excitement and intrigue by having everyone sleep with everyone….but if Hope does it, it will seem like her whole character would need to change. I guess that makes me sad because I like the version of Hope we have now. If Hope and Thomas get together that’s just gonna ruin it for me. Mmysh was the one who originally pointed out that Thomas is Hope’s abuser. And that’s soooooo true!! What kind of ‘love story’ couples you up with your abuser?? It’s just sick and wrong if you ask me. So I’m still holding out hope that it won’t happen, and this is all much ado about nothing! That ending to this storyline would make me happy! Lol
Elle, just because you don’t want Hope to “cheat” doesn’t mean that your fellow FF’s feel the same. I have read multiple comments on the blog from FF’s who are all for Hope ‘cheating’! Not sure how you missed that. Lol Well as I’m sure you know, I don’t want Hope to cheat. And I don’t want Hope with Thomas in any romantic capacity EVER!!! She needs to think of him as a stepbrother who has always been troubled, and who is ‘hopefully’ on a path to getting his sh*t together…for a little while anyway…till he screws up again. A love story between Thomas and Hope is cringeworthy / barf worthy!! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Exactly lynn Actually not only me a lot and a lot of fans on the social media From both sides forrester fans logen fans even none of the families They all have so much issues with him being her abuser Not all care about her cheating or leave her marriage Its this principle only But only a few cheering for this and can’t wait and obviously we know why
Lynn that's totally understandable. To me it's also because Liam is such a devoted husband who developed tremendously because of her and it's so unwarranted to do this to him. I see people pointing out how he basically has no right to expect anything considering his former waffling. But isn't the point of a relationship to do better, to grow together and not to one up each other every 5 years? Maybe that's what their haters want - to have their relationship fall apart as a "revenge" that he chose Hope and committed to her. I for one hope it doesn't happen and that they come out again stronger like after everything Thomas and Steffy did in the past trying to split them.
“ Hope had to listen from Taylor, Steffy, Thomas, Stephanie and many others harsh words about her mother all of her life. It came to the point that she got scared of having sex. She was almost raped. Her first love accidentally made love to her mother thinking it was her and it all came out to the public. Steffy bullied her for years and later played the victim and said that Hope was the one looking down on her. Bill and Steffy manipulated her life and when they stopped Quinn started to do it. She heard Ridge calling her a stain on the family name (like he wasn't a fruit of a scandal himself). She was bullied by paparazzi's when she was very young. She lost her first baby. She thought that her second baby is dead for 8 months. Now she is forced by Steffy to work with the man who hurt her or she will lose her line. I think this was too much for Hope. It would be easier for her to just lie to herself that Thomas is this wonderful man because they share Douglas and because Thomas saved her line that means so much to her. To make things worse it's obvious that she still isn't over the fact that Liam was waffling in the past. If this SL will be the start of Hope going to a therapist to fix her problems and deal with all her trauma once and for all then I am all for it. If it's just a "Hope loves Thomas out of the blue" then it's ridiculous. It happened too fast without a reason “
I read this post on a page on FB i wanted to share with you What do you think For me im still upset with hope for having these feelings for thomas But maybe its not love it’s something else If they will go with therapy i hope it will no be Taylor I remember clearly all these events mentioned in the post
I’m just wondering how we forgot that Hope deliberately led Thomas on! She pretended to have feelings for him to manipulate him into signing papers. It’s so easy to blame it all on Thomas but she deliberately set out to deceive him. She even married him… all to get a replacement child for Beth!
Brooke even voiced how bad a plan it was and how worried she was that Hope was leading Thomas on.
Hope made him think she had feelings for him.. yet he is an evil guy for wanting to sleep with her? It was her idea… trading affection for Douglas. She was so desperate.
BBFAN, I remember it totally differently. The way I remember it, Thomas and Douglas were begging Hope to marry Thomas. Thomas was manipulating Douglas to manipulate Hope. Thomas tried every trick in the book to get Hope to marry him. And finally, out of guilt and true love for DOUGLAS, Hope agreed to marry Thomas. I think you are confused on how they got there.
As far as what you said, Mmysh….Wow! I had no idea all those things had happened to Hope when she was younger. She has had to deal with a lot for sure!! I can see how she’s had to suppress a lot to be the happy, honest, good person that she is today! So maybe this is Hope having some sort of breakdown! And I’m all for her getting the help she needs to deal with those tragic events of her past! I just hope she realizes she needs help before she makes a HUGE MISTAKE with Thomas!!
Mmysh so if I understand correctly, the poster thinks Hope has a lot of baggage to deal with? Thats certainly true. I sometimes wonder why they never bring up her story with Wyatt and how she lost a pregnancy then too. She seems well adjusted but doesn't mean that therapy wouldn't help. And I won't even entertain the "leading Thomas on" bit 😅
Yes milla Through all those she never gets the proper help Now all this pressure and the gratitude she holds for thomas making her confused Because suddenly to starts having feelings for him it doesn’t make sense I saw the just shortened all the bad things and trauma she has been through
Whole show was @ss-kissing and gladhanding. So nauseating.
ReplyDeleteIt really was especially Paris
DeleteOmg she is disgusting
That's the Liam that is pushing Hope away. He says (with a tone 😆) " I want to trust my wife's instincts" he doesn't and "I don't want to be a controlling husband" which he is. Hope is trying so hard to convince herself, she might want to ask Thomas for the name of his therapist.
ReplyDeleteLiam finally admitted it. He doesn't trust his wife and feels that he has to be the one to prevent her from making a mistake or lapse in judgement.
DeleteI think Hope is falling for Thomas more and more. She actually had a smile on her face while thinking about him and no longer seems scared out of her mind at those thoughts.
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DeleteElle, what in the world are you talking about??? Liam went on and on and on to Steffy about his concerns about THOMAS, NOT HOPE!! And what you got out of that conversation is that he doesn’t trust Hope??? Again, you absolutely kill me!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteThroughout the entire conversation about Liam’s concerns about Thomas, I think Hope’s name came up all of once. And all Liam said was…”I want to trust Hope’s instincts.” Clearly Liam was referring to wanting Hope to use good judgement in ‘booting Thomas to the curb for any inappropriate behavior’ that Thomas may exhibit. And literally every other thing Liam said to Steffy during that lengthy discussion was related to his concerns that Thomas may start up his old tricks sooner rather than later!!!
Liam has ZERO concern about his wife being attracted to Thomas.
DeleteLynn I agree he doesn't. He's worried about Hope, not jealous and can't imagine what she's thinking. But that may end up being not so good. I remember that face he had when Steffy admitted she cheated with his father. I'll never forget that face, it broke my heart for him :/ ( was amazing acting btw) I think even a kiss between them may send him to terrible places only because it's with the worst man he can imagine.
DeleteMilla, I wasn’t watching then, but I completely agree that would break Liam. Like you said…he despises Thomas so that would make something like that much worse.
DeleteYeah lynn you should go back and watch that episode
DeleteOmg he and steffy was amazing
Even she you feel heart broken for her too when he leaves
And she when he found out phoebe is beth
Oh my dearest Lynn, Liam said "I want to trust Hope's instincts. I do not want to be a controlling husband." Seems you forgot to include the follow up of what Liam said. And it's important because they go hand in hand. What Liam was saying is that he would love to trust in Hope and what she thinks about Thomas RATHER THAN always having to tell her that Thomas is bad and that she should stay away from him. Liam clearly does not trust Hope where Thomas is concerned and has some serious reservations about what is really going on with her. You see, he cannot, for the life of him, understand why Hope keeps letting Thomas in. He has already said in the past that he wonders if she is really attracted to him and I believe, that is why he does not trust her around Thomas and feels he has to keep telling her that she should not be as close to him as she is.
DeleteThis can also be proven in the fact that he has absolutely no issues about them co-parenting. Why is that? Because he is around when that happens and has control over that situation. When Hope is at work, he has zero control and gets uneasy. Liam is at Forrester more often than he is at his own place of work. What does that say?
Btw I remember one time Hope was wearing a particularly ugly pant suit and someone (maybe Brooklover) commented she looked like Stanley Ipkiss 🤣 I still chuckle.
DeleteMilla also the same pink dress which was wearing for thoms 😂😂😂
DeleteIn the pictures on the show official page on FB she was wearing the same one but with like wine 🍷 color and with jewelry and hair
Its was around the events with Douglas or something like
So to whom she was wearing that almost identical dress 😂
As i said before from now on even if hope ate a hot soup it will be because it reminds her with hot thomas 😂😂😂
Elle I think what Liam said can be understood like this "I don't want to be a controlling husband" to mean "I don't want to become a controlling husband". He has said a lot of times he trusts *her* and nothing has happened (from his perspective) to change his trust. Plus, "trust her instincts" means "instincts about Thomas and his supposedly changed character". If he was lacking trust in Hope herself he wouldn't mention instincts. What he doesn't trust is that Hope (due to her nature) sees clearly Thomas and will detect in a timely way a danger he may present.
DeleteBut that's similar to what you said actually, just wanted to clarify he is not lacking trust that Hope won't betray him.
DeleteYes, you're right. Even though Liam has wondered if Hope might be attracted to Thomas, I don't think the thought that Hope will cheat on him with Thomas has even entered his mind. He is still grappling with the absurdity that Hope even entertains Thomas, much less to be attracted to him enough to cheat. Lol.
DeleteHahahah entertains Thomas 😂😂 so well put! And yes he is. Let's hope he doesn't catch her entertaining him any further 🤣
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DeleteIt can never happen…. Mmm hmmm . Hope seriously needs to talk this out with someone she trusts. Clearly her feelings for Thomas are being more intrusive in her daily life.
ReplyDeleteI saw Thomas being completely appropriate and others are seeing it at the office etc.
We shall see… major foreshadowing again today.
With that kind of illucinations going on in the office someone will eventually pick up that Hope is into Thomas.
DeleteI remember last year when Thomas was the one daydreaming about Hope and he had to remind himself that he couldn't have those thoughts. The shoe is on the other foot now.
Delete@Elizabeth You're right. Someone is going to pick up on it soon.
Please don't let it be Paris 🙈🙈 her manner is incredibly annoying. Btw is Thomas still living with her?
DeleteBrava ladies! Milla let’s hope not she’s sooo obnoxious. Paris will be making a play for Liam next… he’s a Spencer with a big trust fund so perfect target for her. She always has Zende on back up too. 😂
DeleteI’m not sure why Paris is so involved with HFTF anyway. Isn’t she meant to be running the Forrester Foundation?? Surely that keeps her busy. We’ve seen her modelling for fittings, consulting on designs etc. Huh? Wow that four year Social Work degree covers a lot of disciplines 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I think she's sth like a PR? But you're right she's in everything 🤦🏻♀️ The foundation is about giving and the line about earning so I can understand Steffy allocating resources based on priorities 😅 I still don't understand why Thomas is living with her. If he wants to share a tiny space with a giggly woman so much, he can move in with Taylor 😅 (sorry, it was right there), at least he'll have the beach there.
DeleteNice co-parenting moments between Steffy and Liam 😊the "...is he okay?" was so funny though. And so was the "✋🏽okay". But he should take down the worry.
ReplyDeleteThomas is being really exemplary I must say. He definitely seems to be making an effort and the word "humbled" fits well. But who's this new chick who "sees a change in him"? I see a change in where her face didn't use to be 😅
Ah Hope Hope 😁 🙈 you are determined to make it hard for your fans to support you and your commitment 🤣
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DeleteYeah milla its true she is making it hard because for us its hard and impossible to support the wrong especially in this especially in this specific case a victim with her abuser
DeleteShe can’t be that stupid and naive
So its hard indeed unlike some who doesn’t have issues supporting murder, using kids in sex bargain etc
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And yeah i like the co-parenting although liam totally forgot about kelly 😂😂
DeleteLet's see how it unfolds, I still find it unlikely that anything will come out of it. It was interesting she seemed to enjoy the memories with Thomas but is terrified by the hallucinations.
DeleteI want more storylines 😩... This one is so tired, I think I start to not care if she gets together with Thomas or not.
This humbled Thomas is even more handsome! Wow! Those dimples. 😍😍
DeleteLiam still sees Hope as the young and naive girl who he met all those years ago. He doesn't see how she has matured and come into her own. Normally, I would say that he needs to see her as a mature adult and trust her completely (as he should) but knowing how she feels about Thomas, 🤭🤭 I have to agree with BBFan, maybe Hope has "outgrown" Liam. 🤷🏻♀️
I'm not biting anymore Liam baits Elle 😂 try again when something actually does happen with Homas/Tope? 😂
DeleteBut yes the dimples are quite disarming 😁
DeleteElle, yes, yes and yes!! Milla, she does seem very pleased with those memories and thinking on them more and more lately.
DeleteI’m glad they added in bits of the cut scene for those who never got to see it!
I agree milla we need some new storyline without offensive sick content
DeleteIm actually like you if now its times for couples splitting up
Coz they stayed together more than usual
But not thomASS ( i saw this in FB today and it was funny)
Not him because of what he presents his hope’s character arc and storyline
No women in her right mind will have feelings for her abuser
Forgive yes, support his recovery sure but falling for him that not stable
So will see as you said
Does anyone know who is this new lady and what her function is? Has she been there that mich to assess Thomas' changing?
DeleteMilla how about Hummis heheh 🤭🤭🤭 Usually when they say it can never happen… it surely will! I wonder how long they play this out for??
DeleteIt’s probably fun for AN to get to play Hole with a bad girl side instead of Ms Goody. She can try to add some complexity to the character. I could never stick KM too bloody whiny lol but AN is growing on me.
D, spot on. Liam is pushing her away. Whether he means to or not. His lack of trust could actually give her more power to rationalise her feelings for Thomas.
Steffy should be honest and tell Liam, yes you are controlling and “that” husband… he totally overreacted to what was a comical situation. It definitely didn’t help his marriage any.
"Hummis" yes 😂❤️🧆🤤 sounds yummy!
DeleteMilla she’s like the characters on Star Trek that aren’t part of the core team and always die on whatever mission they are on 😂😂😂😂. I guess she’s a HFTF content writer from what I was hearing today?? Maybe on the PR or advertising end of things?
DeleteMilla, "Homas/Tope" 😂 😂 I think they are referring to them as Thope. Not too far off from Tope. 😁
DeleteI think I've seen that chick once before.
😂 😂 Just maybe Thomas will take a liking to whoever she is after Hope telling him he should find time to date. When Hope caves in and wants Thomas he might reject her. Somebody somewhere said they read Hope is going to end up getting hurt.
DeleteThat is Charlotte, SOD said she would be back for PR. In real life she is Susanne Sommers granddaughter.
DeleteWow. Thanks for that fun fact, Roseam. Susanne Sommers? Was she one of the original Charlie's Angels?
DeleteBtw Milla, I wasn't trying to bait you about Liam. It was just a comment. 😊
DeleteHahah I know Elle, I didn’t mean it as something negative from your side, more that we’ve had the Liam conversation in previous episode and I think we shouldn’t waste our time with more of it but rather see how things develop 😀🤗
DeleteElle she was on Three's a Company. Nice tid bit about the granddaughter though.
DeleteAhhh, yes D. That's it. Thanks for the reminder.
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ReplyDeleteNo steffy how could say that about liam 😂😂😂 he is nothing like that 😂😂
And its so funny that the day before you found the love with your brother you almost started the hair pulling battle
But the day after oh you changed come back to work i know how to force hope to take you back
Yeah a day and a half is enough 😂😂😂😂
How lame and ridiculous 😂😂😂
I find it uncalled for what Hope is thinking and saying and Thomas seems controllable.
ReplyDeleteHope what's wrong with you???
The less I see this new Taylor the better it is. She is so uncontrollable with her giggles and talking with her hands!
Y'all cannot tell me that Hope wasn't way dressed up today. 🤔 And what was with her trying to find out if Thomas is dating anyone then, when she was satisfied that he wasn't, she started happily fantasizing about him.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see her put the moves on Thomas and he tells her he can't because she's married to Liam.
Elle I just made a comment along those lines.
DeleteD, maybe Thomas does start dating and that will hurt Hope's feelings. Who knows?
DeleteElle, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteHope was dressed up today?? Wow, you are truly imagining things. I didn’t even think that dress was attractive. That is literally the type of dress she always wears!! Very business like / professional. He rear end is not hanging out and it’s a very flowy loose fitting skirt. What are you talking about ???
DeleteAnd she literally TOLD HIM TO START DATING SOMEONE!!! Elle, you are killing me here!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteAnd why do u think hope asked Thomas if he’s dating omg no one knows nothing it’s cause she wants him to herself are you blind or what , geez can’t wait till that happens and then I’ll say told u, wow can’t believe u can’t see that.
DeleteGive me a dang break, Unknown! She is telling him to GO DATE!!! I’m not gonna keep repeating myself. If she wanted to date him / or be with him in any capacity she would NOT ENCOURAGE him to start dating and tell him that a few dates with some woman will not prevent him from making progress on his recovery!!
DeleteAnd by the way, why don’t you identify your profile with an actual name!! Then when I WIN this I can tell you (currently the nameless person) how right I was!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Noooo way it’s gonna happen 100% I know cause I read all the soaps always have for years , cmon hope go for it can’t wait
DeleteWe all know you can’t trust the spoilers. So as I said, I will be happy to prove you wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ridge leaving the show. I noticed you got real quiet when I brought that up earlier. Lol
DeleteAlso why don’t you identify yourself ?? You like it better being incognito. 😂😂😂
DeleteRidge does leave the show later to be with his real life family so there u go
DeleteAnd what I read they are not the spoilers they are all true just as I was right bout the others anyway we’ll shall see what we’ll shall see
DeleteAnd RJ is coming to the bold very soon as well
DeleteHeheheheh "she wants him to herself", then maybe she's applying reverse psychology by suggesting women and encouraging him to date? Don't think so. She just wants to see him with another woman so that it helps her get rid of those visions.
DeleteI also heard that’s why he left the show for a while to be with his family that’s probly what they meant so I was right that he did leave the show , and they decided for him not to leave permanently. So I was right once again
DeleteUnknown, why are you making stuff up when I can so easily prove you wrong? It just makes you look bad! Your words were “Ridge has left the show permanently.” But we all know Ridge is back - alive and well.
DeleteQuit trying to twist things! Just admit you were WRONG!!!!
I don’t know that you have ever been “right”, Unknown. Lol
DeleteI’ve been right all along like Sheila was alive and running to deacon that day , and plus that deacon was in it all along as well , if I remember correct ur the one saying deacon was not involved when indeed he was , so that’s a loss for you and a win for me and many more to come
DeleteUnknown, you are so damn comical! We ALL guessed Sheila was still alive. And we all guessed she would run straight to Deacon!! There is nothing that makes you unique in that regard. I’m not sure what you are looking to get here…the GOLD STAR??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteAt least I had the guts to admit I guessed wrong about Deacon being involved in the sting operation. You LOVED throwing that up in my face and I didn’t even snark back at you. I simply admitted I was wrong. But you don’t even have the guts to admit you were wrong on Ridge leaving the show. And I’m simply not gonna play that game. I prefer to interact with people who have integrity. So go to town with all your ridiculousness!! It’s just gonna make it that much more sweet when you lose on the Hope prediction!! Go find someone else to argue with - cuz you and I are done here!
Who’s arguing I’m not arguing only making a point and when I said ridge was leaving I honestly thought for good but that’s when i said he went away only to be with his family cause that’s wat I read and they must’ve changed there minds to keep him on still , so I’m not arguing at all , all good
DeleteExactly lynn, just in the spot
DeleteDoesn’t worth your time
My dearest Lynn, Hope does not always dress that way. At first, she used to wear those ugly loose fitting dresses that were not complimentary to her at all. When the wardrobe department finally decided to spruce her up, she started wearing pants suits at the office or pants and blouses like that very pretty sheer number she had on 2 weeks ago. She is NOT in the habit of wearing these long flowy, plunging neckline dresses that she had on over the past 2 days. Her hair is also usually loose or pulled back in a ponytail. But now, her hair is being styled differently. However, we will have to agree to disagree on this. 😊
DeleteRegarding Hope asking Thomas about his dating life and encouraging him to date. I believe that she was trying to figure out where his head was at in regards to dating. She was quite pleased with his response that he was not dating and had no interest in it since his focus was on HFTF. That is why, as soon as he left and she was alone, she started thinking about him with a big ole smile on her face. Does that say "I would love for Thomas to start dating another woman that is not me?" She was even remembering her thoughts of making love to and kissing Thomas! I would love to see Thomas actually start to date and what Hope's reaction would be. I can assure you that she will not be happy about it. She might pretend to be supportive of him dating but deep down inside, she will not be happy about it.
The thing is Lynn, Hope has been looking at Thomas differently since last year. It is why she admitted to finding him attractive. It is why she looked forward to spending nights with him, Douglas and Beth over at Eric's. There was absolutely no concern for her husband back then. It is also why, after everyone had left the HFTF launch after party, she stayed at Eric's alone with Thomas and allowed him to move in for a kiss. She could have left when everyone else had left and gone home to her husband. She could have also stopped Thomas from moving in for the kiss. What's interesting is that last year, they showed the fantasies that Thomas was having in his head but it was not until recently, that they showed that Hope was also caught up (since last year) with Thomas' hands on her body during one of their fittings. Hope has been attracted to Thomas since last year. The reason she is fighting it now is because those feelings are becoming stronger and stronger. And if I am to take a guess, if Hope does finally come clean about her feelings, she will admit to when those feelings truly started. And I am certain, her feelings did not come out of the blue just in a few weeks after Thomas returned to the line a changed man.
DeleteElle, having admiration for someone…personally or professionally…does not equate to ‘falling in love.’ Who cares if Hope thinks Thomas has changed?? It does not mean that she should or would fall in love with just anyone she respects. That’s absurd! I know I am a broken record, but you are too on the opposite side of the fence on this subject. I’m still convinced nothing will happen with Thomas and Hope, and she will be back to living ‘happily ever after’ with Liam. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t condone Liam’s cheating that he has done on Hope. Liam needed a serious slap down!! And I also didn’t like how Brooke was pushing Hope to forgive Liam so easily. A mother would never / should never do that!! But I do think Hope and Liam are destined to be together. Much like Brooke and Ridge. However, I actually don’t want Brooke to take Ridge back. No way!!!!
DeleteOh yes hope it is gonna happen
ReplyDeleteThank you Bob xxxx
ReplyDeleteIt said it has been removed can you please fix thank you
ReplyDeleteThomas has very small hands. I will leave it there with that statement. 🤣🤣🤣
ReplyDeleteSo aside from Steffy telling Liam what a wonderful husband he is, when did Liam tell Steffy he is worried about Hope doing the wrong thing?? Some of the FF’s said that about today’s episode. But I didn’t hear any such comment from Liam. He only said he had concerns about Thomas.
And for someone who is supposedly lusting to be with Thomas, Hope sure is perfectly fine with him starting up a relationship with another woman. If she wanted him for herself, why would she suggest he start dating the model that’s been hitting on him at FC, or anyone else for that matter??? Not the words of a woman who wants Thomas for herself!! I also like how Hope referred to them as “crazy thoughts.” Exactly what I’ve been calling them. Even she realizes they are crazy!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
And why is Thomas going on and on about his past feelings for Hope? That shouldn’t even be a discussion they are having. Should be 100% business. But Thomas loves to take it down a personal road and talk about the obsession he “used” to have for Hope. To me, it’s just setting the stage for him to tell Hope one day soon….”No one compares to YOU, Hope! You are the only woman for me!!!”
I'm going to say one thing and leave it there. Did anyone else not hear Liam saying he wants to trust Hope? To me if he's asking that he doesn't trust her. He's always barging in to check on her even when she goes to talk to her mum. He doesn't want to be controlling? Which is really what he's doing. And Hope is deflecting her feelings in that conversation but soo curious to see if he is dating. Sorry Lynn feel like I'm watching a different show.
DeleteAnd also why is it always pushed, if your a LF or a FF your opinion is always up for criticism? What if we're are just a B&B fan?
DeleteD - I simply make my assessment based on what I read. You have ALWAYS defended Colly, BBFAN and Elle. You go out of your way to defend them in fact. If you were as “objective” as you say, you wouldn’t act so one sided. That’s my take on it.
DeleteIt’s not that Liam doesn’t trust Hope as far as cheating is concerned. Liam doesn’t trust Hope to be objective when it comes to Thomas because he thinks she misses the warning signs from Thomas because Hope ALWAYS sees the very best in people and always forgives. To be clear, Liam has zero concerns that Hope is thinking about Thomas in a sexual way or that she would ever cheat on him. He’s simply worried that Hope won’t pick up on the signs that Thomas is obsessing about her again.
She told him he should date, D. Not sure how that can be misconstrued. Hope told Thomas….”A date or two won’t prevent you from making progress.” And she even gave him suggestions as to people he could date. Doesn’t sound like the words of a woman who wants him for herself. Lol.
DeleteWell said D I’m with you all the way 👏👏👏👏
DeleteD - aside from Liam going up to the main house in a recent episode after she ran out of the cabin after they just had sex, just when is Liam “Always barging in whenever Hope is talking to her mom.” ???? I can’t think of any other example. So for you to say he does that he “always” does that is ridiculous!!
DeleteHe's always barging in to check on her,,, even when she goes to talk to her Mum. I should have added that comma there. Many times he has left whoever he was talking to at the time to run to FC to check in on her and obviously at the wrong time, sees things and immediately jumps to a conclusion.
DeleteI always defend Colly, Bbfan and Elle? They don't need defending. Maybe because they can converse in conversation civilly without rude, insulting personal attacks on people who have a different opinion.
DeleteLynn as liam said he is getting better at manipulation and lying
DeleteLynn, Hope does realize her thoughts about Thomas are crazy, but did you see the big smile on her face at those crazy thoughts? 😊 And I am sure she will have those crazy thoughts again very soon. She just can't seem to help herself. 😊 The heart wants what it wants, Lynn. The dilemma here is whether Hope's morals and values are willing or not willing to support what her heart wants. That is the war that is going on inside of her. Follow her heart or follow what is right.
DeleteYou can try as much as you want to flip what Liam said about trusting Hope, Lynn but it does not get any clearer than "I want to trust Hope's instincts. I do not want to be a controlling husband." He has even had this same conversation with Wyatt and sought his brother's opinion on whether he was being too controlling or not. Liam's conflicted about trusting his wife completely where Thomas is concerned, which would mean letting go of his fears or trying to exert control over her by constantly reminding her about all that Thomas has done to them. Bottom line, where Thomas is concerned, Liam does not trust Hope one bit! 😊
👏 👏 👏 wish I could elaborate more. The laptop I'm on right now cannot be used for personal use. Hate tiny keyboards on phones.
DeleteLiam does trust ‘Hope around Thomas’ and he said that to Steffy countless times over the past 2 days episodes. He simply does not trust ‘Thomas around Hope.’ If Hope keeps acting like she’s been taken over by the ‘invasion of the body snatchers’, then I’m sure Liam will start to question his wife. But current state…he ABSOLUTELY TRUSTS Hope! He has no concerns she would cheat on him with Thomas. Sorry, busy day and evening so will need to keep my comments brief
DeleteD - I never stated that Colly, Elle or BBFAN needed defending. I simply said that is what you always do..,defend them! Lol
DeleteYou used to do it CONSTANTLY a couple years ago. But now that Colly no longer posts, you have dialed it back some. But funny thing is - you do still do it. In fact just yesterday or the day before you wrapped yourself into a pretzel apologizing to Elle for accidentally including her name in a snarky comment you made to Mmysh, Milla and myself. You’ve always thought of yourself as the body guard for some strange reason. But I always just laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.
😂😂😂 Lynn I love your way of expression so much! "Wrapped yourself into a pretzel" 🤣
DeleteBtw, above Elle and I settled the difference between trusting instincts and trusting that Hope won't betray him. I think that's how you Lynn also understand it (so did I)
DeleteMilla, ahhhh yes, I absolutely thought Elle was saying that Liam didn’t trust his wife’s ability to be faithful when it comes to Thomas. But if she is actually saying Liam just doesn’t trust Hope’s instincts with regard to Thomas, then heck yeah! I definitely agree with that!
DeleteHope just needs to have a threesome between Liam and Thomas
ReplyDeleteOk so worst case scenario for Hope....she is drawn in by Thomas and his bs, she betrays Liam with Thomas. Not a good situation by any stretch of the imagination and entirely our of character for Hope.
ReplyDeleteNow let`s image that we are having this same conversation about Steffy! She has had no issue with stepping out on her relationships/marriages/other peoples marriages.
All the FF`s have convenient memories of what has gone on previously with Steffy and for that matter Taylor. Both have had illicit affairs with married men. Oh yes I hear you FF`s, "but what about Brookes affairs in the past," well here`s a newsflash, I`m not talking about Brooke, I`m talking about Hope!!
I just know that there will be the normal sh.. about Hope being with Liam when he was with Steffy. Well you leave yourself wide open to this when you sleep with your father in law and when you don`t know who the father of your BABIES are!!
👏🏼👏🏼😀Maurrr!!
DeleteIndeed
DeleteWe all know why this sudden “care” for hope 😂😂 its not fooling anyone
And its so funny how liam used to be the best ever
This description for hope to cheat so steffy will not be standing in that category alone for their generation
And for hope how stupid and naive she is
The flashbacks you should be having is absolutely not these flashbacks
Maybe the ones how he feed on your grieving or how he offered his son for sex or chasing you in the company after trying to force himself on you
We can’t blame you for the disgusting ugly things you don’t know about
Maybe she have a brain tumor 😂😂😂😂 (how lame that would be 😂)
No sane woman and in her right mind will have feelings for her abuser 🤮
And i wonder Paris‘s dress was for whom 😂😂😂😂
I don't see anyone advocating for Hope to cheat. Some of us want her and Thomas to be together and others have stated that something will happen between them soon, but noone has stated unequivocally that "we want Hope to cheat on Liam."
DeleteBut reading Maur's post and the response by Mmysh, it has dawned on me that the main upset with this storyline is that Hope may indeed cheat and then, she would be no better than Steffy.
😂😂😂 oh elle indeed since you know not only the characters real intentions but the posters also
DeleteFor you yes you made it clear you don’t want hope to cheat i will take your word for it and believe it since you said something you should do with others when they say something about how they feel or see things or why they said things
Anyway even if hope cheat she will never be like steffy
She needs a total change in character and decades to follow her record
But no that is not our concern
Our concern is being with her abuser
And second ruin and betray her beliefs and principles which we love her because of it
We don’t want to loss respect for her
Because it matter to us
Not like others we support our favorite character in murder, cheat manipulation etc and even worse find lame excuses
So no steffy being a cheater doesn’t concern us with hope situation its hope’s character and she presents
Sure you will not believe coz you know better i know
But anyway i have to clarify this out of respect not only for us also for you
But sure you are welcome to analyze it there will be no surprise hearing no that’s not why we are worried
Or should i reply to you with why you have to reply or attack anyone who has a negative comment about steffy
DeleteSince as you said you don’t
But here we go
But no that’s doesn’t concern me
I believe you have the right to comment
Its just a little note of what you said to me
Another note when someone post wrong or false information we will set the record straight
And that is not a negative comment that’s a lie to serve certain narratives
Or bashing a character for something but defending another for the same actions
That’s when we reply
Mmysh, what?
DeleteDid you feel attacked in the comment I posted? I did not make any personal jabs toward you but here you are, as usual, lashing out at me for a simple comment I made that was anti-Hope. And it really wasn't even anti-Hope. But, whatever.
It wasn’t anti hope it was anti steffy
DeleteThe comments we‘ve made
Time after time you just proves you read my comments while preparing an answer without really reading it
Its seems i always have to explain
You said that you don’t reply to anti steffy comments while i do to posts with negative things about hope
So replying to us here what we can call that
Something negative about steffy and you give us a piece of your mind
And when someone twist some events and mention hall of what happened to serve their narrative and telling them you forget something maybe due to selective memory i saw a lot of that description from both sides
Even so it wasn’t addressed to you but you came at me with why you have to do this and that
So i was making a point but it seems it didn’t came through
But as i see it is
So please next time would you please take a deeper look to my comments so i don’t have to explain time after time
Or you don’t read it at all or mentioning me that would be ok with me as well
Ok. So I know you've said your english isn't that good so I will take it as you misunderstanding my comment.
DeleteNo i said it is not my native language
DeleteBut i didn’t say its not good
I understand your comment perfectly
Coz if i don’t i read it again then think of a reply
Not just take a look at it while preparing what i want to reply
So it seems you didn’t understand what i meant which is also fine
Elle, I can only speak for myself, not the other Hope fans…But I will say that if Hope cheats with Thomas, it will have absolutely nothing to do with my feelings for Steffy or any kind of Hope / Steffy comparison. The two women are like day and night. This isn’t about Steffy, this is about Hope! If she truly goes there with someone who has been as god-awful to Hope and her family as Thomas has been, then I will honestly lose all respect for her. There will be no excuse that could justify that!!! Thomas should seem like a monster to her for the things he has put her and her family through. And as I said in a previous comment, forgiveness is one thing…but starting up any kind of romance with Thomas is where I say - absolutely NOT!!! I will no longer be a Hope fan if she crosses that line. And for the record, I still don’t think she will.
DeleteAnd please notice - I DID NOT MENTION the WRITERS even once in my statement!! Lol
I feel similarly but also want some excitement and if Thope 😅 leads to some exciting storyline, I would be up for that. Hope crushing on him is a new angle so it’s possible… And I don’t mind pointing out Hope has never cheated while Steffy’s both kids had to be tested for paternity for that reason 😂 that’s a good "ammunition" 🤣
DeleteMilla, that’s too funny about Steffy needing paternity tests for both of her kids. 😂😂😂
DeleteI know it’s a soap, and I get that they have to add excitement and intrigue by having everyone sleep with everyone….but if Hope does it, it will seem like her whole character would need to change. I guess that makes me sad because I like the version of Hope we have now. If Hope and Thomas get together that’s just gonna ruin it for me. Mmysh was the one who originally pointed out that Thomas is Hope’s abuser. And that’s soooooo true!! What kind of ‘love story’ couples you up with your abuser?? It’s just sick and wrong if you ask me.
So I’m still holding out hope that it won’t happen, and this is all much ado about nothing! That ending to this storyline would make me happy! Lol
Elle, just because you don’t want Hope to “cheat” doesn’t mean that your fellow FF’s feel the same. I have read multiple comments on the blog from FF’s who are all for Hope ‘cheating’! Not sure how you missed that. Lol
DeleteWell as I’m sure you know, I don’t want Hope to cheat. And I don’t want Hope with Thomas in any romantic capacity EVER!!! She needs to think of him as a stepbrother who has always been troubled, and who is ‘hopefully’ on a path to getting his sh*t together…for a little while anyway…till he screws up again.
A love story between Thomas and Hope is cringeworthy / barf worthy!! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Exactly lynn
DeleteActually not only me a lot and a lot of fans on the social media
From both sides forrester fans logen fans even none of the families
They all have so much issues with him being her abuser
Not all care about her cheating or leave her marriage
Its this principle only
But only a few cheering for this and can’t wait and obviously we know why
And i wonder how much detail they should be keeping from their kids
Delete😂😂😂😂😂
Mmysh, 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
DeleteLynn that's totally understandable. To me it's also because Liam is such a devoted husband who developed tremendously because of her and it's so unwarranted to do this to him. I see people pointing out how he basically has no right to expect anything considering his former waffling. But isn't the point of a relationship to do better, to grow together and not to one up each other every 5 years? Maybe that's what their haters want - to have their relationship fall apart as a "revenge" that he chose Hope and committed to her. I for one hope it doesn't happen and that they come out again stronger like after everything Thomas and Steffy did in the past trying to split them.
Delete“ Hope had to listen from Taylor, Steffy, Thomas, Stephanie and many others harsh words about her mother all of her life. It came to the point that she got scared of having sex. She was almost raped. Her first love accidentally made love to her mother thinking it was her and it all came out to the public. Steffy bullied her for years and later played the victim and said that Hope was the one looking down on her. Bill and Steffy manipulated her life and when they stopped Quinn started to do it. She heard Ridge calling her a stain on the family name (like he wasn't a fruit of a scandal himself). She was bullied by paparazzi's when she was very young. She lost her first baby. She thought that her second baby is dead for 8 months. Now she is forced by Steffy to work with the man who hurt her or she will lose her line. I think this was too much for Hope. It would be easier for her to just lie to herself that Thomas is this wonderful man because they share Douglas and because Thomas saved her line that means so much to her. To make things worse it's obvious that she still isn't over the fact that Liam was waffling in the past. If this SL will be the start of Hope going to a therapist to fix her problems and deal with all her trauma once and for all then I am all for it. If it's just a "Hope loves Thomas out of the blue" then it's ridiculous. It happened too fast without a reason “
DeleteI read this post on a page on FB
i wanted to share with you
What do you think
For me im still upset with hope for having these feelings for thomas
But maybe its not love it’s something else
If they will go with therapy i hope it will no be Taylor
I remember clearly all these events mentioned in the post
I’m just wondering how we forgot that Hope deliberately led Thomas on! She pretended to have feelings for him to manipulate him into signing papers. It’s so easy to blame it all on Thomas but she deliberately set out to deceive him. She even married him… all to get a replacement child for Beth!
DeleteBrooke even voiced how bad a plan it was and how worried she was that Hope was leading Thomas on.
Hope made him think she had feelings for him.. yet he is an evil guy for wanting to sleep with her? It was her idea… trading affection for Douglas. She was so desperate.
😂😂😂😂😂 are you really mentioning how she married thomas 😂😂😂 omg
DeleteBBFAN, I remember it totally differently. The way I remember it, Thomas and Douglas were begging Hope to marry Thomas. Thomas was manipulating Douglas to manipulate Hope. Thomas tried every trick in the book to get Hope to marry him. And finally, out of guilt and true love for DOUGLAS, Hope agreed to marry Thomas. I think you are confused on how they got there.
DeleteAs far as what you said, Mmysh….Wow! I had no idea all those things had happened to Hope when she was younger. She has had to deal with a lot for sure!! I can see how she’s had to suppress a lot to be the happy, honest, good person that she is today! So maybe this is Hope having some sort of breakdown! And I’m all for her getting the help she needs to deal with those tragic events of her past! I just hope she realizes she needs help before she makes a HUGE MISTAKE with Thomas!!
BBFAN, the only thing Hope was desperate for was to be Douglas’ mom!!
DeleteMmysh so if I understand correctly, the poster thinks Hope has a lot of baggage to deal with? Thats certainly true. I sometimes wonder why they never bring up her story with Wyatt and how she lost a pregnancy then too. She seems well adjusted but doesn't mean that therapy wouldn't help.
DeleteAnd I won't even entertain the "leading Thomas on" bit 😅
Yes milla
DeleteThrough all those she never gets the proper help
Now all this pressure and the gratitude she holds for thomas making her confused
Because suddenly to starts having feelings for him it doesn’t make sense
I saw the just shortened all the bad things and trauma she has been through
Yes lynn we hope that she will ask for help before it’s too late
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