The Bold and the Beautiful 11-17-23 Full episode B&B 17th November 2023
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just seen the begining and had to post ..im so glad hope told liam pretty much where to stick it and that he has no say and she is fine. i wasn't sure she had it in her but she did
ReplyDeleteLoved her today. She put Liam in his place. It's been long coming.
DeleteCould you guys watch the video afther posting . Im really frustrated with this whole buffering thing. Its telling me i have no internet connection
DeleteI was able to watch up to a certain point (like the first 10 minutes) before it started buffering. Then nothing. I went to Facebook and was able to view the full show.
DeleteCan you send me the link of that page. Or is it a CBS thing ?
DeleteHere you go: https://fb.watch/ooTo7nV3tZ/?mibextid=Nif5oz
DeleteOfcourse — if you go to FB, then go to “Menu” (bottom right), then click on “Videos”, then search for B&B by the date, it should pull up that day’s episode. At least that’s the way I found it on FB.
Deletewow finished episode now. liam got exactly what he deserved finally after all his back and forth over the years. hope was the one who stood up for him. i hope that her and thomas make it they make a great couple and he really does love her unconditionally and it was sweet to see her say that to him
ReplyDeleteFinally!
DeleteAgree with you ladies. What an episode!! Bring on Thope.
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100% agree 😊 I loved the way Hope talked to Liam. The last minutes of the episode were 🔝
DeleteLiam didn't left but start watching them 🤣 that's sick. They should lock the door. But good for Liam!
DeleteHope and Liam were happy together , way before they went to Rome it’s hope that started reminiscing with Thomas in her head thinking about him all the time , she’s using steffy as an excuse with Liam and steffy being together , she knew steffy loves finn , it’s hope that wanted to be a whore to break up her marriage with Liam , and she blaming that on Liam going to steffy , I did feel a bit sorry for Liam when he saw them together , so hope you ruined everything so don’t blame Liam for all this it was you all along
ReplyDeleteSo what she kissed Thomas . For al the sh*it Liam put her trough whit Steffy he just shouldve forgiven her like she did maybe 5 or 6 times with al the disgusting Brooke and taylor show 2.0 he dragged along for years . Liam knew hope had to watch her mom go trough that as a child and than he flat out does it to her to . So what she kissed Thomas 😂 his love may be wicked but at least its true . Obviously she cant explain to poor beth why she is married to Thomas in the future . Im glad its just not gonna be Liam for her . The little puke dont deserve any women. My sister in law has been living the exact same life . Thank god she found a steaming hot soccer player now😋 🤭they have a sweet little boy together to just like fin and Steffy. a girl and a boy. The other women is stil walking afther her real life Liam while he stile goes around inpregnating other women🙄🙄 you wonder where they get this stuff for a tv soap😂😂
DeleteLiam brought this on himself. Hope truly tried to fight what she was feeling for Thomas and instead of coming home to a loving husband everyday, Liam was in her ear trashing Thomas non-stop. Is it any wonder she eventually acted on what she was feeling for him?
DeleteAgree Unknown. They were happy together and she selfishly derailed that family by connecting with Thomas. Even after saying she wouldn't work with him, she went back on that without any remorse and Liam still stayed. She pushed his boundaries as much as he did hers. But it all started from her and escalated with the Rome crap that she was ready to hide from Liam.
DeleteExactly milla and Unknown
DeleteShe even told thomas she doesn’t want anyone to know
If thomas has any shred of dignity he wouldn’t be with her but whom im kidding
And what makes me laugh that oh liam abused her so she should leave him but hey she should be with thomas like he never did 😂😂😂
I disagree! Hope agreed to not have him back under duress! Liam was relentless and wasn’t stopping. It was emotionally battering Hope into submission. She decided when she was away from Liam to follow her own mind and do what was best for her and her line!! Liam belittled her and did everything he could to destroy her self confidence and make her feel powerless so she would cave and do what he was demanding of her! That is abuse!
DeleteLiam expected Hope to forgive and forget his cheating with Steffy and continue to see her, coparent, etc but demands she not let Thomas, who was the only hope of saving her line career, back in the line! It wasn’t his decision to make.
BBFAN, Hope didn’t want Thomas back at FC for her own reasons. Remember this was after she found out that Thomas had set up her mom so that Ridge would be convinced Brooke had called CPS on him. Hope was under duress alright, but the duress was a result of Steffy saying….Take him back on as lead designer for HFTF, or your line will be shelved. Then once Steffy pushed Thomas on Hope, Hope was caught in the middle between Steffy and Liam wanting the exact opposite thing.
DeleteThis again? Steffy did not ever say that the line would be shelved, just paused. Steffy also did not ever push Thomas on Hope. She suggested that Thomas was the only one that could bring back HFTF HOWEVER, it was up to Hope whether she wanted him back or not. Thomas even went to her to make his pitch. Taylor also went to her to make her pitch on behalf of Thomas. That's because it was totally up to Hope whether or not she took Thomas back. Hope had a choice - Thomas or pause the line until they found a designer.
DeleteYeah but yet steffy dare to say
DeleteHe works with you not for you 😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry, Elle…..she said “shelved.” There were multiple discussions on the subject….between Hope and Steffy, Hope and Thomas, Hope and Taylor, and Hope and Liam. And the HFTF line was said to “be shelved” on more than one occasion. Steffy may have ALSO used the word “paused”, but since there were multiple discussions, you are referring to a different one than I am. I also clearly remember Hope begging Steffy to keep looking for someone else to fill the position, but Steffy made it very clear to Hope that it was Thomas or no one. I seriously think you need to go back and rewatch those episodes. Hope absolutely did NOT want Thomas back. And for you to act like she accepted the idea of Thomas coming back with no issue is ridiculous. Hope did no such thing!! She did NOT want Thomas back!
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DeleteElle, I am not able to go back and rewatch the old episodes because I do not have Paramount+, but I was able to see comments on Blogger from 3-2-23 and 3-3-23 when all this bringing Thomas back to HFTF was being discussed. And what I saw is you and BBFAN complaining that Steffy shoved this decision down Hope’s throat and didn’t even offer her the courtesy of having a few days to think about it or discuss it with Liam. One of you ladies also made the comment about employees being fired (made redundant) if HFTF were to be cancelled. You were both not happy with Steffy’s pushy approach with Hope. But now all of a sudden it was just a happy little discussion between Steffy and Hope, and Hope was more than happy to take Thomas back. Sorry, but your current spin is not even close to the way it went down. Hope was absolutely pressured by Steffy.
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DeleteWell lynn back then hope wasn’t with thomas
DeleteShe was only a logen 😂😂😂😂
That is incorrect, Lynn. I, nor BBFan, made no such complaints about Steffy shoving the decision to bring Thomas back down her throat. I said that Steffy should be able to give Hope a few days to think about it. Here is the transcript for what happened on March 2nd:
DeleteSteffy: As co-ceo it’s my responsibility to watch over the company finances. Therefore, I’m considering pausing your line.
Hope: You can't be serious.
Steffy: This isn’t easy for me.
Hope: So you’re saying hope for the future is on the chopping block?
Steffy: I am not suggesting we cancel it.
Hope: So then what are you proposing?
Steffy: We’re gonna have to pump the brakes unless we figure out a solution.
Hope: Like what?
Thomas: Yes, steff. Why did you have mom and me come here?
Steffy: I think you’ve learned your lesson. You shouldn’t be punished anymore. And the truth is, we’re all paying the price not having Thomas here.
Thomas: So, does this actually mean…
Steffy: That you are no longer exiled. You’re welcome back to the company.
[ Thomas chuckles in relief ] And it’s not totally up to me, but… my professional recommendation would be… Thomas to come back and revive hope for the future.
Hope: Okay, guys. I am– I’m confused because I thought you two were barely speaking and just not long ago you suggested that we forge ahead without him.
Taylor: I– I might’ve intervened a little.
Steffy: Hope, my mother forced Thomas and I to get back together and just, um, piece things out. Ultimately, I said I’d give Thomas another chance. This is his opportunity. If you agree to it, Hope. I know you may want to resist, but Thomas is the key to saving your line. Profits have slowed. The designs just aren’t hitting. Thomas is your way out of this. So, what do you say? Will you allow Thomas to return to hope for the future?
https://tvmeg.com/index.php/2023/03/02/bb-transcript-thursday-march-2-2023/
And here's the follow up on March 3rd:
DeleteThomas: So, what do you think, hope? Willing to take me back as lead designer for your line?
Steffy: Hope, thomas, the way you two collaborate, it can’t be duplicated. That’s been made abundantly clear. I’m ready to forgive my brother and work with him again, but I won’t force you to do it. It’s your call. But without thomas, there’s no hope for the future.
Hope: I would do just about anything to save my line, but– I’m sorry, I– I’m– I’m confused, because I was going to consider thomas before, remember? But you– you talked me out of it.
Steffy: Yes, but the wounds were still so fresh then. We weren’t ready to work with thomas. We were keeping him at arms’ length. Justifiably. But he’s making changes. Changes for the better. I am confident he could resurrect your line, confident he could turn those numbers around, but only if you’re okay with it. So, what do you say? Are you willing to work with thomas again?
Thomas: I know this isn’t easy for you, hope. I will respect any decision you make. Even if that means ending hope for the future all together.
Hope: Thomas, how many times can I allow you to set me up to be disappointed, to be hurt?
Thomas: I’m sorry. Look, during this time, it’s been really painful for me. And almost excruciating. I’ve realized that I– I’m that type of person, I need to work, right? I need some kind of adrenaline rush in my life, and what bigger rush could there be than me coming back and help save hope for the future? Look, I– I can’t take back what I did, and I’m so sorry for it, but I can move forward as a person, I can ask you for forgiveness. More than that, I can earn your forgiveness. Please, hope. Let me earn it. Let me come back to hope for the future.
Steffy: Maybe we should give them some time alone.
Taylor: I think so, too.
You can read the rest here: https://tvmeg.com/index.php/2023/03/03/bb-transcript-friday-march-3-2023/
I haven't seen anything that suggests Hope did not want Thomas back on her line. Matter of fact, she had gone to Steffy before, asking to bring Thomas back and Steffy said no, it was too soon after the CPS issue.
DeleteIt’s just semantics, Elle. You ladies were both not happy with the way Steffy was handling things with Hope and demanding she answer Steffy right away. And yes, BBFAN was concerned people who worked on the HFTF line were going to be fired. Sounds like you ladies were also under the impression that HFTF was getting axed!!!! Like I said above, what actually happened during those episodes in March is far different than the way you are describing them now. And yes, Hope 100% felt pressured and did not want Thomas back. She told Liam she would lose her line unless she agreed to take him back (per Steffy)….and Liam was saying “There has to be another way.” Hope told Liam….”According to Steffy, there is no other way. It’s Thomas or no HFTF.” If you don’t see that as ‘pressure’, then I honestly don’t know what to tell you. You are seeing things as you want to see them because you will always defend Steffy. When I have some free time, I will try to get the full script of those episodes since I can no longer watch the old shpws.
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DeleteWell Liam is Bill's son, so what evil now lurks within Mr. Can't decide who I love ? The whole character just repulses me. Nothing redeeming with him at all. Thomas for the record was polite and considerate with Brooke with another one of her I don't want you around Hope speeches. Maybe just maybe she could cut him some slack after all people can redeem themselves, after all she does hold the record for sleeping around including her daughters husband. Be careful casting that stone.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I don't know who Brooke thinks she is. She seems to forget all the nasty stuff she has done. I guess she thinks that only she can change, and only she alone deserves love. She didn't like it when Stephanie constantly hated on her and told her she wasn't good enough for her son, yet here she is doing the same thing to Thomas.
DeleteAlthough Brooke did seem sincere with Thomas at the end of that scene when she asked him if he could handle it if all Hope offered was basically a fling. I believe she was concerned for his wellbeing based on her seeing his improvement and her actual caring for him. She must after all these years, he’s got to be close to 30.
DeleteActually in soap years and considering his history, Thomas must be 40+.
DeleteThomas has been a better man than ever. Brooke can't see it. She wasn't perfect when she was younger, so she should understand the younger people now. It's not worthy saying something about their "relationship" because they won't listen.
DeletePatologi brook with all her mistakes and bad things she’s done
DeleteShe never did something criminal
Or make a young woman lose her life
And being happy with it
And then no remorse like that lady meant nothing
So him being good for a while doesn’t redeem that unless murder is ok as long as out favorite character the one who committed it
Brooke lying to Ridge and hiding the fact that Thomas was his son to keep him away is just as bad as Thomas not telling Hope Beth was alive! Brooke telling Taylor to stay dead and letting Ridge continue to grieve for his dead wife and hiding her being alive , is just as bad! Brooke firing Staphanie and kicking her out of her company and hiding the fact that she was the sole owner was criminal. It was fraud!!! So Brooke isn’t some innocent angel! Please!
DeleteAgain bbfan this blah blah sorry
DeleteYou don’t prove me wrong its the opposite
Still she didn’t caused someone to lose their life at young age
With no remorse whatsoever like she meant nothing
Yeah such a good human being 🤮🤮
And for the Stephanie example it’s funny while mentioning it why brook did that
And oh yeah Stephanie who killed her grand child while he was a fetus
While tried to kill brook several times
That one you defend 😂
And btw we always say brook did a lot if mistakes and paid dearly for them
You don’t just make lame excuses or deny or even blame the victim
We call her out every time she screwed up
Something you don’t do
And none of us never ever claimed that brook is an innocent angel
DeleteLike you do you favorite
But brook compared to Stephanie and tommy boy sure she is 😂😂😂
So Please!
Mmysh don't bite on the whataboutism. It's what they want. You don't have to justify something from 40 years ago (that even wasn't Brooke's news to tell but geesh the pregnant woman's?) for a point about Thomas to be valid on its very own.
DeleteI know milla
DeleteBut my original comment wasn’t even to bbfan
Even my clarification wasn’t for her
Because im sure she knows all of that
Scott is amazing playing unhinged Liam 🤗👏🏼the way he and Annika bounce off each other is always wow. I think now he’s due for that meltdown 🙈
ReplyDeleteBtw Hope looks a lot like young Caroline now.
Sure all what thoms hear is im in love with you
DeleteWow, Liam is gonna lose it. Both of his women who are always ready to say “how high???” when he says “jump”, are intimately involved with others. Hope came dangerously close to saying she loves Thomas today! NOT GOOD!! And Thomas started salivating at the thought of that! I see Thomas going over the edge sooner rather than later. I still think Hope is gonna let him down, and then Thomas and Liam will both be acting unhinged. Liam looked like he was contemplating hurting Thomas in that very last scene.
DeleteBrooke is being overbearing. I understand she is very upset about the situation, but she truly does need to butt out. She had no business talking to Thomas about it. I think Thomas handled himself well in that situation. However, I remember Taylor scolding Hope very recently too. The mom’s are way too involved in Hope’s and Thomas’ relationship.
I saw Steffy give Luna what appeared to be a “judgy face” during dinner, but then on the couch the conversation went really well. Hope that continues. I really like Luna. And I’m pretty convinced she genuinely wants to learn fashion and get closer to RJ simply because she really likes him.
Agree lynn i saw that look on steffy’s face but she was so warm and nice to luna
DeleteBut i didn’t see hope was close to say i love you to thomas
Loving someone for something is not in love with them
But she still disgusting to me
Really how she can look in her daughter’s eyes while she rewarding thomas with the thing he even killed for
Its funny how redemption works for those writers
Just ruining some characters to redeem some with so evil actions
But not to with the normal way by paying the price for their misdeeds and really pay it forward
Maybe hope will have a child with thomas than liam will make them think their baby is dead and let them grieve for months and fed on their grieving
So maybe thomas will got a taste of his doing 😂😂😂😂
That would be a good lesson
Liam is so crazy right now so sad he got this far of being a nutjob
But he should got full custody of beth
So maybe hope will remember how her life was thinking she lost her daughter
I wonder if the writers when day decided to bring up thomas actions from under the rug that only certain characters their actions swiped their and got forgotten
DeleteHow a fool she would be
But im sure she deserve it
Mmysh, I agree that Hope saying she loved him for loving her and only her is much different than telling someone you are in love with them. But it just made me nervous that she would use the word “love” in any sentence she said to Thomas. We definitely don’t want her going down that path. I hope Liam’s crazy and Brooke’s comments don’t push Hope more toward Thomas. That would be tragic. Instead, I hope she starts thinking / remembering what Finn told her about Thomas! “You are too good for Thomas, Hope!!!”
DeleteIndeed
DeleteHer words were liam I LOVE YOU
But thomas loving only me and i love him for it
Big difference but that doesn’t matter
And wanted to slap her when she said
That was years ago oh really
I wonder if thomas succeeded on the other things he was planning to do
What she would say
How she can even consider letting her daughter around thus man
I don’t know she will explain that to beth when she old enough
Its a shame
@MMYSH just get over it already. Your constant repetetive whining about Thomas is vomit worthy. 🤮 🤮 🤮 Where has Liam got the grounds to get sole custody of Beth? Thomas was never charged with any wrong doings in regard to Beth's ILLEGAL sale by Dr Buckingham and his partner Flo Fuller/Logan. Everyone else who was involved in this CRIME, and yes it was a crime, Taylor for buying a baby on the black market and Steffy knowing full well where the child came from, all get a fee pass except Thomas. Just give them a chance at some happiness. If it doesn't work out, so be it.
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DeleteWell the only vomiting worth is your constant defend of such disgusting behavior 🤮🤮🤮
And a stupid ridiculous logic that he didn’t get charged
No one got a free pass but that what you like to fool yourself with because truth is hard to swallow
And is steffy or Taylor or reese or flo are beding hope now or potentially will be her step dad ? I don’t think so
And i said to you specifically my opinion about the names you mentioned
But apparently its in vain when you like to fool yourself and its a lame pathetic way to defend thomas and your point of view
So since my comments THE TRUTH hurt you so bad just ignore them its better to your heath
Since thomas’s actions don’t make you vomit but reading the truth about him do
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Taylor never bought a baby on the black market and Steffy most certainly did NOT know that Phoebe was Beth!!!
DeletePrivate adoption is not buying a baby. Giving the birth mother money to help defray her expenses and paying all the legal fees etc is standard practice!
Taylor believed her colleague who said he knew a young woman in distress who needed to give her child up for adoption.
Steffy went through all the checks with social worker, background checks etc to be an adoptive parent and was approved to have a child placed with her!! They showed the home visit remember???
It’s totally untrue that she bought a baby and knew who the child was!!!!
Wow the Steffy and Taylor hate is ridiculous!
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DeleteLynn to me that words of Hope‘s came simply because Liam was pushing. I did not read an admission of actual organic love in it. She kept repeating her number about being the only one, being seen etc. If it was real feelings why didn’t we hear that without the pressure, when Thomas was begging her to give them a chance.
DeleteAnd of course the actual big semantic difference was well played. I loved how Thomas himself repeated "You said you loved me FOR it" and the answer was... Wait for it... "I guess I did".
And Liam, I really hope he does something watch-worthy. I only draw the line at Sheila, he can’t come in cahoots with her. It would be amazing to see his character‘s true potential reveal.
Milla, great points about how and why the words were said on today’s episode. But yeah, Thomas is gonna take those words and run with them. Hell, he’ll probably get them tattooed on his chest!!! 😂😂😂😂
DeleteI think if Liam is gonna act this ridiculous, then yes, they should take the character all the way off the cliff and have him try to end Thomas’ life or something. At this point I don’t think I’ll ever like Liam again. What a psycho he’s turned into!!
DeleteI think I may like him the way I "like" evil Thomas 😀😀 I need a good villain to make the soap more exciting.
DeleteAnd Lynn even if they do get together, I hope you don't stop watching. It is very yucky indeed but I bet you anything it won't last. Hope has to live out her Brooke phase and that may include going all the way (commitment-wise) with Thomas to realize it's not it. That would make it even more rewarding when she can say she gave it a shot and learned that one-sided blind adoration (and trauma as a basis) cannot sustain a relationship.
DeleteMilla, if I stick with the show, there willl be lots of fast forwarding thru that happy little family. 😵💫😵💫😵💫
DeleteWhat’s weird to me is that I am on some FB B&B groups and there are so many people who are against Thomas and Hope, but on this blog we are definitely the minority. I just don’t get it. One poster wrote….”Liam needs some serious therapy.” And the response was….”So does Hope!!!” That's definitely true!!!
Look at you gals dissecting the words "I love you" from Hope to Thomas. 😝
DeleteFor months we've heard Hope say to Thomas that she doesn't feel the same, and she might never feel love for Thomas. She even said once that she doesn't know if she can ever love another man. Now, here she is telling Thomas that she loves him for the way he loves her. And when he sought confirmation that she said she loved him for loving her, she confirmed that she said those words. That's a HUGE step from her saying that she might never love him or that this is just a fling. She even said that she is open to having a baby with Thomas!
Also, she defended Thomas fiercely and told Liam that the cabin is no longer his home. She CHOSE Thomas! I dunno, but those are not the words of someone who is just having fun. It's also not the actions of someone who wants no strings.
Lynn I think the majority of people put a lot of weight on the "chemistry" and also on the comparison: devoted man vs. Liam the waffler. There's also the bad boy turned good/good girl turned bad thrill. The others (us) don't feel that this kind of history can be brushed off. Some things are in fact unforgivable and esp. when they involved children (Beth and Douglas). Or that chemistry justifies detailing your family. Those factors outweigh the thrill for us. Plus for me the step-sibling relationship they grew up in is huge ICK factor. I also believe that there are enough people who feel this way, maybe just not as represented here.
DeleteElle I know that's your perogative to see it as a big something and to be happy about it. I am happy that you're happy 😀 You can love me for my happiness for you, but it doesn't mean you're in love with me, or? 😀
I know it's not a comparable situation by any means 🤣 but my point is that you can love someone for a particular quality or way they treat you, and still that doesn't mean you're in love.
DeleteMilla 👏👏👏👍👍👍
DeleteI know that M (😂), and take note that I did not say that Hope is in love with Thomas. However, she said she loves him. It doesn't matter what kind of love it is. What's important is that she went from saying, "this is just sex, I need to hear you say I'm the only one, and I may never love you the way you want me to," to "I love you." That's progress! A step in the right direction. And when you tie it to her actions (defending Thomas and letting Liam know where he stands in her life), it looks very much like Hope is beginning to fall in love with Thomas.
DeleteAnd to add to your reasoning above about why we like Thomas and Hope together, we've also seen Thomas show genuine remorse for his past actions by vowing never to hurt Hope that way again. We've seen him apologize to Hope, Douglas, Brooke, Ridge and everyone whose lives were affected by his actions. He also has a level of maturity I've not seen from any other man on this show (other than Finn) and is so very protective of Hope, even against his own family. They have a history that not a lot of people can overcome to get to a place of full forgiveness, adoration, respect and love. That's why I love them together. 😍😍
DeleteThat's a good reasoning Elle ☺️ I certainly see Thomas' progress in the way that he is, even by the manner he speaks with Brooke (no longer gaslighting and disrespectful). I don't know if Hope is in a place of full forgiveness, to me it's impossible considering what happened. Let's see what happens. You root for love and I root for some thrill and drama. May the best storyline win 😅🤗
DeleteI disliked Thomas when there was the Beth thing. But he has changed a lot and is so kind and caring for Hope. Discussing with Brooke so well and being nice to everyone. If we all the time think the past, must dislike almost all of them 🤣 There is always someone I don't like. But the characters present is what matters to me 😀
DeleteYou raise a good point, Patologi. And I remember how Stephanie and Brooke were able to overcome their severely dysfunctional history. You want to talk about abuse? Stephanie gave it to Brooke for years! She even went so far as to pay a guy to sleep with Brooke (and he ended up raping her). Stephanie apologized to Brooke for how she treated her and Brooke was able to forgive her and love her in the end. They became friends even though Stephanie was brutal!
Delete😂 😂 Milla. May the best storyline win indeed!
DeleteYes, Stephanie didn't like Brooke at all. But they came friends. Why can't Brooke believe in Thomas at all 🤔 I can understand why she is concerned. But she should let Hope make the decisions herself. Hope has always done what the others wants. That's why it's so hard for Brooke.
DeleteElle, I know this was a big day for you and your fellow Thope fans. And I agree Hope appears to be moving in that direction. But I’m still hoping someone or something derails it before it makes it that far. That’s why I said in my comment above…..”She came dangerously close to saying “I love you” to Thomas.” I gotta say though (and reiterate what Milla said)….the circumstances with the heated conversation with Liam ultimately prompted Hope to say the things she did. Liam pushed her into a corner and she said some things that Mmysh, Milla and myself were not happy to hear!! I think Patologi also mentioned something similar on today’s show. So let’s say that Liam never came over, would Hope still have said / thought those same things?? Probably not. It comes down to whether or not she said it to get under Liam’s skin (which Liam deserves by the way!!), or whether she said those things because she was realizing her true feelings for Thomas?? Time will tell…..
DeletePatologi, I think that just like everyone believes Sheila can’t change (except Deacon of course), Brooke just doesn’t believe that Thomas will ever truly change for the good. She sees he has made improvements, and he absolutely has….but Brooke believes in her heart that it’s just a matter of time before he reverts back. That’s also what I believe as a viewer. I see Thomas reverting back as soon as this Hope affair goes south. It’s easy to be a ‘changed man’ when the stars are aligned for you. But the true character of a person shines through when things aren’t going well for you. That’s why I continue to say that Thomas will go off the rails when Hope dumps him.
DeleteBrilliant point Lynn. I also don't see Hope being prompted to say anything other than what she's been saying to Thomas so far, if she hadn't been triggered by Liam. Like you mentioned somewhere, let's see how that is clarified in the next weeks (btw only 3 episodes next week due to Thanksgiving and football).
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DeleteMilla, the points you raised to Elle (above) were right on! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteGood points lynn
DeleteSo sheila can’t change for some folks here and even for me
But sure they can say that
But we are not allowed to have the same opinion about thomas
A man who has a smile on his face when he drove emma to her death
Standing there to make sure she is gone
And then left to hope so he can still take advantage of the situation so when hope will hear the news he will be there to comfort her
That a psychopath behavior
And according to some psychos can’t change when it comes to sheila
The difference is that thomas as you said all the stars aligned for him
He has a family to protect him and even cover up for his crimes
And giving him a chance after another
Things others don’t have
For me he is not much different than sheila but different circumstances
But sure what we see here is different even logic is not the one that we now when it comes to some characters
I don’t think we can compare Sheila to Thomas. Sheila is literally certifiable. She has never admitted she needs help or sought treatment. She has always her victims and has literally done nothing to show she’s changed or done any work on herself.
DeleteSheila is literally homicidal and can kill coldly with no remorse.
Thomas is Nothing like her. Thomas is still in therapy etc and has shown changes over time.
Sheila is psychopath/ sociopath and literally incapable of love. She can mimic it to manipulate others but is unable to feel the real thing. She will turn on Deacon in a heartbeat and kill him without issue if he gets in her way. She will kill Steffy without a second thought.
Thomas isn’t those things
BBFAN, I don’t agree. We saw Thomas grinning as he stood at the edge of the cliff after Emma’s car had gone off the side of the road and she was presumed dead. He definitely had a smug look of satisfaction on his face. No call to 911 - nothing!!!
DeleteAlso, like I mentioned….he has everything he wants right now - so what’s there to be crazy / psycho about? He’s bedding Hope, he has his position at Forrester on a line that shines, his family all support him and are proud of him. As I said earlier….the stars are currently aligned for Thomas. But what happens when they aren’t?? What then? I say he goes back to being crazy Thomas. And quite honestly, if Finn and Steffy would welcome Sheila into their lives, we may see Sheila make a dramatic change as well. Sheila has never had that opportunity, so we aren’t comparing apples to apples.
Sheila is a psychopath who has murdered more than once, kidnapped and swapped babies, stolen other people’s identities, kidnapped and held people hostage, not to mention all the attempts to murder people and she has NO remorse at all! She has refused therapy etc and she had a chance at love with Eric and got turfed out for cheating on him and trying to pass off another man’s baby as his !!! Eric loved her at one point and treated her like a queen!
DeleteShe shot and tried to kill Steffy and her husband and she should be welcomed in with open arms? Sorry but again the Thomas situation is 100 different!
Lynn, I'm on the moon! Haven't stopped watching. 😂🥰
DeleteHope may not have said those words to Thomas if Liam hadn't shown up, but she just didn't pull them out of a hat either. She would not have said it at all. Remember, she admitted to Liam prior that she and Thomas were just having sex, to which Liam responded that it was not like her to be that way. Liam was a trigger alright. A trigger that made her realize how she truly felt. And how ironic that Liam practically pushed Hope into Thomas' arms when they were still married and now, he made her realize her true feelings for Thomas.
Correct BBFan! 👏🏻👏🏻 Thomas is nowhere close to the maniac that Sheila is.
DeleteOK, ladies, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the worst kind of maniac, Thomas may only be a 7. Is that truly what you are bragging about?? Thomas wins cuz he’s not quite as loony as Sheila?? LMAO!
DeleteElle, like I said, Friday could have been a one-off whereby Hope never says anything close to that again to Thomas. You know the writers love to take us down rabbit holes for nothing sometimes. The weeks ahead will be telling. But at the very least you will always have Hope’s “I guess I did!” to hold onto. 😁😁
DeleteI remember us Brooke fans thought something was going to come from Finn telling Hope she was way too good for Thomas. But that fell flat. I’m simply saying this Friday cliffhanger could easily fall flat as well. Maybe what you really have to look forward to is less confrontation / arguing from me if I decide to boycott the show if Hope actually tells Thomas the words….”I love you.” 😂😂😂
In all seriousness, I’m glad you’re happy. And like Milla said….May the best storyline win!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁😁😁
And also Lynn, what you say makes me think: if it takes Liam (to whom she even now said a real "I love you" without any "for X" or "I guess") and the conflict with him to say those things about Thomas, while the "romantic", passionate moments just with Thomas where he was adoring her were not enough to prompt her... What does it say about that relationship? Such words shouldn't have to be pried out of someone's lips or be said in retaliation to another lover... At least in my world.
DeleteAnd yes in his most psycho moments Thomas was definitely a solid 7 😅 he has whole 3 levels to grow! 🙈
DeleteMilla maybe if he had the sheila circumstance he will be 10
DeleteAs ling as he has it in him the degree doesn’t matter that much
As a Thope fan, I LOVED this episode!!! Especially the ending!!! ❤️
ReplyDeleteLiam looking in the window at Hope & Thomas kissing was the best.
Delete😂😳💋👨❤️💋👨💋😳😂
The BEST!
DeleteTHE BEST EPISODE BY FAR THIS YEAR!!!
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DeleteThese characters are truly dysfuctional sick individuals!
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DeleteLove Hopeless today ❤️I can love you but doesn't mean I should mistreated by you. Bravo Hope!
ReplyDeleteHi Bob. Thank you so....so....so....much
ReplyDeleteWow FinnAgin! From a 6pack to a SOLID 8pack! Whewwww 😙
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WooHoo! Hope just gave Liam a wakeup call to reality or a Dagger of truth into his face. BRAVO HOPE!
ReplyDeleteHope was on point! She made her feelings for him, and for Thomas very clear. Buh-bye Liam! I have longed for this day for so long where both Steffy and Hope would stand up for themselves and reject Liam. It was pure gold!
DeleteYes, now I'm happy 😀 Bravo Hope!!
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DeleteI don't really like Hope with Thomas because of all the past stuff, but I'm glad she told Liam off! The whole conversation lasted way too long for me. I wouldn't have let him in the door. I would have said "I'm busy. I'm expecting a guest. You don't live here anymore. Please don't come here again without calling first. Unless it's an emergency". Then slammed the door in his face. Liam is just mad because he doesn't have anyone to get hot and heavy with.
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DeleteHope said that Beth is not there. But Liam wanted to come in. Now Liam is totally lost because women don't want him back. I wonder what is he up to next.. He runs to Steffy, that's for sure.
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ReplyDeleteEeeeeeekkkkkkkk. Be still my beating heart! ♥️♥️♥️ She finally said it! Hope loves Thomas! 💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻 What a change from "I don't know if I'll ever love you!" And, she wants a baby with him! I didn't see that one coming.
ReplyDeleteLoved Hope finally telling Liam off today. Liam never truly knew her because he was too busy controlling and cheating on her. Brava Hope! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
No, Elle….i don’t think you heard her correctly. I’m sure in coming episodes that will probably be clarified. Don’t get your hopes up.
DeleteAnd she absolutely did not say she wants a baby with Thomas. What she did say is that she DOESN’T want a baby with Liam. Hope didn’t even bring up the idea of a baby, that was Liam who said it. And she told Liam….What I know is that I don’t want a baby with you.
DeleteIf you think that translates to “I want a baby with Thomas”, then I would disagree.
Telling someone you love them for how much they love you is NOT the same as telling someone you are in love with them.
DeleteHope said she loves Thomas for loving her not that she said she’s in loves with Thomas she hasn’t said she loves him yet , and yes she said she won’t have a baby with Liam she was trying to say she’d rather have one with Thomas
DeleteUnknown, Hope said she “was open to anything.” Then Liam threw out the idea of another baby. Hope responded that she certainly would not want a baby with Liam. She never mentioned Thomas’ name in terms of fathering a child with her. But the inference could have been she would prefer Thomas to be the dad in this hypothetical baby scenario.
DeleteHowever, I was responding to Elle’s comment that “Hope wants a baby with Thomas”….and Hope never said that. I think it was a big stretch to draw that conclusion.
I know that’s what i was getting at that’s what I meant
DeleteThat was a hint for her having one with Thomas I reckon
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DeleteUnknown, you were definitely right about Hope and Thomas getting together and having a sexual relationship. But if she ever actually ‘falls in love with him’, that will be the end for me. I just won’t be able to stomach it.
DeleteMy comments were generalized, Lynn. And I used generalization to show the contrast between what Hope had been saying before to what she is saying now.
DeleteYes, Liam brought up the idea of her wanting a baby and Hope's response was "I might." Liam then said "with Thomas" and asked if she was on birth control to which Hope replied that it was none of his business. Liam brought Thomas into the baby-making equation and her response was "certainly not with you." They were talking about Thomas, so who else would she want a baby with?
Because Liam mentioned a baby.. Hope haven't thought about that. But of course she wants to hurt Liam and says that maybe 😀
DeleteI don't think she said it to hurt Liam but him bringing it up made her consider the possibility. And if she does want to have Thomas' baby, it means that this is no longer "just sex" for her. She wants the whole package now.
DeleteMaybe she and Thomas will want to get married and Liam is going to refuse to file the divorce papers. There has to be a reason that he hasn't filed them as yet.
I'll hope that they're gonna have a real loving relationship and Liam sees that Hope is very happy 😀 There are no other women for Liam at this soap 🤔
DeleteI got the feeling that Hope’s conversation with Liam made her think and she realised she loves Thomas. It surprised her but it wasn’t unwelcome! She even reiterated it to Thomas himself so it wasn’t just a hurt Liam thing.
DeleteShe told Liam she’s with Thomas now and if she’s thinking on having a baby who else would she be having it with??
If Hope saying “I guess I did” is some profession of love, that’s a pretty sorry statement. If I were Thomas I’d be really disappointed that that was how Hope finally said those magical words to me.
DeleteIt's okay if some don't approve or don't buy into Hope's love for Thomas just because of how she said it. It's out there now. There's no more holding back on Hope's part so, pretty soon there will be some more acceptable, or rather, believable, admissions of love from Hope to Thomas. I'm certain of it.
DeleteBBFan, I agree.
DeleteLiam came and it was the same old 'Thomas is bad,' 'after all he has put us through' song and dance. It made Hope realize that her marriage to Liam wasn't all that it was cracked up to be. It also made her realize that she was mourning over something she no longer wanted. And that was when she was able to finally realize that Thomas is the one who makes her happy. ❤️❤️❤️ Liam even made her realize that she might want another baby with Thomas.
We’ll see. There’s lots of speculation right now. We’ll just have to wait and see. It could definitely take a bad turn just as easily. Just sayin’.
DeleteWow. What an episode. I just love, love, loved it.
ReplyDeleteGood on you Hope for not being railroaded by Liam. Liam is nothing but a dog
OH Aussie Deb, Dogs are much more loyal than him.
DeleteI can't stop watching it! It was so good!
DeleteSo wonderful finally ♥️
DeleteBrava 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Deleteomg!!! best episode in forever, I didn't want it to end. Liam was dragged, gutted, castrated and humiliated. Wow! I can go to sleep and not watch anything else.
ReplyDeleteI am satisfied!
Hahaha. Indeed! Hope was awesome!
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DeleteThank you Bob for my weekly fix 🐦
ReplyDeleteThat’s about right, Jason.
ReplyDeleteBut I dislike Thomas less than I used to because he’s definitely behaving much better. However, I will never like him for Hope. And I still think he should pay for some of his past deeds. But most characters on the show get a get-outa-jail free card. And he is no different.
Hope you made a decision to kiss Thomas knowing Liam was not flirting or coming on to Stephanie!! Liam your decision not to forgive her after you both hurted each other for years!!
ReplyDeleteThey did not hurt each other for years. Liam hurt Hope (and Steffy) for years while Hope just stood by and took it. He almost gained another child by a different woman while being married to Hope!
DeleteHope did not hurt Liam. Hope hurt just few months by working with Thomas. It made Liam worried. But not actually hurt him. Liam slept with Steffy and Hope forgave him. With Thomas it was one kiss and Liam wanted a divorce. Thomas is a perfect man for Hope now.
DeleteThomas, Brooke gave you good advice that Hope is not herself! Also Thomas Hope told you that she fears that she is becoming her Mother and you refuse to listen! Thomas when the day comes that Hope dismiss you be a man and except you brought it on your self because she told you that she is not in love with you!!!
ReplyDeleteHope was lost when Liam left. She should have been alone for few months before beginning something with Thomas. She was a little unstable. But now it seems like she's fine and enjoying life. She is not missing Liam anymore.
DeleteHope wants this with Steffy He is yearning for Steffy
ReplyDeleteLiam knows he wants Steffy and Hope thinks it's all about her lol
Thank you Bob xxxx
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DeleteWOOOW Liam playing both sides... What an ASS !!
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ReplyDeleteJason, I never thought of that, but maybe Vinny’s death did contribute to an awakening for Thomas.
ReplyDeleteIf I didn’t know about Thomas’ past deeds, and just saw him for who he is today, I would think he was a great guy!! I just can’t let go of the horrible things he did to Hope enough to ever root for them as a couple. Mmysh and I have both said….It’s OK that she find forgiveness for what he’s done to her. But we don’t think that finding forgiveness for him should ever result in Hope actually falling in love with him. It’s just way too far of a stretch for me. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Far as I'm concerned hope and Liam we're fine before she started fantasising about Thomas. I do feel for Liam and Beth. Good acting in this pisode
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DeleteBut who could liam hate the man who manipulated his wife and try to break their marriage and hide the truth about their daughter
How in hell he dare want hope to stay away from him oh that’s abuse
But what thomas did was ok not abuse at all 😂😂😂😂
Liam always treate Hope like a child and literally told her that HFTF was a nice hobby but she could just leave it and start something new. Really??? Liam told Hope what to think, remember him forbidding her to have a relationship with Deacon? He cheated on her and thought he fathered a child with his Steffy but Hope was supposed to suck it up and be a good little wife. Yet she kisses Thomas once and it’s the unpardonable sin??
DeleteLiam was an emotionally abusive pig! Still is! I don’t believe for a second he loves and wants Hope back. He just wants to keep her away from Thomas. I’m glad she saw through his lies and told him where to go!
Oh how the lies just drip off his tongue and he’s losing his bloody mind!
Blah blah blah sorry bbfan
DeleteAll of IF its true it hypocritical since you ship for thomas who is worse and disgusting and a MURDERER
so please spare us this facade
So true, BBFan. Liam was being his usual manipulative self, lying to Hope about loving her the same way he did when they got married. The little puke! He never loved her. Look how quickly he ran to Steffy. Just like with mannequin-gate. It's as Hope said. Liam always had Steffy on the back burner while waiting for Hope to mess up.
DeleteSo true..he only wants to try and control Hope now because Steffy is starting to show him she's not jumping when he says jump.
DeleteExactly D. Liam did not think that Hope would actually still be involved with Thomas because he would have already played his little mind game on her after Beth's birthday party and thought she would have fallen into a puddle at his feet, especially since she cut off Thomas and came back to him wanting to work on their marriage. So he thought he could just mosey on back to little, clueless Hope who he thought was sitting at home waiting for him to return to her. The little imbecil. I loved when Hope said "You threw us away, Liam."
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ReplyDeleteHe is not better that vinny
ReplyDeleteActually we don’t know that much about vinny
But when thomas used to abuse his son and call him names vinny used to stand up for Douglas and tell tommy that he can’t and shouldn’t call his son those names or treat him like that
So no vinny has no bad influence on tommy its all by himself
Vinny was actually weirdly invested in Thomas' happiness 😅🙈 he was the one who switched Steffy's paternity test to make it look like Liam is the father.
ReplyDeleteVinny was a drug dealer too lest we forget. Just saying!
ReplyDeleteMy comment to Jason was based on Thomas possibly having an awakening after Vinny’s death. That maybe Thomas realized life is fragile and he simply decided he wanted to be a better man after Vinny’s passing. But don’t get me wrong, I’ve always been of the opinion that Thomas will revert back to his old ways.
ReplyDeleteBob, it keeps on saying buffering. Can you fix it?? I live overseas now and you were the only one who could make me see it. I will be eternally grateful as always. TY.
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ReplyDeleteAnd what Mmysh said is true about Thomas’ exploiting Douglas to try to win Hope’s affection. Vinny told Thomas he was not right to do that. Thomas has done so many terrible things to poor Douglas.
ReplyDeleteWell bbfan we know what vinny was
ReplyDeleteBut but you can’t influence someone to be a psychopath
Sorry to break it to you
And lynn
ReplyDeleteThe CPS call was after vinny passed away
So not that much awakening call
Yes thomas did good back then to tell the truth about what vinny did
But it also shows how such a hypocrite he is
He wanted the one who did that to his friend before knowing the whole truth to root in jail while he had no remorse about what he dud to emma
Mmysh, I was thinking the CPS call came later as well. So you are correct, Thomas was still up to no good pretty recently, and after Vinny’s passing.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, Thomas is always just one tragedy away from reverting back to Mr Hyde. Someone who is that unpredictable / unstable is never a good person to plan a future with, much less have a baby with!!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Sometimes I wonder how smart Hope is? She is still very naive given her age.
There is only one person on the show who thinks Thomas is unstable, that's Liam. Everyone else, including Brooke, has seen the changes in him. So, does that make all of them dumb? Is Liam the only smart one?
ReplyDelete”This is the guy who let us think our daughter was dead and you invite him into that same daughter's home? (...) Beth wouldn't even be in our lives if Thomas had his way. We would still be grieving right now. Do you think about that? (...) As an exercise maybe just try to imagine a life without Beth. Just imagine that. Imagine what kind of mind it takes to see your grieve, to see your suffering and think "oh, this is going according to plan". Just imagine that for a second ”
ReplyDeleteWell lynn hope is so dumb and naive because even if these words came from the dumb liam 😂 ( dumb still better than a psychopath) its still true
she is so shallow and naive, if she remove sex for a secondfrom her mind and imagine that maybe she can see how evil he was. 🤮🤮
She needs therapy not just liam
thinking this is something good and healthy and stable is absurd
Sure same standards doesn’t apply to all characters
And for beth‘s sake its good liam will not forget
Uh, no Elle…..Brooke definitely thinks Thomas can revert back to his old ways. Brooke has said as much more than once. That’s the reason Brooke doesn’t want her daughter with Thomas. It’s also why Finn is against the idea of Hope and Thomas together. Not to mention Deacon, and of course Liam. Even Bill thinks Thomas is certifiable. Lol.
ReplyDeleteJason, 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
ReplyDeleteYes, Mmysh….agreed, Hope definitely needs therapy for her own issues. She is very insecure and needy. And her attraction to Thomas is based 100% on those issues. There is absolutely nothing healthy or natural about their relationship.
ReplyDeleteIt is doomed. So at least I have that to hold onto. Lol.
Even Taylor and Steffy are worried Thomas is not immune to reverting to his old ways. That's why they voiced (rightfully) their concerns. Thomas has shown a lot of change. But that could be only so that we are that much more shocked when he does something Thomas-like under the "right" circumstances. Thomas' history of instability dates way back to three actors ago 😅 I am amazed Brooke is holding her tongue about how he tried to kill her son a few times. Hope is just his most recent and traumatized victim.
ReplyDeleteAnd what everyone seems to be forgetting is that Thomas is in therapy. He isn't shacking up with Hope like Sheila with Deacon, claiming that he has changed, with Hope swearing to everybody that Thomas is not going to hurt anyone anymore. Thomas is actively working on his issues. But I guess his efforts are all for nought in the eyes of some, because Thomas will always be the sick and demented murderer he used to be. Thank goodness Hope was able to forgive and move past that. It's rather unfair to continue to define someone by their past but it is what it is.
ReplyDeleteGo Thomas and Hope! 😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️
Yet Flow who lied about being Beth’s birth mother for money from Dr R and kept it a secret all that time was forgiven because she’s a Logan and gave Katie a kidney! Or Zoe who knew all and told every to keep quiet got full forgiveness! But yes it was ALL Thomas! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
ReplyDeleteBBFan, 🤫 🤫 🤫 Flo and Zoe aren't having sex or an intimate relationship with Hope, so what they did is okay and forgiveable. It's only Thomas who doesn't deserve forgiveness or deserve to make amends. He didn't give Katie a kidney. He just showed his remorse, is actively in therapy, apologized over and over, and saved HFTF. That's all. He's the absolute worst!
ReplyDeleteIt's not the sex relationship to Hope that makes what they did vastly different to what he did. We all saw the aggression and manipulation with which he handled everything vs the anxiety, guilt and willingness to go to prison of Flo. He never apologized or even admitted his part in what happened to Emma. Any decent human being, even if they wouldn't call it murder, would see their responsibility.
ReplyDeleteBig whoops that he "saved" HFTF. Next time, try to save a human life by at least calling 911 and don't stand there content that she's dying.
ReplyDeleteThanks milla you said it all
ReplyDeleteWhile we always being accused (false sure) with bringing up other characters to try to defend one
But look now how they are bringing flo and Zoey
And good elle herself said the murderer he used to be 🫢
And btw ladies what we said about flo and Zoey i know its bitter to swallow but still true
And big difference
And reese in prison isn’t he 🤔
And back then flo wasn’t a logen yet
But thomas was and a close we who grow up with as her big step brother 🤮
And all of these are not excuses like you love to find any excuse for tommy boy
These are facts of the difference between them while they are not related anyway even you admit or not
But sure you need something to be brought up like anything
Still none of them enjoyed watching hope suffering and oh the plan is working as i want it to be 🤮🤮
Yeah milla he finished the hunger and suffering and make a big difference in the world by saving the line
ReplyDelete😂😂😂😂😂
It's rather unfair to continue to define someone by their past but it is what it is.
ReplyDeleteBut you ladies define brook by her past
How convenient
And btw he never made up for his past or even pay
Apologizing is not enough in some cases especially when it wasn’t to everyone he hurt
And especially when apologizing to someone already not there to accept this apology
Or at least her family
Or even admit the things people don’t know about and apologize for to come totally clean
Make amends like real ones
Not saving a fashion line (serious stuff indeed 😂) a line that he got paid big bucks for
Redemption is not done by apologizing in some cases
But sure fir thomas sorry for caused you losing you life in such a young age
I will not do it again to you i promise 😂😂
Absolutely Mmysh. You are not defining him by what he did (and apologized for wohooo). Rather by what he didn't do. Which is nothing, he didn't do anything for Emma, to this day. And none of the excuses his fans have for how and where anyone was driving matter. He chased her to her death (as per Matt himself). If one day he makes amends or even acknowledges what his actions led to, if he even utters the name Emma... I will look at him with different eyes. But until then no, Thomas remains a psychopath who lives way too comfortably with it.
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ReplyDeleteOr apologized to the fake letter he wrote as its from Caroline
Or an apology to liam for drugging him and then to his sister because after that night she got her hopes high to be disappointed again
Or to Douglas for the ghost that scared him to death
Or maybe redemption doesn’t mean coming clean or these actions is worthy of an apology
But wait he save a fashion line inly rich people can afford it whoops he should get the noble prize for peace ✌🏻
Everyone was after Thomas when they realized he knew about Beth and so he did whatever it took to get what he wanted. Of course it's not okay. Noone ever said it was. If people went after Flo or Zoe for their criminal acts, we don't know what they would have done. It's called self-preservation. Sheila does it all the time. Zoe was ashamed of what her father had done but she was also deathly afraid of what would happen to him if anyone found out. Flo only wanted to come clean when things between her and Wyatt started to get serious and he proposed to her, and she was also deathly afraid of what would happen to her. Based on that, they might have also gone to lengths to protect the secret.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Bill go to lengths and committed several crimes just so noone would find out that Liam ran over Vinny and killed him? Didn't Justin kidnap Thomas and locked him in a cage just so Thomas wouldn't tell anyone that he was behind Bill and Liam being in jail? Didn't Bill actually commit attempted murder by throwing Ridge out of a helicopter into the ocean just so he could have his way with Brooke? Didn't Ridge commit a crime by actually raping Brooke just because he did not want her to be with whatshisname? I can go on and on about the many crimes people have committed on this show just to get what they wanted. Yet, it seems all of these people can be forgiven. And the ironic thing is that Thomas did not commit any crimes. Refusing to call 911 is not a crime.
Again i don’t know what’s the point of bringing up even more characters
ReplyDeleteWhich we never said they are not at wrong or we forget what they did like you always try imply and again none of us said its ok
In the other hand we never denied something our favorite did
Because it’s shameful to defend it or find excuses like drove emma to her death
While all the characters you mentioned none of them is my favorite
And btw here in Europe not calling for help is actually a crime
But what is more important even if by law it isn’t a crime but its still something inhumane and shameful thing to do at the end of the day
Sure if we go with your opinion that he has nothing to do with emma’s death
Which in fact he did
Pulling in other characters does absolutely nothing to make the Thomas case any less relevant Elle. It doesn't make what Thomas did to Emma disappear. We have Thomas now and what he's doing. The whataboutism doesn't work. At all.
ReplyDeleteIf we had Bill right now doing something that is relevant to his history with Vinny, then your argument would stand. I can pull all kinds of other ugly stuff Steffy has done. Equally as irrelevant to Thomas and his relation to Hope *now*. Thomas chased a woman to her death and now is living carefree and getting under the skin (in more ways than one) of the woman he did all this for. And she has no idea.
ReplyDeleteExactly milla
ReplyDeleteNone of us made excuses for bill back then
Even his instinct to protect liam wasn’t valid for me
But even so didn’t he went to jail ?
He and liam
And what you mentioned is just perfection
That why i wonder what a fool hope will feel if she knew the things she doesn’t know
If thomas is really changed and he he is good at his core (not)
And hope is the woman he love and he will do anything for her
Let him start clean and confess to her how far he went
Just between him and her
No need for others to know as a start
But since he has no remorse or even any feeling of guilt because he doesn’t see these things as bad actions
But only people with conscience got hunted by their misdeeds
Indeed. Apart from the total irrelevance to Thomas and to *now*, in all those examples of whataboutism those people faced up to what they did and faced some consequences. To this day it is mentioned that Bill threw Ridge off the helicopter on the show and he lost Brooke because of it back then. Apart from that, nobody is making excuses for him. And what did Thomas suffer for chasing a young innocent woman to her *deathe and watching her happily *die*? What kind of maniac doesn't even think about it, let alone look for ways to make up for it? A person without conscience, that's who.
ReplyDeleteI'm not engaging in whataboutism. I'm showing the hypocrisy of always bringing up Thomas' faults on a daily basis whether or not he's onscreen yet, with the exception of Bill, we see these other characters almost daily as well, yet nothing is said about them.
ReplyDeleteFor example, people were actually defending Sheila against Li just recently. How come we don't hear about Sheila being a murderous sociopath on a daily basis? We see Ridge on the show daily. How come we don't hear about him being a rapist pig on a daily basis and hear how Brooke is a fool for being with him? From time to time, we see Bill. How come we don't hear about him being a narcissistic criminal on a daily basis whether he is onscreen or not? But yet, we have to hear about Thomas the murderer on a daily basis even when he's not onscreen. And of all the people I've listed here, Thomas is the ONLY one who is actually trying to make amends. Not a single one of the others have even as much as apologized for their behavior.
I don't know who those "people" are Elle. But defending Sheila against Li in itself 1. Doesn't mean excusing her psycho behavior 2. Is so so irrelevant on the topic of anything. None of those of us discussing here have defended Sheila. And I only bring up Thomas when he is a focus of some discussion. While you guys, because you know what he did is indefensible, keep trying with dragging unrelated examples of people who have *faced consequences for what they did*. Thomas never made amends for the worst thing he did. But big bravo for apologizing for Beth. That makes it all better. Not.
ReplyDeleteAnd what you're doing is the literal definition of whataboutism. You are literally saying "how about" plus bringing other people to distract from the topic of something indefensible.
And again, we bring up Thomas' sins which are relevant to Hope. We can bring up soooooo many other criminal things he's done (that have no relation to the current plot) that a whole night won't suffice. Me bringing them up when you, for example, are bashing Brooke's *current* behavior would be whataboutism.
ReplyDeleteApparently i should write it again
ReplyDeletewhen thomas is not related to the episode we/i don’t bring up his crimes unless he is related like this episode
it is not my style anyway
But again if you like to think otherwise i can’t stop you but i know what im commenting
All Eric’s focused episodes comments as an example even the episodes with thomas in it
We didn’t even wrote about him
He was on screen btw but the episode wasn’t related to he and hope SL
which totally repeal the daily basis claims of yours
You can check btw
I hope i will not need to write this comment again and again
And its so funny about ridge that you defend him like insane against his dying father while we don’t we were all for eric
But then he is the rapist when it suits you narratives
That’s actually absurd
We always were against sheila
Not only one her actions against our favorites
I guess milla covered the rest
Y'all aren't understanding what I'm trying to say. It has nothing to do with whataboutism.
ReplyDeleteNobody admits when it is whataboutism, Elle. It's like saying "it's nothing to do with racism". When the indicators are there, they are there.
ReplyDeleteBottom line is that Thomas never faced consequences for the worst thing he ever did and is living happily while the woman he did said thing for has no idea. Plain and simple. I don't care about others, you brought them up, not me. I'm talking about Thomas.
Just caught up on the past few episodes. All I can say after reading all these comments. Elle & BBfan you have patience. The whataboutism that keeps being brought up, and didn't someone say not long ago to stop bringing up the past and the whataboutism? smh . Hope??? go girl. Loved Friday's show. She should have said to Liam "Feed your own ego, I'm busy" and slammed the door. She really pricked his balls and deflated his ego. It's about time someone did. Really enjoyable show for a change.
ReplyDeleteMilla does anybody face consequences on a soap?? It's fiction and that's what makes soaps so enjoyable for a lot of people.
ReplyDeleteLike Mmysh, I'm done engaging with the "what about x, y, z" and "others". Thomas is Thomas. And he is a psycho.
ReplyDeleteSo are half the characters on the show. Your point?
ReplyDeleteMy point is up there. Bye.
ReplyDelete"Nobody admits when it is whataboutism, Elle"
ReplyDeleteBBFan "whatabout-ed" about Flo and Zoe.
I responded that it's only Thomas' misdeeds that are unforgiveable.
You and Mmysh continued to talk about all of the things he did that were unforgiveable and justified it with he is in a current storyline.
I then wondered as to why YOU ALL continue to bring up Thomas being a lying, psychopath murderer everyday even when he is not onscreen.
I further stated that other characters (and this is where I gave the EXAMPLES of Ridge, Bill etc., not WHATABOUTISMs) are in current storylines as well so, how come YOU ALL don't bring up their criminal pasts every single day like YOU ALL do with Thomas.
It was not about "well, look at what this one did or, look at what that one did." It was about why YOU ALL keep bringing up one person's misdeeds every single day and not the others even though the others (except for Bill) are in current storylines just like Thomas is. I would really like to know why that is.
Because there was not only an entire current storyline about Ridge chasing Brooke in Rome, but also about him and his dad being in competition, and I heard not one single thing about the rapist pig Ridge.
We currently have a storyline about Sheila and Deacon and just recently she went up against Li and all I heard was how horrible Li is but not a single daily exclamation about all the horrible things Sheila has done. Yet, for some reason unbeknownst to me, Thomas' past is brought up every single day.
I reiterate... my post was not about whataboutism. I was simply making an observation and used some examples to try to explain my point. However, it went over y'all heads somewhere because y'all thought I was talking about the characters, which I was not. My post was about what is being posted about one character and not the others who actually committed criminal acts.
And, btw, Thomas saving Hope for the future was brought up in relation to that particular storyline regarding him and Hope. However, he also saved Bill and Liam from being lost in prison for a very long time. However, it seems that is forgotten. Matter of fact, all of Thomas' good deeds are forgotten. It's only his misdeeds are remembered.
Elle, when he never even acknowledged it (unlike all the others you mentioned), that's gonna be happening. Brooke knows what Ridge did to her. He has admitted, regretted it and took even punches for it.
ReplyDeleteAnd sorry but ranting about Sheila is like ranting about a hurricane. Of course it's horrible, and of course everyone condemns it. Do you really need others to say that a Scorpio stings and has been stinging? Apart from 1 person I have not seen anyone defend Sheila.
If you want me to, every time when I bring up Thomas I will have a ready disclaimer to paste "and Sheila is no better" 😂 don't know if that will change anything.
Thomas is Thomas. And nothing about what anyone did or how or what happened after will EVER change anything about Thomas. The only thing that will change it is if he acknowledges at least to himself driving a woman to her death. And remembering watching her with a smile die.
Lol Jason.
ReplyDeleteMilla, so now all of the Thomas hate comes down to Emma? The thing about that is that Thomas did not kill Emma. He did not commit any crime. So you are hating on him because he smiled at the scene of her accident? He has apologized for everything else but you are holding on to this one thing that he has supposedly not admitted to or apologized for? No need for a response. This is just me wondering out loud.
Btw, I'm still in my happy place about Hope telling Thomas that she loves him. 😂😂