The Bold and the Beautiful 11-20-23 Full episode B&B 20th November 2023
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ReplyDeleteBill always loves the person in the room or the next person who walks in. Poppy will do until someone else walks in so he can profess true love to that person. (At some point soon-to-be.)
DeleteI must have missed something last week. When did HFTF get put on the back burner?? And Zende must have been practicing acting on his time off. It was a totally different side of him and he played it well.
ReplyDeleteThe plot thickens...Bill knows Poppy from somewhere. 🤔
I also found that Luna was kinda obsessed with Steffy. Fangirling much?
DeleteEric wants to do an encore line and Ridge said today that they are going to give Eric what he wants. It appears that HFTF has been temporarily shelved in favor of Eric's encore collection.
D, it seems to b the theme with the writers these days, to skip a whole part of the show.. it’s like when they Soras the kids.. the parts we want skipped they drag out!! Yes, Zende certainly did show another side of himself, but at the same time I don’t blame.. what Eric is doing is unfair to Zende and Thomas.. if he is going to halt one of the big lines like Hope for the future then he should at least involve all his grandkids in his line or something that is fair.. and Zende should know his grandfather is dying.. Sorry but if Hope can be told who is no relation to Eric then Zende who is his grandson should know.. it’s not fair RJ, Steffy and Thomas know , but not Zende.. And I think Bill is Luna’s father.. The way he kept looking at Poppi, it was in a way like he was confused rather simple attraction.. Then the way Poppi pulled that facial expression when Bill asked if they know each other?? I think she just put on a good show!!
DeleteAgree Colly...Zende does have a right to be P.O. and played the part well today (just not a fan of his buzz cut) he was better looking with hair. What Eric is doing is unfair to everyone but I can see where he too is coming from. Everyone deals with mortality differently. I felt RJ's pain today too. The reality is hitting him now. It's going to get alot harder for everyone. But Bill being the father of Luna? I can't see, but then again I don't know alot of the past history of the show. They both put on a good show if they were at one time intimate with each other?
DeleteAaaaa Poppy and Bill 😍 I was just fishing when I said it, but Dollar Bill directly noticed her 😏is he the mystery daddy?
ReplyDeleteGeesh Zende hasn't been on screen for half a year and now directly starting a conflict. That's about as realistic as everything else happening. I hope though that he does something about it other than complain.
So now HFTF is "benched", ah the horror 😅 whatever we'll do without Hope and Thomas pretending to work as a foreplay?
Zende was on screen at the fashion show Eric and ridges
DeleteYes I meant that he hasn't been active on screen. Like talking and doing anything 😅
DeleteI can't see Bill being the daddy. He looked really puzzled as to where he knows or recognizes her from. She didn't seem to know him at all. Maybe they will become a couple and the mysterious past will be exposed.
DeleteMilla maybe bill is the Genghis Khan of soap, spreading his seeds everywhere 😂😂😂
DeleteOmg I can't 🤣😭💀
DeleteIts seems eric has a USD (unknown soap disease 🦠) 😂😂
DeleteI hope they will find him a cure
And why they are not telling zande he has the right to know too
And poor RJ he has to be misunderstood and can’t explain himself
Or milla since they are covering all the human races now in the the show
DeleteWe will have some character from dubai or abu dhabi
Bill spent sometime there
The still need some from the Middle East as a character 😂😂😂😂
All I heard on today’s show was Luna saying to Poppy..….”And the best thing of all, Steffy isn’t even arrogant.” After that, I spent the rest of the episode laughing!!!! 😂😂
DeleteBill seems to know Poppy, and Poppy’s face wasn’t dismissing the idea of the them knowing each other. So we’ll see.
Indeed lynn
DeleteI guess luna is lucky to be Finn’s family
Ah yes Steffy is not even arrogant 😅poor Luna, that line can only mean one thing - I'm in for a rude awakening. I'm about to learn (in a painful manner) that exactly the opposite is true.
DeleteBill wants Poppy!
ReplyDeleteI think Bill has already had Poppi!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeletePopping Poppy 😂🙈
DeleteLmao! 😂 😂 😂 😂
Delete🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteI’m pretty sure Bill is Luna’s father. Poppy isn’t going to remind him if he can’t remember one of his many many conquests and yet another child he fathered. He was quite generous with his attentions back in the day!
DeletePoppy had that look of seriously you don’t remember how you know me?? Whatever! I got the feeling she doesn’t want him to remember and suss out Luna is his daughter.
Bill was being very magnanimous with Luna. I think Bill is going to have an aha moment and he’ll be sneaky getting a paternity test. Wouldn’t Li be furious, especially given that Bill looks like he still fancies Poppy!
My internet connection has something wrong and video doesn't play 😭 But in comments I can see what happened 😀
ReplyDeleteSame here, not been able to watch from EU for the past week. Mr.Bob Klod please try to fix this issue if possible!
DeleteFB B&B groups as some suggested, are sadly quite late as well as not consistent with episodes!
Now here is a new working video.
Deletedoesn't sheila have other kids? they should bring one back to cause trouble.
ReplyDeleteAnd there you have it!! Either Bill was being really really cheesy with his pick up lines, or he is Luna’s long lost father!! I think it’s the later!! Bill’s long lost kids just keep popping up out of nowhere!! Well, wait till Luna finds out her father is ten times richer than RJ’s family 🤣🤣🤣 Not only could she work at Forrester Creations, she could buy it!! And how will Li feel when she finds out her niece is the daughter of one of the richest and most successful media mogul’s in soap world!! No more throwing demands around and looking down on her!! Poppi might end up being able to set her parents up in a condo on an island soon!! Wouldn’t that be sweet payback!!
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping the big reveal is not just that Bill is Luna's father. That would be boring.
DeleteThat makes no sense based on the story of why Li is so furious with Poppy.
DeleteI agree Elle, but it’s looking that way, and boring is the norm these days!! The current writers have no imagination whatsoever!!
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DeleteThere is so much filler, storylines that have no connection to anything and make NO sense lol. This show is getting worse by the day.
DeleteI know Ridge wants to respect Eric's wishes, but people know now. I would have told Zende rather than let him keep trashing RJ. Ridge is not the one standing there feeling like crap. I think it's time to go to Eric and tell him that people know. It's not fair to the people who know, to hide their feelings and emotions. This is time that Eric's family should be spending quality time with him.
ReplyDeleteLook at Thomas all jelly of RJ. I suppose we'll be seeing him go back to his old tricks soon.
ReplyDeleteOh wait! That was Zende! My bad. 🤭🤭🤭
There’s still plenty of time for that storyline, Elle. Don’t lose hope!!! 😂😂😂😂
DeleteWhat do you mean Elle?? It was Zende showing the jealousy, we haven’t seen Thomas’s reaction, although I think he may also b upset about, or maybe not , because he knows about his grandad, Zende not knowing is unfair, when Ridges kids know!!
DeleteAnd my bad Elle, I didn’t absorb your last sentence, sorry love, I am exhausted baby sitting my furbaby and her new born kittens.. she wakes me at least 3 times a night to feed her 🤣🤣🤣 not much different to a human baby!! Speaking of, how is your gorgeous grandson doing?? I bet you are loving being able to spoil him!!
DeleteWell elle
DeleteIf you have watched the episode where the first time RJ came
And how thomas reacted and the conversation with his mother so yeah you expect that the story will go there
At least there was some indicators to that plus some spoilers all over social media
At least it wasn’t like some if the stories we have seen with no indicators or foundation
So maybe there was an idea and the writers switch it to zande
Because they have a better thing for thomas
PS we brought thomas because its a reply to you comment and only related to the comment 😊
Lynn, Thomas did not lose Hope (lol). He's too caught up in her loving him that RJ is the furthest thing from his mind! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteColly, I've been told that Thomas was going to be jealous of RJ and that would somehow, make him revert to his former bad behavior. I was just kidding around.
Mmysh, I actually saw nothing like what you explained when RJ first showed up. I saw some discomfort from Thomas but I figured it was because he was kind of uneasy facing RJ because of the CPS stunt he pulled on RJ's mother. Then they had that conversation where RJ told him that everyone said that Thomas has been working on himself and RJ commended him for it. They worked things out. After that, Thomas has not shown any sign of being jealous of RJ, not even when he found out that RJ was designing with Eric.
All of that not related to what i said elle
DeleteAnd sure you analyze things in the show different than others and me and the others too
And as i said there was indicators plus a lot of spoilers articles
I know what happened after no need to explain it but thanks anyway
I just replied why we thought maybe the story will go there
I think people are just chomping at the bits for Thomas to revert to his old ways so they see what they want to see then start making wild speculations and call it "spoilers."
DeleteElle, Lol. I wouldn’t get my hopes up that Hope actually loves Thomas. She continues to be taken in by his snake charmer moves, but I don’t think Hope is in love with the man, Thomas. It’s just the things he says to her that makes her all weak in the knees. And that will get old in no time. And once it gets old, Tommy boy is gonna have a very rude awakening. Perhaps so devastating, that evil Thomas comes to the forefront within days of Hope dumping him. There was no ‘finishing up Friday’s conversation’ between the two of them on today’s episode. So I’m thinking that admission from Hope will not turn into anything more than exactly what she said….she loves Thomas for how much he worships her. Nothing more.
Delete😂😂 well elle i can provide you some articles if you want
DeleteIm not hiding behind it that’s silly 😜
And yeah just like you want hope and thomas to have an epic love story because you see what you want to see
Other people do that also
They are fans as much as you
I remember you guys went on and on on brook will sleep with liam in the after math of the kiss with deacon
Then when ridge left her after the CPS call since you know they were tea buddies
And there was also a lot of spoilers articles about that
But none of us accused you there was no such thing and said its only a speculation and call it ”spoilers”
Its lame
But sure you can speculate as you see fit
The Bold And The Beautiful (B&B) Spoilers: Thomas Jealous Of RJ https://celebbabylaundry.com/2023/04/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-bb-spoilers-thomas-jealous-of-rj-newly-returned-brother-takes-dads-attention/amp/
DeleteHere is one for example
I swear i didn’t wrote that 😂
My job is more waaaaaay interesting 😊
Elle your comment at 2.45..😂😂😂
DeleteColly Instagram. I don't have time for social media, not on FB but Elle got me on Instagram to see pics. Her grandson is gorgeous but so is her daughter, and her son?? (if I was 20 yrs younger 🥰🥰) my point its great for posting pics and can be private. Would love to see your litter! 🤣🤣🤣 sorry I'm off the topic of the show ppl.
Lynn - "his snake charmer moves" 😂😂👏🏼 that visual will live rent free in my mind now. And so accurate.
DeleteMmysh, calm down. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I'm just saying that generally, a lot of wild speculations are made then people call them spoilers. And that site you posted is famous for doing such. Calling it spoilers is what drives traffic to her site. Unfortunately, she just comes up with these scenarios either on the fly, or based on fans' speculations then, creates a whole story around those speculations.
DeleteA spoiler is something that is actually going to happen on the show that "spoils" the show for someone who does not want to know beforehand what's coming .
Lynn, throughout the whole period of Hope being attracted to Thomas, fighting her feelings for him, and then going to Rome with him, you kept saying that Hope loves her husband and her attraction was really her being disgusted by Thomas. That went a totally different way, didn't it? Thomas and Hope share a history like no other on this show. It was bound to bring them together in this way. I mean, how can she not develop feelings for him while being in each other's orbits every single day?
DeleteAs for Thomas reverting, I have no doubt that something will happen along those lines at some point in the future. After all, no couple lasts forever, right? I don't see it happening anytime soon though. I think their romantic relationship will develop much further first before they are faced with whatever trouble lays ahead.
Btw that site is indeed very sneaky. They take the actual official spoilers like "RJ returns and faces Thomas" and make a whole story around it. I used to read it and wonder how come it's kinda accurate but then most of it still doesn't happen 😅
DeleteThe other one, sheknows, is similar. It looks less skeevy, polished, quoting what actors have actually said, official spoilers for next week, but the rest are mostly theories with titles worded like that's exactly what's gonna happen.
I know what spoilers means elle
DeleteAnd back then this wasn’t the only one
It was all over FB
and thomas once was jealous of steffy
So according to his character it’s kinda believable
I posted this one because it was the first one to come up
But there was a lot of it
And again how thomas took the news and the conversation he has with his mother just tell yeah it maybe go that direction
But it didn’t
And im totally calm btw 😜
Lol Mmysh. Aite. 😅
DeleteI remember the Steffy/Thomas thing. That was because he felt his dad favored Steffy over him when she became co-CEO. However, that was a decision made purely on the fact that she was instrumental in regaining all of the Forrester shares from Bill. She also had her business degree. Where RJ is concerned, as Zende said yesterday, he just influences people and finds his self-worth from "likes" (paraphrasing here). Thomas is a Lead Designer on one of the more popular lines right now. He has absolutely nothing to be jealous about where RJ is concerned.
That’s not the point elle
DeleteNo need to defend thomas here
Back then Thomas lashes out at Taylor for creating a monster out of Steffy by giving her all of Taylor's stock and accuses Steffy of being a tyrant and a hypocrite for also judging and criticizing Brooke of being sexual and seductive towards men when Steffy did the exact same thing to bill
And btw back then he was right
See i can give him credit when he deserves it
And steffy were so mean to him back then
You don’t need to take anything as an attack on thomas
I was just explaining why we thought that according to things happened before not to bash him
And btw Steffy had not graduated college when she came back from the UK,she had a convo with ridge about transfering to local college, and having credits transfered
She had not finished college at all,and we didn’t see her going to any college in L.A after that
But that’s doesn’t matter people learn through work itself
Elle, yes, it did go differently. Hope does seem to enjoy her hookups with Thomas. But even as recently as Friday’s episode…..Hope is still telling Liam she loves him. If Liam would have done the right thing, he would have forgiven her for Rome. He would have told Hope that in no way does he think about Steffy in any capacity other than being the mother of his children. But hypocrite Liam couldn’t do that. Instead he ran to Steffy and has been pursuing her ever since.
DeleteKeep in mind though, that’s NOT what Hope wanted. Hope wanted her marriage to work and for Liam to love only her. Because SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH LIAM!! That was Hope’s desire. And as we’ve talked about, Hope still hasn’t told Thomas she is in love with him. I don’t think that day will ever come. And it will always seem that Thomas was her second choice.
Lynn I also still believe that the pain caused by Liam (who she loves) is what makes Hope retaliate and run to Thomas. Not Thomas himself. Thomas himself made her cringe for years, decade. And she said that "I love him for it" not when they were alone and intimate, but for Liam's "benefit". She never said it on any of those numerous occasions when Thomas was pleading to her to give them a real chance. And by the by, where is the "I love *you*?" To look him in the face and tell him I love you? Because "I suppose I did" sounds so cringy, so pulled out of the fingers... It almost sounds like "fuck, okay, the ship has sailed, I can't take it back now, can I?" 😅
DeleteI still don't believe that's any of this is a healthy basis for a relationship, but hey, when was it ever healthy between those who grew up together as brother and sister.
The "I suppose I did" sounds like something President Clinton would say 😅🙈
Delete@Mmysh I was not defending Thomas. I was actually agreeing with your statement that Thomas was jealous of Steffy and stated why he was, so no need to castigate Steffy. Geez.
DeleteLynn, to say "that’s NOT what Hope wanted. Hope wanted her marriage to work and for Liam to love only her" is an oxymoron if you ask me. For the mere fact that we all saw that Hope also wanted Thomas. Yes, she was trying to make her marriage work because she loved her husband but she was quite happy to spend quality time in Rome with Thomas and walk around hand in hand with him. When her husband told him that he did not want Thomas going to Rome, Hope told him in no uncertain terms that she cannot go to Rome without Thomas. And when they were returning to LA, Hope told Thomas that what happened in Rome, stays in Rome. If Liam hadn't seen them together, who knows what Hope would have done. Maybe she might have continued her fling with Thomas while still being married to Liam. We don't know however, we ALL saw her behaviour. She wanted a lot of things back then.
DeleteAnd when Hope told Liam she loved him on Friday's episode, I did not see it as her telling him she was still in love with him. She wanted to let him down easy regarding Thomas. Whenever someone is going to give bad knews to someone else and knows they will be hurt, they always start with "you know I love you....." That's what I took Hope's admission of love to Liam to mean. And she did let him down and chose Thomas right in front of him. She turned to Thomas and told him that she loves him. I really do not get into the "who loves who more" and "who is second or first choice," the fact is that Hope chose Thomas. Whether he is first, second, third, last choice does not matter to me. It's like saying that when I ended my 16-year relationship with the father of my children, the person I got involved with after that was my second choice. That does not make a lot of sense, does it? Everyone moves on from someone they once loved to someone else they have grown to love.
Milla, before Thomas showed up, she was saying to Liam that he does not know her. That Thomas allows her to be who she really is and he allows who she really is to come first. She then said that Thomas loves her "for that." So what is the difference between Hope saying Thomas loves her for that and Hope saying she loves Thomas for that? In regards to Thomas, we know that she meant that he truly loves her. It stands to reason then, that she was admitting that she truly loves him too, especially since, when she said "I love him for that," she turned away from Liam and looked at Thomas, then went to him and held on to him. Seems like an admission of love to me. Especially since she had been saying all along that this was just sex, a fling.
DeleteElle that's way too twisted way for my simple brain to say I love someone. If you love them, you say "I love you". Not "he loves me for that and for that I love him for that" 🤣
DeleteReminds me of "they don't know that we know they know we know".
And PS so her direct (no ifs, ands, buts and for) declaration to her lifelong love is "letting him down easy", but that boating knot of a statement about Thomas (not even *to* him) with the "suppose" as cherry on top is true admission of love? That's pretty far-fetched.
DeleteIm not castigate Steffy im saying what thomas said
DeleteOr maybe you can castigate steffy and say bad things when the goal in defending thomas 😂
And because of that disgusting history its not not healthy and unrealistic relationship not the other way around
DeleteShe said l love you not i loved you isn’t she ??
DeleteAnd since you say she said that to let down liam
So why not even say those words about thomas were also to get back at liam ??
Elle, I think what you are forgetting is what Hope has told everyone on the show — that she knew she was sharing Liam’s heart for years. Although we (as viewers) wouldn't have known that was why Hope was feeling disillusioned with her marriage. All we saw was Hope one day start fantasizing about Thomas. But since Hope has confessed to her family and Thomas that that’s what she was feeling all those years, that explains her discontent with Liam. So she didn’t not love Liam. She actually loved Liam with all her heart!! She was simply tired of “sharing his heart”, so her eye started to wander toward Thomas who had always loved her and only her. So she “chose Thomas” only because Liam could never give her all his love. But had he been able to, she would CHOOSE LIAM time and time and time again. She even begged Liam to forgive her for her indiscretions in Rome. And had he forgiven her, she would have stayed with Liam….her true love. That wouldn’t have solved the Steffy issue, but it is what Hope was willing to do to save her marriage.
DeleteAs I said earlier, I don’t think she will ever truly fall in love with Thomas. And loving him for loving her and only her is NOT the same as Hope being in love with Thomas.
Milla, the “I suppose I did” absolutely sounded sooooo cringy!! You nailed it!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
DeleteI still have not said that Hope is in love with Thomas, only that she loves him, which is a step up from her saying before that it was just sex with Thomas. She could not bring herself to tell Thomas she loved him before. She even told him that she's not sure she could ever love another man again. So, to see her say those words to Thomas is a big deal and shows that she might possibly want more with him.
DeleteFor the record, I do not believe that she is in love with him as yet. But I do believe that she will get there.
"...only that she loves him"
DeleteAnd yet she's not saying "I love you"... That must be a new kind of love, a "don't say it but twist it to confuse the world" kind.
Lynn, nailed it about Liam.
Luna wait until you learn the real Steffy FakeOrester! The one who punches ppl in the face when they've no warning! Pretends she's some princess who's never done anyone or anything wrong. Sits high on her thrown 👑 judging everyone. Keeps Liam on her fishing line and smiling whenever he professes his love and desire to have her back. One minute she'll stand firm telling him she loves her husband but the next minute smiles at him and looks lovingly in his flipfloppidy eyes 👀
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DeleteZende wants Luna, that I've heard. But he'll lose that competition
DeleteI read something about that too
DeleteThe writers just adore love triangle 🥱🥱🥱
MeMeMeMeMeeeee, I AGREE! I Always said Finn DESERVES BETTER and should stop being a WEAK man for Stephanie that has no right to judge anyone after all the pain and suffering she caused!!
Delete😀😀👏🏼👏🏼 very accurate!
Delete😂 😂 😂
DeleteFlipfloppidy eyes. Pmsl
First and foremost, when you're bashing someone, please do a spell check before posting. It's THRONE, not THROWN. 😂😂😂
DeleteSecondly, that is not the real Steffy. She does not go around punching people in the face - that was specifically for Sheila, the woman who tried to kill her! Neither does she pretend to be a princess. She's actually quite forthright in letting people know what's on her mind (some call it arrogance 😂). She doesn't keep Liam on a line either. That's the other way around. Liam is the one, as Hope said, who keeps her on the backburner. Steffy is very happy in her marriage. She and Finn were estranged for a short while. If Steffy wanted to, she could have had Liam (he definitely tried to get her) but she didn't want him. How many times exactly have we seen Steffy run to Liam as a backup? 0 times!
Steffy is beyond arrogant. There are ways to be direct without this smug judgmental face, rude tone let alone the annoying swagger of 90s sitcom mean girl. She's also the most judgmental woman on the show (or neck in neck with her mama), judging everyone for things that she herself is sooo not above, even much worse.
DeleteIn the case of Liam, she's clearly enjoying the attention she has been waiting for sooo long. She may not leave her husband for it but she is being dishonest to him. That's why so many people bash her (2-3 eps ago it was a real shitstorm) and will cheer when she's knocked down a peg or two.
I don't have an issue with anyone bashing Steffy, M. Especially where her arrogant and judgemental nature are concerned because it is indeed warranted. She does have some really great qualities too, though. To me, she's a well-rounded character. However, my post was just to correct some incorrect representations in the original post (OP) such as Steffy going around punching people in the face. It was a one-off occurrence, which was well deserved given that Sheila did attempt to murder her.
DeleteAnd while many think that she is adoring the attention from Liam, I don't see it that way. They share a daughter and she just wants to keep things good between them for Kelly's sake. However, bashing her for that is also fine if you see it that way.
The OP also stated that she keeps Liam on a line (I'm guessing that should be string), and that is not true. Liam is guilty of doing that, not Steffy. For the very reason that if she wanted him, she could have had him when things were going south with her marriage. She could have gone down memory lane with him whenever Liam brought up their past and she could have said something that could be deemed as leading Liam on but, she did not do that. She told him clearly that his advances are not welcomed.
So go ahead, bash away. Just do it with things that are at the core of who Steffy is as a person, not just one off situations. 😂 😂 😂😂 😂 😂
You can count on me 😂
DeleteElle; you are very patient woman and that's very good 👍 I don't like responding because it's not worth of anything. Logan fans always wins. I don't like Steffy hiding things from Finn. If Finn does the same; Steffy moves to Eric's. Now I like Thomas more than Steffy these days 😀
DeleteLogan fans always wins haha 😀 hardly, but okay, we don't mind the cred.
DeleteIt feels like that Logan fans have so much power and strength 🤣
DeleteOr maybe Brooke fans it's better to say 🤔 because I'm not sure about being Hope fans no more. I love Katie most
DeletePatologi
DeleteAll of us here have power and strength
But for us logen fans we always argue of things we know about very well
And we still a fans of hope but that’s doesn’t mean we will agree with her and defend her when she is wrong
We call our favorites out all the time
And we bash them when they deserve it
And criticize them not finding excuses or deny the whole thing when its indefensible
And we defend them when something mentioned not true or made up
But sure we still a fans of hope’s
Calling her out is the right thing to do
I think if Elle, BBFAN, Colly and D just admitted that Thomas was primarily responsible for Emma’s death, and that what he did by not calling 911 was incredibly WRONG, there would be a lot less arguing on this blog.
DeleteIt would be nice to hear the die-hard Thomas fans admit it. Everyone could breathe easier. Lol.
Never, Lynn, never! Lol.
DeleteI have always said that the ONE character I will go down dying for on this show is Thomas. Plus, the wee bit of knowledge I have in criminology will never allow me to admit that Thomas did anything wrong where Emma's death is concerned. As I always say, the only thing he did wrong was not calling 911. I admit that he should have, rather than just stand there watching. But in terms of killing Emma, none of the elements that must come together to prove murder were present in the scene when Emma died. Could he have prevented her from dying even if he did call 911? Maybe. We would never know. But, was he responsible for her death? No, he wasn't.
He could prevent it by not being violent with her at the office then following her and make her speed and blinded her with his car flash lights
DeleteBut oh sorry she can’t get to hope
He has all the right to do that indeed
Mmysh, YES!!! It’s just so simple. But they will never admit it!! So they will continue to have us in their ear about Thomas!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteLynn indeed its that simple
DeleteWhen its some indefensible sure denying is the solution
Denying it is one thing
But its shameful blaming the victim
But its good lynn we are in this side 😂😂😂
Now I know what's all about 🤣 I like Thomas now, before I didn't. And he is guilty, he didn't call help but watched. But I think the ambulance would be too late, she surely died so fast. But must have called anyway.
DeleteMmysh, it’s been a long time since I’ve seen that scene with Thomas chasing Emma on the mountain road….so I don’t remember all the details. But I read on some other blog where they were talking about the same incident….a couple of the people commenting mentioned that Thomas flashed his high beams on Emma when he was chasing her. And since the road was very dark, she was blinded by his lights, which contributed to her going off the road. Someone else commented he actually bumped the back of her car with his car. But I don’t recall that happening. Just wanted to see if you remembered either of those things? Thomas is guilty! Even Patologi agrees he’s guilty. 👍🏻👍🏻
DeleteAnd Patologi is neutral in all this Logan vs Forrester stuff. Lol
"make her speed and blinded her with his car flash lights"
DeleteHow did Thomas 'make' Emma speed? She was on her way to see Hope. She did not even know that Thomas was behind her.
I drive at night and have quite frequently had drivers with their high beam HiD lights come up behind me. All I do is simply engage the little switch on my rear view mirror which tints the glass, thereby blocking out the bright lights behind me. Every vehicle has it.
If Emma had been paying attention to the road instead of fiddling with her phone, she would not have been surprised by the bright lights behind her after she had diverted her attention from the road to her phone, then back to the road again. It was her own negligence which caused her to run off the road. She should have parked on the side of the road to make the phone call to Hope. And no, Thomas didn't touch her vehicle with his.
Elle, I wonder if it was Brooke and not Thomas, would you still see all that as not doing "anything wrong where Emma's death is concerned"? Would you not bash the hell out of her for decades to come for not calling 911 but instead happily walking away? And also never having any guilt?
DeleteHonest to your heart of hearts. I don't know you that well but I have a feeling about you, Elle, and I don't believe that you would still feel this way. But I may be wrong.
Btw I think what colors people's perception of this incident was not so much what Thomas did and didn't do *to* Emma. But *why* he did or didn't do it. He was on a mission to stop her from telling a mother her baby was alive. He was willing to do whatever it takes that Hope remains broken and grieving her child for good. At least that's my interpretation. Emma was not a victim of Thomas' hand directly, but was definitely a victim of his desire to keep baby Beth away from Hope.
DeleteThat's an unfair question to ask, M. Especially since I've already stated in one of my above comments that Thomas is the ONLY character that I would support unequivocally.
DeleteIt is also unfair since we would all argue about our favorites differently than we would our non-favorites.
I'm also not a Brooke-hater, neither do I go around bashing her if it's not warranted.
I would also add that if it was Brooke instead of Thomas, would we be hearing on a daily basis about the psycho murderer Brooke? Would Emma be brought up so frequently if it was Brooke instead of Thomas?
DeleteHe didn’t touch her car
DeleteI didn’t see that lynn but yeah i lot of people say he did
But sure he blinded her
And elle she knew it was thomas
Because she said what you are doing are you crazy
And yeah deny it as much as you want but he made her speed
Abd she looked at her phone for like a minute or 2 maybe
But when she get off the road her both hands were on the stirring wheel
And yeah when he grab her violently at the office and threatened her and she ran Being that much scared of him will make her nervous
So yeah if she left the office without him being in all of that she would make it to hope safely
So it was him who caused her death
May god bless all your loved ones
But i wonder not if brook were in his place but if someone you know was in emma’s place
That young and innocent a whole life ahead of her and was determined to do the right thing
Would you be that consistent that its not thomas’s fault
Mmysh, this is the final thing that I'm gonna say on this thread and on this topic.
DeleteJust because you feel a certain way about "a young life" doesn't make you right.
The thing is that Its not what I feel
DeleteIt simply logic
Young life is something precious and should be protected
Its not depends on whom is taking it
Its not about how someone is feeling
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DeleteElle it is a very fair question. And you gave me the answer 😀 shows me that you condemn the deed itself but because it's Thomas, different rules apply.
DeleteI don't know if Brooke would be called psycho murderer. I can't speak for other people. I didn't call Thomas a murderer but I called him responsible for Emma's death. Which I would if it was Brooke too. Especially if she was violently working towards keeping a mother to think her baby was dead, while it was being raised by another, abusing people and her own kid in the process, damn sure I would.
P.S You know I love Bill in an almost unhealthy way 😂🙈 (the man is like 30 years older than me...) But he did try to kill Ridge, he did want to cover up Vinny's death (even though Vinny committed suicide) and was also violent in that pursuit. I am not denying any of it. He is still gorgeous and sexy and I want to watch him do things with Brooke. One does not exclude the other. Thomas can be culpable for something and still be your favorite.
DeleteNot telling you how to feel btw, just explaining my view 😀
Milla, I have said over and over that the only thing Thomas is guilty of is not calling 911. I have also said that he should have called 911 however, I stand by what I've also said over and over that he is not responsible for Emma's death. All of the things that happened between Thomas and Emma before she got into her car can indeed be considered a part of the chain of events that led to her death. However, the chain was broken when Emma decided to get into her vehicle and use her phone while driving at a high speed. Thomas was not responsible for her driving at high speeds, neither was he responsible for her using her phone while driving. When he came up behind her, he was not flashing his lights to blind her, nor did he bump into her vehicle to run her off the road.
DeleteAgain, I will admit he was wrong not to call 911 and just stand there looking at the wreckage. However, we will never know if Emma would have been alive even if he did call 911. Chances are, at the speed she was driving, she might have died immediately upon crashing her vehicle.
Milla, the difference with Thomas and Bill is that we don't see Bill's misdeeds being brought up every single day whether he is in a storyline or not, or whether he is onscreen or not. It's what I was trying to point out the other day. The incessant noise about "Emma, Emma, Emma" and "psycho murderer" is overbearing. And I really don't know what is the point of bringing it up all the time. Other people have done worse things than not call 911 but we don't hear about it every single day.
I get where you're coming from Elle.
DeleteI think it's the sum of factors that make Thomas this controversial target - the baby Beth factor, the Hope not knowing that Thomas was chasing Emma factor (we know that if she knew she wouldn't brush it off), the smiling at the scene factor (btw Bill paid for his deeds and lost Brooke, none of his are in the shade, all out there, I think that's why people are not pissed and always bringing up to make sure sth is known). But I understand why you're tired of this. I'll try to avoid mentioning it 😀
Elle, you need to re-read what I wrote above. Nowhere did I say Thomas flashed his lights on Emma and ‘made her speed’. Nothing about my comment above said anything about Thomas “making her speed.” So you are putting words in my mouth.
DeleteBut I will say now that if someone is chasing you, you will speed. I don’t see that you have any choice in the matter. Here are your options….you speed to try to get away, or you let the crazy man catch you and harm you, or you let the lunatic (Thomas) crash into you. Those are your options. 😂😂😂
She said get off my pumper you idiot
DeleteWasn’t texting
Both hands on the stick
And his car falsh lights are high
Then she looked at him saying OMG then lost control
Again the only question here is if he wasn’t chasing her she would be alive
That’s answer all the wondering
So yeah her death is on his hands
https://youtu.be/lRYZ0N-Z3_A?si=m3vuehOZFqmxlLk2
Abd i hope this is my last time
DeleteI said it like three times before
We don’t bring up thomas misdeeds DAILY OR WHEN HE IS NOT ON SCREEN
the comments on the episodes of 15-16 nov etc proves you wrong
Even in the episode when he was on when ridge told him about eric we didn’t talked about his crimes since the episode wasn’t related to his relationship with hope
And here it’s obvious how the comments went there
So please stop with this mentioning his crimes DAILY even when he is not related
I hope i hope this is the last time we hear this false claim
Oh Mmysh, thank you for posting that. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY THOMAS’ FAULT!!! That was so sad. And the way Pam spoke of the accident, she said by the time the paramedics got there, there was nothing they could do. And that leads us to believe that maybe she could have been saved if Thomas called 911 immediately. But of course he wouldn’t, because his stupid secret was more important than Emma’s life!! What a complete dirtbag!! That’s the Thomas I remember!! 😡😡😡😡
DeleteBtw this episode is good also because of Brooke and Bill listing some of the other niceties we have seen from Tommy over the years - setting houses on fire, blowing up cars, Caroline…
DeleteIndeed ladies
DeleteAlso the fact he left to hope feeling no sadness or remorse
And above of it he was only thinking about how he will turn this tragedy to his advantage by being with hope when she got the news so he will be the one to comfort her
And after that when hope asked him that you were arguing with emma
He lied without blinking an eye
Saying she was to do a dance
That’s a psychopath behavior for me
Yes milla bill wanted to check his car but he deleted everything already
DeleteMmysh really? So Bill suspected Thomas was after Emma? Gosh I love him so much ❤️ and Thomas deleted the history? Now that's a behavior of an innocent man...not.
DeleteWhere did I ever say Thomas killed Emma? Or was responsible for her texting and driving distracted? I don’t remember that, sorry nope, didn’t happen. You’ve called him a murderer so many times, still doesn’t make it true 😂
DeleteBBFAN, I don’t understand your comment above.
DeleteBut here’s what’s true……while Thomas did not “murder” Emma as far as the law is concerned, he WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER DEATH!
Another thing is true
DeleteBlaming the victim and cheering for the one who caused her death is shameful
Yes milla even her uncle but then they just cut this story and flo the one who keeps hearing what about her
DeleteFlo got out of prison so Thomas will not got investigated such irony huh 🤔
https://youtu.be/7aI8Y57AdgU?si=Ya0BXsPZuwH4k9if
ReplyDeleteToday’s episode bounce scene
Bill and sheila
Did bill gain weight???
The best spoilers is Soap Dirt narrated by Belinda. Find it on YouTube.
ReplyDeleteAnd how hope will fit now in this storyline to help luna find out that bill is her father
ReplyDeleteSince she found the two bill‘s lost kids 😂😂😂😂
Maybe they'll do the same storyline again 🤣 I'll hope Bill and Poppy would be a pair. Li's sister marrying a billionaire would be great 😀 I'll hope Bill is the father!
DeleteIt will be a good karma for Li 😂😂😂
DeleteThanks Bob 🙂🫂🫶🏼
ReplyDeleteThanks for this. I am catching up from vacation + covid + hospital and found the Nov 20 episode was wiped out in Chicagoland by a local event. Thanks for posting this video!
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