Wow Liam. Just wow! You go do this behind Hope's back without even discussing it with her first? Now that Douglas has spoken, I hope he leaves it alone.
And can I just say how good this little actor is? So good!
Why did Brooke go to see Steffy? Just to blame her for Ridge leaving her and, when that didn't work, bad-mouth Thomas about him still being crazy? I was so happy when Steffy asked her what she thought Ridge would think about Brooke bad-mouthing his son. Spot on, Stef!
Hope is putting a lot of faith in Thomas. I hope he opens up to her about how he's struggling. I'm not sure how things are going to develop with Thomas and Hope where the CPS call is concerned but I'm starting to think that there is a possibility that Hope and Liam's relationship is gonna take a lashing after what he did today.
@Elle Liam certainly had the nerve to come out and ask Douglas to come home, but Douglas really spilled the beans out how he wanted to be with his REAL father and NOT with him. I think Liam got a little hurt there. Brooke has nothing else better to do but to go bother someone like Steffy, because we all know Brooke never sees herself at fault. I loved that Steffy told her off about bad-mouthing Thomas. I am really concern about the app being played and someone at the Forresters or someone else hears that app with Brooke's voice, that will certainly destroy any future destiny for Thomas and Hope. Well, there are talks that Hope and Liam will not make it, and there is also talk that she might end up with Wyatt, but we shall see
👏👏👏👏👏 Liam was sooooo far out of line going to Douglas like that and I’m glad wee man put him in his place. How dare he try to manipulate that wee fella like that. Hope will be livid.
Brooke spoke down to Hope again, the look on her face… way to completely undermine her as usual. Does Brooke even hear herself, seriously???
Hope has told both her mother and husband that Douglas wants to be with his father and that she approves of him being there because it's good seeing Douglas bond with his dad. She was already upset when he went the first time and Douglas was not there and he got into it with Thomas. Now, he did it again. He went against Hope. That was not cool!
@BBfan101 No, Brooke doesn't hear herself when she is wrong, because she things she is right. That's why Steffy said to her that you never find the wrong in yourself, so she blames it on others.
I agree lady’s, Liam did use emotional blackmail with Douglas!! I don’t care what anyone says.. And his motive for going to visit Douglas, is to get him home, so Hope doesn’t go to Erics and spend time with Thomas!! Not because he misses him and really wants him back.. And anyone who can’t see that is blind.. Liam has been spending all this time bitching with his MIL, when he could have been going to visit Douglas!! The only two times he gone there , is with the intention to take Douglas “home”… Now Brooke has all this feee time on her hands, when she is not having her daily rituals with Liam, she is now going to skulk around Forrester creations, causing trouble, or listening in on people, or most of all stalking Ridge!!
Doesn’t Brooke and Liam have jobs to go to? Never see them working just whining to one another. That is so wrong of Liam going behind Hope’s back to talk to Douglas.
Yes Tina, the writers can’t seem to come up with anything new.. wether it’s lack of talent, or laziness or more likely a combination of both!! They have brought back old characters , Deacon, Sheila, and Taylor, so they can recycle old story lines.. They are destroying Thomas, the same old love triangle between Ridge, Taylor and Brooke, a reformed Deacon, turned back into a con harbouring sheila, sheila shooting people, faking her death, etc.. it’s as if they have become so desperate to raise ratings without having to put in any effort whatsoever, to come up with anything new, and are recycling all the old stories, that were popular in the past.. this show is going down the toilet fast!!
It's been boring for awhile now. Lol I thought the mannequin looked more like Sheila than Hope. I really don't want to see Thomas go down this road again. At least he's aware that he's starting to and trying to shake it off.
D, who ever it’s supposed to look like, I forgot how freaky and ugly it is 🤣🤣🤣 I am not saying Hope is ugly, I think she is beautiful, but that mannequin gives me the creeps🤣🤣🤣 no wonder Hope jumped ten feet in the air 🤣🤣
Thata mannequin did look creepy 😂 I don't understand why the hell it's still at Forrester. I just assumed they had gotten rid of it, like burned it or threw it in a wood chipper
I should have said it looks like Sheila's plastic disguise. The same expression. If a Halloween party happens and Sheila turns up in her disguise and Thomas or Hope get freaked out how it looks like the mannequin and rip it off her? Then Sheila's exposed. It would make some excitement to a boring show.
D that’s what I was thinking, the plastic face 🤣🤣🤣 but that’s too creative for the writers to even consider!! @ Hilary , it’s so creepy it probably walked itself back up there, it’s like a female version of Chucky!! 🤣🤣🤣
Milla, remember when Thomas was hallucinating when he had the brain issue, and it was talking to him and moving towards him, it was sooo creepy, and it really does remind me of of a female chucky the doll!! 🤣🤣🤣
I happen to think that Liam showing up at Eric's and talking with Douglas was quite cool. He was talking with a lot of respect to the kid and accepts his views. What is he supposed to do, nothing? He's not allowed to open his mouth without checking with Hope when he's been raising the boy alongside her? Please. Plus he listened to the quite difficult words of Douglas with a lot of dignity. Blowing this up into something wrong is weak. If Hope also blows it up, then sorry but she's officially not just naive, but blind bordering on stupid. I'm actually now looking forward to the egg on her face as much as on Steffy's 🥚🍳
Ah the mannequin though 😂😂🙈 Thomas, if you know that thing is there and you're not ahem... using it, how about, geeez, disposing of it? Fantasizing, remembering the fantasies... You keep racking up black points, "stud". All this will come back to haunt you when the truth comes out. If there's more (and I can't imagine not) you're only setting "the Logans" up for success. Beautiful dress though! 👌🏼 Go Brooke 💪🏼💪🏼
@ Milla - perfectly said!! There has been complaint after complaint from the FF’s when Liam does nothing but “whine” about the situation. So he goes over there to spend time with Douglas and talk to him about coming home. Liam had every right to talk to Douglas himself. I’m glad Liam finally did something!! Now we get to see where this lands because Douglas is back to talking about “his real family” with Thomas and Hope. I hope we aren’t gonna go down that same path over again with Douglas wanting his parents together. If they recycle that same storyline it will be very disappointing.
Totally Lynn. Disappointing also for the kid when it turns out his Dad is not totally sane and he magically ends up at Hope's again. But yes also for us because yawn.
What's weak is supporting Liam's disrespect for Douglas as Thomas and Hope's son and supporting his disrespect for Thomas and Hope as Douglas' parents. I'm not saying he should not talk to Douglas, I'm saying that, as the stepfather, he needed to have a discussion with his wife first before making that move.
Let's not pretend that Liam is doing this for the child's benefit. It's clear as day that he is uncomfortable with Hope spending so much time with Thomas and so he is trying to nip it in the bud by bringing Douglas back home. Both him and Brooke are concerned about Hope's relationship with Thomas. It has nothing to do with Douglas. It was totally wrong of Liam to do what he did without talking to Hope first.
And hating on Douglas for wanting his parents together? Really? Why shouldn't he want his parents together? First, there were complaints about Steffy and Thomas wanting their parents together because they are grown adults. Now, the complaint is about Douglas wanting his parents together. And boy oh boy, the WRITERS are being blamed for recycling the storyline. Funny, I heard no complaints about Hope wanting her parents back together.
Wow Elle, gaslight much??? LMAO! Who exactly is “hating on Douglas”??? Nothing that was said was even remotely close to that! Douglas doesn’t get to have his parents “together” because Hope is married to Liam. End of story. And the word “writers” was not used. So not sure why you put it in all caps to highlight it! Hope can want her parents back together now that Ridge is filing for divorce. Hope did not actively try to tear apart her mom’s and Ridge’s marriage to get her mom and dad back together! In fact, Hope supported and has been a cheerleader for Brooke and Ridge the whole time! It wasn’t until Ridge LEFT Brooke that Hope said anything about her parents reuniting! There’s a huge difference between wanting two single people together and trying to destroy marriages to get parents back together. The Forresters are all about destroying marriages to get that to happen!
Totally gaslighting…. I thought we were buddies blah blah that is so bloody manipulative!!! He was using emotional blackmail on that bairn ! Disgusting!
@Elle "supporting the disrespect"? 😅 he visited the kid and told him he misses him! He should be thrown in jail! And wanting his wife to be home and not half time with another man? How dare he! He should be chased with pitchforks 😂
Grabbing at Hope for spending exactly 2 minutes expressing a wish that "maybe someday her mom says yes" and comparing it with Steffy's obnoxious, mind-numbing months and months long vendetta I won't even comment. Plus Douglas is a kid, he can want his parents together but like Lynn said - tough noogies, she's married. Until Liam gets tired of her nativity and hits the road, for which I'm starting to think I'll support him for once.
Oh and one more thing Elle, the only one who is gonna end up looking awful in this recycled storyline is THOMAS!!! The FF’s complain when the WRITERS make Brooke look good! I’m not complaining about the WRITERS making Brooke look bad. I’m simply saying I don’t want to have to go through another painful mannequin month because no new material can be created for something original. Either way, Thomas is just as creepy as ever and that’s a win for me!!!!
And of course like Lynn pointed out - expressing the wish her single parents get together, even if she was campaigning as hard as Steffy (not that it's possible for a normal person) doesn't even remotely raise to the level of anything to "complain". I can't believe we even have this comparison 😂
Milla, for sure! Some conversations…I think OK, just two different takes on it. But this is so far out there in the comparison it’s not even worth justifying Hope’s vs Steffy’s approach and the circumstances surrounding each. Just wow!! Lol.
@Lynn and Milla 🙌🙌 You girls are totally right! Also, let us not forget that Thomas has been OBSESSED with Hope for years. I'm so sure that these moms on this blog would be ok with their daughter spending so much time with a nut job guy who has done all the shit that Thomas has done. Please 😂😂. I would absolutely do the same as Brooke if I saw my daughter naively falling into this trap again
Thank you @Milla and @Lynn for being the voice of reason here. I totally agree with you both. @Elle, To take Douglas out of his home/real family with Beth Liam and Hope (who raised him) is actually an act of abuse from Thomas side. Since it was without any concent from Hope. She was devistated and chrushed. Do you remember that? So in order for her to spend time with Douglas she HAS to accept this arrangemant and come to Erics WITH Beth all the time . Meaning cutting LIAM out of the Family picture. Of course not intentionally BUT due to her missing Douglas so much. But she is unfortunately so naiv that she cant se what Thomas is doing to her and her family.
She should just have told Thomas: "You can spend a weekend with Douglas. That s fine, then you ll return him home."
But Hope is to weak- wants to see the best in everyone so she misses what Thomas did to her as a mother and as a wife.
Only a psychopath would do what Thomas did. He owe them for the rest of his life for being the family to Douglas when he was insane or still is for that matter.
He is in no position to walk right in and trick Doulgas away from them, his family, Hope-Liam-Beth. Did he deliberately try to crusch their family or did he not care?
BOTH are signs of a psycopath or how a NPD operates. Douglas is not capabale of understanding what a stabil family are like. He just wants to have fun. And it s not up to Douglas to decide where he wants to live. It s easy to manipulate a child and Thomas have done that before and NOW all over again.
Hope and Thomas share custody! Hope has had wee man two of the 10 or so years of his life!!! She has not raised him. Thomas is his father. Hope actually had consented to him living with his father for the time being. Despite what Brooke and Liam claim, he ISN’T Douglas’s father! The bairn even said it himself!
Children actually do have a say in where they live, age depends on jurisdiction, but a judge will take that into consideration. Hope knows a judge wouldn’t back a shared custody arrangement where his l father has been completely denied overnights etc for years without an order. That never happened so Hope is being cautious. She would get a smack down for failing to nurture that relationship in the past. She sees how good it is for Douglas to be with his father and extended family. It’s not like they are living alone in a remote location.
When did Thomas ever ask for Douglas to stay over? He didn't. Hope let Thomas spend time with Douglas any time he wanted. I never saw Thomas asking Douglas to stay over or being denied time with his son. He didn't want Douglas to live with him until Douglas made him feel guilty by asking him if he thought about him all the time. Then all of a sudden Thomas wanted him. It's not like Douglas was being hidden away and having zero contact with Thomas
@ BBFAN - share custody?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 So when has Douglas been back to the cabin with Liam, Hope and Beth since Thomas took him back to great grandad’s house??? Cuz that would be “shared custody”. Thomas assumes possession is 9/10’s of the law even when it comes to human beings!! Because Douglas has not spent any time at the cabin! And of course Thomas knows exactly what he’s doing. You want to talk about Liam being underhanded by going to Eric’s to try to get Douglas to come home, then let’s talk about the fact that Thomas is USING Douglas once again to get Hope to come to the Forrester mansion so she’ll spend time with Thomas…the master manipulator. Let’s be clear, the only underhanded snake in the grass is Thomas! And he absolutely brought that mannequin upstairs at FC. That’s why it had a dress on and was behind the changing screen. Hope believing that someone else brought it up was simply ridiculous!! I DO NOT like how naive Hope is, and I’m not blaming the writers!! Hope needs to wake the hell up!! How many times is she gonna give that lunatic the benefit of the doubt before it finally sinks in her head that Thomas is now and always will be BAD NEWS??!!!
Hillary, correct!!! Thomas had NOT been denied overnight visits. He simply never cared about having them in the past. We never saw Thomas having to fight for time with Douglas. Oh I take that back, once when Hope said he had to do his homework. What a horrible mother she is for wanting her son to get his homework done!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And the thing is…Thomas is a very bad father anyway, because once this thing comes out about his call to CPS - he will most likely get his son taken away. So Thomas has risked his future with Douglas all because he’s a manipulative snake. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to kidnap Hope again! If we’re gonna do the repeat storyline, then we may as well see it all!!!
@ JESUSKRISTUS - exactly!! Like you said, Douglas is having FUN right now. He likes it there because it’s “fun.” Stability and fun are not the same thing. Great grandad’s house has a screening room, pool, tennis courts and who knows what else. What kid wouldn’t love that?? The Forresters think $$$$ is the answer. But it isn’t. And like you pointed out, Douglas is too young to make those kinds of decisions. I think Hope should take Thomas to court so this can be worked out legally. The current situation is not sustainable.
Correct Bbfan, and “Thomas” and the Forresters ARE Douglas’s “real family”.. And considering the way Brooke and Hope got custody of him, which was an “illegal” act, by the way, would not look good for Hope in court.. No matter which way you want to look at it.. It was still manipulation and trickery, and “fraud” which is illegal.. and you are correct again Bbfan, Douglas has been raised by his “real” father for the majority of his life.. simple facts..
I don't like all this "real family" talk. You don't have to be blood relatives to be a REAL family. That is derogatory to every person who has ever been adopted or raised by people who weren't biologically related to them. A family is the people who show you love, respect, and make you feel like you belong. Biology doesn't mean diddly if those related to you treat you like an afterthought.
If there was anything “illegal” about the way Hope got custody, Thomas could have easily taken her to court anytime in the past 2 years. He was perfectly happy letting Hope and Liam raise Douglas for 2 years. He had no problem with that at all. And Thomas STILL refers to Hope as Douglas’s mother. Pretty odd that he would say that if he felt he had been duped into something illegal. Thomas has never mentioned being “tricked” into letting Hope adopt Douglas. The only ones that seem to have issue with it are the FF’s on this blog. And Hope has proven to be an EXCELLENT mother. So all this “real family” stuff is bull!
Actually Hilary, you are absolutely right.. my response was more so in regards to the comment from @jesuskristus, who said that to take Douglas out of his real family, Hope Liam and Beth, was abuse by Thomas.. But I have taken troubled kids under my wing, and as far as I am concerned, I don’t see my relationship with them any differently than other, that they are just like my own.. They call me mum, and I treat them and love them the same as if they were own flesh and blood.. So I totally agree with you Hilary..
@Colly and Hilary that's very true, they are a family even though not traditional nuclear one living together. And that's exactly why I don't like Liam just being pushed out like the last years in Douglas life don't mean anything. In such a small child's life that's a HUGE difference, every month is. None of the Forresters took care of the boy the way Hope and Liam did - taking him in and raising him alongside Beth. Steffy wanted to rather adopt a second baby than step in. Liam did not act like a father and he is not pretending to deserve that title but he was there for Douglas day in and day out when Thomas couldn't. And shared custody like Lynn pointed out - means the boy living with both parents and both families. What is currently happening is the mom driving up and down day after day to visit. That's visiting, not custody. Liam is right to question that.
And yes of course Liam wants Hope not to drive up and down there, I'd not want that too even for environmental purposes. Wtf?! She is his wife and how dare he not want her AND his own daughter living half time with another man! 🤦🏻♀️ that doesn't change the fact that Liam misses the boy too.
Nobody but Liam has pushed himself out. He chose to sit at home with his MIL and complain when he could have been visiting Douglas all along. Maybe if he had done that instead of staying away, Douglas wouldn't feel the way he is feeling right now. He is probably confused wondering why Liam never came to see him before now.
There was always a shared custody arrangement however, Douglas was not living with both parents and both families. Thomas was the one driving up and down day after day to visit. Now it's a problem because the roles are reversed? The parents seem to be quite fine with it. I don't see Hope complaining just like before, Thomas didn't complain.
If Liam doesn't want his wife driving up and down, then he needs to raise his concerns with her, not try to coerce the child into coming back to the cabin. Now that that has failed, I wonder what is he going to do next? Maybe complain to Brooke some more.
The reason Douglas even got sent to Hope's is entirely on Thomas and that he was uncapable to raise him alone (and "the Forresters" who didn't step in to help him, they are more to blame even). Why he stayed away afterwards and didn't do the real shared custody - with the boy living part time with him and part time with Hope and Liam - is also his business. Just because it was done that way, because of him and whatever reason he had not to have the kid, doesn't make it right now for the burden to be put on Hope and Liam and the roles reversed, when they are capable to raise him and have proved that. Yes Liam should be discussing it with his wife, nobody ever claimed otherwise. And she should take off the glasses of stupid and see reality - this is going down a dangerous path.
And yes Hope is not complaining now because she thinks it's a sustainable way to live until Liam says enough is enough, I won't have my wife and daughter living part time with an unstable man. Then Hope will be looking at a different kind of custody agreement.
@Lynn also true about the "illegal" part. Neither Thomas nor the Forresters did anything about it, they were more than happy to let the Logan raise the little Forrester. If anyone brings that up in court, they'll be laughed at.
@ Milla, yes to all you pointed out! Thomas never wanted Douglas for extended periods before. So now he thinks he just gets to take possession of Douglas and flip the script because all of a sudden ‘he’s ready’??!! That’s total bull!! And your point about Liam not wanting his wife and daughter spending nights with another man who is also very unstable is also an excellent point! I am sure Liam does not feel welcome at all when Thomas is there. A perfect example of that is when they had one of their many ‘Forrester family dinners’ and Hope was invited as Douglas’s mom, but Liam was not. I hope Liam gets a little more direct with Hope about him not liking the situation. And honestly, I hope Thomas gets his custody privileges revoked once everything comes out about him. He is way too unstable to ever be a good dad. What kind of example is he setting for his son with all his psychotic behavior??
@Milla Why are you even trying to assign blame? You gave an explanation of what shared custody is and said that the current situation with Thomas and Hope doesn't subscribe to your explanation. I simply responded that the arrangement was always that way except it's in the reverse now. Trying to assign blame to Thomas for being incapable of raising Douglas or blaming his family for not stepping up is irrelevant.
And are you seriously stating that Liam and Hope should continue raising Douglas because they've done so for the past 2 years and it's now a burden to Hope? Are you conveniently forgetting that Douglas is the one who asked to spend more time with his father and Douglas is the one that says he wants to be with his real dad? Are you also forgetting that Hope has taken this burden on herself and seems to be quite happy to do so? And it's not because she thinks it's sustainable to do so but because she enjoys being around Thomas and seeing him and Douglas bond (her words). She also looks forward to going over to Eric's to spend time with Thomas and Douglas (again, her words).
And btw, Hope is not driving up and down. She has been staying over at Eric's for extended periods. Why? Because she wants to. Thomas, nor his family are to blame here. This is all on Hope. And Liam's blatant disrespect for his wife's decision about her son is all on him. Nobody else.
They all live in the same very posh area . Oh no I have to drive from my luxury estate the one nearby, boo hoo! Sure Liam and Hope could purchase their own home with oh sun light and space and no dead animal skulls hanging on the walls. They are both trust fund brats with obscenely well paid jobs due to nepotism so surely they could purchase some place closer to Eric’s??? Before LFs say why does Thomas not buy a place… his fell through. He moved into Eric’s with the express purpose of having his son be surrounded by extended family and spend time where all of them did at various times.
I’m laughing about the $$$ comment… Brooke lives in a massive mansion in a huge private estate and Hope and Liam squat in her cabin on the property. Douglas was playing on the tennis courts with Beth, there are servants and pool oh boo hoo! Her massive trust fund and being raised all her life in luxury are such hardships for sure !!
Besides would Brooke want Thomas alone with Douglas? At Eric’s there is always someone else there… staff or family members and the Logans swan in at all hours as if they own it so they have constant access.
Hope and Beth staying there in a guest room is like them all staying in the same hotel, lol. There are a million rooms there so it’s not like Hope and Thomas share a suite 😂🙄🙄🙄.
Milla, none of the Forresters knew what Brooke and Hope did.. Brooke made sure of that.. The Forresters just thought that Hope and Thomas were building a relationship with Hope, because she was not with Liam at the time, she was grieving losing Beth, and part of that manipulation was Hope making out that he had a shot with her, so he would sign Douglas over.. And the Forresters still don’t know about what they did.. Taylor questioned Brooke about how Hope got Thomas to sign over custody not that long ago.. They still don’t know about the deceit of how it happened.. And when Thomas spoke to Carter not long ago about custody, he questioned Thomas about the shared custody agreement, and Thomas said, we’ll sort of, but left it at that.. it was obvious he didn’t want to tell Carter, because he is still protecting Hope.. So to say none of the Forresters did anything about it, is unfair.. I am more than sure if they found out what Brooke and Hope did, they would have done something about it.. Especially Taylor, wether she was away or not.. She hinted to Brooke that she is confused as to why Thomas agreed to it in the first place.. Thomas is saying nothing to anyone because he is protecting Hope.. He loves her and appreciates that she has been a mother figure to Douglas, when he was having issues.. But I keep hearing, oh the Forresters knew but did nothing , well they didn’t know, and still dont..
And Milla, Elle is correct, about Liam feeling like he is pushed out.. That is on Liam, not Thomas and Douglas.. as Elle said, Liam chooses to sit with his MIL all day whining and bitching, rather than visit Douglas.. All that time spent with Brooke could have been visits to Douglas.. He has only gone twice, and both times, to bring Douglas back to the cabin.. Thomas has NOT said Liam is not welcome to come see Douglas whenever he wants.. That is solely on Liam.. Perhaps if Liam stopped constantly attacking Thomas, to Hope, and said, hey, I miss Douglas too and want to come with you to spend time with him, Hope would be more receptacle to hearing Liam, instead of shutting him out.. His repetitive dialogue to her is just making her feel like he she is a child, not an adult who can coparent a child.. He doesn’t trust her, and she is sensing that.. That is on him.. He wonders why Douglas feels the way he does, he has seen him ONCE, since he has been with Thomas.. The first time Douglas wasn’t there, and Liam even said, he wasn’t there to visit Douglas, he was there to pick him up and take him home.. He didn’t even hang around or come back to see Douglas the first time.. Because he went there to tell Thomas off and his conspiracy theory as to why Thomas wants HIS son.. and to take him home..
Hope is Douglas’s legal mother. Thomas has never once contested it. And he was MORE THAN HAPPY to let Hope and Liam raise his son in their home for 2 + years! End of story. No laws were broken. No court case was started. Hope and Liam absolutely have rights in all this. And it would be very interesting to see what a judge would say. However, it probably won’t ever need to come to that because Thomas is already digging his own grave and will most likely lose his son anyway.
Elle, I am pretty sure that “if THEY recycle that storyline”, is just another way of saying the WRITERS.. because I can’t imagine “they” have a seperate department deciding what stories are to be “recycled”?? I think some, think we are just too silly to work out the major contradiction there because the “word” WRITERS wasn’t used!! Omg!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Talk about manipulation at its finest!! LMFO!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 pfffft, I just fell off my chair, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 hold on, gotta pick myself up!! Bahwahahaha!
Colly, can you ever just stay out of it? Or do you find it necessary to stick your nose into every single comment. I’m starting to get the same feeling I get when I see Deacon and Sheila kiss when I see you your comments. That yucky 🤮 feeling. Just go stalk someone else. Besides you’re way too easily proven wrong. I already addressed this very subject about 10 times. But it seems you have comprehension issues.
Lynn are now controlling what posts we can comment on? Really?? I wasn’t aware Bob died and made you a moderator or owner of the board?? Did I miss that??
I’m still laughing over the homework comment given that the school term hadn’t begun and it was a chapter of a book from summer reading list. He didn’t have any urgency to read it that second.. in fact he’d been a free babysitter for his wee sister for the time leading up to Thomas playing with him. It was just Hope asserting her precedence to deny Thomas the extra few minutes with Douglas, and so the bairn would know who controls his time with his father.
Shared custody wasn’t being practiced when Hope and Liam announced they were taking Douglas ALL the time and would decide if and when Thomas would be allowed to see his son. There was NO court order or agreement by Thomas to those terms. Hope went along with Douglas having extended time with his family of origin after being denied time with them during all the holidays etc. it is usual practice that parents alternate years / holidays so bairns have them with both sides of their family. Brooke stated that as Hope’s adopted son he was now a Logan and should only be with that family!
Brooke disrespected and actually denied Ridge’s rights and place in his own Grandson’s life!!!
But yes it was all perfectly kosher leading up the last month 😂🙄😂😂🙄🙄🙄
Crazy Thomas is BACK!!! Just like Michael Myers in the movie “Halloween”…crazy Thomas is making his appearance all over again! Brooke and Liam are RIGHT! Let’s not leave out that important detail!!
I thought we had gotten past Hope being so naive, but nope. Here we go again!
And who cares what Ridge thinks about Brooke’s opinion of Thomas! Brooke was right about Thomas last time and she’s right this time! The only person who needs to look at their behavior is Ridge himself for always trusting his NUTJOB son!!
@Lynn Hope is officially embarrassing. Such a shame. I do understand she wants to believe this little bubble of her part-time living at Eric's and part time with Liam is great and healthy because Thomas is, but come on! She chooses to be that blind because the alternative is to start a battle with Thomas but she will suffer, there's no doubt it my mind. And in the end all her mature, independent attitude will go down to waste when she's proven wrong and Brooke/Liam right.
Oh and yes, Ridge is officially canceled 😂 it so doesn't matter what he thinks about anyone. Plus like you said he'll be in for a rude awakening where Thomas is concerned.
Yeah Lynn 👍 I can't believe how stupid Hope is. God!!!! I'd just like to bitch slap her! And what you said about not caring what Ridge thinks is SPOT ON!! No one, especially Brooke, should give 2 shits what that ass thinks about anything, or Steffy either. I can't wait till everyone finds out that guess what, Thomas is still cray cray!
What a new storyline you come up writers, Brooke the victim, the sensitive, Brooke gonna be right again about Thomas, Hope the forever child married but needs protection from Thomas, Thomas the psycho, there's is Liam.... what's the purpose of Liam in the show?🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I think what Lame is doing is gross, he nor Brooke can point any fingers at Thomas' past where he used Douglas. They're doing the exact same thing now! He doesn't care about having Douglas "back" or his relationship with his dad, just about Hope coming back to the hut. And he's too much of a loser to go talk to her about it, so he needs to gaslight Douglas. Also very funny Brooke mentions having a past of manipulation and obsession... takes one to know one I guess 😴
If this ends up with Thomas stepping back into his obsession I'm done, what a waste of 2 years of healing and it'll make Hope look stupid as well. Such a repetitive storyline. I knew her trying the dress was gonna trigger something.
Spot on lama!! It’s nothing to do with them caring about Douglas, and everything to do with getting Doulas back, so that they have more control over Hope!! Liam manipulating, when Douglas said he loves being with his real dad, it should have ended there, but Liam used manipulation, bringing up everything he did with Douglas, in an attempt to gaslight him.. not cool.. He has only gone to Erics twice to “visit” Douglas, and both times, to take him back to the cabin..
I disagree. I don't see anything wrong with Liam going to see Douglas and telling him that they miss him. Also, Liam knows that Thomas is still nuts and is manipulating Hope, AGAIN. Thomas is back to his old crazy as a shithouse rat self!
The thing is Hilary, is Liam has only gone to see Douglas twice, and both those times, he has pretty much demanded that Douglas go back to the cabin.. if he were going on a regular basis, to see him and spend time with him, but he has not been doing that.. Hope was already unhappy he went to get Douglas the last time without her knowledge, and demanded him to go back to them, and he has just done it again.. he told Douglas it’s time to go home now.. Douglas had to ask Eric, if he had to because he doesn’t want to.. when Eric said no you don’t have to, that threw Liam’s demand out the window!! So he then started with the other stuff, and trying to make Douglas feel bad.. And as I just said, he hasn’t been going there regularly to visit him, and no one said he couldn’t, and the only two times was to take Douglas.. All the time Liam has been spending with Brooke moping and bitching, could have been spent visiting Douglas, or even spending time with his first born, who he never mentions or sees anymore, so that just compounds my point, that this is not about wanting to spend time with him, it’s about demanding he come back, so he has more control over Hope spending time with Thomas.. And hypothetically speaking, even if Thomas didn’t call cps, and had proven he really has changed, it would not change Liam or Brookes mind.. They would still be carrying on this way..
@Hilary I agree with you. Nothing is wrong with Liam going to see Douglas to tell him that he misses him. However, that was not Liam's intent. Liam went there, behind Hope's back, with the intention of bringing Douglas home. And when Douglas said he didn't want to go, Liam started to manipulate him by saying how much they miss him and if he remembers when they used to play together etc. That was wrong on Liam's part, especially since Hope expressly stated that she was fine with Douglas staying at Eric's with Thomas and them bonding as father and son.
And how does Liam knows that Thomas is still nuts exactly? Other than the one time that Liam went over to talk to Thomas, he is not around Thomas at all to know anything. Liam is going purely based on Thomas' past. Too bad he skipped over the more recent past where Thomas got him out of prison and reunited with his family.
Elle, Liam trusted Thomas enough, to give him his blessing to be with Hope and the kids while he was facing 30 odd years in prison.. You don’t give someone that sort of blessing and trust, if you “don’t” trust them.. Instead of taking that opportunity, he instead got Liam back home to Hope.. And now it’s a different story, simply because Thomas stepped up to be a present father in HIS sons life?? As u sais Elle, up to this point, Liam has no reason to say Thomas hasn’t changed..
I think all parents manipulate their children to get them to do what we want, especially when they're young like Douglas. We all do it folks in one way or another, be it getting your kids to eat healthy or go to bed. It's a part of parenting. I never once heard Liam "demand" that Douglas come home either, as Colly said. We all know why Liam wants Douglas home, because he doesn't want hope spending time with Thomas. I would do the same thing that Liam is doing if I were in his shoes. Hope won't listen to him, so he's gotta try another way. He's not being a jerk about it, he's appealing to Douglas on a level he thinks will work.
Also, I don't believe Liam was thinking straight when he thought he was going to prison for years. He was all over the place mentally. Yes, Thomas did the right thing by telling the truth about Vinnie and springing Liam out of prison. But, Liam and Brooke are RIGHT, Thomas IS obsessing over Hope again, we see it with our own eyes, so Liam is totally justified in being concerned
Hilary, Liam said, I think it’s time for you to come now.. it wasn’t a direct demand, but if Douglas was didn’t say he doesn’t want to because he might have been uncertain to say what he felt, Liam would have taken him home.. manipulating your kids to eat their veggies , is not the same as saying things like, but we did this and that and I thought we were best buds, and I thought you missed all those things we did together too.. He was guilt tripping Douglas, and that’s wrong.. you could clearly see on his face that Douglas felt bad.. there’s a big difference between getting kids to eat their veggies, to using emotional blackmail to appeal to a kid that young..
And to say that Liam has tried with Hope and she is not listening, so he has to try another way , by appealing to a young child, in a way he thinks will work , to get him home so he has more control over Hope spending time with Thomas, is still wrong.. And it just proves that, that is his motive .. not that he cares about Douglas’s well being , and relationship with his real father, but that he tried to control the situation by manipulating Douglas on a level that is not fair to Douglas, just to get him back, so Hope spends less time with Thomas..??
@Hilary I think the big difference here with Thomas is that he is aware that he should not be thinking of Hope in that way because she is married. I have yet to hear any of you gals admit to that. Your focus is purely on Thomas obsessing and about Brooke and Liam being proven right. However, we are seeing that Thomas is fully aware of what he is doing and is trying not to go down that dark path again.
@lama, I thought that was the best line of the day, Brooke talking about Thomas being manipulative and obsessive 🤣🤣🤣🤣 from the mouth of the master lmao
@Elle, I'm interested to see if Thomas trying to talk himself out of his longing for hope is going to really make any difference in the long run. If our writers stay true to form (which is repeating story over and over...), he'll be crossing that line soon enough. I hope I'm wrong for the simple fact it would be a DIFFERENT story for a change 😂Thomas has been a little bolder lately saying openly flirty things to Hope though, so we'll see.
I seem to recall the “self-talk” when the “Mannequin 1” miniseries took place. He was telling himself to snap out of it, cuz he knew the mannequin wasn’t real. Self-talk for Thomas is not uncommon at all. He can’t help but to get pulled back in because he is still totally obsessed with Hope - plain and simple. I seem to recall lots of y’all saying….Thomas is sooooooo over Hope! He’s not gonna start obsessing over her again. And yet, here we are. Right back at ground zero. Thomas does NOT change!! And that’s not even touching on his diabolical act of making the CPS call.
@Elle he may be trying but what good does it do when it's not working? Thomas needs therapy, a real one. And I'm not saying this as a bad thing (I believe in therapy). He can't pull himself out of this alone and will keep sinking.
@Hilary very very good point on the "'manipulation" argument. If Liam was trying to manipulate he wouldn't have encouraged Douglas to speak up and "tell him anything" and then shut up when Douglas did. He could have easily gone the path of how he was there for Douglas like a father and his dad wasn't and all kinds of really low manouvres. He didn't do any of that. It is true that he should have visited more often and I have no idea why he didn't, that time would have been spent better with Douglas than moping with Brooke. But I'm glad he did now. Let's see what follows, I read next is Thomas joining them in the house so there will be some face-off.
I seem to recall that when the mannequin incident happened, it was because Thomas had a tumor or something. He was literally hallucinating thinking that the mannequin was really Hope and this was as a direct cause of the tumor. This time it's different. Thomas is very clear-headed now and is thinking logically. So unless, they intend to go down that road of the tumor returning, then there's no reason to believe that it is what is happening now.
Liam is only wanting Douglas to come home because he is insecure about Hope. If Liam would take a look at himself, shouldn’t he go visit his own daughter Kelly for a change instead of whining about Douglas. In my opinion, Liam is not that great of a father figure because you never see him with Kelly, only Beth.
Exactly Elle, the he was hallucinating and that the mannequin was talking to him and even moving, which is why he kissed the mannequin.. The brain issue was causing all of that.. Then he ended up collapsing and had to have emergency brain surgery.. and it was lucky Hope was there because she was worried about him after Finn pointed something out, can’t remember exactly..
Yeah but what is the excuse going to be this time? Will he have another brain injury? Or is Thomas Forester just a sociopath? Stay tuned for the answer to this and more😂
Then why does he even have the mannequin now if he isn’t going down that path again?? His brain is functioning fine now (or as good as it can for someone like Thomas.) It’s clear he knew the mannequin was there. And it had a dress on. Thomas did that! So why bring it up from the basement ? He knew how crazy he was for having done it the first time. He realized after his brain surgery what he had done. So why repeat the crazy behavior??
The mannequin only resurfaced in this show. And from what Thomas said, he did not ask for it to be brought up, he just saw it there. I can't recall there being a dress on it, it looked more like a piece of fabric was thrown over it. Until, it is shown that Thomas is indeed responsible for it being there, it is unfair to say that he is still displaying crazy behaviour.
Rosann, totally agree! Liam should think about his own daughter that he’s neglected since they got Beth back! The only time he remembered her was when Finn “died”. Suddenly Finn wasn’t there to be her daddy and he had to step up for five minutes. Brooke chucked a huge tantrum saying Beth needed him more. But since Kelly is Steffy’s daughter apparently she doesn’t count or deserve to have Liam step up for her. SMDH. 🙄🙄🙄
Back on the Liam subject, I don't believe Hope is his only motivation for wanting Douglas home. I think he really is concerned about Thomas's parenting skills too. He can have more than one reason. He always seemed to love Douglas and by all accounts he seemed like an pretty awesome stepdad. And since we haven't heard Steffy or any other Forester bitching about Liam abandoning Kelly, I think we're to assume that he sees her regularly. Remember, LOTS of soap life is lived off camera. Don't you think that if Liam hadn't seen Kelly in months, that Steffy would be raising hell? Kly hasn't been part of a storyline for months, so there's no mention of her. You all know this is typical for soap children. They only get trotted out during holidays or special occasions.
Uh no, I think we can safely assume Thomas is obsessing again. And Elle, it was absolutely a dress that the mannequin was wearing. If Thomas didn’t bring it up, then why is it wearing a dress and hiding behind a screen?? Thomas clearly knew it was there and tried to warn Hope before she saw it. Given the drama the mannequin caused, I’m sure that if someone else truly brought it up, Thomas would have insisted it be taken right away and destroyed! If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. Thomas is the duck.
Elle, it could very well have been brought up by someone, because it was made to be used in the last showing for Hopes line.. Maybe someone thought it was going to be used again and they found it and brought it up.. But like you said Elle, it’s not fair to assume it was Thomas until they actually show it was..
Bbfan, when Finn died, Liam made the admission to Steffy, that he needs to step up for Kelly, now that Finn is gone.. And he said he would also step up for Hayes, considering Finn was such a strong father figure in Kelly’s life.. So if Liam is admitting he needs to step up, then that tells me that he is feeling guilty for not being as present in Kellies life as he should have been.. We have also heard Kelly call Finn dad a few times, and no one corrected her for doing so.. Hope also, offered for the first time onscreen, for Kelly to come to the cabin , if Liam wants to spend time with her , while Steffy grieves, which Liam told Hope that Steffy would want the kids close to her at this time, so that is not feasible.. We have never seen Kelly and Beth together at either house.. I know a lot is supposed to happen off screen, but we never hear Hope say bring Kelly over, except that one time.. It’s always said especially by Brooks, even when Steffy lost Finn, that Beth needs him more!! So what is that telling the audience??
Correct Colly! 👏🏻👏🏻 I also remember a scene with Finn and Hope at the cabin where they mentioned that Liam and Steffy had taken Kelly out to the park or somewhere. It was stated that it was a new arrangement with them so that Liam could spend more time with Kelly. At that point, Hope expressed concern about Liam and Steffy spending time together and admired that Finn wasn't bothered by it.
I will be happy to admit I’m wrong if it comes out that someone else brought up the mannequin. Although I fully don’t expect to have to make any such admission. So let’s say someone else did bring it up, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?? Thomas knew it was there. He had it behind the changing screen with a designer dress on it. Are you actually saying that Thomas thinks that would not be a HUGE issue for Hope? Or that - that is the ONLY mannequin at Forrester Creations he can possibly use??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m sure the are MANY mannequins at FC!! And why did he have it hidden if he didn’t fully realize it was creepy of him to have it ?? Why was it hidden behind the curtain ?? I swear you ladies will say anything to defend him rather than just admit he is fully obsessed with Hope again!! It’s ridiculous! Notice how the Brooke / Hope fans admit that what Hope is doing is totally crappy. We aren’t blaming it on bad writing!! And we aren’t abandoning Hope as a character we like, like we are being accused of doing. We are simply saying “Hope, snap the hell out of it!!” “You are acting horribly!!” “Stop disrespecting your husband!!”
I guess you missed when we were telling Steffy to shut up about her mom and dad because she was becoming annoying and that she is only pushing her mom to get hurt again. I guess you also missed the WEEKS we spoke about high school Taylor and rallied for the old Taylor to come back because this Taylor was not a true representation of who the character truly is. We talked about how goody-goody and sugary sweet she was compared to the old Taylor who would have not just sat down and had a conversation with Brooke but would have been all up in her face. I have seen some not so nice things about Hope. Certainly a lot worse than what you've stated.
And I am pretty sure I saw the LFs refer to not being happy about the storyline being recycled regarding Douglas wanting his parents together again. I was even told that the word 'writers' was not used. I'm not sure who's writing or recycling the storyline if it's not the writers. 🙄
As for the mannequin, it's clear Thomas was not around when the mannequin was delivered since he said he did not know how it got there. Like Hope, he would have walked in and saw it and was just as in shock as Hope. As such, he would have put it behind the blind wih the intention of having it removed later on.
Omg - are you serious with that last paragraph above??? 😂😂😂😂😂 Hold on, let me pick myself up off the floor from laughing so hard!!! “It’s clear Thomas didn’t bring it up there because he said he didn’t know how it got there????” Oh silly me, I must be confusing Thomas with some other Forrester son who LIES CONSTANTLY. Of course you’re right Elle, Thomas isn’t anything if he isn’t HONEST!! OMG!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You are killing me!!! Thanks for my Saturday afternoon laugh!!!!
Recycling a storyline is simply annoying. It’s not complaining that the writers are being “unfair” in the lines they write for my favorite characters. You ladies complain the only reason your favs behave BADLY is because of the writers bad writing. 😂😂😂😂😂 I’ve already addressed this. We just don’t want have to watch Mannequin 2 - the sequel. As I said before, either way THOMAS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO LOOKS BAD IN ALL THIS. And that’s a WIN for the Logan team!!
I mean seriously, what was Thomas supposed to say to Hope when she saw it??? “Uh, the truth is Hope, I’m 100% obsessed with you again and I’m thinking about fondling the mannequin until I can fondle you!!!” LMAO!!!! Yeah, he’d have no reason to lie for sure!!! 🤣🤣 And let’s say by some HUGE stretch of reality your theory was correct, then why does the mannequin have a designer dress on??? I don’t think the prop people who brought her up from downstairs would have also taken the time to dress her!!! Nor would it be their role to dress the mannequin!! Come on!!!!!
They're trying hard not to make Donna look like the blonde bimbo she is now that she's with Eric. It must not look too good him giving up Quinn, a strong, intelligent and successful businesswoman for the likes of Donna. 🤣🤣🤣
I hope they develop Donna’s character more. I’ve always seen her as a kind but air-headed character too. I’ll bet in real life she is totally sharp! But she has the stigma of being the big-boobed airhead on the show. I hope that changes and they give her a more substantial role.
Lynn true. The dumb blond bimbo trope was a thing in the 90s, if they want to be more in line with the now, they should move away from that sexist bullshit. Plus the actress is good and they are wasting her.
NOW THOMAS YESTERDAY HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING YESTERDAY HE WANTED HOPE TO WALK IN TO SEE HIM OUT OF HIS SHIRT AND ANOTHER THING THOMAS KNEW THAT MANNEQUIN WAS BEHIND THAT WALL PLATFORM HE HAS GONE BACK MORE NOW THAN GOING FORWARD HOPE IS BLIND TO THE FACT THOMAS HAS NOT CHANGED HE IS SO POSSESSIVE OF HOPE EVERY BODY SEE HOW HE IS WHEN IT COMES TO HOPE BROOKE DEFINITELY KNOWS LIAM KNOWS AND STEPHY IS BEGINNING TO SEE IT AS WELL THOMAS IS SPIRALING DOWN THE SAME HOLE ONCE AGAIN I BE SO HAPPY WHEN IT COMES OUT ABOUT THAT CALL TO CPS
She does, but the problem is, is that she doesn’t.. She can’t just have an opinion and leave it at that.. She is a major control freak, and that’s putting it mildly!!
I want to be clear. I am NOT Team Forrester. Some people here feel like you have to pick a side. But what Liam did was wrong. He was trying to manipulate a child. Asking him if he misses his little sister. I'm surprised Eric didn't say something. But I guess he's trying to be neutral. Well the kid made it clear that he wants to stay there. My issue is by Hope spending so much time there, it's giving Douglas the idea that his mom and dad are together, and they are all one happy family. Liam not included. Hope needs to make it clear to Douglas that she is still married to Liam. The sooner the better. He's smart enough to understand that. Brooke, please go find something to do with your life. Take a trip somewhere to find yourself.
Forever36, I agree love!! If hope is going to stay the night, especially, then Liam should be with her, 100%, but I believe that is on Hope, because I don’t think Thomas would have an issue with Liam being there if he wants to see Douglas... Even last time, although Thomas was upset at the things Liam said, he did not try to stop him from waiting for Douglas to get home, or try to kick him out or told him he is not welcome.. But Liam has only gone to see Douglas twice in all that time, and it wasn’t a visit , it was to take him home.. Liam should be addressing that with Hope, not manipulating and trying get him away from there.. That was a terrible position Liam put him in.. saying things to make him feel guilty, was not fair..Hope is not listening to Liam, because he keeps going on and on about Thomas having not changed and still being obsessed with her.. So now she is just blocking him out, because he is sounding like Brooke.. If he said to Hope, hey, I would love to see Douglas too and see how he going over there, without all the whining, then I think she would listen to him more.. At the moment he is just constantly attacking Thomas, and showing Hope he doesn’t trust her judgment or ability to coparent Douglas..
It`s astounding to me that ANYONE could defend that whack job Thomas. Further more it`s Liams right to not want his family around Thomas. I would be concerned for Beth, she is not safe around him, I`m sure it`s entered Liams mind that Thomas may well harm Beth so that it`s just him Hope and Douglas. If I were Liam I would refuse to allow Beth to go there for her own personal safety. He is Beths father and therefore he is both entitled to and it's his responsibility to keep that baby safe, I wouldn`t trust Thomas around my dog. much less my child. I`m sure Liam is very aware of the abuse Thomas dished out to his own child and given that she is Liams child, she is at a much greater risk! Put your foot down Liam and refuse to allow her around Thomas the freak!! Scarey shit!!
Yes Hope needs to put some boundaries but it seems she's so afraid of starting a legal or other battle with Thomas, she just goes with anything and convinces herself to see what she wants to see. She keeps saying that she wouldn't risk Douglas safety, but that in her world means closing her eyes to all the red flags and pretending it's all flowers. Like with the mannequin she should have really freaked out instead of "aaaah! Oh well, let's flirt some more, shall we?" 🤦🏻♀️ Well soon enough she'll be forced to face reality that her mom and husband were - yet again - right about Thomas.
And yes Liam definitely should be more firm where his own child is concerned, but he's in turn trying to keep the peace with Hope... All very dysfunctional.
Milla, you sound like Brooke and Liam making it seem as though Hope is incapable of making sound decisions. Whatever happened to being kind to people, showing them that you trust them and complimenting them on their progress? I'm glad that Hope is standing by Thomas.
@JESUSKRISTUS By your logic, the people who support the whore called Brooke are whores themselves. The people who support Bill and his criminal activities are criminals themselves. 🙄🙄
Liam acts like because he hasn’t received a hand delivered engraved standing invitation to stay at Eric’s he can’t be there! That’s asinine! He could stay with Hope and Beth and spend time with Douglas as a family… he doesn’t want to! It’s not about Douglas! He is insecure in his marriage and would rather sit and moan with Brooke than be when his family!
Trying to guilt a child about enjoying time with their parent is disgusting. He was being very manipulative and he would have Thomas never see Douglas again ever if he had his way. Brooke wants Thomas out because she hates him. She wants to pretend that Hope and Liam gave birth to Douglas and he has no other family… even Ridge has to constantly remind her that Douglas is HIS grandson!!!!
@Elle I'm just stating the facts from what is being shown to us. In the beginning Hope was all against this setup and crying and whatnot and then she somehow became okay with not having the boy at home. And complimenting Thomas that he hasn't kidnapped anyone yet - I do, but it's a bit obvious where this is going. I'm sounding like Liam and Brooke because they are kinda right.
Don’t forget Donna and Eric I mean he is still married to Quinn and sleeping with Donna and has her loving in his home so by your calculations Lynn they are also whores!
Actually they have not said that Eric is still married to Quinn. And Quinn had clearly moved on and moved in with Carter. So Quinn was by her own admission done with Eric. Where the divorce papers stood is anyone’s guess.
However, Brooke is still trying to salvage her marriage and has not signed anything. That much we know. Plus Brooke’s situation literally just happened. So raisin balls Ridge and Giggles are definitely the winners in the “whore” category!!
@Lynn so true. Not that anyone will ever hold them accountable - on the show, on the blog... only what Brooke does or says is remembered. Which of course is expected because she's... unforgettable 🥰🎶😂
Wow! I used 2 examples in direct response to a specific comment that referred to supporters of Thomas as evil. My comment was to highlight the idiocy of the statement. Lynn, you jumped on that like a female dog in heat. It wasn't that serious. 🙄
Lol Elle. It’s just too easy to point out the irony in the “whore” comment. Since we have to hear daily….allllllllll day long, what a whore Brooke is, it was handed to me on a silver platter to point out the irony.
And if you had taken the time to understand where I was coming from, there would have been no need to point out the irony. My comment was not to bash Brooke. (I also used Bill as an example).
And btw, this same poster, not too long ago, questioned us (FFs) on if we understood that this was a fictional show with fictional characters but proceeds to make a statement about us (real posters) being evil like fictional Thomas just because we like him. Sigh. 😒😒
I don’t think she was referring to you or the FF’s. I think she was referring to the Forrester family who support evil Thomas and think he is this model father and man!!! 🙄🙄🙄
I am pretty sure I coined the “FF” acronym. And I think you called us the LF’s….(Logan fans). But in keeping with the letter replication, maybe we should be referred to us as the Logan lovers or (LL’s). 😬😬😬 The FF’s and the LL’s. Has a nice ring to it. Lol
Or another possibility - we could refer to you ladies as the “BB’s” -(Brooke bashers.) And we could be the TT’s (Thomas trashers.). Lol….I’m kinda on a roll!! 🤣🤣🤣
Elle, I think it was pretty clear what @jesuskristus was saying, and considering the name they use and the fact they are calling posters “evil” about a “fictional” character, all because they just want to see Thomas happy and healthy, is NOT very CHRISTIAN of them.. Regardless if “they are recycling the story line” about Thomas returning to his old ways, is not the point!! It’s not acceptable to call posters on this blog evil over a friggin show.. perhaps @jesuskristus, is blinded by the fact that one of their favourites is an outright “whore” with a coined nickname that is appropriate to her actions, which is also unchristian, and broken up too many “marriages” to count.. I guess in their mind it must just come down to the “lesser evil” perhaps??
The poster is literally just a cheering section for our favourite bully lol. I agree again with the attacking real humans for their opinion on fictional characters. I would think backing someone who has broken up countless marriages and destroyed her own children sleeping with their spouses would be a greater “evil “
Or, one in the same Bbfan!! They have stated they have trouble with English being their first language, but seem to really know how to put things together, to make their points!! apart from the spelling mistakes, I’d say that they are pretty alright with English!!
Mannequin boy Thomas is back. Brooke can read psycho Thomas like a open book. The Tridge mafia will have to catch Thomas making out with the mannequin again before they will believe that anything is wrong with their St. Thomas. They are going to have egg on their conceited little faces once again. Thomas needs real mental help and not from Dr. Quack Taylor. It seems like Taylor brings out the worst in both Thomas and Steffy.
@Joy, I never thought of it that way, but you have something there. Taylor has seemed to bring out the worst in Steffy and Thomas. It may not be intentional, but they have become adults brats. Maybe it stems from abandonment issues due to her staying gone all these years
Yes because Taylor chose to be kidnapped and shot and held against her will and forcibly kept from her children???
In the last five years she spent what two or three away doing volunteering with Doctors Without Borders??? So reprehensible that her children in their 30’s felt abandoned by that… are you having a laugh?? I’d say Brooke doing everything in her power to alienate them from their father so her own children of dubious parentage could have a daddy caused much or issues than Taylor’s service time. Especially since they talk about it ad nauseam.
She chose to stay away for many years during which time her kids were going through all kinds of crazy shit where her attendance would have been important. But in her own words, it was just too painful to see Ridge and Brooke together . Boo fucking hoo. Her kids had drug addictions, brain surgery, weddings, births...But she FaceTimed. Oh, that's great Taylor. What a wonderful mother 😂😂 Anyway, I don't claim to be a world renowned psychiatrist 😂, I'm simply speculating
Fun fact BBfan - she was only away due to being shot between 2002 and 2005. In their adult lives she has hardly been present 🙄 And seriously putting even THAT on Brooke is more than laughable 😂😂 the hate on Brooke here is beyond any logical boundaries.
BBFan101 Taylor told Ridge that the reason she stayed away was because she couldn't bear seeing him with Brooke. In other words, she couldn't be there for her children during their crisis because she couldn't bear to see Ridge with another woman. Of course, she also ran away because she shot a man in the back and left him for dead.
For goodness sake Liam, tell that nut job that you will not have your little girl sleeping under the same roof as him, or in the same house EVER!! Be brutally frank with both Thomas and Hope and then tell them both the same thing. Beth could well be in danger from Thomas the screw loose. If Hope can`t see Liams reasoning, given Thomas mental health being totally screwed up AGAIN?STILL. Because he`s just as dangerous as ever!! I`m pretty certain that this is all going to again just show how Brooke should be the psychiatrist and giggles is the airhead of the century. Brooke can read Thomas like a book and airhead doesn`t have a clue.
@Maur, seem to be blind by your passion. Thomas psycho or not is the same Thomas months ago has took out of prison Lame's. ass, the same Thomas that Lame has bagged to care of is family while he was in prison, suddenly Thomas is evil again , Thomas should be working with Hope, guess what the enterprise is still Forrester Creations, Liam still can take his wife out of there ,or they can create new fashion house LS or SL Creations problem solved. How would you feel leaving with someone that never listen to you, everytime always bashing you or badmouthing someone else. Supporting mean, you are there listen to me and help if I need and ask, not bashing every second.
Finally! A Logan fan who agrees that Liam needs to be a man. Brava Maur!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Don't you think though that it might be that Hope is fighting her feelings for Thomas just as Thomas is fighting his feelings for her? Not because we don't see Hope willing herself to stop thinking about Thomas doesn't mean she isn't having that internal struggle too. And if she is, does that make her as psycho as Thomas?
And Brooke should be the psychiatrist? 🤣🤣 The same Brooke who thought her marriage was doing so well? The same Brooke who has been talking to Liam for weeks just to commiserate about evil Thomas instead of advising him to have a discussion with his wife? 😂 😂 😂
Well hello kettle - meet pot!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Let’s see, Ridge hates Deacon and Bill both with a passion. Ridge had zero respect for Brooke wanting Hope to have a relationship with her father and for him to be allowed at the house. By your own admission, Ridge should have listened to his wife’s request and not laid down his mighty hammer forbidding Deacon to step foot in the house!! But nope, all we heard was how Brooke didn’t respect her husband’s wishes for months and months!! And let’s talk about how $$$Bill literally saved Finn from evil Sheila and actually flew Finn on his own private jet to France just to reunite him with Steffy and the Forrester clan. And Ridge still hates Bill and told him to leave when he came home and saw Brooke talking to him in her house. You ladies make it incredibly easy to counter your points!
@ Elle, lol. Multiple Logan fans have said that Liam needs to have a serious talk with Hope. It’s great that Maur said it too. But don’t discount that it has been said by many of us. Someone even said Liam should leave Hope over this. I don’t personally feel that way, but I believe it may been Hilary may have said that. As I’ve said before, we actually have the ability to find fault in our fav’s. You ladies need to take a lesson in that for sure!!! 😂😂😂
Brooke told Ridge that it was her home. ( one he bought and GAVE to her as a wedding gift) that Deacon could come and go as he pleased. Deacon could have a relationship with Hope without dropping into Brooke’s home night and day hitting on her!! Was that respectful?? Can you blame Ridge for asking his wife not to have her ex lovers/husbands that she can’t keep her lips off of hanging around their home???
Totally different to Hope coparenting Douglas and Liam is clearly welcome to go along with Hope and Beth! He CHOSE not to! He doesn’t get to bitch about it when he has made no effort to be present. He isn’t that worried about Beth either. It’s just something else to whine about with Brooke.
Hope is staying in a HUGE mansion with her daughter, she’s not sleeping with Thomas and there are loads of other people staying there… Eric, Donna, Zende, Douglas, Thomas, staff etc. Obviously it’s only an evening here and there because it was a big deal to ask her and Beth to stay for a whole weekend.
Wow Liam. Just wow! You go do this behind Hope's back without even discussing it with her first? Now that Douglas has spoken, I hope he leaves it alone.
ReplyDeleteAnd can I just say how good this little actor is? So good!
Why did Brooke go to see Steffy? Just to blame her for Ridge leaving her and, when that didn't work, bad-mouth Thomas about him still being crazy? I was so happy when Steffy asked her what she thought Ridge would think about Brooke bad-mouthing his son. Spot on, Stef!
Hope is putting a lot of faith in Thomas. I hope he opens up to her about how he's struggling. I'm not sure how things are going to develop with Thomas and Hope where the CPS call is concerned but I'm starting to think that there is a possibility that Hope and Liam's relationship is gonna take a lashing after what he did today.
@Elle Liam certainly had the nerve to come out and ask Douglas to come home, but Douglas really spilled the beans out how he wanted to be with his REAL father and NOT with him. I think Liam got a little hurt there. Brooke has nothing else better to do but to go bother someone like Steffy, because we all know Brooke never sees herself at fault. I loved that Steffy told her off about bad-mouthing Thomas. I am really concern about the app being played and someone at the Forresters or someone else hears that app with Brooke's voice, that will certainly destroy any future destiny for Thomas and Hope. Well, there are talks that Hope and Liam will not make it, and there is also talk that she might end up with Wyatt, but we shall see
Delete👏👏👏👏👏 Liam was sooooo far out of line going to Douglas like that and I’m glad wee man put him in his place. How dare he try to manipulate that wee fella like that. Hope will be livid.
DeleteBrooke spoke down to Hope again, the look on her face… way to completely undermine her as usual. Does Brooke even hear herself, seriously???
Hope has told both her mother and husband that Douglas wants to be with his father and that she approves of him being there because it's good seeing Douglas bond with his dad. She was already upset when he went the first time and Douglas was not there and he got into it with Thomas. Now, he did it again. He went against Hope. That was not cool!
Delete@BBfan101 No, Brooke doesn't hear herself when she is wrong, because she things she is right. That's why Steffy said to her that you never find the wrong in yourself, so she blames it on others.
DeleteI hope that crash THOMAS GET CAUGHT. He is so evil!!!
DeleteI agree lady’s, Liam did use emotional blackmail with Douglas!! I don’t care what anyone says.. And his motive for going to visit Douglas, is to get him home, so Hope doesn’t go to Erics and spend time with Thomas!! Not because he misses him and really wants him back.. And anyone who can’t see that is blind.. Liam has been spending all this time bitching with his MIL, when he could have been going to visit Douglas!! The only two times he gone there , is with the intention to take Douglas “home”… Now Brooke has all this feee time on her hands, when she is not having her daily rituals with Liam, she is now going to skulk around Forrester creations, causing trouble, or listening in on people, or most of all stalking Ridge!!
DeleteDoesn’t Brooke and Liam have jobs to go to? Never see them working just whining to one another. That is so wrong of Liam going behind Hope’s back to talk to Douglas.
Delete@Roseam Liam has a job but Brooke retired herself from her Brooke's bedroom line.
DeleteAnd do we are back where we started again. Can't the writer think of something else?? Unbelievable!!!
ReplyDeleteThey can't be very creative at all if all they do is keep characters down a particular tunnel hole.
DeleteYes Tina, the writers can’t seem to come up with anything new.. wether it’s lack of talent, or laziness or more likely a combination of both!! They have brought back old characters , Deacon, Sheila, and Taylor, so they can recycle old story lines.. They are destroying Thomas, the same old love triangle between Ridge, Taylor and Brooke, a reformed Deacon, turned back into a con harbouring sheila, sheila shooting people, faking her death, etc.. it’s as if they have become so desperate to raise ratings without having to put in any effort whatsoever, to come up with anything new, and are recycling all the old stories, that were popular in the past.. this show is going down the toilet fast!!
DeleteHope gets on my nerves talking with her hands.She flops her hands every which way.Hey B&B WHERE IS Shelia this story is getting boring again.
ReplyDeleteIt's been boring for awhile now. Lol I thought the mannequin looked more like Sheila than Hope. I really don't want to see Thomas go down this road again. At least he's aware that he's starting to and trying to shake it off.
DeleteI agree with you Bessie1
DeleteD, who ever it’s supposed to look like, I forgot how freaky and ugly it is 🤣🤣🤣 I am not saying Hope is ugly, I think she is beautiful, but that mannequin gives me the creeps🤣🤣🤣 no wonder Hope jumped ten feet in the air 🤣🤣
DeleteThata mannequin did look creepy 😂 I don't understand why the hell it's still at Forrester. I just assumed they had gotten rid of it, like burned it or threw it in a wood chipper
DeleteI should have said it looks like Sheila's plastic disguise. The same expression. If a Halloween party happens and Sheila turns up in her disguise and Thomas or Hope get freaked out how it looks like the mannequin and rip it off her? Then Sheila's exposed. It would make some excitement to a boring show.
DeleteD that’s what I was thinking, the plastic face 🤣🤣🤣 but that’s too creative for the writers to even consider!! @ Hilary , it’s so creepy it probably walked itself back up there, it’s like a female version of Chucky!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteLmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
Delete@D, that idea about the Halloween party would be great!
Delete@Colly 😂😂😂 "it walked itself back up there" lol!!
DeleteMilla, remember when Thomas was hallucinating when he had the brain issue, and it was talking to him and moving towards him, it was sooo creepy, and it really does remind me of of a female chucky the doll!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteOmg Colly I haven't watched that but now I definitely will 😂😂🙈🙈 gosh poor Thomas!
DeleteColly 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🎃
DeleteI happen to think that Liam showing up at Eric's and talking with Douglas was quite cool. He was talking with a lot of respect to the kid and accepts his views. What is he supposed to do, nothing? He's not allowed to open his mouth without checking with Hope when he's been raising the boy alongside her? Please. Plus he listened to the quite difficult words of Douglas with a lot of dignity.
ReplyDeleteBlowing this up into something wrong is weak. If Hope also blows it up, then sorry but she's officially not just naive, but blind bordering on stupid. I'm actually now looking forward to the egg on her face as much as on Steffy's 🥚🍳
Ah the mannequin though 😂😂🙈 Thomas, if you know that thing is there and you're not ahem... using it, how about, geeez, disposing of it? Fantasizing, remembering the fantasies... You keep racking up black points, "stud". All this will come back to haunt you when the truth comes out. If there's more (and I can't imagine not) you're only setting "the Logans" up for success. Beautiful dress though! 👌🏼
Go Brooke 💪🏼💪🏼
@ Milla - perfectly said!! There has been complaint after complaint from the FF’s when Liam does nothing but “whine” about the situation. So he goes over there to spend time with Douglas and talk to him about coming home. Liam had every right to talk to Douglas himself. I’m glad Liam finally did something!! Now we get to see where this lands because Douglas is back to talking about “his real family” with Thomas and Hope. I hope we aren’t gonna go down that same path over again with Douglas wanting his parents together. If they recycle that same storyline it will be very disappointing.
DeleteTotally Lynn. Disappointing also for the kid when it turns out his Dad is not totally sane and he magically ends up at Hope's again. But yes also for us because yawn.
DeleteWhat's weak is supporting Liam's disrespect for Douglas as Thomas and Hope's son and supporting his disrespect for Thomas and Hope as Douglas' parents. I'm not saying he should not talk to Douglas, I'm saying that, as the stepfather, he needed to have a discussion with his wife first before making that move.
DeleteLet's not pretend that Liam is doing this for the child's benefit. It's clear as day that he is uncomfortable with Hope spending so much time with Thomas and so he is trying to nip it in the bud by bringing Douglas back home. Both him and Brooke are concerned about Hope's relationship with Thomas. It has nothing to do with Douglas. It was totally wrong of Liam to do what he did without talking to Hope first.
And hating on Douglas for wanting his parents together? Really? Why shouldn't he want his parents together? First, there were complaints about Steffy and Thomas wanting their parents together because they are grown adults. Now, the complaint is about Douglas wanting his parents together. And boy oh boy, the WRITERS are being blamed for recycling the storyline. Funny, I heard no complaints about Hope wanting her parents back together.
Wow Elle, gaslight much??? LMAO!
DeleteWho exactly is “hating on Douglas”??? Nothing that was said was even remotely close to that! Douglas doesn’t get to have his parents “together” because Hope is married to Liam. End of story. And the word “writers” was not used. So not sure why you put it in all caps to highlight it!
Hope can want her parents back together now that Ridge is filing for divorce. Hope did not actively try to tear apart her mom’s and Ridge’s marriage to get her mom and dad back together! In fact, Hope supported and has been a cheerleader for Brooke and Ridge the whole time! It wasn’t until Ridge LEFT Brooke that Hope said anything about her parents reuniting!
There’s a huge difference between wanting two single people together and trying to destroy marriages to get parents back together. The Forresters are all about destroying marriages to get that to happen!
Totally gaslighting…. I thought we were buddies blah blah that is so bloody manipulative!!! He was using emotional blackmail on that bairn ! Disgusting!
Delete@Elle "supporting the disrespect"? 😅 he visited the kid and told him he misses him! He should be thrown in jail! And wanting his wife to be home and not half time with another man? How dare he! He should be chased with pitchforks 😂
DeleteGrabbing at Hope for spending exactly 2 minutes expressing a wish that "maybe someday her mom says yes" and comparing it with Steffy's obnoxious, mind-numbing months and months long vendetta I won't even comment.
Plus Douglas is a kid, he can want his parents together but like Lynn said - tough noogies, she's married. Until Liam gets tired of her nativity and hits the road, for which I'm starting to think I'll support him for once.
Oh and one more thing Elle, the only one who is gonna end up looking awful in this recycled storyline is THOMAS!!! The FF’s complain when the WRITERS make Brooke look good! I’m not complaining about the WRITERS making Brooke look bad. I’m simply saying I don’t want to have to go through another painful mannequin month because no new material can be created for something original. Either way, Thomas is just as creepy as ever and that’s a win for me!!!!
Delete@ Milla - your comment at 1:39 pm. PERFECTLY STATED!!!!
DeleteAnd of course like Lynn pointed out - expressing the wish her single parents get together, even if she was campaigning as hard as Steffy (not that it's possible for a normal person) doesn't even remotely raise to the level of anything to "complain". I can't believe we even have this comparison 😂
DeleteMilla, for sure! Some conversations…I think OK, just two different takes on it. But this is so far out there in the comparison it’s not even worth justifying Hope’s vs Steffy’s approach and the circumstances surrounding each. Just wow!! Lol.
Delete@Lynn and Milla 🙌🙌 You girls are totally right! Also, let us not forget that Thomas has been OBSESSED with Hope for years. I'm so sure that these moms on this blog would be ok with their daughter spending so much time with a nut job guy who has done all the shit that Thomas has done. Please 😂😂. I would absolutely do the same as Brooke if I saw my daughter naively falling into this trap again
DeleteThank you @Milla and @Lynn for being the voice of reason here. I totally agree with you both. @Elle, To take Douglas out of his home/real family with Beth Liam and Hope (who raised him) is actually an act of abuse from Thomas side. Since it was without any concent from Hope. She was devistated and chrushed. Do you remember that? So in order for her to spend time with Douglas she HAS to accept this arrangemant and come to Erics WITH Beth all the time . Meaning cutting LIAM out of the Family picture. Of course not intentionally BUT due to her missing Douglas so much. But she is unfortunately so naiv that she cant se what Thomas is doing to her and her family.
DeleteShe should just have told Thomas: "You can spend a weekend with Douglas. That s fine, then you ll return him home."
But Hope is to weak- wants to see the best in everyone so she misses what Thomas did to her as a mother and as a wife.
Only a psychopath would do what Thomas did. He owe them for the rest of his life for being the family to Douglas when he was insane or still is for that matter.
He is in no position to walk right in and trick Doulgas away from them, his family, Hope-Liam-Beth. Did he deliberately try to crusch their family or did he not care?
BOTH are signs of a psycopath or how a NPD operates.
Douglas is not capabale of understanding what a stabil family are like. He just wants to have fun. And it s not up to Douglas to decide where he wants to live. It s easy to manipulate a child and Thomas have done that before and NOW all over again.
Hope and Thomas share custody! Hope has had wee man two of the 10 or so years of his life!!! She has not raised him. Thomas is his father. Hope actually had consented to him living with his father for the time being. Despite what Brooke and Liam claim, he ISN’T Douglas’s father! The bairn even said it himself!
DeleteChildren actually do have a say in where they live, age depends on jurisdiction, but a judge will take that into consideration. Hope knows a judge wouldn’t back a shared custody arrangement where his l father has been completely denied overnights etc for years without an order. That never happened so Hope is being cautious. She would get a smack down for failing to nurture that relationship in the past. She sees how good it is for Douglas to be with his father and extended family. It’s not like they are living alone in a remote location.
When did Thomas ever ask for Douglas to stay over? He didn't. Hope let Thomas spend time with Douglas any time he wanted. I never saw Thomas asking Douglas to stay over or being denied time with his son. He didn't want Douglas to live with him until Douglas made him feel guilty by asking him if he thought about him all the time. Then all of a sudden Thomas wanted him. It's not like Douglas was being hidden away and having zero contact with Thomas
Delete@ BBFAN - share custody?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteSo when has Douglas been back to the cabin with Liam, Hope and Beth since Thomas took him back to great grandad’s house??? Cuz that would be “shared custody”.
Thomas assumes possession is 9/10’s of the law even when it comes to human beings!! Because Douglas has not spent any time at the cabin! And of course Thomas knows exactly what he’s doing. You want to talk about Liam being underhanded by going to Eric’s to try to get Douglas to come home, then let’s talk about the fact that Thomas is USING Douglas once again to get Hope to come to the Forrester mansion so she’ll spend time with Thomas…the master manipulator. Let’s be clear, the only underhanded snake in the grass is Thomas! And he absolutely brought that mannequin upstairs at FC. That’s why it had a dress on and was behind the changing screen. Hope believing that someone else brought it up was simply ridiculous!! I DO NOT like how naive Hope is, and I’m not blaming the writers!! Hope needs to wake the hell up!! How many times is she gonna give that lunatic the benefit of the doubt before it finally sinks in her head that Thomas is now and always will be BAD NEWS??!!!
Hillary, correct!!! Thomas had NOT been denied overnight visits. He simply never cared about having them in the past. We never saw Thomas having to fight for time with Douglas. Oh I take that back, once when Hope said he had to do his homework. What a horrible mother she is for wanting her son to get his homework done!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteAnd the thing is…Thomas is a very bad father anyway, because once this thing comes out about his call to CPS - he will most likely get his son taken away. So Thomas has risked his future with Douglas all because he’s a manipulative snake. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to kidnap Hope again! If we’re gonna do the repeat storyline, then we may as well see it all!!!
Delete@ JESUSKRISTUS - exactly!! Like you said, Douglas is having FUN right now. He likes it there because it’s “fun.” Stability and fun are not the same thing. Great grandad’s house has a screening room, pool, tennis courts and who knows what else. What kid wouldn’t love that?? The Forresters think $$$$ is the answer. But it isn’t. And like you pointed out, Douglas is too young to make those kinds of decisions. I think Hope should take Thomas to court so this can be worked out legally. The current situation is not sustainable.
DeleteCorrect Bbfan, and “Thomas” and the Forresters ARE Douglas’s “real family”.. And considering the way Brooke and Hope got custody of him, which was an “illegal” act, by the way, would not look good for Hope in court.. No matter which way you want to look at it.. It was still manipulation and trickery, and “fraud” which is illegal.. and you are correct again Bbfan, Douglas has been raised by his “real” father for the majority of his life.. simple facts..
DeleteI don't like all this "real family" talk. You don't have to be blood relatives to be a REAL family. That is derogatory to every person who has ever been adopted or raised by people who weren't biologically related to them. A family is the people who show you love, respect, and make you feel like you belong. Biology doesn't mean diddly if those related to you treat you like an afterthought.
DeleteIf there was anything “illegal” about the way Hope got custody, Thomas could have easily taken her to court anytime in the past 2 years. He was perfectly happy letting Hope and Liam raise Douglas for 2 years. He had no problem with that at all. And Thomas STILL refers to Hope as Douglas’s mother. Pretty odd that he would say that if he felt he had been duped into something illegal. Thomas has never mentioned being “tricked” into letting Hope adopt Douglas. The only ones that seem to have issue with it are the FF’s on this blog.
DeleteAnd Hope has proven to be an EXCELLENT mother. So all this “real family” stuff is bull!
Actually Hilary, you are absolutely right.. my response was more so in regards to the comment from @jesuskristus, who said that to take Douglas out of his real family, Hope Liam and Beth, was abuse by Thomas.. But I have taken troubled kids under my wing, and as far as I am concerned, I don’t see my relationship with them any differently than other, that they are just like my own.. They call me mum, and I treat them and love them the same as if they were own flesh and blood.. So I totally agree with you Hilary..
Delete@Colly and Hilary that's very true, they are a family even though not traditional nuclear one living together. And that's exactly why I don't like Liam just being pushed out like the last years in Douglas life don't mean anything. In such a small child's life that's a HUGE difference, every month is. None of the Forresters took care of the boy the way Hope and Liam did - taking him in and raising him alongside Beth. Steffy wanted to rather adopt a second baby than step in. Liam did not act like a father and he is not pretending to deserve that title but he was there for Douglas day in and day out when Thomas couldn't. And shared custody like Lynn pointed out - means the boy living with both parents and both families. What is currently happening is the mom driving up and down day after day to visit. That's visiting, not custody. Liam is right to question that.
DeleteAnd yes of course Liam wants Hope not to drive up and down there, I'd not want that too even for environmental purposes. Wtf?! She is his wife and how dare he not want her AND his own daughter living half time with another man! 🤦🏻♀️ that doesn't change the fact that Liam misses the boy too.
DeleteNobody but Liam has pushed himself out. He chose to sit at home with his MIL and complain when he could have been visiting Douglas all along. Maybe if he had done that instead of staying away, Douglas wouldn't feel the way he is feeling right now. He is probably confused wondering why Liam never came to see him before now.
DeleteThere was always a shared custody arrangement however, Douglas was not living with both parents and both families. Thomas was the one driving up and down day after day to visit. Now it's a problem because the roles are reversed? The parents seem to be quite fine with it. I don't see Hope complaining just like before, Thomas didn't complain.
If Liam doesn't want his wife driving up and down, then he needs to raise his concerns with her, not try to coerce the child into coming back to the cabin. Now that that has failed, I wonder what is he going to do next? Maybe complain to Brooke some more.
The reason Douglas even got sent to Hope's is entirely on Thomas and that he was uncapable to raise him alone (and "the Forresters" who didn't step in to help him, they are more to blame even). Why he stayed away afterwards and didn't do the real shared custody - with the boy living part time with him and part time with Hope and Liam - is also his business. Just because it was done that way, because of him and whatever reason he had not to have the kid, doesn't make it right now for the burden to be put on Hope and Liam and the roles reversed, when they are capable to raise him and have proved that. Yes Liam should be discussing it with his wife, nobody ever claimed otherwise. And she should take off the glasses of stupid and see reality - this is going down a dangerous path.
DeleteAnd yes Hope is not complaining now because she thinks it's a sustainable way to live until Liam says enough is enough, I won't have my wife and daughter living part time with an unstable man. Then Hope will be looking at a different kind of custody agreement.
Delete@Lynn also true about the "illegal" part. Neither Thomas nor the Forresters did anything about it, they were more than happy to let the Logan raise the little Forrester. If anyone brings that up in court, they'll be laughed at.
Delete@ Milla, yes to all you pointed out! Thomas never wanted Douglas for extended periods before. So now he thinks he just gets to take possession of Douglas and flip the script because all of a sudden ‘he’s ready’??!! That’s total bull!!
DeleteAnd your point about Liam not wanting his wife and daughter spending nights with another man who is also very unstable is also an excellent point! I am sure Liam does not feel welcome at all when Thomas is there. A perfect example of that is when they had one of their many ‘Forrester family dinners’ and Hope was invited as Douglas’s mom, but Liam was not. I hope Liam gets a little more direct with Hope about him not liking the situation. And honestly, I hope Thomas gets his custody privileges revoked once everything comes out about him. He is way too unstable to ever be a good dad. What kind of example is he setting for his son with all his psychotic behavior??
@Milla Why are you even trying to assign blame? You gave an explanation of what shared custody is and said that the current situation with Thomas and Hope doesn't subscribe to your explanation. I simply responded that the arrangement was always that way except it's in the reverse now. Trying to assign blame to Thomas for being incapable of raising Douglas or blaming his family for not stepping up is irrelevant.
DeleteAnd are you seriously stating that Liam and Hope should continue raising Douglas because they've done so for the past 2 years and it's now a burden to Hope? Are you conveniently forgetting that Douglas is the one who asked to spend more time with his father and Douglas is the one that says he wants to be with his real dad? Are you also forgetting that Hope has taken this burden on herself and seems to be quite happy to do so? And it's not because she thinks it's sustainable to do so but because she enjoys being around Thomas and seeing him and Douglas bond (her words). She also looks forward to going over to Eric's to spend time with Thomas and Douglas (again, her words).
And btw, Hope is not driving up and down. She has been staying over at Eric's for extended periods. Why? Because she wants to. Thomas, nor his family are to blame here. This is all on Hope. And Liam's blatant disrespect for his wife's decision about her son is all on him. Nobody else.
DeleteThey all live in the same very posh area . Oh no I have to drive from my luxury estate the one nearby, boo hoo! Sure Liam and Hope could purchase their own home with oh sun light and space and no dead animal skulls hanging on the walls. They are both trust fund brats with obscenely well paid jobs due to nepotism so surely they could purchase some place closer to Eric’s??? Before LFs say why does Thomas not buy a place… his fell through. He moved into Eric’s with the express purpose of having his son be surrounded by extended family and spend time where all of them did at various times.
DeleteI’m laughing about the $$$ comment… Brooke lives in a massive mansion in a huge private estate and Hope and Liam squat in her cabin on the property. Douglas was playing on the tennis courts with Beth, there are servants and pool oh boo hoo! Her massive trust fund and being raised all her life in luxury are such hardships for sure !!
Besides would Brooke want Thomas alone with Douglas? At Eric’s there is always someone else there… staff or family members and the Logans swan in at all hours as if they own it so they have constant access.
DeleteHope and Beth staying there in a guest room is like them all staying in the same hotel, lol. There are a million rooms there so it’s not like Hope and Thomas share a suite 😂🙄🙄🙄.
Milla, none of the Forresters knew what Brooke and Hope did.. Brooke made sure of that.. The Forresters just thought that Hope and Thomas were building a relationship with Hope, because she was not with Liam at the time, she was grieving losing Beth, and part of that manipulation was Hope making out that he had a shot with her, so he would sign Douglas over.. And the Forresters still don’t know about what they did.. Taylor questioned Brooke about how Hope got Thomas to sign over custody not that long ago.. They still don’t know about the deceit of how it happened.. And when Thomas spoke to Carter not long ago about custody, he questioned Thomas about the shared custody agreement, and Thomas said, we’ll sort of, but left it at that.. it was obvious he didn’t want to tell Carter, because he is still protecting Hope.. So to say none of the Forresters did anything about it, is unfair.. I am more than sure if they found out what Brooke and Hope did, they would have done something about it.. Especially Taylor, wether she was away or not.. She hinted to Brooke that she is confused as to why Thomas agreed to it in the first place.. Thomas is saying nothing to anyone because he is protecting Hope.. He loves her and appreciates that she has been a mother figure to Douglas, when he was having issues.. But I keep hearing, oh the Forresters knew but did nothing , well they didn’t know, and still dont..
DeleteAnd Milla, Elle is correct, about Liam feeling like he is pushed out.. That is on Liam, not Thomas and Douglas.. as Elle said, Liam chooses to sit with his MIL all day whining and bitching, rather than visit Douglas.. All that time spent with Brooke could have been visits to Douglas.. He has only gone twice, and both times, to bring Douglas back to the cabin.. Thomas has NOT said Liam is not welcome to come see Douglas whenever he wants.. That is solely on Liam.. Perhaps if Liam stopped constantly attacking Thomas, to Hope, and said, hey, I miss Douglas too and want to come with you to spend time with him, Hope would be more receptacle to hearing Liam, instead of shutting him out.. His repetitive dialogue to her is just making her feel like he she is a child, not an adult who can coparent a child.. He doesn’t trust her, and she is sensing that.. That is on him.. He wonders why Douglas feels the way he does, he has seen him ONCE, since he has been with Thomas.. The first time Douglas wasn’t there, and Liam even said, he wasn’t there to visit Douglas, he was there to pick him up and take him home.. He didn’t even hang around or come back to see Douglas the first time.. Because he went there to tell Thomas off and his conspiracy theory as to why Thomas wants HIS son.. and to take him home..
DeleteHope is Douglas’s legal mother. Thomas has never once contested it. And he was MORE THAN HAPPY to let Hope and Liam raise his son in their home for 2 + years! End of story. No laws were broken. No court case was started. Hope and Liam absolutely have rights in all this. And it would be very interesting to see what a judge would say. However, it probably won’t ever need to come to that because Thomas is already digging his own grave and will most likely lose his son anyway.
DeleteElle, I am pretty sure that “if THEY recycle that storyline”, is just another way of saying the WRITERS.. because I can’t imagine “they” have a seperate department deciding what stories are to be “recycled”?? I think some, think we are just too silly to work out the major contradiction there because the “word” WRITERS wasn’t used!! Omg!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Talk about manipulation at its finest!! LMFO!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 pfffft, I just fell off my chair, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 hold on, gotta pick myself up!! Bahwahahaha!
DeleteColly, can you ever just stay out of it? Or do you find it necessary to stick your nose into every single comment. I’m starting to get the same feeling I get when I see Deacon and Sheila kiss when I see you your comments. That yucky 🤮 feeling. Just go stalk someone else. Besides you’re way too easily proven wrong. I already addressed this very subject about 10 times. But it seems you have comprehension issues.
DeleteOmg, PKB 🪰🪰🪰🥱😴😴😴
DeleteLynn are now controlling what posts we can comment on? Really?? I wasn’t aware Bob died and made you a moderator or owner of the board?? Did I miss that??
DeleteYes Bbfan, and note, key word, she already addressed it “10 times”!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteI’m still laughing over the homework comment given that the school term hadn’t begun and it was a chapter of a book from summer reading list. He didn’t have any urgency to read it that second.. in fact he’d been a free babysitter for his wee sister for the time leading up to Thomas playing with him. It was just Hope asserting her precedence to deny Thomas the extra few minutes with Douglas, and so the bairn would know who controls his time with his father.
DeleteShared custody wasn’t being practiced when Hope and Liam announced they were taking Douglas ALL the time and would decide if and when Thomas would be allowed to see his son. There was NO court order or agreement by Thomas to those terms. Hope went along with Douglas having extended time with his family of origin after being denied time with them during all the holidays etc. it is usual practice that parents alternate years / holidays so bairns have them with both sides of their family. Brooke stated that as Hope’s adopted son he was now a Logan and should only be with that family!
Brooke disrespected and actually denied Ridge’s rights and place in his own Grandson’s life!!!
But yes it was all perfectly kosher leading up the last month 😂🙄😂😂🙄🙄🙄
Crazy Thomas is BACK!!! Just like Michael Myers in the movie “Halloween”…crazy Thomas is making his appearance all over again!
ReplyDeleteBrooke and Liam are RIGHT! Let’s not leave out that important detail!!
I thought we had gotten past Hope being so naive, but nope. Here we go again!
And who cares what Ridge thinks about Brooke’s opinion of Thomas! Brooke was right about Thomas last time and she’s right this time! The only person who needs to look at their behavior is Ridge himself for always trusting his NUTJOB son!!
@Lynn Hope is officially embarrassing. Such a shame. I do understand she wants to believe this little bubble of her part-time living at Eric's and part time with Liam is great and healthy because Thomas is, but come on! She chooses to be that blind because the alternative is to start a battle with Thomas but she will suffer, there's no doubt it my mind. And in the end all her mature, independent attitude will go down to waste when she's proven wrong and Brooke/Liam right.
DeleteOh and yes, Ridge is officially canceled 😂 it so doesn't matter what he thinks about anyone. Plus like you said he'll be in for a rude awakening where Thomas is concerned.
DeleteYeah Lynn 👍 I can't believe how stupid Hope is. God!!!! I'd just like to bitch slap her! And what you said about not caring what Ridge thinks is SPOT ON!! No one, especially Brooke, should give 2 shits what that ass thinks about anything, or Steffy either. I can't wait till everyone finds out that guess what, Thomas is still cray cray!
DeleteAmen to that @Lynn!
DeleteWhat a new storyline you come up writers, Brooke the victim, the sensitive, Brooke gonna be right again about Thomas, Hope the forever child married but needs protection from Thomas, Thomas the psycho, there's is Liam.... what's the purpose of Liam in the show?🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
ReplyDeleteExactly 👏👏👏👏👏
DeleteLiam has no purpose since he and Hope got together. They had to throw Steffy and Hayes into the mix just to give Liam purpose. After that, ho hum 😴😴
Delete@Elle so true!
DeleteI think what Lame is doing is gross, he nor Brooke can point any fingers at Thomas' past where he used Douglas. They're doing the exact same thing now! He doesn't care about having Douglas "back" or his relationship with his dad, just about Hope coming back to the hut. And he's too much of a loser to go talk to her about it, so he needs to gaslight Douglas. Also very funny Brooke mentions having a past of manipulation and obsession... takes one to know one I guess 😴
ReplyDeleteIf this ends up with Thomas stepping back into his obsession I'm done, what a waste of 2 years of healing and it'll make Hope look stupid as well. Such a repetitive storyline. I knew her trying the dress was gonna trigger something.
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DeleteSpot on lama!! It’s nothing to do with them caring about Douglas, and everything to do with getting Doulas back, so that they have more control over Hope!! Liam manipulating, when Douglas said he loves being with his real dad, it should have ended there, but Liam used manipulation, bringing up everything he did with Douglas, in an attempt to gaslight him.. not cool.. He has only gone to Erics twice to “visit” Douglas, and both times, to take him back to the cabin..
DeleteI disagree. I don't see anything wrong with Liam going to see Douglas and telling him that they miss him. Also, Liam knows that Thomas is still nuts and is manipulating Hope, AGAIN. Thomas is back to his old crazy as a shithouse rat self!
DeleteThe thing is Hilary, is Liam has only gone to see Douglas twice, and both those times, he has pretty much demanded that Douglas go back to the cabin.. if he were going on a regular basis, to see him and spend time with him, but he has not been doing that.. Hope was already unhappy he went to get Douglas the last time without her knowledge, and demanded him to go back to them, and he has just done it again.. he told Douglas it’s time to go home now.. Douglas had to ask Eric, if he had to because he doesn’t want to.. when Eric said no you don’t have to, that threw Liam’s demand out the window!! So he then started with the other stuff, and trying to make Douglas feel bad.. And as I just said, he hasn’t been going there regularly to visit him, and no one said he couldn’t, and the only two times was to take Douglas.. All the time Liam has been spending with Brooke moping and bitching, could have been spent visiting Douglas, or even spending time with his first born, who he never mentions or sees anymore, so that just compounds my point, that this is not about wanting to spend time with him, it’s about demanding he come back, so he has more control over Hope spending time with Thomas.. And hypothetically speaking, even if Thomas didn’t call cps, and had proven he really has changed, it would not change Liam or Brookes mind.. They would still be carrying on this way..
Delete@Hilary I agree with you. Nothing is wrong with Liam going to see Douglas to tell him that he misses him. However, that was not Liam's intent. Liam went there, behind Hope's back, with the intention of bringing Douglas home. And when Douglas said he didn't want to go, Liam started to manipulate him by saying how much they miss him and if he remembers when they used to play together etc. That was wrong on Liam's part, especially since Hope expressly stated that she was fine with Douglas staying at Eric's with Thomas and them bonding as father and son.
DeleteAnd how does Liam knows that Thomas is still nuts exactly? Other than the one time that Liam went over to talk to Thomas, he is not around Thomas at all to know anything. Liam is going purely based on Thomas' past. Too bad he skipped over the more recent past where Thomas got him out of prison and reunited with his family.
Elle, Liam trusted Thomas enough, to give him his blessing to be with Hope and the kids while he was facing 30 odd years in prison.. You don’t give someone that sort of blessing and trust, if you “don’t” trust them.. Instead of taking that opportunity, he instead got Liam back home to Hope.. And now it’s a different story, simply because Thomas stepped up to be a present father in HIS sons life?? As u sais Elle, up to this point, Liam has no reason to say Thomas hasn’t changed..
DeleteI think all parents manipulate their children to get them to do what we want, especially when they're young like Douglas. We all do it folks in one way or another, be it getting your kids to eat healthy or go to bed. It's a part of parenting. I never once heard Liam "demand" that Douglas come home either, as Colly said. We all know why Liam wants Douglas home, because he doesn't want hope spending time with Thomas. I would do the same thing that Liam is doing if I were in his shoes. Hope won't listen to him, so he's gotta try another way. He's not being a jerk about it, he's appealing to Douglas on a level he thinks will work.
DeleteAlso, I don't believe Liam was thinking straight when he thought he was going to prison for years. He was all over the place mentally. Yes, Thomas did the right thing by telling the truth about Vinnie and springing Liam out of prison. But, Liam and Brooke are RIGHT, Thomas IS obsessing over Hope again, we see it with our own eyes, so Liam is totally justified in being concerned
DeleteHilary, Liam said, I think it’s time for you to come now.. it wasn’t a direct demand, but if Douglas was didn’t say he doesn’t want to because he might have been uncertain to say what he felt, Liam would have taken him home.. manipulating your kids to eat their veggies , is not the same as saying things like, but we did this and that and I thought we were best buds, and I thought you missed all those things we did together too.. He was guilt tripping Douglas, and that’s wrong.. you could clearly see on his face that Douglas felt bad.. there’s a big difference between getting kids to eat their veggies, to using emotional blackmail to appeal to a kid that young..
Delete@ Hillary - YES to everything you pointed out!
DeleteAnd to say that Liam has tried with Hope and she is not listening, so he has to try another way , by appealing to a young child, in a way he thinks will work , to get him home so he has more control over Hope spending time with Thomas, is still wrong.. And it just proves that, that is his motive .. not that he cares about Douglas’s well being , and relationship with his real father, but that he tried to control the situation by manipulating Douglas on a level that is not fair to Douglas, just to get him back, so Hope spends less time with Thomas..??
Delete@Hilary I think the big difference here with Thomas is that he is aware that he should not be thinking of Hope in that way because she is married. I have yet to hear any of you gals admit to that. Your focus is purely on Thomas obsessing and about Brooke and Liam being proven right. However, we are seeing that Thomas is fully aware of what he is doing and is trying not to go down that dark path again.
Delete@lama, I thought that was the best line of the day, Brooke talking about Thomas being manipulative and obsessive 🤣🤣🤣🤣 from the mouth of the master lmao
Delete@Elle, I'm interested to see if Thomas trying to talk himself out of his longing for hope is going to really make any difference in the long run. If our writers stay true to form (which is repeating story over and over...), he'll be crossing that line soon enough. I hope I'm wrong for the simple fact it would be a DIFFERENT story for a change 😂Thomas has been a little bolder lately saying openly flirty things to Hope though, so we'll see.
DeleteI seem to recall the “self-talk” when the “Mannequin 1” miniseries took place. He was telling himself to snap out of it, cuz he knew the mannequin wasn’t real. Self-talk for Thomas is not uncommon at all. He can’t help but to get pulled back in because he is still totally obsessed with Hope - plain and simple. I seem to recall lots of y’all saying….Thomas is sooooooo over Hope! He’s not gonna start obsessing over her again. And yet, here we are. Right back at ground zero. Thomas does NOT change!! And that’s not even touching on his diabolical act of making the CPS call.
Delete@Elle he may be trying but what good does it do when it's not working? Thomas needs therapy, a real one. And I'm not saying this as a bad thing (I believe in therapy). He can't pull himself out of this alone and will keep sinking.
Delete@Hilary very very good point on the "'manipulation" argument. If Liam was trying to manipulate he wouldn't have encouraged Douglas to speak up and "tell him anything" and then shut up when Douglas did. He could have easily gone the path of how he was there for Douglas like a father and his dad wasn't and all kinds of really low manouvres. He didn't do any of that. It is true that he should have visited more often and I have no idea why he didn't, that time would have been spent better with Douglas than moping with Brooke. But I'm glad he did now. Let's see what follows, I read next is Thomas joining them in the house so there will be some face-off.
DeleteI seem to recall that when the mannequin incident happened, it was because Thomas had a tumor or something. He was literally hallucinating thinking that the mannequin was really Hope and this was as a direct cause of the tumor. This time it's different. Thomas is very clear-headed now and is thinking logically. So unless, they intend to go down that road of the tumor returning, then there's no reason to believe that it is what is happening now.
DeleteLiam is only wanting Douglas to come home because he is insecure about Hope. If Liam would take a look at himself, shouldn’t he go visit his own daughter Kelly for a change instead of whining about Douglas. In my opinion, Liam is not that great of a father figure because you never see him with Kelly, only Beth.
DeleteExactly Elle, the he was hallucinating and that the mannequin was talking to him and even moving, which is why he kissed the mannequin.. The brain issue was causing all of that.. Then he ended up collapsing and had to have emergency brain surgery.. and it was lucky Hope was there because she was worried about him after Finn pointed something out, can’t remember exactly..
DeleteYeah but what is the excuse going to be this time? Will he have another brain injury? Or is Thomas Forester just a sociopath? Stay tuned for the answer to this and more😂
DeleteThen why does he even have the mannequin now if he isn’t going down that path again?? His brain is functioning fine now (or as good as it can for someone like Thomas.) It’s clear he knew the mannequin was there. And it had a dress on. Thomas did that! So why bring it up from the basement ? He knew how crazy he was for having done it the first time. He realized after his brain surgery what he had done. So why repeat the crazy behavior??
DeleteThe mannequin only resurfaced in this show. And from what Thomas said, he did not ask for it to be brought up, he just saw it there. I can't recall there being a dress on it, it looked more like a piece of fabric was thrown over it. Until, it is shown that Thomas is indeed responsible for it being there, it is unfair to say that he is still displaying crazy behaviour.
DeleteRosann, totally agree! Liam should think about his own daughter that he’s neglected since they got Beth back! The only time he remembered her was when Finn “died”. Suddenly Finn wasn’t there to be her daddy and he had to step up for five minutes. Brooke chucked a huge tantrum saying Beth needed him more. But since Kelly is Steffy’s daughter apparently she doesn’t count or deserve to have Liam step up for her. SMDH. 🙄🙄🙄
DeleteBack on the Liam subject, I don't believe Hope is his only motivation for wanting Douglas home. I think he really is concerned about Thomas's parenting skills too. He can have more than one reason. He always seemed to love Douglas and by all accounts he seemed like an pretty awesome stepdad. And since we haven't heard Steffy or any other Forester bitching about Liam abandoning Kelly, I think we're to assume that he sees her regularly. Remember, LOTS of soap life is lived off camera. Don't you think that if Liam hadn't seen Kelly in months, that Steffy would be raising hell? Kly hasn't been part of a storyline for months, so there's no mention of her. You all know this is typical for soap children. They only get trotted out during holidays or special occasions.
DeleteUh no, I think we can safely assume Thomas is obsessing again. And Elle, it was absolutely a dress that the mannequin was wearing. If Thomas didn’t bring it up, then why is it wearing a dress and hiding behind a screen?? Thomas clearly knew it was there and tried to warn Hope before she saw it. Given the drama the mannequin caused, I’m sure that if someone else truly brought it up, Thomas would have insisted it be taken right away and destroyed!
DeleteIf it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. Thomas is the duck.
Elle, it could very well have been brought up by someone, because it was made to be used in the last showing for Hopes line.. Maybe someone thought it was going to be used again and they found it and brought it up.. But like you said Elle, it’s not fair to assume it was Thomas until they actually show it was..
DeleteBbfan, when Finn died, Liam made the admission to Steffy, that he needs to step up for Kelly, now that Finn is gone.. And he said he would also step up for Hayes, considering Finn was such a strong father figure in Kelly’s life.. So if Liam is admitting he needs to step up, then that tells me that he is feeling guilty for not being as present in Kellies life as he should have been.. We have also heard Kelly call Finn dad a few times, and no one corrected her for doing so.. Hope also, offered for the first time onscreen, for Kelly to come to the cabin , if Liam wants to spend time with her , while Steffy grieves, which Liam told Hope that Steffy would want the kids close to her at this time, so that is not feasible.. We have never seen Kelly and Beth together at either house.. I know a lot is supposed to happen off screen, but we never hear Hope say bring Kelly over, except that one time.. It’s always said especially by Brooks, even when Steffy lost Finn, that Beth needs him more!! So what is that telling the audience??
DeleteCorrect Colly! 👏🏻👏🏻 I also remember a scene with Finn and Hope at the cabin where they mentioned that Liam and Steffy had taken Kelly out to the park or somewhere. It was stated that it was a new arrangement with them so that Liam could spend more time with Kelly. At that point, Hope expressed concern about Liam and Steffy spending time together and admired that Finn wasn't bothered by it.
DeleteI will be happy to admit I’m wrong if it comes out that someone else brought up the mannequin. Although I fully don’t expect to have to make any such admission. So let’s say someone else did bring it up, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?? Thomas knew it was there. He had it behind the changing screen with a designer dress on it. Are you actually saying that Thomas thinks that would not be a HUGE issue for Hope? Or that - that is the ONLY mannequin at Forrester Creations he can possibly use??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteI’m sure the are MANY mannequins at FC!! And why did he have it hidden if he didn’t fully realize it was creepy of him to have it ?? Why was it hidden behind the curtain ?? I swear you ladies will say anything to defend him rather than just admit he is fully obsessed with Hope again!! It’s ridiculous!
Notice how the Brooke / Hope fans admit that what Hope is doing is totally crappy. We aren’t blaming it on bad writing!! And we aren’t abandoning Hope as a character we like, like we are being accused of doing. We are simply saying “Hope, snap the hell out of it!!” “You are acting horribly!!” “Stop disrespecting your husband!!”
I guess you missed when we were telling Steffy to shut up about her mom and dad because she was becoming annoying and that she is only pushing her mom to get hurt again. I guess you also missed the WEEKS we spoke about high school Taylor and rallied for the old Taylor to come back because this Taylor was not a true representation of who the character truly is. We talked about how goody-goody and sugary sweet she was compared to the old Taylor who would have not just sat down and had a conversation with Brooke but would have been all up in her face. I have seen some not so nice things about Hope. Certainly a lot worse than what you've stated.
DeleteAnd I am pretty sure I saw the LFs refer to not being happy about the storyline being recycled regarding Douglas wanting his parents together again. I was even told that the word 'writers' was not used. I'm not sure who's writing or recycling the storyline if it's not the writers. 🙄
As for the mannequin, it's clear Thomas was not around when the mannequin was delivered since he said he did not know how it got there. Like Hope, he would have walked in and saw it and was just as in shock as Hope. As such, he would have put it behind the blind wih the intention of having it removed later on.
Omg - are you serious with that last paragraph above??? 😂😂😂😂😂 Hold on, let me pick myself up off the floor from laughing so hard!!! “It’s clear Thomas didn’t bring it up there because he said he didn’t know how it got there????”
DeleteOh silly me, I must be confusing Thomas with some other Forrester son who LIES CONSTANTLY. Of course you’re right Elle, Thomas isn’t anything if he isn’t HONEST!! OMG!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You are killing me!!! Thanks for my Saturday afternoon laugh!!!!
Recycling a storyline is simply annoying. It’s not complaining that the writers are being “unfair” in the lines they write for my favorite characters. You ladies complain the only reason your favs behave BADLY is because of the writers bad writing. 😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteI’ve already addressed this.
We just don’t want have to watch Mannequin 2 - the sequel. As I said before, either way THOMAS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO LOOKS BAD IN ALL THIS. And that’s a WIN for the Logan team!!
I mean seriously, what was Thomas supposed to say to Hope when she saw it??? “Uh, the truth is Hope, I’m 100% obsessed with you again and I’m thinking about fondling the mannequin until I can fondle you!!!” LMAO!!!! Yeah, he’d have no reason to lie for sure!!! 🤣🤣
DeleteAnd let’s say by some HUGE stretch of reality your theory was correct, then why does the mannequin have a designer dress on??? I don’t think the prop people who brought her up from downstairs would have also taken the time to dress her!!! Nor would it be their role to dress the mannequin!! Come on!!!!!
@Elle, I think “deflecting” is the word most commonly used in place of writers 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteNo, deflection is when the FF’s say….oh but what about Brooke and how she slept with someone else’s husband in 1999!!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
DeleteDonna knows how to play chess 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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DeleteI’m surprised she can pronounce the word 😂
DeleteThey're trying hard not to make Donna look like the blonde bimbo she is now that she's with Eric. It must not look too good him giving up Quinn, a strong, intelligent and successful businesswoman for the likes of Donna. 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteYes, Donna Big Tits Ditz knows how to play Chess, lmao!!
DeleteJust because Donna has big tits doesn't mean she can't play chess😂
DeleteLol Hilary. Too funny!
DeleteHilary did you mean chess or chest? 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteEither 😂
DeleteShe’s good at playing both 🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteI hope they develop Donna’s character more. I’ve always seen her as a kind but air-headed character too. I’ll bet in real life she is totally sharp! But she has the stigma of being the big-boobed airhead on the show. I hope that changes and they give her a more substantial role.
DeleteLynn true. The dumb blond bimbo trope was a thing in the 90s, if they want to be more in line with the now, they should move away from that sexist bullshit. Plus the actress is good and they are wasting her.
DeleteDonna is good at playing pickle ball!! In bed with honey bear! LOL!
DeleteUp with Brooke she is the only descent one
ReplyDeleteNOW THOMAS YESTERDAY HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING YESTERDAY HE WANTED HOPE TO WALK IN TO SEE HIM OUT OF HIS SHIRT AND ANOTHER THING THOMAS KNEW THAT MANNEQUIN WAS BEHIND THAT WALL PLATFORM HE HAS GONE BACK MORE NOW THAN GOING FORWARD HOPE IS BLIND TO THE FACT THOMAS HAS NOT CHANGED HE IS SO POSSESSIVE OF HOPE EVERY BODY SEE HOW HE IS WHEN IT COMES TO HOPE BROOKE DEFINITELY KNOWS LIAM KNOWS AND STEPHY IS BEGINNING TO SEE IT AS WELL THOMAS IS SPIRALING DOWN THE SAME HOLE ONCE AGAIN I BE SO HAPPY WHEN IT COMES OUT ABOUT THAT CALL TO CPS
ReplyDeleteYes
DeleteBrooke needs to worry about her own problems.
ReplyDeleteShe likes making other people's problems her problems. She is also a master at creating problems where there are none.
DeleteShe does, but the problem is, is that she doesn’t.. She can’t just have an opinion and leave it at that.. She is a major control freak, and that’s putting it mildly!!
DeleteAnd yes, if there is no drama, she will create one.. She feeds off it!!
DeleteI want to be clear. I am NOT Team Forrester. Some people here feel like you have to pick a side. But what Liam did was wrong. He was trying to manipulate a child. Asking him if he misses his little sister. I'm surprised Eric didn't say something. But I guess he's trying to be neutral. Well the kid made it clear that he wants to stay there. My issue is by Hope spending so much time there, it's giving Douglas the idea that his mom and dad are together, and they are all one happy family. Liam not included. Hope needs to make it clear to Douglas that she is still married to Liam. The sooner the better. He's smart enough to understand that. Brooke, please go find something to do with your life. Take a trip somewhere to find yourself.
ReplyDeleteForever36, I agree love!! If hope is going to stay the night, especially, then Liam should be with her, 100%, but I believe that is on Hope, because I don’t think Thomas would have an issue with Liam being there if he wants to see Douglas... Even last time, although Thomas was upset at the things Liam said, he did not try to stop him from waiting for Douglas to get home, or try to kick him out or told him he is not welcome.. But Liam has only gone to see Douglas twice in all that time, and it wasn’t a visit , it was to take him home.. Liam should be addressing that with Hope, not manipulating and trying get him away from there.. That was a terrible position Liam put him in.. saying things to make him feel guilty, was not fair..Hope is not listening to Liam, because he keeps going on and on about Thomas having not changed and still being obsessed with her.. So now she is just blocking him out, because he is sounding like Brooke.. If he said to Hope, hey, I would love to see Douglas too and see how he going over there, without all the whining, then I think she would listen to him more.. At the moment he is just constantly attacking Thomas, and showing Hope he doesn’t trust her judgment or ability to coparent Douglas..
DeleteIt`s astounding to me that ANYONE could defend that whack job Thomas.
DeleteFurther more it`s Liams right to not want his family around Thomas. I would be concerned for Beth, she is not safe around him, I`m sure it`s entered Liams mind that Thomas may well harm Beth so that it`s just him Hope and Douglas.
If I were Liam I would refuse to allow Beth to go there for her own personal safety. He is Beths father and therefore he is both entitled to and it's his responsibility to keep that baby safe, I wouldn`t trust Thomas around my dog. much less my child. I`m sure Liam is very aware of the abuse Thomas dished out to his own child and given that she is Liams child, she is at a much greater risk!
Put your foot down Liam and refuse to allow her around Thomas the freak!!
Scarey shit!!
Yes Hope needs to put some boundaries but it seems she's so afraid of starting a legal or other battle with Thomas, she just goes with anything and convinces herself to see what she wants to see. She keeps saying that she wouldn't risk Douglas safety, but that in her world means closing her eyes to all the red flags and pretending it's all flowers. Like with the mannequin she should have really freaked out instead of "aaaah! Oh well, let's flirt some more, shall we?" 🤦🏻♀️
DeleteWell soon enough she'll be forced to face reality that her mom and husband were - yet again - right about Thomas.
And yes Liam definitely should be more firm where his own child is concerned, but he's in turn trying to keep the peace with Hope... All very dysfunctional.
Thank you @Maur! Well put! Those who defend the evil (thomas) are evil themselves!
DeleteMilla, you sound like Brooke and Liam making it seem as though Hope is incapable of making sound decisions. Whatever happened to being kind to people, showing them that you trust them and complimenting them on their progress? I'm glad that Hope is standing by Thomas.
Delete@JESUSKRISTUS By your logic, the people who support the whore called Brooke are whores themselves. The people who support Bill and his criminal activities are criminals themselves. 🙄🙄
DeleteLiam acts like because he hasn’t received a hand delivered engraved standing invitation to stay at Eric’s he can’t be there! That’s asinine! He could stay with Hope and Beth and spend time with Douglas as a family… he doesn’t want to! It’s not about Douglas! He is insecure in his marriage and would rather sit and moan with Brooke than be when his family!
DeleteTrying to guilt a child about enjoying time with their parent is disgusting. He was being very manipulative and he would have Thomas never see Douglas again ever if he had his way. Brooke wants Thomas out because she hates him. She wants to pretend that Hope and Liam gave birth to Douglas and he has no other family… even Ridge has to constantly remind her that Douglas is HIS grandson!!!!
@Elle I'm just stating the facts from what is being shown to us. In the beginning Hope was all against this setup and crying and whatnot and then she somehow became okay with not having the boy at home. And complimenting Thomas that he hasn't kidnapped anyone yet - I do, but it's a bit obvious where this is going. I'm sounding like Liam and Brooke because they are kinda right.
DeleteThe only current whores on the show are Ridge and Taylor, just to be clear. 😂😂😂😂
DeleteDon’t forget Donna and Eric I mean he is still married to Quinn and sleeping with Donna and has her loving in his home so by your calculations Lynn they are also whores!
DeleteActually they have not said that Eric is still married to Quinn. And Quinn had clearly moved on and moved in with Carter. So Quinn was by her own admission done with Eric. Where the divorce papers stood is anyone’s guess.
DeleteHowever, Brooke is still trying to salvage her marriage and has not signed anything. That much we know. Plus Brooke’s situation literally just happened. So raisin balls Ridge and Giggles are definitely the winners in the “whore” category!!
@Lynn so true. Not that anyone will ever hold them accountable - on the show, on the blog... only what Brooke does or says is remembered. Which of course is expected because she's... unforgettable 🥰🎶😂
DeleteWow! I used 2 examples in direct response to a specific comment that referred to supporters of Thomas as evil. My comment was to highlight the idiocy of the statement. Lynn, you jumped on that like a female dog in heat. It wasn't that serious. 🙄
DeleteLol Elle. It’s just too easy to point out the irony in the “whore” comment. Since we have to hear daily….allllllllll day long, what a whore Brooke is, it was handed to me on a silver platter to point out the irony.
DeleteAnd if you had taken the time to understand where I was coming from, there would have been no need to point out the irony. My comment was not to bash Brooke. (I also used Bill as an example).
DeleteAnd btw, this same poster, not too long ago, questioned us (FFs) on if we understood that this was a fictional show with fictional characters but proceeds to make a statement about us (real posters) being evil like fictional Thomas just because we like him. Sigh. 😒😒
I don’t think she was referring to you or the FF’s. I think she was referring to the Forrester family who support evil Thomas and think he is this model father and man!!! 🙄🙄🙄
DeleteI am pretty sure I coined the “FF” acronym. And I think you called us the LF’s….(Logan fans).
DeleteBut in keeping with the letter replication, maybe we should be referred to us as the Logan lovers or (LL’s). 😬😬😬
The FF’s and the LL’s. Has a nice ring to it. Lol
Or another possibility - we could refer to you ladies as the “BB’s” -(Brooke bashers.)
DeleteAnd we could be the TT’s (Thomas trashers.).
Lol….I’m kinda on a roll!! 🤣🤣🤣
Elle, some days are great, and other days, are just so frustrating.. you know what I mean??🤣🤣🤣
DeleteYeah Elle, we also have to hear allll day looooong how wrong we are aaaallll the time 🤣🤣👏🤣
DeleteElle, I think it was pretty clear what @jesuskristus was saying, and considering the name they use and the fact they are calling posters “evil” about a “fictional” character, all because they just want to see Thomas happy and healthy, is NOT very CHRISTIAN of them.. Regardless if “they are recycling the story line” about Thomas returning to his old ways, is not the point!! It’s not acceptable to call posters on this blog evil over a friggin show.. perhaps @jesuskristus, is blinded by the fact that one of their favourites is an outright “whore” with a coined nickname that is appropriate to her actions, which is also unchristian, and broken up too many “marriages” to count.. I guess in their mind it must just come down to the “lesser evil” perhaps??
DeleteThe poster is literally just a cheering section for our favourite bully lol. I agree again with the attacking real humans for their opinion on fictional characters. I would think backing someone who has broken up countless marriages and destroyed her own children sleeping with their spouses would be a greater “evil “
DeleteOr, one in the same Bbfan!! They have stated they have trouble with English being their first language, but seem to really know how to put things together, to make their points!! apart from the spelling mistakes, I’d say that they are pretty alright with English!!
DeleteEnglish *NOT being their first language..
DeleteMannequin boy Thomas is back. Brooke can read psycho Thomas like a open book. The Tridge mafia will have to catch Thomas making out with the mannequin again before they will believe that anything is wrong with their St. Thomas. They are going to have egg on their conceited little faces once again. Thomas needs real mental help and not from Dr. Quack Taylor. It seems like Taylor brings out the worst in both Thomas and Steffy.
ReplyDeleteSo many eggs coming 😂🍳 I'm expecting (also because of some spoilers) Thomas to do something worse and involving real Hope, not mannequin Hope.
Delete@Joy, I never thought of it that way, but you have something there. Taylor has seemed to bring out the worst in Steffy and Thomas. It may not be intentional, but they have become adults brats. Maybe it stems from abandonment issues due to her staying gone all these years
DeleteYes, Milla - lots and lots of 🍳 🥚🍳🥚🍳 coming for sure!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteYes because Taylor chose to be kidnapped and shot and held against her will and forcibly kept from her children???
DeleteIn the last five years she spent what two or three away doing volunteering with Doctors Without Borders??? So reprehensible that her children in their 30’s felt abandoned by that… are you having a laugh?? I’d say Brooke doing everything in her power to alienate them from their father so her own children of dubious parentage could have a daddy caused much or issues than Taylor’s service time. Especially since they talk about it ad nauseam.
She chose to stay away for many years during which time her kids were going through all kinds of crazy shit where her attendance would have been important. But in her own words, it was just too painful to see Ridge and Brooke together . Boo fucking hoo. Her kids had drug addictions, brain surgery, weddings, births...But she FaceTimed. Oh, that's great Taylor. What a wonderful mother 😂😂 Anyway, I don't claim to be a world renowned psychiatrist 😂, I'm simply speculating
DeleteFun fact BBfan - she was only away due to being shot between 2002 and 2005. In their adult lives she has hardly been present 🙄
DeleteAnd seriously putting even THAT on Brooke is more than laughable 😂😂 the hate on Brooke here is beyond any logical boundaries.
BBFan101 Taylor told Ridge that the reason she stayed away was because she couldn't bear seeing him with Brooke. In other words, she couldn't be there for her children during their crisis because she couldn't bear to see Ridge with another woman. Of course, she also ran away because she shot a man in the back and left him for dead.
Delete@ Joy, 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Delete@Joy we should see you post here more often 🤗
DeleteBbfan 👏👏👏
DeleteI think Donna is better at pickle ball, or hiding the pickle than at chess.LMFAO!!
ReplyDeleteHiding the pickle... 🤣🤣🤣
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DeleteFor goodness sake Liam, tell that nut job that you will not have your little girl sleeping under the same roof as him, or in the same house EVER!! Be brutally frank with both Thomas and Hope and then tell them both the same thing. Beth could well be in danger from Thomas the screw loose.
ReplyDeleteIf Hope can`t see Liams reasoning, given Thomas mental health being totally screwed up AGAIN?STILL. Because he`s just as dangerous as ever!!
I`m pretty certain that this is all going to again just show how Brooke should be the psychiatrist and giggles is the airhead of the century. Brooke can read Thomas like a book and airhead doesn`t have a clue.
@Maur, seem to be blind by your passion. Thomas psycho or not is the same Thomas months ago has took out of prison Lame's. ass, the same Thomas that Lame has bagged to care of is family while he was in prison, suddenly Thomas is evil again , Thomas should be working with Hope, guess what the enterprise is still Forrester Creations, Liam still can take his wife out of there ,or they can create new fashion house LS or SL Creations problem solved. How would you feel leaving with someone that never listen to you, everytime always bashing you or badmouthing someone else. Supporting mean, you are there listen to me and help if I need and ask, not bashing every second.
DeleteFinally! A Logan fan who agrees that Liam needs to be a man. Brava Maur!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteDon't you think though that it might be that Hope is fighting her feelings for Thomas just as Thomas is fighting his feelings for her? Not because we don't see Hope willing herself to stop thinking about Thomas doesn't mean she isn't having that internal struggle too. And if she is, does that make her as psycho as Thomas?
And Brooke should be the psychiatrist? 🤣🤣 The same Brooke who thought her marriage was doing so well? The same Brooke who has been talking to Liam for weeks just to commiserate about evil Thomas instead of advising him to have a discussion with his wife? 😂 😂 😂
Well hello kettle - meet pot!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteLet’s see, Ridge hates Deacon and Bill both with a passion.
Ridge had zero respect for Brooke wanting Hope to have a relationship with her father and for him to be allowed at the house. By your own admission, Ridge should have listened to his wife’s request and not laid down his mighty hammer forbidding Deacon to step foot in the house!!
But nope, all we heard was how Brooke didn’t respect her husband’s wishes for months and months!!
And let’s talk about how $$$Bill literally saved Finn from evil Sheila and actually flew Finn on his own private jet to France just to reunite him with Steffy and the Forrester clan. And Ridge still hates Bill and told him to leave when he came home and saw Brooke talking to him in her house.
You ladies make it incredibly easy to counter your points!
@ Elle, lol. Multiple Logan fans have said that Liam needs to have a serious talk with Hope. It’s great that Maur said it too. But don’t discount that it has been said by many of us. Someone even said Liam should leave Hope over this. I don’t personally feel that way, but I believe it may been Hilary may have said that.
DeleteAs I’ve said before, we actually have the ability to find fault in our fav’s. You ladies need to take a lesson in that for sure!!! 😂😂😂
Brooke told Ridge that it was her home. ( one he bought and GAVE to her as a wedding gift) that Deacon could come and go as he pleased. Deacon could have a relationship with Hope without dropping into Brooke’s home night and day hitting on her!! Was that respectful?? Can you blame Ridge for asking his wife not to have her ex lovers/husbands that she can’t keep her lips off of hanging around their home???
DeleteTotally different to Hope coparenting Douglas and Liam is clearly welcome to go along with Hope and Beth! He CHOSE not to! He doesn’t get to bitch about it when he has made no effort to be present. He isn’t that worried about Beth either. It’s just something else to whine about with Brooke.
Hope is staying in a HUGE mansion with her daughter, she’s not sleeping with Thomas and there are loads of other people staying there… Eric, Donna, Zende, Douglas, Thomas, staff etc. Obviously it’s only an evening here and there because it was a big deal to ask her and Beth to stay for a whole weekend.