The Bold and the Beautiful 10-9-23 Full episode B&B 9th October 2023
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Hope will get over the Deacon & Shelia relationship much quicker than Finn. Liam's head will explode when he learns that both of his daughters will be related to Shelia by marriage.
ReplyDeleteBrooke can not "Call Hope Out" for her love life. Brooke always did as she pleased, now it's Hope's turn. Can't pull the, " devastate a family." routine. That happens either way she chooses. Hope surprising Brooke about Finn has her speechless. Even Brooke hasn't juggled 3 guys at the same time. Brooke should be glad Hope the student surpassed the teacher.
DeleteOf course RJ thinks Luna is beautiful. She's like a mirror image of himself. When they have kids they will all be little clones, and they won't be able to tell them apart.
DeleteWitchyPoo, that is the same thing, that I noticed today. I said, they look a lot alike. wish he would slow down, with the hitting on her crap. Can't wait to see how he feels, when he learns the truth about her, whatever it is.
DeleteLol Renee, especially the way it just snuck up on them. But wow..go Finn!! didn't know he had it in him.
DeleteTY Bob. Have a great week.
ReplyDeleteHahah Hope "situationship" says it ALL. That's the word. And yes you're starting to think about the good doctor ð I hope the fact that he's getting involved in so many storylines will show us his true acting potential without a Steffy glued to his mouth.
ReplyDeleteThe flirting of RJ and Luna is so awkward, cringe actually. And what exactly makes her "awesome" and "special"? All she's done is bring some stuff to Eric's and to this office and batted her eyes at RJ.
Ahahah "control her with what? Your nunchucks" ð ð Deacon, you officially proved your cognitive skills are damaged. In one sentence you say how Hope gave you a second chance and then how you will be with Sheila ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ and let us show Steffy and the Forresters she's changed.
Milla, looks like Finn and Hope are going to have more things to bond over in future episodes once Finn tells Hope about Sheila and Deacon. Could get interesting. ð. I think Finn (Tanner Novlan) is a very attractive man, but he still seems a bit stiff in his acting. I wish he could loosen up a bit.
DeleteI thought the scene between RJ and Luna was corny also.
Come on Deacon…....you can’t be that naive to think Finn is just gonna say….”OK, let’s all be one big happy family” just cuz you think Sheila deserves another chance. And your clientele is gonna take a big hit once people realize who you’re engaged to.
I also think the actor should loosen up a little and I really hope we see some good acting ð for sure the two will bond. The mere fact that first thing ran off to talk to Hope to me is hinting that they will find in this another serious common ground. It may get interesting especially when Steffy and Liam return to the scene. I can already see the sparks coming out of Steffy’s eyes ð ð
DeleteJust a little off the subject... Did you see Finn's new Liberty/Biberty commercial for Liberty Ins?
DeleteIndeed ladies nothing to add on your points
DeleteAnd i can’t wait to see the hate on hope again as we always said and finn for sure and absolutely brook blaming her for some just imaginary ðððð
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Deletebrandy haha no, do you have a link? ð
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2i7c0X7tU4 - Here it is. Funny too...lol
DeleteOmg ðĪĢðĪĢI hope the bad acting here is ironic.
DeleteShame - I really do think he's in the industry ONLY coz of his good looks... Aside from that.... errrr.... Lol - Lets hope now that he's getting more of a dialogue on Bold, its gonna help him get somewhat better at acting.
DeleteThank you Bob ð..have a good weekð
ReplyDeleteLook at the wheels turning in Brooke's head as to how she can get Finn away from Steffy and with her daughter. Sigh.
ReplyDeleteOn a serious note though, Hope saying that Steffy is lucky to have such a great husband as Finn is usually a sign that all hell is going to break loose. Finn may not be all that great after all. And after the way he went off on Sheila? Hmm....
Totally agree with you Elle
DeleteYes, I was thinking the exact same thing Elle.. You could tell what Brooke was thinking!! Her comment “interesting”, also says a lot.. She is definitly going to push Hope towards Finn just to get her away from Thomas… Another situationship, where the man loves Steffy…
DeleteFunniest comments today, after Finn goes off on Sheila, about why Steffy left and tells her to leave, all she says to Deacon when he asks if she is ok after all that, is “I am just worried about Finn, lucky we didn’t tell him about the engagement”!! Like Finn is going to care!! I don’t think she heard a word Finn said… He couldn’t give two hoots about her and Deacon, he wants her gone from Los Angeles, and she completely ignored him.. She really is delusional.. And Deacon was the funniest, he will protect Steffy and Finns family from Sheila, with his “I am a master in ju-jitsu remember”ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢ Finn, nunchucks ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢ omg.. I laughed.. Who writes these scripts!!
It was all comical today. There really isn't much more to say. But when did RJ start doing his own designs?? I haven't seen one of his own yet, just the ones he's been sketching for Eric.
DeleteD, I think it was more just him flirting with Luna.. Looked like it was working ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢ
DeleteColly, and what's worse with Brooke trying to push Hope onto Finn will be Hope actually listening to her mother's bad advice, yet again by actually getting involved with another man whose heart belongs to Steffy. I hope that Hope is smarter than that.
DeleteFinn was great with Sheila. I didn't know he had it in him either. And while Deacon was sitting there aghast, Sheila just bent her head like she really was not hearing anything that Finn was saying to her. The woman is sick. Don't know how anyone, least of all Deacon, can think she's changed. She will never change. Gotta hand it to KB though. Amazing actress!
D, I saw your other comment regarding Li and her dislike of the Forresters. Now, I am confused. I will probably have to look at those episodes again to remember exactly what happened back then. ðĪĢðĪĢ
DeleteElle if Finn gets involved with Hope that will show Steffy he is a new Liam. How would his heart "belong" to her if he's involved with another?
DeleteElle I could be totally wrong. I seem to remember some controversy was going on with Steffy or the Forresters and she questioned Finn if he really wanted to be involved in that lifestyle and ahe seemed very cols to Steffy. Lol don't even remember now why this was brought up.
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Yes, that's what I remember too, D. I am thinking that was when the whole Sheila thing happened. I can't remember exactly.
DeleteMilla, the same way Liam belongs to Hope because she had him first. The only difference is Finn took a bullet for Steffy. Now if that does not show unconditional love, then I don't know what will.
DeleteLiam was almost thrown off a building trying to save Hope from Thomas and his ð ð if Thomas had had a gun, he would have jumped to save her too. If you think that the "who had him first" is a measure of ownership of heart, I never said that. Him getting involved with someone else doesn't mean that he doesn't/didn't love Steffy tremendously. It means that no heart on this soap ever stays for just one person to "own" (maybe even poor Thomas will be lucky enough to get away from the Hopeless curse).
DeleteHi Bob I think my last reply to Elle here got blocked.
Delete3 of them actually...
DeleteJust to clarify the new and improved Sheila. She hasn't done a damn thing to prove she's trying to redeem herself. She is not seeing a therapist / counseling or attending anger management courses. Just a lot of I've changed blah blah blah. And what's with Deacon Is he REALLY believing this or is there more behind this ?And so now the story line is to connect Hope & Finn boring match.
ReplyDeleteAgree Debbie!! Sheila thinks that just because Deacon loves her, that’s all she needs to prove to people she has changed..?? Finn and Hope don’t have the chemistry Hope and Thomas do.. Boring indeed!!
DeleteEveryone would say how boring Finn is and that his only purpose is to be Steffy's puppet. Now, all of a sudden, they want the boring puppet with Hope. Lmao! People just don't want Hope and Thomas together so they will support her being with anyone else, just not Thomas.
DeleteHope and Finn hooking up would just be sweet karma for Liam and Steffy’s bad behavior. I don’t think any of us expect anything / want anything long term with Finn and Hope. Most of the LF’s just want Hope to take some time off from men altogether. But one thing that sure doesn’t look too promising is Thomas and Hope for anything more serious than lustful sex. And that makes the LF’s very happy!!! ððŧððŧððŧ
DeleteKarma again? Wasn't karma already served when, according to the LFs, Liam chose Hope over Steffy? Wasn't karma served to Liam when Hope married his brother Wyatt? Wasn't karma served to Steffy when Hope got pregnant with Kelly and Liam left Steffy to be with Hope? What other karma is left to be gotten?
DeleteElle Karma keeps returning when people don’t learn ð what you mention is punishment for their behavior back then, what Lynn is talking about is for their illicit kissy kissy recently.
DeleteAnd PS I don't see anyone rooting for a relationship between Hope and Finn. We said it would be interesting to watch for the drama that will befall everyone else (Steffy, Thomas, Liam) not because the pairing itself is something great. It could be, if played well, but we have very little data so far to imagine that.
DeleteFinn was boring because he was Steffy's mouth candy and nothing more. Now that he is getting involved in other storylines, that makes him something more. It's organic.
Milla, exactly. And yes, I was referring to Steffy and Liam’s recent kissy kissy as you mentioned. ðŽðŽðŽ
DeleteBut that recent "kissy kissy" (lol) was ALL Liam. That was not Steffy's fault. She even gave Liam a speech about her being a happily married woman and he should not go around feeling he is entitled to kiss her. Even when she was at Eric's and Liam came over telling her how much he wants back what they had, Steffy told him to leave. She even chose to move back in with her husband. She was faithful and loyal to Finn. So what exactly does Steffy deserve karma for?
DeleteLiam did it but Steffy hid it ð Finn may remember how he blamed Liam for being out to destroy their marriage and Steffy denying it, all the while keeping (and constantly replaying in her mind) the kissing. It is similar to when Ridge made a whole (very watch-worthy) production of dumping Taylor for sleeping with James years before. It was the secret that made it bad, not the deed itself.
DeleteFor some reason (drama) on soaps the scorned party doesn't see the keeping of the secret the way it was meant - for their protection - but as hidden feelings or even a start of something bigger.
DeleteI agree she should have told Finn but I cannot imagine that he would leave her over that, especially since she has rejected Liam since then and most especially since Finn already knows what Liam is trying to do. He is just going to put all the blame on Liam, I believe. He is desperate to have his family back. I can't imagine him chucking it all away over Steffy not mentioning what Liam did. Taylor actually slept with James. Nothing of the sort happened between Steffy and Liam.
DeleteThat's why I said it's not the deed but the secret.
DeleteElle, you make Steffy out to be completely innocent aside from the fact that she hid the truth from Finn. But she is not completely innocent. It’s takes a split second to push someone off who starts kissing you when you don’t want to be kissed. Steffy did not react with that split second push off in either kissing incident. It’s true she didn’t initiate it. But I maintain it took her way, way too long to remove herself from the kissing moments. It was like she had to “think about it” first.
DeleteSorry, but that rediculous.. in soaps when something like that happens, the producers keep the camera rolling to push home the scene, then call cut when they are satisfied the scene or facial expression or whatever is happening in the scene is well established.. this is not real life.. a matter of dragging seconds at the end of a scene normal.. it’s ridiculous to quibble over that.. the fact of the matter is she pushed him away, and in the second kiss at her home she told Liam she already told him after the kiss in Rome and again then in her house she let him have it, and again told him to leave when he tried the third time.. But of course, Lfans will try with anything to make her look bad.. it took her to many seconds to push him away ðĪĶ♀️ðĪĶ♀️ðĪĶ♀️ really!! Sorry, Elle I agree with everything u said.. yes, Steffy should have told Finn.. But with everything happening at the time, I believe there were many reasons she didn’t.. that is where Steffy went wrong, not telling Finn what “LIAM” did.. that’s it..
DeleteColly, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. All I know is that if someone kisses you that you don’t want kissing you, you react instantly. This isn’t complicated. They have replayed that same scene many times as flashbacks, and each time I watch it - Steffy seems to stay in the ‘kiss’ with Liam even longer. She is not throwing him off her right away, not by any stretch.
DeleteI honestly don’t know why you ladies all fight the facts that Steffy still very much cares about Liam. And if they ultimately end up back together, then I guess we can once and for all stop arguing about the length of the kiss. Because it will be proven that Steffy still has feelings for Liam. She slept with him when she was involved with Finn…..so that should tell you something right there.
Length of the kiss, the closed eyes, the expression after it - it's a whole mix that made it VERY OBVIOUS Steffy was not fighting it. It's more like FFs would say anything to excuse or gloss over those people's behavior.
DeleteMilla, exactly. I will even dial back my comment that Steffy was kissing him back if it makes the Steffy fans more accepting. I’ll just say Steffy WAS ALLOWING Liam to kiss her. And there isn’t one viewer that should say she stopped it right away, because she absolutely did not. ‘Allowing someone to kiss you’ is NOT COOL when you’re happily married.
DeleteThomas don't be surprised if Hope and Finn have a Affair she told you that she fears that she is just like her mother, Brooke!! Also, I agree Colly and Elle that Brooke is going to encourage Hope to be with Finn!
ReplyDeleteIf Hope goes after a married Finn and has an affair, I am pretty sure people will support it. The upside is that Hope may get back the fans she lost when she cheated on Liam. They would much prefer that she breaks up a marriage than be with a man who is single and loves only her.
DeleteWhy would we want that, Elle? Steffy is gonna break up her marriage all by herself with her inappropriate behavior with Liam. ððð
DeleteLmao Lynn!
DeleteI personally lost some of my anger towards Hope once we saw what I wanted to see - her experiencing retribution and remorse for how she derailed her marriage and family for nothing. Her behavior with Thomas then again ruined her in my eyes because it shows a very needy side when she keeps repeating how Thomas wants only her (implying he is the only one who could). Incredible lack of self-respect from a woman who has absolutely everything going for her and can have any man who wasn't her abuser. This is a terrible message to women. And so is this glorification of "chemistry", no matter the traumatic background. I am so glad they seem to be moving away from it and Hope is waking up.
DeleteCouldn’t agree more, Milla! And if we don’t have to endure anymore disgusting sex scenes between Hope and Thomas, that would be fantastic! Hope may finally be waking up! Maybe it took someone like Finn, someone on the outside of all this to make her see the light. She knows how much her mom hates Thomas, so Hope couldn’t accept Brooke’s opinion as having any objectivity. But Finn, well that’s another story altogether. I still think that if Finn finally discovers the kisses that Liam and Steffy shared, that could doom their marriage. And that would open the door for Hope and Finn to hook up. But I really don’t see the two of them together long term as I already mentioned.
DeleteI don't think Brooke is interested in her daughters happiness at all. She just likes to see Hope get involved with any man that Steffy can have and interfere in her marriages. As someone stated above Brooke is going to push her into another relationship where she will be second to Steffy.
DeleteLynn yes I also ultimately want this little affair with Thomas to end. Yuk. Regarding Finn and Steffy's marriage - that may be one of the factors for sure, but don't forget that he forgave her not only a whole night of cheating but a humiliating "who's the daddy" experience. Finn's capability for forgiveness to Steffy is amazing. On the other hand, hearing that Steffy kept it from him all the while putting him through this separation could be the final nail. Especially if Liam keeps sniffing around and finally convinces Steffy.
DeleteD - you ladies are totally jumping the gun on Brooke and assuming that she is going to push Hope into a relationship with Finn. Brooke is still a Liam fan and thinks that Hope and Liam should work on their marriage. So let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Brooke hates Thomas, or at the very least, Brooke hates what Thomas has put Hope through over the years. And Brooke has every right to feel the way she feels about Thomas. If and when Brooke actually suggests to Hope that she should pursue a relationship with Finn, then you ladies will have a leg to stand on. Right now it’s Brooke bashing just for the sake of Brooke bashing with zero facts to back it up.
DeleteMilla, the thing that makes me think Finn will go crazy if he learns about the kissing between Liam and Steffy is the fact that he really, really dislikes Liam these days. He was acting obsessed with Liam pretty recently. And like you pointed out, it was kept secret from him all this time. Plus they are married now, not just dating….so the cheating will be taken more seriously. I could be wrong, but I see rough seas ahead for Finn and Steffy, unrelated to all this Sheila mess.
DeleteIt was her "interesting" comment. AS others have said, you could see the wheels turning in her head. And why would she want Hope with Liam when she knows Liams real love is Steffy, just because she is a "Liam fan"? Call it Brooke bashing....I call it a mother interfering for her own satisfaction not her daughters happiness.
DeleteSpot on Lynn.
DeleteLynn, as Milla pointed out, Finn has been pretty amazing with his forgiveness toward Steffy. His dislike for Liam is because he is convinced that Liam is out to destroy his marriage and because he knows that Liam will jump at any opportunity to take advantage of the history he shared with Steffy. Finn might be angry for a second but, make no mistake, he will put the blame squarely on Liam's shoulders for trying to come between him and his wife.
DeleteMilla, I want to respond to your comment at 7:15 am but I first want to know what you interpret as abuse toward Hope from Thomas. I will refute it but I want to understand your perspective first. How exactly did Thomas abuse Hope?
DeleteElle I think you created a whole list of misdeeds yourself (I think when you wanted to make the point that you can't hear that anymore!) ðð and that's what we've discussed more than anything on this blog. The biggest abuse of course is going through every imaginable and unimaginable way to keep the existence of her child from her, nearly forcing (!!) her on a helicopter for that to kidnap her? I honestly have no desire to rehash Thomas' past for the millionth of time. I know that you don't agree it was abuse but for me (and others) the level of sadism it takes to want to see a woman grieve the death of her newborn is one of the most evil things a non-Sheila and non-Quinn has done on this show. Abuse doesn't even cover it.
DeleteAnd regarding Steffy and Finn, I have the feeling it won't be just the Liam kissing, more stuff will happen that will break the marriage. But finding out about it certainly won't help.
DeleteI'm not sure what misdeeds I created for Thomas. I support Thomas. A lot of non-supporters have created misdeeds, I would say. I would also say that keeping the secret of the existence of her child is not abuse. If that were so, Brooke keeping the fact that Taylor was alive from Ridge can also be seen as abuse. Or Brooke keeping the fact that Taylor was pregnant with Thomas, Ridge's child, was abuse. But of course, that would be ridiculous of me to say because it was not.
DeleteIs attempted kidnapping considered abuse? He was trying to keep her away from Liam. Kidnapping, attempted or not, is kidnapping. Maybe you have no desire to rehash Thomas' past because you really don't know what else Thomas did to Hope that can be considered abuse. Thomas never abused Hope however, one person decided to call it abuse and got all of the Thomas haters to jump on the abuse train. But every time I ask someone how did Thomas abuse Hope, I get a similar answer or no answer.
Thomas is getting help for his issues - something that a lot of people on this show don't even bother to get, for example, Brooke. Hope chose to forgive Thomas based on his personal desire to change. He accepted that he was not okay and committed to changing his ways. To continually define someone based on their past is not only wrong but it's abusive! Because every time they take a step forward (and Thomas has been making strides), there is someone to remind him about his past - even his own mother! Is it any wonder he is completely in love with Hope? She is the only one that has seen the efforts he is making, commends him for it and accepts him.
DeleteWhy should it be considered her having a lack of self-respect just because she wants to be with a man who is changing, growing and maturing? Thomas is better than Liam because Liam does not even accept that he has a problem with his abusive ways. Hope being with Thomas is an upgrade in every way that counts. Saying that Hope lacks self-respect or rehashing Thomas' past to somehow keep that old identity tied to who he is now is unfair, to say the least.
D - I think you are reading way too much into Brooke’s comment of “Interesting.” Like I said, Brooke has always wanted Liam and Hope together. Liam has cheated before, and that didn’t make Brooke any less determined to try to get them to stay together. And don’t get too excited about the idea that Steffy is Liam’s true love.. Lol. Liam doesn’t have a “true love.” Liam has proven over and over that he is the King of Waffle Town and nothing more!!!
DeleteBrooke believes that Hope will be happiest with her family. And Brooke sees that family as being Liam, Hope, Beth and Douglas. So I really don’t see Brooke trying to get Hope to pursue Finn unless Liam and Steffy start a relationship. I think all Brooke cares about at this point is getting her daughter away from Thomas.
Elle you can't possibly compare the hiding of a newborn (and going through criminal things for that) is the same as hiding Taylor was alive or that she was pregnant (that was for HER to tell ffs!). And I don't need anymore than the two abuses (or and the attempt to drug her to sleep with her) to make my point. I only need the Beth storyline. And I am not willing to rehash debates we've had for 100s times because I start to feel like a broken record. We are not telling each other anything new, more like sound like we are written by the writers of the soap itslelf - saying the same for million of times in different (or not) ways.
DeleteAnd last - the list you wrote(I think some months back) was actually pretty complete ð you of course didn't write it to bash Thomas, but to show that you're tired of hearing the same thing.
DeletePS Hope doesn't really want to be with Thomas and definitely not for the reasons you mentioned. She called what they have a "situationship" for crying out loud! That's what you nowadays call the most uncommitted, going nowhere kind of thing. All she wants is to enjoy her reflection in his eyes. Actually, if she had said exactly what you said - all the reasons why *he* is special - we wouldn't be calling it out so much. But she says only that she likes him for how he never had eyes for anyone but *her*. Which was especially the case when he was psychoman and wasn't anywhere close to "changing, growing and maturing".
DeleteAnd Elle, just like Liam went absolutely bonkers when Hope kissed Thomas, I think Finn is gonna lose it when he finds out Steffy kept the Liam kisses from him. Finn DOES NOT like Liam or the history there. Was it mainly Liam’s fault because he initiated the kisses….hell ya! But does Steffy get off scot-free when she totally kept it from Finn?? I don’t think so. Like Milla said, other things may happen that will pull them apart. But if those kisses finally get revealed, it won’t go well for Steffy and Finn’s relationship. Steffy is sneaky. One of the many things I don’t like about her.
DeletePlus Lynn I'd like to see Finn asking an important question - did you push him away? ð I don't know if Steffy would lie to him about this. But then again it's Steffy so who knows.
DeleteMilla, I commented on this exact thing below before I saw your comment here. Agreed! Steffy did not reject Liam’s advances nearly soon enough. She was kissing him too….until she thought about it. She still cares about Liam. But I will also admit that I think she loves Finn very much.
DeleteCorrection - I commented on this very thing above - not below.
DeleteLynn I also commented something really similar on the abuse topic as you but it is still in Bob's blocked queue ðð
DeleteMilla, I hate it when that happens.
DeleteHaha you and me both Lynn!!
DeleteYou act like Thomas kidnapped Beth etc. He didn’t know for a long time that she was Hope’s daughter. Zoe knew, Flo surely knew and oh the evil Dr Barnes knew but the only who gets called an abuser, evil etc is Thomas!! Zoe kept it quiet to protect her father! She prevented Flo, etc from saying anything because she didn’t want daddy to get in trouble. She and Flo both got free passes and full forgiveness. But Thomas must be hated in perpetuity!
DeleteBrooke would love to see Hope go after Finn just to hurt Steffy. So her daughter would win over Taylor’s daughter. Brooke hasn’t changed in that. She’s still vindictive and likes the hunt, the chase, the stealing a man from his wife. She just loves vicariously through Hope now.
BBFAN, Thomas was in love with Hope so his actions toward her are held to a different standard regarding her happiness (or torture) as was true over the loss of her daughter. It has already been brought up by others and myself that those other characters who were involved in the kidnapping are no longer on the show. We can only hold the people who are still on the show accountable. And the person who was in love with Hope chose to keep a secret that he knew full well was absolutely destroying her. So much so in fact, that Hope told her husband Liam to go be with Steffy because she couldn’t give him the family he deserved. Thomas took that information and used it as an opportunity to insert himself into her life. That is so sick and wrong on so many levels. But who even cares if the LF’s convince you ladies. Hope is soon to be moving away from Thomas and moving toward Finn. Just as long as she moves away from Thomas, I will be happy. ððŧððŧððŧ
DeleteI personally think Hope should just take some time to herself. But a little Hope / Finn flirtation will certainly be entertaining…..for me anyway.
Neither Flo nor Zoey nor anyone else went through the crazy abusive lengths Thomas went to keep Beth from her mom. We've been through this discussion and the whataboutism 100s of times by now. Do you guys really not get why Thomas is 10 times worse than those guys in the Beth story or you just enjoy repeating the same debate??
DeleteI will also be happy to see Hope move away from Thomas soon and one day wonder wtf was I thinking?! And on the flirt front, it would be soooo satisfying to see her think about Finn when with Thomas ðð
DeleteOh come on, Elle. Even the characters on the show tell Hope she should never be with Thomas because of everything he has done to her and her family with Liam. And keeping the fact that Beth, her daughter, was alive and being raised by Steffy so he could weasel his way into her life was absolutely horrific abuse!!! He was a total sicko!! Not to mention all his other plotting and scheming that has taken place over the years. Thomas had an evil heart. Does he still?? I think we will find out when Hope dumps him and that pushes him over the edge, yet again!!!
ReplyDeleteI am not saying that Thomas did not do horrible things. I am questioning his abuse against Hope. All I keep hearing is Hope is with her abuser. What I am not hearing is what abuse did Thomas level agaisnt Hope.
DeleteEvery time I ask that question (not just on this blog), it goes back to all the horrible things Thomas did. But all the things he did was not against Hope. So the statement that "Hope is with her abuser" is inaccurate, if you ask me. Hope is with a person who did horrible things might be more accurate.
DeleteSo what *would* qualify as an abuse to you? Hitting her? Many women would rather be hit by a man than have this man kidnap them to be away from their newborn. Or make them think she is dead. Okay you're right, it's not abuse. It's 10 times worse. There isn't a word for it.
DeleteI think it boils down to our perception of what abuse consists of. Did he ever beat Hope? Nope. Did his actions cause her to be mentally abused? Absolutely! And of course we all know that others were involved in the Beth secret. But if Thomas truly loved her like he says he always has, he never would have let her experience that pain. He was selfish and that’s not true love. That was mental abuse he allowed her to suffer so that he could be with the woman of his obsession.
DeleteLynn you wrote almost exactly what I said in a comment that got blocked....
DeleteI think we need to get a proper definition of what abuse is. Hope was in grief over the loss of her child. Is Thomas responsible for that grief? Yes, yes, many times yes! But did he cause her mental abuse? In what way? Did Hope know that Thomas had Beth hidden and because of his machinations, she could not get to her daughter? No. Did Thomas continually taunt Hope about her dead child knowing very well that Beth was alive? No.
DeleteBut anyway, see it as you wish. In my opinion, Thomas is guilty for a lot of things, but most certainly not abuse.
Liam emotionally abused Hope for years and so did Brooke! Brooke brow beat her daughter into staying in a toxic emotionally abusive relationship for years! Brooke pushed her minor daughter to sleep with a man in his 20’s. She pushed and undermined her confidence in herself and her ability to make decisions. All to further her own agenda.
DeleteHow about the abuse Brooke did to poor Douglas to cover up her loss with Deacon? Keeping him from his family, pressuring him to lie and hide what he saw. Gaslighting him, trying to make him think he saw Santa and not Deacon etc. But she mum and granny of the year!
How about the way Liam shouted at Hope and tormented her after Rome? That was abusive. The way he spent years controlling her, thinking for her etc. That is abusive. But you never had an issue with her being married to her abuser!
You have got to be kidding, BBFAN!!! The only one who abused Douglas was Thomas!!!! Even Douglas will tell you that himself. People in glass houses should think twice before throwing stones. Poor Douglas, that kid has been used and abused by his own dad (Thomas) on multiple occasions!!
DeleteAbsolutely. I still don't know where my previous comments went, but what you say about Douglas is 100% true Lynn. Nobody except Thomas used to scream at Douglas to keep his secrets and use an app to pretend his room is haunted. Abuse 101.
DeleteAnd Hope knew Liam’s heart had been pulled in multiple directions regarding Steffy. Hope chose to stay with Liam. While she may be complaining about Liam’s split heart now, she CHOSE to stay with Liam all those years. She did not choose to have Thomas lie to her about Beth.
DeleteAnother occasion where I simply can't believe you don't get it, but rather enjoy dragging the same old debate over and over.
DeleteMilla, 100% !!!!!
DeleteGood God.. !! I really hope Brook doesn't get any ideas and Steffy's husband and Hope ( New n improved Brook)
ReplyDeleteHas Eric's illness been diagnosed yet?
ReplyDeleteI am so behind... I'm trying to catch up ð♥️ðĪŠ thanks Bob yur the best
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