Ridge and Thomas moving back into Eric's is the rich people version of moving into your dad's garage. They overspent their allowances and can't afford Motel 6. Their trust funs are currently being syphoned by ex'es who have kept up THEIR extravagant lifestyles like Taylor buying a house for them. She really thinks he's not going to go back and forth between Brooke and herself. She believes Thomas has changed, has no idea he has he's gotten slicker in his nefarious deeds.
your comment makes no sense at all ridge is living with taylor at the beach house now he isn't staying with eric and every mother believes in there child no matter what they have done
Not to mention Taylor earned her own money and has a big stash from selling those properties to Bill!! OP makes no sense. We know why Thomas is living with Eric… btw, how is Hope and Liam living in the dingy cabin rent free any better?? They have lived off Brooke for years now. Thomas has no exes to pay. Caroline is dead. For sure Brooke got her grubby hands on millions from the Forrester and Spencer men, well all the Logan sisters did. Liam and Hope are trust fund brats too! At least Thomas loved in his own place. Paris has his old flat, remember his house fell through and she was already living there.
BBFan but the properties Taylor sold to Bill, were they originally bought by herself or Ridge? 🤔 btw I don't know why Thomas is living with Eric, I hear the good ol' cry "we are Forresters" but nothing more concrete as a reason. It's not like he can't afford his own place.
Lol Thomas talked about how all of the Forrester family had lived there at different times … Thomas Pheobe and Steffy spent summers there when they were Douglas’s age etc. playing in the grounds etc. Eric isn’t getting younger and he wanted Douglas to spend time with his great grandfather and it was a neutral place for Ridge to go spend time with him as well. It is after all the family home and where Ridge, Thorne, etc grew up.
As far as I know Taylor bought the beach house and the Bellaire mansion is where Taylor raised her children. Ridge loved there with her during their marriage. I’m not sure if they purchased it together or what. She sold it to Bill when she left to go do her Dr Without Borders service.
Finally Ridge mans up and tells her!!! He was spot on!!! She literally hates his son, always has. She wants to take his son away. She will always demand Ridge side with her against his own children like she always has.
That is toxic relationship move on. Like Elle said a while back, this has been brewing for years and all Thomas did was bring it to a head!
Good! Liam it’s always all Thomas’s fault 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Because you being the cheating idiot you are has NOTHING to do with anything you ever experienced! 🙄🙄🙄
But she's still don't listening, she can't understand 😂😂😂 she's like what about Thomas? Is not what Thomas did or not, is the way she consider her husband's son. In country they use to say if you can't help shut up.
I am also sorry for her, i can't see people crying 😂😂🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽.those writers are the worse, they write Flo redemption, whom has stole and sold a child but keep going with that bc Thomas psycho, just to picture the Logan better.
Bb, Miah, correct.. She has ALWAYS hated Thomas, before he was even born.. Simply because he was Taylor’s child with Ridge!! She will never ever accept Thomas, no matter what.. He could save her from a burning building, and she will still hate him.. And her reaction when Ridge said it is the way she hates on Thomas, said it all!! And her explanation, oh, I just said I had concerns about him, like it was no big deal.. it wasn’t just concerns, she manipulated, lied, threatened etc, and put Ridge under great pressure to side with her in getting Douglas back to the cabin.. And she is still confused?? even if the cps thing didn’t happen, she would still go after his blood till she got her way.. What does she expect.. If Ridge was doing that Hope, how would she react!! We all know the answer to that!! she has always demanded Ridge put her kids first, and now he is supporting his kids for a change, she can’t handle it!! She will never accept his kids.. She swore black and blue, that she would start supporting him to get him home, then did the opposite.. It’s always going to be what she wants first and foremost, and won’t stop till she gets it!!
We've seen Ridge turn against Hope when Deacon returned and he told her to leave the property. Brooke didn't like it one bit and told Ridge that Hope (and Liam) was not going anywhere because this was her house. Brooke wasn't having any of it. It therefore shouldn't be too difficult for her to understand a parent's love for their child. Whether she sees Thomas as crazy and obsessive shouldn't even be important. She should want to help her husband help his son and support him in that regard. And that's all Ridge was trying to tell her today.
Lest we forget Brooke dumped Ridge, fired him from Forrester and put him in jail for a murder her son Eric committed because he couldn’t stick his bratty younger brother. Her precious son so she should know what that is like for him to know she’s always hated his son!
Whenever things go wrong and nobody can figure out why, it's Thomas 😂 - that says it all. Hope where is all your attitude protecting Thomas now huh? Someone finally shut up when they hear the truth about Thomas, because someone saw it. Soon you'll be in for a rude final awakening.
Ridge you pathetic waste of skin. You'll be eating those papers soon, begging Brooke for forgiveness. Then I hope she's just as mute as you, turns around and kisses Bill.
@Milla As for Bill I know he wants Brooke really bad; he can barely control himself, BUT I hear Li is coming back soon so Bill may get torn between those two women himself.
Eh... I somehow don't think Li is a true competition for Bill's heart. The audience of soaps wants a couple with history and memories to root for. There may be something but I don't see Bill choosing Li to Brooke long-term.
I can't help but like Taylor, she's so grounded and even has a comic outlook on life ("who knows if he won't pull the old switcheroo all over again" 😅) plus she makes a point that the idiot's happiness is her priority (not that he deserves it) even if that involves Brooke who is very important to him. She's refreshingly realistic and in some ways I even don't miss all the angst of previous Taylor when it came to Brooke (although the catfights will be missed forever).
Milla, KA has really grown on me too! I don’t think anyone , no matter who they are, will ever fill HT shoes, because she made the character who it is over decades, but KA adds a lot humour to the dialogue which is badly needed through all the depressing and repetitive crap!! Also I thought she looked beautiful today, even that wig didn’t look half bad 🤣🤣
Oh absolutely no argument, HT is the One. But yes exactly the humor and also the unburdened self-confidence as in "whatever happens I'll be fine, I'm not clinging to Ridge" is also something good to see on the screen.
Thomas and Steffy are acting like two children who just bought mommy a present. That was not some big emergency that Taylor needed to frantically rush over for. They need to grow up. And Hope & Liam sound stupid too. Arguing about who influenced Ridge more, Steffy or Thomas. Thank you Katie for reminding them that Ridge is a grown man. Brooke should just take a nice vacation. Maybe take a cruise. Just get away from there for a while. 🌴
I wish Bill would give Brooke and Hope a job publishing Ion Fashion that Caroline had and let Forrester worry about their reviews for a while. Hope could write at statement in the magazine that she is no longer associated with Hope for the Future and tell Thomas' obsession and the fake CPS call is the reason why she and Brooke left the company. She could also mention that Ridge was cheating on Brooke with Taylor.
Why would she do that??? She was handed a fashion line as a teenager to get her away from the drugs she was popping and to keep her out of trouble. She literally does nothing most of the time. She’s no talent so Bill isn’t going to hire her.
Personal life and work are two different things. Thomas’s designs just saved HFTF and are making money for Forrester.
Did Hope publish her sleeping with Liam while he was married to his pregnant wife ? Or that she was pregnant from that affair?? Did she publish when her mum cheated on Ridge? Did Brooke get fired???
All Hope has to do to make the millions she is from HFTF, is say the four words she said on stage, which is her message, and give her 2 cents on the designs!! That’s it!! And boom, her bank balance sky rockets!!
BBfan101 the only reason Steffy ended up with Liam is because of her manipulations. Steffy and Liam had both signed annulment papers before Beth was conceived. When did Brooke cheat on Ridge? When Brooke was with Bill, she and Ridge were divorced. When the Deacon affair happened, Brooke was not married to Ridge. Ridge was married to Taylor. If you call kissing cheating, then Ridge has cheated on Brooke a lot. He is even doing it now with Dr. Quack-a-doodle-do. Steffy slept with a married Liam when her brother was making out with a mannequin. She has had to have paternity test for both of her children. Steffy also chased a married Bill while Bill was married to Katie. I am sure that Hope is not skill less. She has successfully run HFTF for years and it must be more successful than Steffy's panty line because we never hear about Steffy's line. Hope's drug addiction came when Amber was getting pills from Thomas' best bud Vinny and sending them to Hope and making it look like they came from Hope's doctor. Steffy had a drug addiction and she accepted pill from Vinny on her own. Why would Hope want to work be around an obsessed psycho like Thomas especially when she finds out about the CPS call? No only is he unhinged, but dangerous as well. He did chase Emma off the road and watched her die with a smear on his face. That is psycho behavior.
@Joy why in the world we don't see you more often here? 🤗🤗you have tons of interesting truths! I didn't know Hope also had a Vinny-Amber-facilitated drug addiction!
To be clear, Hope's shrink had stopped prescribing the pills for her and Hope, desperate to have more, went to Amber who told her that she could get the pills online. Because of who Hope is in the fashion industry, Amber agreed to order the pills for her. I can't remember Vinny being involved (not saying he wasn't) but, at the time, the show wanted to highlight the dangers of purchasing illegal drugs online.
Also, HFTF was not successfully run for years. During that time, the line took a hit because it's message became distorted. There may have been an attempt to revive it over the years but it fell flat. This recent preview is the first one in years and was Hope's attempt at reviving it once again.
@Elle why did young Hope need pills in the first place? Is being too rich, pretty and popular an illness? 😂 (I'm joking but really want to know the storyline)
Milla, this was after Liam and Steffy got married in Aspen the first time (think "gondola"). Eventually, Bill and Steffy's machinations were found out and Liam returned to Hope who decided to give her virginity to him while married (at Brooke's insistence. Brooke was involved in Liam and Hope's imminent sex life way too much. She even bought Hope the perfect lingerie for the occasion. Still gives me the heebie jeebies recalling it to memory.)
Anyway, to top it off, Hope moved in with Liam while awaiting Liam's marriage to Steffy to be annulled and they started going about in public like a true couple. One of her fans saw them together, took a photo and posted it on social media. Given who Hope is, the photo went viral pretty quickly and people started calling her out on being with a married Liam while promoting a fashion line that speaks to holding true to one's values and morals. The result? Her line was boycotted.
Hope could not handle the scrutiny and started becoming anxious and having panic attacks. Brooke supposedly took her to see a psychologist who prescribed pills for her (as far as I know, only psychiatrists can prescribe drugs but anyhoo) but Hope became dependent. The psychologist realized that Hope was starting to become dependent and she refused to prescribe anymore. Enter Amber.
Ironically, Hope's dependency problem, and a series of subsequent events, led to Liam realizing that he did not want to annul his marriage and so, he tore up the papers. Some of my favorite Steam moments. ❤️❤️
Thank you Elle!!! Joy that literally has nothing to do with Liam and Steffy’s 3rd marriage to each other!!! Years later! Hope was no where in the picture. She chose time and again not to be with Liam because she wanted a perfect relationship or none at all.
Liam was devastated when Steffy married Wyatt and fought to get her back. Remember him walking around Monaco and SC actually sang the song for the scenes.
Liam and Steffy were remarried in Australia. There was no lies, no trickery nothing wrong at all. They were mad in love and had years together after that happily living as a couple!!!
Steffy chasing Bill happened when she was a teenager! She was a child herself and NEVER slept with him. He wanted to leave Katie and she used her medical condition to guilt him into staying with her. Steffy grew up and moved on.
Hope met Liam as a very pampered, immature teenager who thought she was a Disney Princess with her Prince Charming.
She wanted a picture perfect relationship blah blah, to play house etc. Anything not to be like Brooke.
Hope broke off her own engagement! Then when Liam fell deeply in love with a woman, not an immature child like Hope, she wanted him back! Liam chose to marry Steffy, he wanted to marry her. Hope was prevented from stopping that and her fans will never forgive Steffy for that. Bill helped Steffy because he saw how good she and Liam were together, happy, in love and drama free. Hope was a whiny child and Bill didn’t want his son stuck in a doomed relationship.
I love LFs act like Steffy was chasing Bill while married to Liam, NEVER happened! She loved her husband! Was she devastated when Liam admitted that he made out with Sally the Younger? Yes, she could forgive it because they were trapped and dying and Sally kissed Liam. However his telling her that oh then I kissed her again and then later again… that hurt his wife deeply. He betrayed her.
She took space at her grandfather’s guest house. She wanted to be ALONE and told no one where she was.
Bill stalked her and was relentless… she told him to leave over and over. He shoved his way in the door ffs… wouldn’t take no for an answer. The guy spent hours telling his DIL that his SON didn’t deserve her etc while plying her with booze. She trusted her FIL and long time friend.
Bill wanted her for himself! He was obsessed with her! Steffy was horrified after it happened and wanted nothing to do with Bill. She wasn’t having an ongoing affair etc.
But unlike Hope and Brooke who both cheated on their husbands, Steffy can’t be forgiven!!
Yes BTW Brooke did sleep around on Ridge with Thorne and Nick, his brothers!! Brooke also slept with Ridge while married to his father Eric and tried to pass Bridget off as his. She lied and said she hadn’t been sleeping with Eric which which was completely untrue. Brooke pursued Ridge relentlessly.
Hope actually pursued Liam every time he was married to Steffy. She slept with him and lived with him and did everything she could to break up his marriages. LFs rationalize all of this because Hope saw him first!! Really???
Again with Mannequingate, I’m sick of LFs making out like Steffy went after Liam and just slept him. NEVER happened! Steffy was happy with Finn after being a single mum by choice (remember she put her ring on Hope’s finger and told the pregnant slag, who had an affair with Liam.. who threw herself at a married man with a pregnant wife her ENTIRE pregnancy… that she was done). Steffy chose not to put Kelly through what she and her siblings lived through and her mum went through because of Brooke! Steffy was in a good place after rehab and moving forward in her life. She has a wonder man who loves only her.
Liam RAN to Steffy. He didn’t confront Thomas or Hope. He made NO effort to find out what was going on. He believed with no difficulty that Hope would cheat on him. Why??? Because she cheated WITH him so many times! She slept with Liam while married to his Brother Wyatt and while Liam was married to Steffy all three times and during their engagement after.
Steffy told Liam over and over there was an explanation, his wife wouldn’t do that etc. Go talk to Hope blah blah! Instead Liam drank himself silly, and slept with Steffy. Yet Steffy is painted as pursuing Liam etc etc. Not true.
Liam did that with Hope, he had forgiven Steffy for cheating on him, made a grande gesture with all the roses and card’s telling Steffy he loved and forgave her and was coming home.
Bill staged the fake romantic evening at the office and lied to Liam’s face that he and Steffy were having an ongoing affair. So Liam turned to Hope and slept with her. He did what Ridge is doing to Brooke telling her she knew what she did which was??? Oh yeah buying the cliff house from Bill. Telling Bill she loved and was committed to his son. Again not a peep about Hope sleeping with Liam or hey LIAM having culpability for cheating on his wife… ever. Liam is a huge cheat! But it’s always Steffy’s fault.
I do blame Hope because she was actively pursuing Liam. She made out with him, told him to leave his wife, that she came back only for him etc. Hope willingly slept with a married Liam because she wanted him. Yet no one ever says bad Hope. It’s all Steffy is a slut 🙄🙄🙄🙄.
We have to hear daily that Brooke who has slept with so many married men deserves her happily ever after with Ridge. How Hope who also chose to carry on affairs with Liam every time he was married to Steffy and cheated with him while she herself was married to his brother, has a marriage that is sacrosanct.
And Steffy who made 2 mistakes is forever a slut, unforgivable etc. WTF??? Totally hypocritical!
By the way how is sleeping with Bill any worse that Hope sleeping with Wyatt’s brother? Or Brooke sleeping with Eric’s son? Or Ridge’s two brothers? Or two of her daughter Bridget’s husbands??? Or her sister Katie’s husband Bill?? Brooke and Hope both had ongoing affairs and Steffy 2 one offs!! But it’s all Steffy blah blah.
How do we applaud the Logan’s??? I mean Donna is still having an affair with a married Eric who she cheated on when she was married to him! Katie tried to have an affair with Eric while he was married to Quinn and he turned her down.
Steffy and the gondola incident, which by the way was her preventing Hope from interfering with her relationship ( love how that is Never Ever acknowledged) after ending her own with Liam. Hope broke her own engagement which as teen she was much to young to be in at all! Hope chose that then changed her mind when Liam moved on. She wasn’t entitled to blow his life apart but of course Brooke was pushing destiny on her mini me.
Again LFs make every excuse in the book for Logans who do far worse.
Bravo, Bbfan, and Elle!! 💯 correct!! And it’s ironic, because we are told that we lie and twist the truth?? Anyone can go back and watch all of that, and will see it’s 💯 truth!!
When Ridge finds out what his monster of a son did and comes crawling back to Brooke, I hope she tells him to go slurp noodles with his Dr. Quack-a-doodle-doo and moves on with Bill. Let him be miserable with his Tridge mafia for a while.
I've been hearing for a while now (ad nauseum) that Ridge will go back to Brooke to beg for her forgiveness when Thomas' scheme is found out. Why would he return to the woman who cannot stand his son? Do you think he will leave his family when his son needs them most?
Elle, both Taylor and Ridge have failed Thomas by covering for him and not getting him professional help. Taylor has not helped Thomas at all. Thomas needs in a mental treatment program. Thomas may even be a psychopath that cannot be helped. Brooke has every right to not trust Thomas after the crazy things that he has done to her and her family in the past. He was willing to lie about having sex with her for Stephanie's share of stock in Forrester Creations. Thomas not only sat Rick's house on fire but blew up Rick's car as well. Thomas and Steffy tried to get an underaged Hope drunk so Thomas could take advantage of her. Brooke knows that Thomas has not changed, and she has a right to not trust him.
I'm not against Brooke not trusting Thomas however, as her husband's son, she should also be willing to help. If she is so convinced that Thomas might still have mental issues, why is she fighting her husband? Unless, she doesn't want to see Thomas get well. And that's what Ridge was trying to tell her, that they both want different things where his son is concerned. Ridge wants to see him get well and Brooke does not. Ridge wants to see Thomas be a good father to Douglas, Brooke wants to call CPS. Why would Ridge want to return to that?
Elle, she has helped Thomas in the past. He stayed at her house after his operation. Brooke tried to get Ridge to get help for Thomas before, but Ridge will not admit that Thomas has a problem. Ridge is in denial right now about Thomas. Ridge knows about Thomas keeping Sheila's secret and he and Taylor are covering it up. Ridge knew about Thomas chasing Emma to her death and not calling for help. Ridge made a deal to drop charges against Flo to keep her quiet. Again, he covered for Thomas. Thomas cannot be helped until Ridge and Taylor admits that he needs professional help and Taylor should not be the one giving him that help. Doctors do not treat family members. They may even have to realize that Thomas is a psycho and cannot be helped.
@Elle I'm watching now the episodes with the debacle around Zoey where Ridge (with the face of eating a frog) literally said to Brooke "you were right all along about Thomas"... So he knows the drill 😅😂
But I agree with you that Brooke's approach to Thomas should be more constructive, she should offer to help once it is revealed he is not okay. The thing is - Ridge (and Taylor, Steffy) shouldn't bury their heads in the sand and deny anything is wrong. They also shouldn't just send him on his marry way to drive along the coast and think about what he did 😅 they should get him professional help. Real one.
@Joy Ridge practically had to beg Brooke to let Thomas recover from his surgery at their home. She was not willing to extend a helping hand.
Ridge knows the depth of his son's disturbance but he is choosing to believe that he is better because it's what he desperately wants for him. Not a wise move but if Thomas has really regressed (I'm not convinced he has), then let's hope that Ridge seeks to get him professional help this time.
Steffy isn’t hiding !! She called Thomas out at the office last week and told him that she didn’t like what she was seeing and that he couldn’t go backwards to his obsession with Hope.
Brooke didn’t want Ridge to get him help, she wanted him out of his life forever.
By the way, speaking of Emma, Brooke not only covered up her son Rick shooting and killing her husband, she had Ridge go to prison for it!! So she has literally no room to talk there! She couldn’t forgive Ridge for not siding with Rick blah blah.
Yet has no understanding of how her perpetual hatred of his son, literally before his birth, affected their marriage.
Elle that’s true, Brooke did not want Thomas staying there at all!! That shows exactly how much she hates him.. He had MAJOR brain surgery.. And all Ridge asked, was to let him stay while he recovered, and she did not even want to do that, nevermind anything else.. Like Ridge said, she can’t even find the smallest little place in her heart for his son, nevermind anything else.. And, yes, Steffy did pull Thomas up and spoke to him.. They are not being completely bling and niave.. Brooke has done nothing but lie constantly throughout their relationships, so it would be understandable that Ridge Ridge would not believe her, when she blatantly threatened his son to call cps.. That’s not just a little threat.. That’s a major threat to make.. You can’t just say, oh but she was just wort and said it out of frustration or anger.. it was purposeful to make a very clear statement about how far she would go against his son.. And Thomas had done nothing at that stage, to warrant such a threat!! So Brooke will never accept Thomas, never mind help him..
How about actually getting the man help, real help, independent of Brooke?! Ridge needs zero agreement or anything from Brooke to do that. But no, it's much easier to make it all about Brooke and you guys are the same. If Thomas was properly treated - of health issue, of mental condition or of just psychopathic tendencies, all of this would be moot. But you are the same - any chance to hate Brooke, I honestly believe this hate of Brooke (and anything related to her) is such a major thing for you you don't see any other way things should have gone in people's lives that doesn't depend on her. Sad.
Ridge can indeed get help for Thomas but what I was explaining is that, as his wife, he also expects support from Brooke. The only thing I would say she does wrong is constantly fighting him on Thomas. At some point, she needs to find a middle ground. If she does that then maybe Ridge would be more open to hear what she has to say. Constantly attacking Thomas will obviously put Ridge in defense mode.
Again, Ridge as a father needs nothing, nothing from Brooke in order to help Thomas. No arguments, no support, no what she has to say, no defense mode, no middle ground, no nothing. It is his child. Instead of putting it on Brooke, he should just be a father. If he did that, nobody would stop him.
Noone would stop Ridge for sure, but the attacks will still come from his wife. So it's either they agree to disagree about his son or Brooke let's up, have an open mind and meet him halfway. It makes no sense Ridge doing what he has to do and there is still distrust from Brooke.
What attacks? If Thomas is in therapy, there won't even be interactions between them to "attack". If the treatment is successfully and he's acting normal (like after his surgery), there won't be "attacks" either.
For goodness sakes Liam, soon your gonna start blaming Thomas for the traffic jams or the bad weather.. How stupid to say when ever anything goes wrong and you can’t figure it out, then it’s Thomas.. That wins the dumbest most idiotic line of the day!! I have to say, despite how I feel about Brooke, the way Ridge grabbed the pen, and gave hope to Brooke, only to hand it to her, that was just cruel.. what a twat he is!!
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS WRONG WITH RIDGE WAIT UNTIL HE FINDS OUT THOMAS WAS IN BEHIND THIS CONFUSION BETWEEN HIM& BROOKE IN THE FIRST PLACE THOMAS IS A WRECK ALL BY HIMSELF WAITING TO HAPPEN EVEN TRYING TO FORCE A KISS ON HOPE AFTER THE FORRESTERS SHOW HE IS GOING BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARD WITH HIS ON& OFF OBSESSION FOR HOPE NOT PAYING ATTENTION NOR ..RESPECT THAT HOPE IS ALREADY MARRIED WHAT HE ALWAYS WANT IS ALWAYS WHAT R SHOULD I SAY WHO HE CANNOT HAVE
if someone was clearly targeting my marriage in the way Ridges family are I would have had so much to say than Brooke has! She has behaved with dignity even when she has known what has been happening with the brats he calls his children. They have sabotaged their parents in such different ways and when the truth comes out these two and their mother are going to be devastated...and it totally serves them right, all 3 of them. I sincerely hope that Brooke walks away from them all. You would think the idiot that is Ridge would have learnt by now how clearly Brooke sees through Thomas`s evilness. She`s usually the only one that can until it`s too late and here she is correct again! Colly you talk about Liam blaming Thomas for everything that is going on with him and Hope and his mistrust of Thomas in general, we are talking about the person who only the night before came onto his wife and tried to kiss her, a married woman that he is obsessed with. Liam needs to stand up to Thomas and tell him that now the show is over, Hope will be spending much more time at home with him and their daughter and that Douglas will be spending more time at the cabin. He`s totally fed up with the way Thomas manipulates Hope, at least now Hope has her guard up and can see where Thomas actually stands with her and is aware of his bs he has been feeding her.
So true, Maur. Before the attempted kiss, Hope was pretty loudly defending the fact that she was seeing a “changed Thomas.” But now she knows he is still thinking about her in a romantic way, so she can’t possibly say anything other than…”I will have my guard up, Liam.” To say anything less would be totally hypocritical. But Hope keeping the secret is protecting Thomas when he has no right to be protected. And she is not being honest with Liam, and that’s definitely not cool either!
How is Thomas manipulating Hope exactly? He has been very direct about how he feels about her, no manipulation needed.
And if Liam wants to stand up to Thomas, he can stand up to him about his wife spending more time at home with him and their daughter but Douglas? Thomas is Douglas' father and Douglas wants to stay with his dad at the mansion. Liam has no say.
I can’t weigh in on how “Hope and Brooke targeted Steffy’s marriage to Liam” because I wasn’t watching then. But I can say that my take on how it went down would most likely be very different than the way the FF’s say it happened. Lol
Thomas has been manipulating Hope by taking Douglas and not allowing him to return to Hope's home. That way, if Hope wants to see Douglas. she has to go to Eric's and be around Thomas. Steffy's marriage was not targeted. Steffy blew up her own marriage by sleeping with her father-in-law.
But Colly the line is pure truth 😅 especially now! It is literally what is happening - things go wrong and nobody knows why because it's Thomas 😂 Liam will give himself "clairvoyant of the year" award when it comes out what Thomas did!
Plus I believe he's referring to that time Steffy gave him an out of the blue kiss and he couldn't for the life of him figure out how Hope showed up that exact second. Only after to find out it was of course Thomas orchestrating it all like a beautiful unhinged puppetmast er 😅 I'm watching those episodes now for the first time and many things become clear...
@Joy Douglas wanted to spend more time with his dad and Thomas had a conversation with Hope about it. Douglas also enjoys spending time at the mansion and wanted to stay. Thomas again spoke to Hope about it and also invited her to come and see for herself, which she did. There was no manipulation. Once Hope saw that Thomas was telling the truth (I remember her crying to Liam about feeling like she is losing her son), she, of her own accord, would pay daily visits to Eric's and even started spending nights there. This was not on account of any manipulation on Thomas' part but by Hope's own free will. She would even take Beth with her. To say that Thomas manipulated the situation is not true since we saw everything played out onscreen as to how it happened. Thomas' non-supporters choosing to see it as manipulation doesn't make it so.
Thomas is literally manipulating everyone and everything at the moment. He has convinced his father that he is the victim of Brooke making the call to CPS. Thomas has also manipulated Ridge into wanting to divorce Brooke so he would reunite with Taylor. He is manipulating Hope by pretending to be this changed man and great dad…when clearly he isn’t. He is also manipulating Hope by telling her he made a mistake by trying to kiss her, and that it will not happen again. And we all know he is in fact clearly obsessed with her. The list of people he isn’t manipulating at the moment is shorter than the list of people he is! He’s literally manipulating pretty much everyone in his orbit!! How can you even make the statement above with any seriousness??
Elle, when Hope was crying and said that, Liam had just asked her what’s wrong, and he asked if it was Thomas, and she specifically said no, it was nothing to do with Thomas, and it was Douglas, and how Happy he is there and then she said she feels like she is losing her son.. it was NOTHING to do with anything to do with Thomas!! When Thomas first took Douglas, it was because he wanted to step up and be the father that Douglas wanted him to be and deserved.. There was NO manipulation by Thomas.. The reason Thomas first invited Hope to go there was so she could see for herself, that he wasn’t manipulating Douglas or the situation.. She did go, and she saw Thomas was correct, and that’s why she cried and said what she did.. There was NO manipulation, still is no manipulation where that is concerned.. Has Thomas told Hope he will always love her, yes, is that a crime , no.. Did he try to kiss her , yes, is that a crime, no.. Every character on the show has tried to kiss a married person, so that means everyone is psycho , according to the “LF logic”.. Thomas has also not manipulated anything where the HFTF line is concerned either.. He was lead designer, he did what he was supposed to do, so how is that manipulating Hope exactly?? The only manipulation Thomas has done, was the cost call, which had nothing to do with Hope!! And even then, was it wrong and manipulative, yes, but, almost every character on the show has done the same and worse, especially Brooke!!
@Lynn My response was specific to Maur's and Joy's comments that Thomas is manipulating Hope. It was not about anyone else.
Regarding the kiss that Maur spoke about, I reiterate that there was no manipulation there because Thomas has been very open with Hope about how he feels about her. There was no trickery or deceit involved when he attempted to kiss Hope. She did not even look shocked by it because she knows how Thomas feels.
Regarding Joy's comment about Thomas using Douglas to manipulate Hope, I again reiterate that there was no manipulation there either because Douglas was the one who wanted to spend more time with his dad. When Thomas spoke to Hope about it, she approved. When she questioned Thomas about keeping Douglas for so long, they had another conversation where he indicated that Douglas was the one who wanted to stay. He even invited her over to Eric's so she could see for herself. When she visited, she saw that Thomas was telling the truth and it made her sad that Douglas did not want to return to the cabin. Again, there was no trickery or deceit involved. Everything Hope did after that (daily visits, spending nights) was of her own free will.
I agree that Thomas is being manipulative in certain circumstances but not regarding what I responded to above.
There is zero reason Brooke should trust or support Thomas. He has done everything to justify her feelings about him!!! Maybe Ridge should support his wife instead of his sick-in-the-head son!!! The bottom line is this….Brooke is right about Thomas! And spoiled brat, entitled, conniving Thomas needs actual mental health help!!! You should have stood by your wife Ridge. And when the truth comes out - you will realize that once again!!!
Ridge downing Brooke for never giving Thomas a chance. When did Thomas ever give Brooke a chance? He has always been an ass to her, so you are right Lynn, there's never been a reason for Brooke to trust Thomas. I just pray that by the time the truth comes out, Brooke is over ridge. I can't deal with their love anymore 😂 It's boring and stale. I'm so over hope, liam, steffy and Thomas too. Please, for the love of God, move them all to the back burner for awhile and let some other actors have some screen time ! I've seen enough of the 4 of them to last me a lifetime!!!!
Thomas could be a raging lunatic and Ridge will stand by him because he is his son. To suggest that Ridge should not support his son is saying that a father should turn his back on his flesh and blood just because his behaviour isn't perfect.
Hilary, yes, for sure. I wish we could move on from the current events. Same thing day after day. 😞😞😞 And just when we think there is going to be a big reveal - nope! The show moves slower than prime time traffic in California! 🙄🙄🙄
Standing behind (supporting) bad behavior from your child does not make you a good parent. Parents who hold their children accountable are good parents!!
But by the LF's own utterances, Thomas isn't just displaying bad behaviour, he is mental, cuckoo for cocoa puffs, crazy, obsessive and has mental issues. A parent should not turn his/her back on a child who has psychological issues.
Agreed. I posted another comment a bit earlier that he needs to be put into an inpatient mental health facility to deal with his psychological issues. Not just some feel good chats with psychiatrist mommy (who lacks all credibility in my opinion.) He hasn’t changed. So he needs more intensive treatment.
I just can believe some of your comments. We always say that the parents love is unconditional.... I feel just unarmed in front of some comments here, asking a father to turn his back on his son , to be with a woman....a woman that can leave him for another man or fall in Love harder for someone else 🤔🤔🤔 I wanted to comment, but I can't i can't comment that....love the character of Thomas or not...you can't ask his father to turn his back on him just be with Brooke. Maybe the genius writers need to write another Brooke, a Brooke that's acknowledge that she's in love with a man whom has a problematic grown child. If she can't help, or doesn't want to help, she need to shut up. Brooke "I can't love him like do Ridge". Brooke 's words. I don't think that Ridge was asking to love him. We all agree that the CPS thing is wrong, still doesn't make Brooke better, she hates her husband's son.
I need to stop watching that crap, I am tired of it.
The real turning his back on Thomas Ridge has done every time he closed his eyes for his problems and blaming others for pointing them. Standing by his son is not what he's doing now - pretending - but getting him help. All Brooke ever wanted from Ridge was to admit that Thomas is not okay and get him help. But Ridge sees this as a failure, he much prefers to gaslight her, put it back on her instead of taking care of his child.
And he always does that, his first impulse when someone points out his children are unwell is to gaslight, to blame. It was the same when Liam took Kelly when Steffy was addicted. It took Steffy literally pointing a knife at them for him to wake up, before that he was yelling at them to return the girl to Steffy.
But Milla, Ridge did admit to Brooke that she was right and that Thomas was not okay. However, the tumor he had, which it was determined was the direct cause of his behavior, changed things. It made Thomas' problems a medical one and not a psychological one. So, in all fairness, Ridge has no reason to think that Thomas is mental. Does Thomas get up to no good at times? Sure. It doesn't however, reflect a mental or psychological issue, just a behavioral one. He's is bad-behaved, not crazy.
@Elle that's for the (fictional) psychologists to diagnose now, not us. But if he's just evil, that's in some ways even worse. How do you heal that? 😅 Then Ridge cannot do anything to help him and just has to admit he has a bad kid, he can't "hide" behind a health issue out of Thomas (and his) control.
Although when I think about it, I don't believe there are purely evil people (or very few and Thomas isn't one). Therapy should be able to help a lot of his issues which manifest as evil. But someone has to admit that and provide it to him.
Oh yeah! Evil is a horse of a different color altogether! 🐴 I don't believe that Thomas is evil. Sheila is definitely evil. Her brain works in a completely illogical way. With Thomas, there's a method to his madness. 😂😂
Sheila had a method to her madness too. That’s why she’s still alive and has successfully escaped prison. I think Sheila and Thomas are both pretty evil. Neither one of them have regrets and can justify just about anything. Feeling no empathy or remorse makes a person a sociopath. I think both of them fall into that category. Although Sheila’s deeds should have put her away in prison for decades. Thomas may be able to be saved with intensive therapy, but no ‘feel good talks’ from fake psychiatrist mommy Taylor. That obviously did NO GOOD the first time.
🤣🤣🤣 so true!! Thomas has shown nothing but good, up to the cps thing, and no one can deny that, Since his surgery, he has been great.. But despite the cps thing , I would not say he is “psycho or evil”, as many characters on this show have done many manipulative things similar and way worse.. So to say Thomas is pure evil based on his past which actually WAS a medical issue, is completely unfair.. Many characters have tried to kiss married people, Brooks being the biggest culprit for that kind of behaviour, but again, that is not an evil act.. inappropriate, yes, evil no, or otherwise pretty much every character is “evil” then 🤣🤣🤣 The cps call, wrong , yes, manipulative, yes, but you only have to look at most of Bills actions, which have been faaaar worse , to say that Thomas is “evil” and psychotic, no.. He has not shown any true, “psychotic” or “evil” behaviour as of yet.. When Hope pushed Thomas into the VAT of acid, and thought she killed him, and her and Brooke kept it secret and Brooke even went to the lengths to tell Ridge he did the runner and deserted his son, and they both would have lied to Ridge for the rest of their lives to protect Hope from prison, was that as bad as the cps thing? When Brooke pushed Thomas off the cliff, and lied, till Thomas regained consciousness and then HE covered her ass for her, was Brooke evil, was Thomas evil for letting her off the hook?? So I think it an unfair statement to say he is evil or psychotic..
Miah, I agree love.. No matter what the situation, no parent should turn their back on their child for another woman who is not their mother.. If it were RJ, would Brooke be happy if Ridge turned his back on him because of Taylor?? I think NOT!! Any parent who would turn their back on their own child for any reason at all, would be questionable in my view.. And a massive part of the reason Thomas has issues, is because he watched his father hurt his mother for Brooke time and again.. That does not excuse what Thomas did, at all.. But to say he should turn his back on him, for Brooke, no way is that fair, considering she is not blameless in all of this..
Thomas has done many, many evil things - and he did them well before any brain injury! And he has continued to do evil things after he’s been healed from his ‘brain injury.’ The only whacked out thing he did as a result of the brain injury was have an affair with a mannequin. And that wouldn’t even be considered evil. That would simply be considered crazy! All the Logan fans have listed incident after incident over many years that Thomas has acted in an evil way. Why do we always go back to the mannequin ordeal??? The Logan fans don’t even bring that up as an example when we discuss evil Thomas. And that was an issue for a few months at best! We are talking about literally everything else that Thomas has done over the years that had NOTHING to do with any brain injury!
Colly I very recently watched the episodes you mention with the acid and can set the record straight again - they hid it from Ridge for one night, then Brooke was on her way to tell him. When she did, even though Thomas was fine (teaching Hope a lesson wtf 🤦🏻♀️), Ridge left her so she was well punished for that one night she and Hope kept silent.
And his family believed twice that he "had changed" between Beth and his wedding to Zoey and between that and the mannequin. It was very short time between all these events and he got no therapy. Like I said, we don't know to what extent it is mental and to what he's just malicious, that's for professionals to establish. But he needs help. No back turning (whatever you FFs mean with that, I can only assume has sth to do with Brooke because it's always about her), attention, therapy, care. Nothing to do with Brooke, and everything to do with their family. Or is the Forrester cry only good to show superiority?
I'm saying this referring to the future, I know that as per Ridge right now Thomas is well, but when Ridge does realize all Thomas has done (and I bet he'll do more by then) they should have him examined.
Exactly milla brook was so so wrong to advise hope not to tell ridge But hope was devastated and crushed with remorse something thomas never had with all of his crimes
Loved seeing Taylor today. She looked quite lovely. I'm also glad she sees things a lot more clearly than Thomas and Steffy do. She knows what Brooke means to Ridge and knows there's a real possibility that he can return to Brooke at any time. Kudos to her. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
She says that - but if Ridge actually returned to Brooke, it would break Taylor in half!!! Hated Taylor’s pants. They looked cheap - like she bought them at Target. Lol
Ridge made it very clear how much he loves Brooke and envisioned spending the rest of his life with her. Anyone who thinks this whole annulment has anything to do with anything other than the CPS call is crazy! It is 100% the CPS call that brought this on.
He has always told Brooke that he loves her but even before the CPS call, he was pulling away from Brooke. The CPS call just tipped the scale for him in terms of all the things he could no longer tolerate with her.
They had gone through some challenges. But they were working through them. I don’t believe he was pulling away before the CPS call…in his mind anyway. But I do agree he was displaying completely unacceptable behavior with Taylor before the CPS call. He is an ego maniac who was getting his giant ego stroked by two beautiful women. And he was clearly fine with that. But I don’t believe he had any intention of ending his marriage to Brooke before the fake call happened.
At this point I think he is having to convince himself to want to be with Taylor, because he thinks “it’s best”. But if Taylor doesn’t truly have his heart (and I am convinced she does not), then Taylor is still runner up. When this comes out - he will rush to get Brooke back. And if he genuinely wanted to be with Taylor for all the right reasons, then he would not rush back to Brooke. He would simply apologize to Brooke for Thomas’s horrible behavior, but he would stay with Taylor. I don’t think it will play out that way. My guess is, he goes straight back to Brooke and begs her to take him back.
I don't think I've ever seen Ridge beg. That will be a first for sure!
Who knows what's in Ridge's mind? He moved out of Brooke's after the Deacon thing then moved back in but hardly spent any time at the house or with his wife. He needed alone time to think and even after moving back in with Brooke, wanted to think some more. I don't know if I can say with surety that he would not have left Brooke. Ridge surely loves her but love is not always enough.
I agree that love isn’t always enough. But I think he enjoys Brooke beyond just his love for her. I think she brings some excitement that Taylor may not bring. I like Taylor a bit more than I used to because she acts less dingy these days. I think less is more when it comes to Taylor. She is fine in small doses. I don’t think Ridge and Taylor should have been shacking up when he was still married to Brooke. And I think it makes her look just as bad as you ladies say Brooke is when she has “broken up marriages.” Ridge is way, way too needy. He is a bed hopper and the biggest slut of all!! I read that he and Taylor are gonna start planning their wedding. The ink won’t even be dry on the annulment papers before Ridge and Taylor are walking down the aisle. I also read that Thomas is gonna double down on his bad behavior. So it’s most likely gonna get worse before things get better. But I’ve learned not to put too much stock in the spoilers.
@Elle after Ridge dumped Taylor after she came back from the dead (round 2) he did tons of begging, even after Brooke left him at the altar for Nick, he continued. And that's just off the top of my head of his begging. It's really satisfying to watch so one doesn't forget it 😂 it was more satisfying with RM because he was more coherent, but this Ridge also does a good begging (wasn't on his knees but after the Shauna marriage he was professing to Brooke how she's the love of his life, how nothing makes sense without her, to please not give up on them because they belong together; she was resisting at first but he wore her down 😂)
@Lynn I don't think they should be shacking up either. I've said it before that Taylor should have waited till they got a divorce before even agreeing to be with Ridge.
I also think that both ladies bring different things to Ridge's life, things that he enjoys. You can see that he also enjoys spending time with Taylor. Her practicality and seeing things as they are is refreshing for him. She's under no delusions when it comes to Ridge and Brooke. He also enjoys her sense of humor and the time they spend together is quite calming for him. He has told her that she grounds him. So I think he enjoys spending time with them both. They just bring different things to the table.
@Milla I should have specified TK's Ridge. 😂 I cannot see this current Ridge begging just because of how he is. And I don't remember him begging Brooke after the Shauna thing. It was the other way around. He had no memory of what happened but decided to honor the marriage anyway. Brooke kept pleading with him about dissolving the marriage because it was not right and they belonged together and why did he tell Carter to file the papers. She went on and on and even went to Bill about it. It was through Bill's efforts, since he knew someone at the courts, that they found out that Carter did not actually file the papers. Once Ridge's marriage to Shauna was deemed invalid, Ridge and Brooke reunited. No begging or anything.
I just watched it yesterday, so yes there was begging, stretching over 2 episodes 😅 8338-8339 and what Ridge was saying quote: "I'll be yours until the day I die. Help me. Help me turn this thing around. I can't let you go. I'm gonna tell you for the rest of our lives every day that you're the only woman for me. Please forgive me." Brooke kept saying that he divorced her, she can't trust him, there is no "us" etc but he kept insisting he's not letting her go.
There were even some funny moments: "It's not a small thing. It's always big and scary with us. There was nothing bigger and scarier than my mom. She was terrifying wasn't she?" "I'm gonna go sit on some rock and wait until you want me back."
I can see the writers taking lines from that speech for his next realization 😅He even said "look at the time we lost because I was wrong about Thomas." Copy, paste, done 😂
Elle, I agree, we all said Taylor should not have accepted Ridge back until he was divorced and was sure that his reasons for wanting her back were clear.. And I think Taylor brings to Ridge what he can’t get from Brooke and vice versa.. It’s pretty sad when you think of it that way, that it takes two woman to fulfil one mans needs!! Says a lot about Ridge 🤣🤣🤣
I'm beginning to wonder if the wardrobe department is responsible or whether the actress has begun dressing herself. She has been looking quite lovely for some time now and it was a sudden and drastic change from how she was dressed before.
Aaaah would you just spit it out Croaks - Tell Brooke about WHY you've ended things, please - stop dragging this out any longer!
Taylor's sixth sense is spot on - She's wary of this sudden change in Ridge and I too am worried that this Ridge/ Taylor reunion is going to be short-lived. There definitely needs to be another love interest for Taylor, she deserves better.
I do feel this Ridge/ Brooke love affair is set in stone as per the writers and well it's pretty much: wash, rinse, repeat - There's always going to be some or other stumbling block between those two and they will eventually reunite, hence the need for another love interest for Taylor. I could be wrong... let's see how it plays out, this time around.
Well said Lutfiyya. I'm glad that Taylor has her eyes opened. She, more than anyone, knows how fickle Ridge can be.
The CPS reveal will have a definite impact but I'm not convinced that Ridge will go running back to Brooke, mainly because prior to CPS, he had already been thinking about whether he should stay with Brooke or not. He even told her that they would never agree about Thomas. Her distrust and more so, her hatred of Thomas, is a big deal for Ridge. Even despite Thomas calling CPS, Brooke was not blameless. She provoked him and threatened to take away his son and Ridge might not be accepting of that.
Elle, that’s what was thinking, that, the threat to call cps to Ridges face, shows him how much hatred she has for his son, and how far she would go to get her way.. That threat is not just a little threat said out of frustration.. that was a serious threat, that could have potentially taken his son away from him.. If she did go through with it, it would have been an unforgivable act.. And she is not blameless, she did provoke him, and he retaliated.. That does not mean it wasn’t wrong, not by a far stretch, but she she has been at him relentlessly, and I don’t believe he would have done that unprovoked..
Or better still, push him out of your life entirely and go be with a real man. Two or more men are crazy about you, you don`t need the egomaniac that is Ridge in your life in order to be happy. As for Thomas, he needs URGENT mental care. He`s a danger to anyone he doesn`t care for, but Brooke, Hope, Beth and Liam.
For the one who always bring up false information about hooe sleeping with wayyat and liam at the same time This information is sooooo wrong What hope did was totally wrong dating 2 guys But when she did that she stopped sleeping with wayyat coz she was only sleeping with him at that time But yeah she was making out with both which already wrong and not her But them she chose liam over wayyat And she never cheated on liam with wayyat or the opposite And yeah she slept with two brothers but thats all in her history
Ridge and Thomas moving back into Eric's is the rich people version of moving into your dad's garage. They overspent their allowances and can't afford Motel 6. Their trust funs are currently being syphoned by ex'es who have kept up THEIR extravagant lifestyles like Taylor buying a house for them. She really thinks he's not going to go back and forth between Brooke and herself. She believes Thomas has changed, has no idea he has he's gotten slicker in his nefarious deeds.
ReplyDeleteyour comment makes no sense at all ridge is living with taylor at the beach house now he isn't staying with eric and every mother believes in there child no matter what they have done
DeleteAshrpblond spot on, on everything also more so correct about mother believing in their kids no matter what.
DeleteExactly Ash
DeleteNot to mention Taylor earned her own money and has a big stash from selling those properties to Bill!! OP makes no sense. We know why Thomas is living with Eric… btw, how is Hope and Liam living in the dingy cabin rent free any better?? They have lived off Brooke for years now. Thomas has no exes to pay. Caroline is dead. For sure Brooke got her grubby hands on millions from the Forrester and Spencer men, well all the Logan sisters did. Liam and Hope are trust fund brats too! At least Thomas loved in his own place. Paris has his old flat, remember his house fell through and she was already living there.
DeleteWe saw very clearly today that Taylor still has doubts about Ridge. It's not like she has swallowed whole everything that Ridge told her in Aspen. 🙄
DeleteExactly!! She’s waiting on the other shoe dropping and has her own home she can boot Ridge out of 🤭🤭
DeleteBBFan if both "shoes" drop, how will she "boot" him? 😅 (joking of course, love the expression)
DeleteBBFan but the properties Taylor sold to Bill, were they originally bought by herself or Ridge? 🤔 btw I don't know why Thomas is living with Eric, I hear the good ol' cry "we are Forresters" but nothing more concrete as a reason. It's not like he can't afford his own place.
DeleteMilla, something about Douglas learning about his Forrester heritage was bandied around in the earlies when Thomas first moved in.
DeleteOkay so it's the good ol' cry indeed 😂🤗
DeleteLol Thomas talked about how all of the Forrester family had lived there at different times … Thomas Pheobe and Steffy spent summers there when they were Douglas’s age etc. playing in the grounds etc. Eric isn’t getting younger and he wanted Douglas to spend time with his great grandfather and it was a neutral place for Ridge to go spend time with him as well. It is after all the family home and where Ridge, Thorne, etc grew up.
DeleteAs far as I know Taylor bought the beach house and the Bellaire mansion is where Taylor raised her children. Ridge loved there with her during their marriage. I’m not sure if they purchased it together or what. She sold it to Bill when she left to go do her Dr Without Borders service.
Finally Ridge mans up and tells her!!! He was spot on!!! She literally hates his son, always has. She wants to take his son away. She will always demand Ridge side with her against his own children like she always has.
ReplyDeleteThat is toxic relationship move on. Like Elle said a while back, this has been brewing for years and all Thomas did was bring it to a head!
Good! Liam it’s always all Thomas’s fault 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Because you being the cheating idiot you are has NOTHING to do with anything you ever experienced! 🙄🙄🙄
But she's still don't listening, she can't understand 😂😂😂 she's like what about Thomas? Is not what Thomas did or not, is the way she consider her husband's son. In country they use to say if you can't help shut up.
DeleteI am also sorry for her, i can't see people crying 😂😂🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽.those writers are the worse, they write Flo redemption, whom has stole and sold a child but keep going with that bc Thomas psycho, just to picture the Logan better.
DeleteMiah Brava 👏👏👏
DeleteBb, Miah, correct.. She has ALWAYS hated Thomas, before he was even born.. Simply because he was Taylor’s child with Ridge!! She will never ever accept Thomas, no matter what.. He could save her from a burning building, and she will still hate him.. And her reaction when Ridge said it is the way she hates on Thomas, said it all!! And her explanation, oh, I just said I had concerns about him, like it was no big deal.. it wasn’t just concerns, she manipulated, lied, threatened etc, and put Ridge under great pressure to side with her in getting Douglas back to the cabin.. And she is still confused?? even if the cps thing didn’t happen, she would still go after his blood till she got her way.. What does she expect.. If Ridge was doing that Hope, how would she react!! We all know the answer to that!! she has always demanded Ridge put her kids first, and now he is supporting his kids for a change, she can’t handle it!! She will never accept his kids.. She swore black and blue, that she would start supporting him to get him home, then did the opposite.. It’s always going to be what she wants first and foremost, and won’t stop till she gets it!!
DeleteColly totally agree.
DeleteWe've seen Ridge turn against Hope when Deacon returned and he told her to leave the property. Brooke didn't like it one bit and told Ridge that Hope (and Liam) was not going anywhere because this was her house. Brooke wasn't having any of it. It therefore shouldn't be too difficult for her to understand a parent's love for their child. Whether she sees Thomas as crazy and obsessive shouldn't even be important. She should want to help her husband help his son and support him in that regard. And that's all Ridge was trying to tell her today.
DeleteLest we forget Brooke dumped Ridge, fired him from Forrester and put him in jail for a murder her son Eric committed because he couldn’t stick his bratty younger brother. Her precious son so she should know what that is like for him to know she’s always hated his son!
DeleteWhenever things go wrong and nobody can figure out why, it's Thomas 😂 - that says it all.
ReplyDeleteHope where is all your attitude protecting Thomas now huh? Someone finally shut up when they hear the truth about Thomas, because someone saw it. Soon you'll be in for a rude final awakening.
Ridge you pathetic waste of skin. You'll be eating those papers soon, begging Brooke for forgiveness. Then I hope she's just as mute as you, turns around and kisses Bill.
@ Milla I sometimes wonder if Ridge is like a headless crazy chicken who doesn't know what to do, where to go, who to love......
DeleteThat's very well put Elizabeth. Also because of his inability to communicate like a human being, it's only stuttering and grunting.
Delete@Milla As for Bill I know he wants Brooke really bad; he can barely control himself, BUT I hear Li is coming back soon so Bill may get torn between those two women himself.
DeleteEh... I somehow don't think Li is a true competition for Bill's heart. The audience of soaps wants a couple with history and memories to root for. There may be something but I don't see Bill choosing Li to Brooke long-term.
DeleteElizabeth, 🤣🤣🤣 that’s a good way to put it!!
DeleteThomas did the best thing in the world. Ridge should just shut up and Brooke should rome around with Deacon or Bill Spencer.
ReplyDeleteI can't help but like Taylor, she's so grounded and even has a comic outlook on life ("who knows if he won't pull the old switcheroo all over again" 😅) plus she makes a point that the idiot's happiness is her priority (not that he deserves it) even if that involves Brooke who is very important to him. She's refreshingly realistic and in some ways I even don't miss all the angst of previous Taylor when it came to Brooke (although the catfights will be missed forever).
ReplyDeleteI agree Milla!!!
DeleteMilla, KA has really grown on me too! I don’t think anyone , no matter who they are, will ever fill HT shoes, because she made the character who it is over decades, but KA adds a lot humour to the dialogue which is badly needed through all the depressing and repetitive crap!! Also I thought she looked beautiful today, even that wig didn’t look half bad 🤣🤣
DeleteOh absolutely no argument, HT is the One. But yes exactly the humor and also the unburdened self-confidence as in "whatever happens I'll be fine, I'm not clinging to Ridge" is also something good to see on the screen.
DeleteAnd something I wish I could "transplant" on to Brooke 😅
Delete🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteThomas and Steffy are acting like two children who just bought mommy a present. That was not some big emergency that Taylor needed to frantically rush over for. They need to grow up. And Hope & Liam sound stupid too. Arguing about who influenced Ridge more, Steffy or Thomas. Thank you Katie for reminding them that Ridge is a grown man. Brooke should just take a nice vacation. Maybe take a cruise. Just get away from there for a while. 🌴
ReplyDeleteI wish Bill would give Brooke and Hope a job publishing Ion Fashion that Caroline had and let Forrester worry about their reviews for a while. Hope could write at statement in the magazine that she is no longer associated with Hope for the Future and tell Thomas' obsession and the fake CPS call is the reason why she and Brooke left the company. She could also mention that Ridge was cheating on Brooke with Taylor.
DeleteWhy would she do that??? She was handed a fashion line as a teenager to get her away from the drugs she was popping and to keep her out of trouble. She literally does nothing most of the time. She’s no talent so Bill isn’t going to hire her.
DeletePersonal life and work are two different things. Thomas’s designs just saved HFTF and are making money for Forrester.
Did Hope publish her sleeping with Liam while he was married to his pregnant wife ? Or that she was pregnant from that affair?? Did she publish when her mum cheated on Ridge? Did Brooke get fired???
Your comment makes no sense.
All Hope has to do to make the millions she is from HFTF, is say the four words she said on stage, which is her message, and give her 2 cents on the designs!! That’s it!! And boom, her bank balance sky rockets!!
DeleteBBfan101 the only reason Steffy ended up with Liam is because of her manipulations. Steffy and Liam had both signed annulment papers before Beth was conceived. When did Brooke cheat on Ridge? When Brooke was with Bill, she and Ridge were divorced. When the Deacon affair happened, Brooke was not married to Ridge. Ridge was married to Taylor. If you call kissing cheating, then Ridge has cheated on Brooke a lot. He is even doing it now with Dr. Quack-a-doodle-do. Steffy slept with a married Liam when her brother was making out with a mannequin. She has had to have paternity test for both of her children. Steffy also chased a married Bill while Bill was married to Katie. I am sure that Hope is not skill less. She has successfully run HFTF for years and it must be more successful than Steffy's panty line because we never hear about Steffy's line. Hope's drug addiction came when Amber was getting pills from Thomas' best bud Vinny and sending them to Hope and making it look like they came from Hope's doctor. Steffy had a drug addiction and she accepted pill from Vinny on her own. Why would Hope want to work be around an obsessed psycho like Thomas especially when she finds out about the CPS call? No only is he unhinged, but dangerous as well. He did chase Emma off the road and watched her die with a smear on his face. That is psycho behavior.
Delete@Joy why in the world we don't see you more often here? 🤗🤗you have tons of interesting truths! I didn't know Hope also had a Vinny-Amber-facilitated drug addiction!
DeleteTo be clear, Hope's shrink had stopped prescribing the pills for her and Hope, desperate to have more, went to Amber who told her that she could get the pills online. Because of who Hope is in the fashion industry, Amber agreed to order the pills for her. I can't remember Vinny being involved (not saying he wasn't) but, at the time, the show wanted to highlight the dangers of purchasing illegal drugs online.
DeleteAlso, HFTF was not successfully run for years. During that time, the line took a hit because it's message became distorted. There may have been an attempt to revive it over the years but it fell flat. This recent preview is the first one in years and was Hope's attempt at reviving it once again.
@Elle why did young Hope need pills in the first place? Is being too rich, pretty and popular an illness? 😂 (I'm joking but really want to know the storyline)
DeleteMilla, this was after Liam and Steffy got married in Aspen the first time (think "gondola"). Eventually, Bill and Steffy's machinations were found out and Liam returned to Hope who decided to give her virginity to him while married (at Brooke's insistence. Brooke was involved in Liam and Hope's imminent sex life way too much. She even bought Hope the perfect lingerie for the occasion. Still gives me the heebie jeebies recalling it to memory.)
DeleteAnyway, to top it off, Hope moved in with Liam while awaiting Liam's marriage to Steffy to be annulled and they started going about in public like a true couple. One of her fans saw them together, took a photo and posted it on social media. Given who Hope is, the photo went viral pretty quickly and people started calling her out on being with a married Liam while promoting a fashion line that speaks to holding true to one's values and morals. The result? Her line was boycotted.
Hope could not handle the scrutiny and started becoming anxious and having panic attacks. Brooke supposedly took her to see a psychologist who prescribed pills for her (as far as I know, only psychiatrists can prescribe drugs but anyhoo) but Hope became dependent. The psychologist realized that Hope was starting to become dependent and she refused to prescribe anymore. Enter Amber.
Ironically, Hope's dependency problem, and a series of subsequent events, led to Liam realizing that he did not want to annul his marriage and so, he tore up the papers. Some of my favorite Steam moments. ❤️❤️
Thank you Elle!!! Joy that literally has nothing to do with Liam and Steffy’s 3rd marriage to each other!!! Years later! Hope was no where in the picture. She chose time and again not to be with Liam because she wanted a perfect relationship or none at all.
DeleteLiam was devastated when Steffy married Wyatt and fought to get her back. Remember him walking around Monaco and SC actually sang the song for the scenes.
Liam and Steffy were remarried in Australia. There was no lies, no trickery nothing wrong at all. They were mad in love and had years together after that happily living as a couple!!!
Steffy chasing Bill happened when she was a teenager! She was a child herself and NEVER slept with him. He wanted to leave Katie and she used her medical condition to guilt him into staying with her. Steffy grew up and moved on.
Hope met Liam as a very pampered, immature teenager who thought she was a Disney Princess with her Prince Charming.
She wanted a picture perfect relationship blah blah, to play house etc. Anything not to be like Brooke.
Hope broke off her own engagement! Then when Liam fell deeply in love with a woman, not an immature child like Hope, she wanted him back! Liam chose to marry Steffy, he wanted to marry her. Hope was prevented from stopping that and her fans will never forgive Steffy for that. Bill helped Steffy because he saw how good she and Liam were together, happy, in love and drama free. Hope was a whiny child and Bill didn’t want his son stuck in a doomed relationship.
I love LFs act like Steffy was chasing Bill while married to Liam, NEVER happened! She loved her husband! Was she devastated when Liam admitted that he made out with Sally the Younger? Yes, she could forgive it because they were trapped and dying and Sally kissed Liam. However his telling her that oh then I kissed her again and then later again… that hurt his wife deeply. He betrayed her.
She took space at her grandfather’s guest house. She wanted to be ALONE and told no one where she was.
Bill stalked her and was relentless… she told him to leave over and over. He shoved his way in the door ffs… wouldn’t take no for an answer. The guy spent hours telling his DIL that his SON didn’t deserve her etc while plying her with booze. She trusted her FIL and long time friend.
Bill wanted her for himself! He was obsessed with her! Steffy was horrified after it happened and wanted nothing to do with Bill. She wasn’t having an ongoing affair etc.
DeleteBut unlike Hope and Brooke who both cheated on their husbands, Steffy can’t be forgiven!!
Yes BTW Brooke did sleep around on Ridge with Thorne and Nick, his brothers!! Brooke also slept with Ridge while married to his father Eric and tried to pass Bridget off as his. She lied and said she hadn’t been sleeping with Eric which which was completely untrue. Brooke pursued Ridge relentlessly.
Hope actually pursued Liam every time he was married to Steffy. She slept with him and lived with him and did everything she could to break up his marriages. LFs rationalize all of this because Hope saw him first!! Really???
Again with Mannequingate, I’m sick of LFs making out like Steffy went after Liam and just slept him. NEVER happened! Steffy was happy with Finn after being a single mum by choice (remember she put her ring on Hope’s finger and told the pregnant slag, who had an affair with Liam.. who threw herself at a married man with a pregnant wife her ENTIRE pregnancy… that she was done). Steffy chose not to put Kelly through what she and her siblings lived through and her mum went through because of Brooke! Steffy was in a good place after rehab and moving forward in her life. She has a wonder man who loves only her.
DeleteLiam RAN to Steffy. He didn’t confront Thomas or Hope. He made NO effort to find out what was going on. He believed with no difficulty that Hope would cheat on him. Why??? Because she cheated WITH him so many times! She slept with Liam while married to his Brother Wyatt and while Liam was married to Steffy all three times and during their engagement after.
Steffy told Liam over and over there was an explanation, his wife wouldn’t do that etc. Go talk to Hope blah blah! Instead Liam drank himself silly, and slept with Steffy. Yet Steffy is painted as pursuing Liam etc etc. Not true.
Liam did that with Hope, he had forgiven Steffy for cheating on him, made a grande gesture with all the roses and card’s telling Steffy he loved and forgave her and was coming home.
Bill staged the fake romantic evening at the office and lied to Liam’s face that he and Steffy were having an ongoing affair. So Liam turned to Hope and slept with her. He did what Ridge is doing to Brooke telling her she knew what she did which was??? Oh yeah buying the cliff house from Bill. Telling Bill she loved and was committed to his son. Again not a peep about Hope sleeping with Liam or hey LIAM having culpability for cheating on his wife… ever. Liam is a huge cheat! But it’s always Steffy’s fault.
I do blame Hope because she was actively pursuing Liam. She made out with him, told him to leave his wife, that she came back only for him etc. Hope willingly slept with a married Liam because she wanted him. Yet no one ever says bad Hope. It’s all Steffy is a slut 🙄🙄🙄🙄.
We have to hear daily that Brooke who has slept with so many married men deserves her happily ever after with Ridge. How Hope who also chose to carry on affairs with Liam every time he was married to Steffy and cheated with him while she herself was married to his brother, has a marriage that is sacrosanct.
And Steffy who made 2 mistakes is forever a slut, unforgivable etc. WTF??? Totally hypocritical!
DeleteBy the way how is sleeping with Bill any worse that Hope sleeping with Wyatt’s brother? Or Brooke sleeping with Eric’s son? Or Ridge’s two brothers? Or two of her daughter Bridget’s husbands??? Or her sister Katie’s husband Bill?? Brooke and Hope both had ongoing affairs and Steffy 2 one offs!! But it’s all Steffy blah blah.
How do we applaud the Logan’s??? I mean Donna is still having an affair with a married Eric who she cheated on when she was married to him! Katie tried to have an affair with Eric while he was married to Quinn and he turned her down.
Steffy and the gondola incident, which by the way was her preventing Hope from interfering with her relationship ( love how that is Never Ever acknowledged) after ending her own with Liam. Hope broke her own engagement which as teen she was much to young to be in at all! Hope chose that then changed her mind when Liam moved on. She wasn’t entitled to blow his life apart but of course Brooke was pushing destiny on her mini me.
Again LFs make every excuse in the book for Logans who do far worse.
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DeleteBravo, Bbfan, and Elle!! 💯 correct!! And it’s ironic, because we are told that we lie and twist the truth?? Anyone can go back and watch all of that, and will see it’s 💯 truth!!
DeleteWhen Ridge finds out what his monster of a son did and comes crawling back to Brooke, I hope she tells him to go slurp noodles with his Dr. Quack-a-doodle-doo and moves on with Bill. Let him be miserable with his Tridge mafia for a while.
ReplyDeleteI've been hearing for a while now (ad nauseum) that Ridge will go back to Brooke to beg for her forgiveness when Thomas' scheme is found out. Why would he return to the woman who cannot stand his son? Do you think he will leave his family when his son needs them most?
Delete@ Elle, short answer “Yes!”
DeleteWhat his son NEEDS is an inpatient mental treatment center. But only after he gets a huge smackdown from daddy!!!
DeleteOh dear. Lol.
DeleteElle, both Taylor and Ridge have failed Thomas by covering for him and not getting him professional help. Taylor has not helped Thomas at all. Thomas needs in a mental treatment program. Thomas may even be a psychopath that cannot be helped. Brooke has every right to not trust Thomas after the crazy things that he has done to her and her family in the past. He was willing to lie about having sex with her for Stephanie's share of stock in Forrester Creations. Thomas not only sat Rick's house on fire but blew up Rick's car as well. Thomas and Steffy tried to get an underaged Hope drunk so Thomas could take advantage of her. Brooke knows that Thomas has not changed, and she has a right to not trust him.
DeleteI'm not against Brooke not trusting Thomas however, as her husband's son, she should also be willing to help. If she is so convinced that Thomas might still have mental issues, why is she fighting her husband? Unless, she doesn't want to see Thomas get well. And that's what Ridge was trying to tell her, that they both want different things where his son is concerned. Ridge wants to see him get well and Brooke does not. Ridge wants to see Thomas be a good father to Douglas, Brooke wants to call CPS. Why would Ridge want to return to that?
DeleteElle, she has helped Thomas in the past. He stayed at her house after his operation. Brooke tried to get Ridge to get help for Thomas before, but Ridge will not admit that Thomas has a problem. Ridge is in denial right now about Thomas. Ridge knows about Thomas keeping Sheila's secret and he and Taylor are covering it up. Ridge knew about Thomas chasing Emma to her death and not calling for help. Ridge made a deal to drop charges against Flo to keep her quiet. Again, he covered for Thomas. Thomas cannot be helped until Ridge and Taylor admits that he needs professional help and Taylor should not be the one giving him that help. Doctors do not treat family members. They may even have to realize that Thomas is a psycho and cannot be helped.
Delete@Elle I'm watching now the episodes with the debacle around Zoey where Ridge (with the face of eating a frog) literally said to Brooke "you were right all along about Thomas"... So he knows the drill 😅😂
DeleteBut I agree with you that Brooke's approach to Thomas should be more constructive, she should offer to help once it is revealed he is not okay. The thing is - Ridge (and Taylor, Steffy) shouldn't bury their heads in the sand and deny anything is wrong. They also shouldn't just send him on his marry way to drive along the coast and think about what he did 😅 they should get him professional help. Real one.
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Delete@Joy Ridge practically had to beg Brooke to let Thomas recover from his surgery at their home. She was not willing to extend a helping hand.
DeleteRidge knows the depth of his son's disturbance but he is choosing to believe that he is better because it's what he desperately wants for him. Not a wise move but if Thomas has really regressed (I'm not convinced he has), then let's hope that Ridge seeks to get him professional help this time.
Steffy isn’t hiding !! She called Thomas out at the office last week and told him that she didn’t like what she was seeing and that he couldn’t go backwards to his obsession with Hope.
DeleteBrooke didn’t want Ridge to get him help, she wanted him out of his life forever.
By the way, speaking of Emma, Brooke not only covered up her son Rick shooting and killing her husband, she had Ridge go to prison for it!! So she has literally no room to talk there! She couldn’t forgive Ridge for not siding with Rick blah blah.
Yet has no understanding of how her perpetual hatred of his son, literally before his birth, affected their marriage.
Elle that’s true, Brooke did not want Thomas staying there at all!! That shows exactly how much she hates him.. He had MAJOR brain surgery.. And all Ridge asked, was to let him stay while he recovered, and she did not even want to do that, nevermind anything else.. Like Ridge said, she can’t even find the smallest little place in her heart for his son, nevermind anything else.. And, yes, Steffy did pull Thomas up and spoke to him.. They are not being completely bling and niave.. Brooke has done nothing but lie constantly throughout their relationships, so it would be understandable that Ridge Ridge would not believe her, when she blatantly threatened his son to call cps.. That’s not just a little threat.. That’s a major threat to make.. You can’t just say, oh but she was just wort and said it out of frustration or anger.. it was purposeful to make a very clear statement about how far she would go against his son.. And Thomas had done nothing at that stage, to warrant such a threat!! So Brooke will never accept Thomas, never mind help him..
DeleteWorried, not wort 🤣
DeleteHow about actually getting the man help, real help, independent of Brooke?! Ridge needs zero agreement or anything from Brooke to do that. But no, it's much easier to make it all about Brooke and you guys are the same. If Thomas was properly treated - of health issue, of mental condition or of just psychopathic tendencies, all of this would be moot. But you are the same - any chance to hate Brooke, I honestly believe this hate of Brooke (and anything related to her) is such a major thing for you you don't see any other way things should have gone in people's lives that doesn't depend on her. Sad.
DeleteRidge can indeed get help for Thomas but what I was explaining is that, as his wife, he also expects support from Brooke. The only thing I would say she does wrong is constantly fighting him on Thomas. At some point, she needs to find a middle ground. If she does that then maybe Ridge would be more open to hear what she has to say. Constantly attacking Thomas will obviously put Ridge in defense mode.
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DeleteAgain, Ridge as a father needs nothing, nothing from Brooke in order to help Thomas. No arguments, no support, no what she has to say, no defense mode, no middle ground, no nothing. It is his child. Instead of putting it on Brooke, he should just be a father. If he did that, nobody would stop him.
DeleteNoone would stop Ridge for sure, but the attacks will still come from his wife. So it's either they agree to disagree about his son or Brooke let's up, have an open mind and meet him halfway. It makes no sense Ridge doing what he has to do and there is still distrust from Brooke.
DeleteWhat attacks? If Thomas is in therapy, there won't even be interactions between them to "attack". If the treatment is successfully and he's acting normal (like after his surgery), there won't be "attacks" either.
DeleteFor goodness sakes Liam, soon your gonna start blaming Thomas for the traffic jams or the bad weather.. How stupid to say when ever anything goes wrong and you can’t figure it out, then it’s Thomas.. That wins the dumbest most idiotic line of the day!! I have to say, despite how I feel about Brooke, the way Ridge grabbed the pen, and gave hope to Brooke, only to hand it to her, that was just cruel.. what a twat he is!!
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DeleteWHAT IN THE WORLD IS WRONG WITH RIDGE WAIT UNTIL HE FINDS OUT THOMAS WAS IN BEHIND THIS CONFUSION BETWEEN HIM& BROOKE IN THE FIRST PLACE THOMAS IS A WRECK ALL BY HIMSELF WAITING TO HAPPEN EVEN TRYING TO FORCE A KISS ON HOPE AFTER THE FORRESTERS SHOW HE IS GOING BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARD WITH HIS ON& OFF OBSESSION FOR HOPE NOT PAYING ATTENTION NOR ..RESPECT THAT HOPE IS ALREADY MARRIED WHAT HE ALWAYS WANT IS ALWAYS WHAT R SHOULD I SAY WHO HE CANNOT HAVE
Deleteif someone was clearly targeting my marriage in the way Ridges family are I would have had so much to say than Brooke has! She has behaved with dignity even when she has known what has been happening with the brats he calls his children. They have sabotaged their parents in such different ways and when the truth comes out these two and their mother are going to be devastated...and it totally serves them right, all 3 of them.
DeleteI sincerely hope that Brooke walks away from them all. You would think the idiot that is Ridge would have learnt by now how clearly Brooke sees through Thomas`s evilness. She`s usually the only one that can until it`s too late and here she is correct again!
Colly you talk about Liam blaming Thomas for everything that is going on with him and Hope and his mistrust of Thomas in general, we are talking about the person who only the night before came onto his wife and tried to kiss her, a married woman that he is obsessed with. Liam needs to stand up to Thomas and tell him that now the show is over, Hope will be spending much more time at home with him and their daughter and that Douglas will be spending more time at the cabin. He`s totally fed up with the way Thomas manipulates Hope, at least now Hope has her guard up and can see where Thomas actually stands with her and is aware of his bs he has been feeding her.
So true, Maur. Before the attempted kiss, Hope was pretty loudly defending the fact that she was seeing a “changed Thomas.” But now she knows he is still thinking about her in a romantic way, so she can’t possibly say anything other than…”I will have my guard up, Liam.” To say anything less would be totally hypocritical. But Hope keeping the secret is protecting Thomas when he has no right to be protected. And she is not being honest with Liam, and that’s definitely not cool either!
DeleteHow is Thomas manipulating Hope exactly? He has been very direct about how he feels about her, no manipulation needed.
DeleteAnd if Liam wants to stand up to Thomas, he can stand up to him about his wife spending more time at home with him and their daughter but Douglas? Thomas is Douglas' father and Douglas wants to stay with his dad at the mansion. Liam has no say.
Like how Hope and Brooke targeted Liam and Steffy’s marriage, like that??? Karma ladies karma…
DeleteI can’t weigh in on how “Hope and Brooke targeted Steffy’s marriage to Liam” because I wasn’t watching then. But I can say that my take on how it went down would most likely be very different than the way the FF’s say it happened. Lol
DeleteThomas has been manipulating Hope by taking Douglas and not allowing him to return to Hope's home. That way, if Hope wants to see Douglas. she has to go to Eric's and be around Thomas. Steffy's marriage was not targeted. Steffy blew up her own marriage by sleeping with her father-in-law.
DeleteBut Colly the line is pure truth 😅 especially now! It is literally what is happening - things go wrong and nobody knows why because it's Thomas 😂 Liam will give himself "clairvoyant of the year" award when it comes out what Thomas did!
DeletePlus I believe he's referring to that time Steffy gave him an out of the blue kiss and he couldn't for the life of him figure out how Hope showed up that exact second. Only after to find out it was of course Thomas orchestrating it all like a beautiful unhinged puppetmast er 😅 I'm watching those episodes now for the first time and many things become clear...
Delete@Joy Douglas wanted to spend more time with his dad and Thomas had a conversation with Hope about it. Douglas also enjoys spending time at the mansion and wanted to stay. Thomas again spoke to Hope about it and also invited her to come and see for herself, which she did. There was no manipulation. Once Hope saw that Thomas was telling the truth (I remember her crying to Liam about feeling like she is losing her son), she, of her own accord, would pay daily visits to Eric's and even started spending nights there. This was not on account of any manipulation on Thomas' part but by Hope's own free will. She would even take Beth with her. To say that Thomas manipulated the situation is not true since we saw everything played out onscreen as to how it happened. Thomas' non-supporters choosing to see it as manipulation doesn't make it so.
DeleteThomas is literally manipulating everyone and everything at the moment. He has convinced his father that he is the victim of Brooke making the call to CPS. Thomas has also manipulated Ridge into wanting to divorce Brooke so he would reunite with Taylor. He is manipulating Hope by pretending to be this changed man and great dad…when clearly he isn’t. He is also manipulating Hope by telling her he made a mistake by trying to kiss her, and that it will not happen again. And we all know he is in fact clearly obsessed with her. The list of people he isn’t manipulating at the moment is shorter than the list of people he is! He’s literally manipulating pretty much everyone in his orbit!! How can you even make the statement above with any seriousness??
DeleteElle, when Hope was crying and said that, Liam had just asked her what’s wrong, and he asked if it was Thomas, and she specifically said no, it was nothing to do with Thomas, and it was Douglas, and how Happy he is there and then she said she feels like she is losing her son.. it was NOTHING to do with anything to do with Thomas!! When Thomas first took Douglas, it was because he wanted to step up and be the father that Douglas wanted him to be and deserved.. There was NO manipulation by Thomas.. The reason Thomas first invited Hope to go there was so she could see for herself, that he wasn’t manipulating Douglas or the situation.. She did go, and she saw Thomas was correct, and that’s why she cried and said what she did.. There was NO manipulation, still is no manipulation where that is concerned.. Has Thomas told Hope he will always love her, yes, is that a crime , no.. Did he try to kiss her , yes, is that a crime, no.. Every character on the show has tried to kiss a married person, so that means everyone is psycho , according to the “LF logic”.. Thomas has also not manipulated anything where the HFTF line is concerned either.. He was lead designer, he did what he was supposed to do, so how is that manipulating Hope exactly?? The only manipulation Thomas has done, was the cost call, which had nothing to do with Hope!! And even then, was it wrong and manipulative, yes, but, almost every character on the show has done the same and worse, especially Brooke!!
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Delete@Lynn My response was specific to Maur's and Joy's comments that Thomas is manipulating Hope. It was not about anyone else.
DeleteRegarding the kiss that Maur spoke about, I reiterate that there was no manipulation there because Thomas has been very open with Hope about how he feels about her. There was no trickery or deceit involved when he attempted to kiss Hope. She did not even look shocked by it because she knows how Thomas feels.
Regarding Joy's comment about Thomas using Douglas to manipulate Hope, I again reiterate that there was no manipulation there either because Douglas was the one who wanted to spend more time with his dad. When Thomas spoke to Hope about it, she approved. When she questioned Thomas about keeping Douglas for so long, they had another conversation where he indicated that Douglas was the one who wanted to stay. He even invited her over to Eric's so she could see for herself. When she visited, she saw that Thomas was telling the truth and it made her sad that Douglas did not want to return to the cabin. Again, there was no trickery or deceit involved. Everything Hope did after that (daily visits, spending nights) was of her own free will.
I agree that Thomas is being manipulative in certain circumstances but not regarding what I responded to above.
Someone is gonna catch Thomas with that recording device and I hope that it is Ridge, then the fireworks will start.......can't wait!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThere is zero reason Brooke should trust or support Thomas. He has done everything to justify her feelings about him!!! Maybe Ridge should support his wife instead of his sick-in-the-head son!!!
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line is this….Brooke is right about Thomas! And spoiled brat, entitled, conniving Thomas needs actual mental health help!!!
You should have stood by your wife Ridge. And when the truth comes out - you will realize that once again!!!
Ridge downing Brooke for never giving Thomas a chance.
DeleteWhen did Thomas ever give Brooke a chance? He has always been an ass to her, so you are right Lynn, there's never been a reason for Brooke to trust Thomas. I just pray that by the time the truth comes out, Brooke is over ridge. I can't deal with their love anymore 😂 It's boring and stale. I'm so over hope, liam, steffy and Thomas too. Please, for the love of God, move them all to the back burner for awhile and let some other actors have some screen time ! I've seen enough of the 4 of them to last me a lifetime!!!!
Thomas could be a raging lunatic and Ridge will stand by him because he is his son. To suggest that Ridge should not support his son is saying that a father should turn his back on his flesh and blood just because his behaviour isn't perfect.
DeleteHilary, yes, for sure. I wish we could move on from the current events. Same thing day after day. 😞😞😞 And just when we think there is going to be a big reveal - nope! The show moves slower than prime time traffic in California! 🙄🙄🙄
DeleteStanding behind (supporting) bad behavior from your child does not make you a good parent. Parents who hold their children accountable are good parents!!
DeleteBut by the LF's own utterances, Thomas isn't just displaying bad behaviour, he is mental, cuckoo for cocoa puffs, crazy, obsessive and has mental issues. A parent should not turn his/her back on a child who has psychological issues.
DeleteAgreed. I posted another comment a bit earlier that he needs to be put into an inpatient mental health facility to deal with his psychological issues. Not just some feel good chats with psychiatrist mommy (who lacks all credibility in my opinion.)
DeleteHe hasn’t changed. So he needs more intensive treatment.
I just can believe some of your comments. We always say that the parents love is unconditional.... I feel just unarmed in front of some comments here, asking a father to turn his back on his son , to be with a woman....a woman that can leave him for another man or fall in Love harder for someone else 🤔🤔🤔 I wanted to comment, but I can't i can't comment that....love the character of Thomas or not...you can't ask his father to turn his back on him just be with Brooke. Maybe the genius writers need to write another Brooke, a Brooke that's acknowledge that she's in love with a man whom has a problematic grown child. If she can't help, or doesn't want to help, she need to shut up.
DeleteBrooke "I can't love him like do Ridge". Brooke 's words. I don't think that Ridge was asking to love him. We all agree that the CPS thing is wrong, still doesn't make Brooke better, she hates her husband's son.
I need to stop watching that crap, I am tired of it.
The real turning his back on Thomas Ridge has done every time he closed his eyes for his problems and blaming others for pointing them. Standing by his son is not what he's doing now - pretending - but getting him help. All Brooke ever wanted from Ridge was to admit that Thomas is not okay and get him help. But Ridge sees this as a failure, he much prefers to gaslight her, put it back on her instead of taking care of his child.
DeleteAnd he always does that, his first impulse when someone points out his children are unwell is to gaslight, to blame. It was the same when Liam took Kelly when Steffy was addicted. It took Steffy literally pointing a knife at them for him to wake up, before that he was yelling at them to return the girl to Steffy.
DeleteIt is good Taylor is around because I'm sure she won't be doing the same.
DeleteBut Milla, Ridge did admit to Brooke that she was right and that Thomas was not okay. However, the tumor he had, which it was determined was the direct cause of his behavior, changed things. It made Thomas' problems a medical one and not a psychological one. So, in all fairness, Ridge has no reason to think that Thomas is mental. Does Thomas get up to no good at times? Sure. It doesn't however, reflect a mental or psychological issue, just a behavioral one. He's is bad-behaved, not crazy.
Delete@Elle that's for the (fictional) psychologists to diagnose now, not us. But if he's just evil, that's in some ways even worse. How do you heal that? 😅 Then Ridge cannot do anything to help him and just has to admit he has a bad kid, he can't "hide" behind a health issue out of Thomas (and his) control.
DeleteAlthough when I think about it, I don't believe there are purely evil people (or very few and Thomas isn't one). Therapy should be able to help a lot of his issues which manifest as evil. But someone has to admit that and provide it to him.
DeleteOh yeah! Evil is a horse of a different color altogether! 🐴 I don't believe that Thomas is evil. Sheila is definitely evil. Her brain works in a completely illogical way. With Thomas, there's a method to his madness. 😂😂
DeleteSheila had a method to her madness too. That’s why she’s still alive and has successfully escaped prison. I think Sheila and Thomas are both pretty evil. Neither one of them have regrets and can justify just about anything. Feeling no empathy or remorse makes a person a sociopath. I think both of them fall into that category. Although Sheila’s deeds should have put her away in prison for decades. Thomas may be able to be saved with intensive therapy, but no ‘feel good talks’ from fake psychiatrist mommy Taylor. That obviously did NO GOOD the first time.
Delete🤣🤣🤣 so true!! Thomas has shown nothing but good, up to the cps thing, and no one can deny that, Since his surgery, he has been great.. But despite the cps thing , I would not say he is “psycho or evil”, as many characters on this show have done many manipulative things similar and way worse.. So to say Thomas is pure evil based on his past which actually WAS a medical issue, is completely unfair.. Many characters have tried to kiss married people, Brooks being the biggest culprit for that kind of behaviour, but again, that is not an evil act.. inappropriate, yes, evil no, or otherwise pretty much every character is “evil” then 🤣🤣🤣 The cps call, wrong , yes, manipulative, yes, but you only have to look at most of Bills actions, which have been faaaar worse , to say that Thomas is “evil” and psychotic, no.. He has not shown any true, “psychotic” or “evil” behaviour as of yet.. When Hope pushed Thomas into the VAT of acid, and thought she killed him, and her and Brooke kept it secret and Brooke even went to the lengths to tell Ridge he did the runner and deserted his son, and they both would have lied to Ridge for the rest of their lives to protect Hope from prison, was that as bad as the cps thing? When Brooke pushed Thomas off the cliff, and lied, till Thomas regained consciousness and then HE covered her ass for her, was Brooke evil, was Thomas evil for letting her off the hook?? So I think it an unfair statement to say he is evil or psychotic..
DeleteMiah, I agree love.. No matter what the situation, no parent should turn their back on their child for another woman who is not their mother.. If it were RJ, would Brooke be happy if Ridge turned his back on him because of Taylor?? I think NOT!! Any parent who would turn their back on their own child for any reason at all, would be questionable in my view.. And a massive part of the reason Thomas has issues, is because he watched his father hurt his mother for Brooke time and again.. That does not excuse what Thomas did, at all.. But to say he should turn his back on him, for Brooke, no way is that fair, considering she is not blameless in all of this..
DeleteThomas has done many, many evil things - and he did them well before any brain injury! And he has continued to do evil things after he’s been healed from his ‘brain injury.’ The only whacked out thing he did as a result of the brain injury was have an affair with a mannequin. And that wouldn’t even be considered evil. That would simply be considered crazy! All the Logan fans have listed incident after incident over many years that Thomas has acted in an evil way. Why do we always go back to the mannequin ordeal??? The Logan fans don’t even bring that up as an example when we discuss evil Thomas. And that was an issue for a few months at best! We are talking about literally everything else that Thomas has done over the years that had NOTHING to do with any brain injury!
DeleteColly I very recently watched the episodes you mention with the acid and can set the record straight again - they hid it from Ridge for one night, then Brooke was on her way to tell him. When she did, even though Thomas was fine (teaching Hope a lesson wtf 🤦🏻♀️), Ridge left her so she was well punished for that one night she and Hope kept silent.
DeleteAnd his family believed twice that he "had changed" between Beth and his wedding to Zoey and between that and the mannequin. It was very short time between all these events and he got no therapy. Like I said, we don't know to what extent it is mental and to what he's just malicious, that's for professionals to establish. But he needs help. No back turning (whatever you FFs mean with that, I can only assume has sth to do with Brooke because it's always about her), attention, therapy, care. Nothing to do with Brooke, and everything to do with their family. Or is the Forrester cry only good to show superiority?
DeleteI'm saying this referring to the future, I know that as per Ridge right now Thomas is well, but when Ridge does realize all Thomas has done (and I bet he'll do more by then) they should have him examined.
DeleteExactly milla brook was so so wrong to advise hope not to tell ridge
DeleteBut hope was devastated and crushed with remorse something thomas never had with all of his crimes
I agree. It was wrong (and punished) but incomparable to what Thomas has done without remorse.
DeletePoor Thomas blamed for everything lol
ReplyDeleteOh the its raining !!
Its Thomas he made it rain🤣🤣🤣
Thank you Bob xxxx
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DeleteWhat an odd post Mandy.
ReplyDeleteLoved seeing Taylor today. She looked quite lovely. I'm also glad she sees things a lot more clearly than Thomas and Steffy do. She knows what Brooke means to Ridge and knows there's a real possibility that he can return to Brooke at any time. Kudos to her. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
ReplyDeleteShe says that - but if Ridge actually returned to Brooke, it would break Taylor in half!!!
DeleteHated Taylor’s pants. They looked cheap - like she bought them at Target. Lol
No offense to Target. Lol.
DeleteOf course she will be hurt because she loves Ridge. That's a given.
DeleteElle, Taylor did look lovely actually Katie, Hope and Steffy did as well!
DeleteLynn, Taylor looked like she should have been in the 70's dancing to Disco Duck. I didn't know the disco queen style was back.
Delete@ Joy, 😂😂😂😂
DeleteRidge made it very clear how much he loves Brooke and envisioned spending the rest of his life with her. Anyone who thinks this whole annulment has anything to do with anything other than the CPS call is crazy! It is 100% the CPS call that brought this on.
ReplyDeleteHe has always told Brooke that he loves her but even before the CPS call, he was pulling away from Brooke. The CPS call just tipped the scale for him in terms of all the things he could no longer tolerate with her.
DeleteBut I agree that the CPS call will change things.
Loving someone doesn’t mean that one should be in a relationship that has always been toxic at best. Love does not conquer all.
DeleteThey had gone through some challenges. But they were working through them. I don’t believe he was pulling away before the CPS call…in his mind anyway. But I do agree he was displaying completely unacceptable behavior with Taylor before the CPS call. He is an ego maniac who was getting his giant ego stroked by two beautiful women. And he was clearly fine with that. But I don’t believe he had any intention of ending his marriage to Brooke before the fake call happened.
DeleteAt this point I think he is having to convince himself to want to be with Taylor, because he thinks “it’s best”. But if Taylor doesn’t truly have his heart (and I am convinced she does not), then Taylor is still runner up. When this comes out - he will rush to get Brooke back. And if he genuinely wanted to be with Taylor for all the right reasons, then he would not rush back to Brooke. He would simply apologize to Brooke for Thomas’s horrible behavior, but he would stay with Taylor.
DeleteI don’t think it will play out that way. My guess is, he goes straight back to Brooke and begs her to take him back.
I don't think I've ever seen Ridge beg. That will be a first for sure!
DeleteWho knows what's in Ridge's mind? He moved out of Brooke's after the Deacon thing then moved back in but hardly spent any time at the house or with his wife. He needed alone time to think and even after moving back in with Brooke, wanted to think some more. I don't know if I can say with surety that he would not have left Brooke. Ridge surely loves her but love is not always enough.
I agree that love isn’t always enough. But I think he enjoys Brooke beyond just his love for her. I think she brings some excitement that Taylor may not bring. I like Taylor a bit more than I used to because she acts less dingy these days. I think less is more when it comes to Taylor. She is fine in small doses. I don’t think Ridge and Taylor should have been shacking up when he was still married to Brooke. And I think it makes her look just as bad as you ladies say Brooke is when she has “broken up marriages.” Ridge is way, way too needy. He is a bed hopper and the biggest slut of all!!
DeleteI read that he and Taylor are gonna start planning their wedding. The ink won’t even be dry on the annulment papers before Ridge and Taylor are walking down the aisle. I also read that Thomas is gonna double down on his bad behavior. So it’s most likely gonna get worse before things get better. But I’ve learned not to put too much stock in the spoilers.
Delete@Elle after Ridge dumped Taylor after she came back from the dead (round 2) he did tons of begging, even after Brooke left him at the altar for Nick, he continued. And that's just off the top of my head of his begging. It's really satisfying to watch so one doesn't forget it 😂 it was more satisfying with RM because he was more coherent, but this Ridge also does a good begging (wasn't on his knees but after the Shauna marriage he was professing to Brooke how she's the love of his life, how nothing makes sense without her, to please not give up on them because they belong together; she was resisting at first but he wore her down 😂)
@Lynn I also read that and it sounds plausible. But believe me, if it's anything like the previous Tridge weddings, you'll want to see that one 😅🐴
Delete@Lynn I don't think they should be shacking up either. I've said it before that Taylor should have waited till they got a divorce before even agreeing to be with Ridge.
DeleteI also think that both ladies bring different things to Ridge's life, things that he enjoys. You can see that he also enjoys spending time with Taylor. Her practicality and seeing things as they are is refreshing for him. She's under no delusions when it comes to Ridge and Brooke. He also enjoys her sense of humor and the time they spend together is quite calming for him. He has told her that she grounds him. So I think he enjoys spending time with them both. They just bring different things to the table.
@Milla I should have specified TK's Ridge. 😂 I cannot see this current Ridge begging just because of how he is. And I don't remember him begging Brooke after the Shauna thing. It was the other way around. He had no memory of what happened but decided to honor the marriage anyway. Brooke kept pleading with him about dissolving the marriage because it was not right and they belonged together and why did he tell Carter to file the papers. She went on and on and even went to Bill about it. It was through Bill's efforts, since he knew someone at the courts, that they found out that Carter did not actually file the papers. Once Ridge's marriage to Shauna was deemed invalid, Ridge and Brooke reunited. No begging or anything.
DeleteI just watched it yesterday, so yes there was begging, stretching over 2 episodes 😅 8338-8339 and what Ridge was saying quote: "I'll be yours until the day I die. Help me. Help me turn this thing around. I can't let you go. I'm gonna tell you for the rest of our lives every day that you're the only woman for me. Please forgive me." Brooke kept saying that he divorced her, she can't trust him, there is no "us" etc but he kept insisting he's not letting her go.
DeleteThere were even some funny moments:
"It's not a small thing. It's always big and scary with us. There was nothing bigger and scarier than my mom. She was terrifying wasn't she?"
"I'm gonna go sit on some rock and wait until you want me back."
I can see the writers taking lines from that speech for his next realization 😅He even said "look at the time we lost because I was wrong about Thomas." Copy, paste, done 😂
Well I did admit to not remembering. Thanks for the reminder. I stand corrected. 😂🤣☺️🤗
DeleteHah no worries 😂🤗🤗 it was fun rewatching it 😅
Delete@ Elle, your comment at 3:19 am….I agree with. Both women have their own unique traits that Ridge appreciates.
DeleteElle, I agree, we all said Taylor should not have accepted Ridge back until he was divorced and was sure that his reasons for wanting her back were clear.. And I think Taylor brings to Ridge what he can’t get from Brooke and vice versa.. It’s pretty sad when you think of it that way, that it takes two woman to fulfil one mans needs!! Says a lot about Ridge 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteYes I agree Elle, because at least when the axe falls and it will, she may not be so devastated.
ReplyDeleteShe should have never taken him back. She should have stuck to her guns when he came after her.
DeleteI have to say Hope looked lovely in that rose coloured dress! It really suits her. Her hair and makeup were well done too.
ReplyDeleteI'm beginning to wonder if the wardrobe department is responsible or whether the actress has begun dressing herself. She has been looking quite lovely for some time now and it was a sudden and drastic change from how she was dressed before.
DeleteWeak, weak Ridge is gonna feel mighty stupid when Thomas is exposed…
ReplyDeleteAaaah would you just spit it out Croaks - Tell Brooke about WHY you've ended things, please - stop dragging this out any longer!
ReplyDeleteTaylor's sixth sense is spot on - She's wary of this sudden change in Ridge and I too am worried that this Ridge/ Taylor reunion is going to be short-lived. There definitely needs to be another love interest for Taylor, she deserves better.
I do feel this Ridge/ Brooke love affair is set in stone as per the writers and well it's pretty much: wash, rinse, repeat - There's always going to be some or other stumbling block between those two and they will eventually reunite, hence the need for another love interest for Taylor. I could be wrong... let's see how it plays out, this time around.
Lutfiyya - long-term you're right, I don't see them splitting them up. My personal hope is for at least short-term freedom of Ridge.
DeleteWell said Lutfiyya. I'm glad that Taylor has her eyes opened. She, more than anyone, knows how fickle Ridge can be.
DeleteThe CPS reveal will have a definite impact but I'm not convinced that Ridge will go running back to Brooke, mainly because prior to CPS, he had already been thinking about whether he should stay with Brooke or not. He even told her that they would never agree about Thomas. Her distrust and more so, her hatred of Thomas, is a big deal for Ridge. Even despite Thomas calling CPS, Brooke was not blameless. She provoked him and threatened to take away his son and Ridge might not be accepting of that.
Elle, that’s what was thinking, that, the threat to call cps to Ridges face, shows him how much hatred she has for his son, and how far she would go to get her way.. That threat is not just a little threat said out of frustration.. that was a serious threat, that could have potentially taken his son away from him.. If she did go through with it, it would have been an unforgivable act.. And she is not blameless, she did provoke him, and he retaliated.. That does not mean it wasn’t wrong, not by a far stretch, but she she has been at him relentlessly, and I don’t believe he would have done that unprovoked..
DeleteOr better still, push him out of your life entirely and go be with a real man.
ReplyDeleteTwo or more men are crazy about you, you don`t need the egomaniac that is Ridge in your life in order to be happy.
As for Thomas, he needs URGENT mental care. He`s a danger to anyone he doesn`t care for, but Brooke, Hope, Beth and Liam.
He dreamed about it once, not only brook but her sisters also
DeleteSo hope will only have him
Its was a hilarious scene 😂😂😂
For the one who always bring up false information about hooe sleeping with wayyat and liam at the same time
ReplyDeleteThis information is sooooo wrong
What hope did was totally wrong dating 2 guys
But when she did that she stopped sleeping with wayyat coz she was only sleeping with him at that time
But yeah she was making out with both which already wrong and not her
But them she chose liam over wayyat
And she never cheated on liam with wayyat or the opposite
And yeah she slept with two brothers but thats all in her history
Well that was sad :'-/
ReplyDeleteBrooke should have told Ridge that he knows smth she doesn't and demanded to know what it is.
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