Sorry but Ridge and Bill’s exchanges are so flat ðĪĶðŧ♀️ why can't they come up with something more original than "dress-maker"?
If Deacon is "in on it", he's terrible at it. First he wants her out of his life, then he's obsessed with her, now he's swinging between encouraging her engagement and bashing Bill. Finally someone is being smart and that's Sheila. Bill must come up with something better than his proclamations of love alternating with pushing her to tell her secrets.
Well said Thomas. I like how he's being. And beautiful dresses! Btw why don't we ever hear anything of that exceptional vision of Hope's which apparently is even evolving. What is it all about? Or are the writers too lazy to come up with something.
HFTF used to be clear if you watched the episode before they changed the actress And it was a success like big time with thomas But i guess the only way for the writers to keep thomas around is to make him tje only option because they are so weak to come up with a good and strong storyline
@Milla I liked it when Bill called him "Samauri." Yes, you can notice that their writing of the writers are of pure laziness or their marbles in their heads are rattling with ideas anymore, they are being dumb founded. ðĨī
Bill can't come up with anything better than dress maker because he has only one joke to milk to death. .Sheila knows she isn't in love with Bill, and his pushing for her secrets should push her away entirely. It's all too fast, too wrong and plain Yuch!? eecth (Can't spell the sound, but in the family of eeww.) C'mon she hates kissing him she looks like he just did something disgusting. She seems like she doesn't care about money much which is Bill's only attractive quality. Deacon seemed to "buy" the "no pre-nup," as true love. Bill couldn't do anything if she never admitted to anything. I wish she would give him red herrings and he would look stupid reporting them. She could leave, he couldn't send her to jail at all without the confessions. He would deserve the cost of the operation since he failed it. I would hope to see Ridge making fun of Bill at every opportunity in a girly voice acting like he's doing such a service boning Sheila every night.
Hah indeed samurai was new ð I still don't understand what is Ridge's role in all this apart from the non-funny exchanges. He's just looking and saying "come on Spencer". At first I was excited they came up with the 2 working together but this "work" is a bit pointless. Maybe Ridge is supposed to be giving him tips in romanticizing.
Ah yes 10+ years ago they did talk about the vision of Hope more clearly but those were different times. Now it's simply repeated all the time Hope's vision but what is that? Show us something, show us a reel of hers on tiktok or a "spend the day with me" ðĪĢ
I knew Sheila would have issues with Bill’s approach. No multi- billionaire isn’t going to ask for a prenup. He is pushing to the “no secrets” etc far too hard. Sheila may be a nutter but she’s very clever.
Deacon pushing her towards Bill was a bit odd. She’s throwing red flags and he says ignore them? He’s usually the suspicious type which makes one wonder.
That dress was gorgeous but completely different then her shabby chic boho style of the past. I too have NO clue what message she’s meant to be putting out there. She mentioned inclusivity before for whom? The ultra wealthy who can afford her clothing line? It’s all upscale boutiques and FC etc. These aren’t even high street fare. I like the new designs much better than their past looks for certain but again what is their goal here?
Bill better step up his game and back off the pressure. He’s acting totally out of character and Sheila isn’t buying it as much as she wants to. He best get on his game face and work harder!
Bbfan Deacon is definitely in on this, telling her not to read into to it to hard and trying to persuade go for it. Bill better pull out that academy performance right now or the whole sting will be a bust. Still love the dialogue between Samurai Sam and Bill. And Hope to me is being a little to friendly considering what has happened in the past .
D, I think Deacon is in on it too. And I also believe that his willing eagerness for her to accept Bill's proposal is what has her questioning things now. They shared a very passionate evening together recently. Now, all of a sudden, he tells her there can't be anything between them again and now he is pushing her to marry Spencer. Sheila ain't no fool. I'm actually quite surprised they all thought they could pull the wool over her eyes.
Agree. As soon as she said to Deacon " so what are you telling me? Don't trust him?" She has now clued in on Deacon as well as Bill and will elude this sting. She's evil but no dummy ðĪŠ.
BBFan it would be hilarious if Sheila marries him, strings him along for an hour after the wedding, transfers half of his money (or more) in an offshore account in her name and flees without spilling anything ðĪĢ
Hope doesn't learn. She needs to stop telling Thomas how well they are together and how happy she is to have him back on the line. I also hope that Thomas does not fall for it this time and stays strong.
Uhhhhh, it was Thomas who kept saying how well they worked together. He said it multiple times in today’s episode. The only thing Hope did was agree with him when he said it. Thomas said…”We work so well together.” Thomas also commented what a “great team” they make. Why are you ladies continuing to point blame toward Hope??? You don’t like when we bash Steffy for what you say is simply for the point of bashing. So quit doing that same thing where Hope is involved. Hope literally walked in today to straighten Thomas out about the “Thomas is hot” comment. She is excited about the beautiful new designs and her new collection. And if those designs come from Thomas, then he deserves praise. Hope is giving Thomas praise for his beautiful dresses. Nothing more!!! Thomas was also the one having all those flashbacks today about “what a great team they are.” Or did you not see that part of the episode??!! ððð
I’m still not convinced Deacon is in on it. If he was, then why aren’t they listening in on the conversations in Deacon’s Apt like they are listening in on the Bill / Sheila conversations?? It seems odd that they would have no way of monitoring the Deacon exchanges. So I still maintain Deacon’s feelings for the psycho lady are legit. And remember this thing with Deacon and Sheila has been going on for many months. Long before anyone else even knew she was alive. So things don’t add up that Deacon would be in on it. But I guess we’ll all find out soon enough.
ðððð If people think that what Hope was doing with Thomas could be considered flirting, then in my career dozens upon dozens of men have flirted with me without my knowledge. Which of course is ridiculous And what is more funny calling hope names while cheering for someone like thomas ðð Really how delusional just because someone want to believe that And this still has feelings is most hilarious I really would like to know when exactly hope had ever feelings for thomas As i said blaming the victim for the offender’s behavior And just a small reminder Hope said to paris if i said he is hot can we get back to work and hope added but my husband is the hottest man in the world Then disgusting paris go on on saying that how thomas is crazy about hope make his so attractive hope replies “WORK” then finally paris shuts up ðĪŪ
On the Deacon thing, I haven’t read any spoilers. So you may very well be correct. I’m just speaking from what I’ve noticed in watching the show. But I absolutely hope Deacon IS in on it. Otherwise, he’s gonna lose everything when it comes out! I used to really like Deacon. But all this Sheila yuck has made him very undesirable!!!
No Mmysh I think all we are saying she is too friendly considering past history. I would think she would be more stand offish with Thomas. But maybe I'm delusional...its just my opinion.
Yes lynn i totally agree with you about deacon He is so stupid getting involved with sheila after what she’s done to steffy and finn or brook even But still i hope he will not lose everything Will see
No d dear There is a big difference between saying its too friendly and flirting So any of us if our boss was praising out good work so he is flirting?? And in when point i agree with you hope should not take him even if she lose her line But that who she is a lovely caring person who believes people can change and always see the good in them And she loves her career She doesn’t have to change her good nature because of anyone If hope had ever have feelings for thomas she would have yes to his proposal in cabo Or at least slept with while she was married to him She couldn’t even kiss him
And lynn at least we “bash” steffy on a valid points which is not bash as much as criticism We write about her actual behavior and motives We don’t bash her for things are not there at all And when she did the right thing we also praise her
The whole idea of Thomas being the lead designer is that Hope and Thomas will have to collaborate. If Steffy had concerns, she should have never pushed the Thomas idea. This whole conversation is ridiculous. How is Hope supposed to act “standoffish” when she is literally working as a team with Thomas?? This Thomas thing should have NEVER even been suggested, much less pushed by Steffy if Hope can’t simply be herself. Absurd beyond absurd!
Exactly lynn You know something maybe if steffy talked to hope on another way better than this interrogation was especially with her mouth head and eyes movements maybe like how she was supporting her with Douglas Telling her Paris bring up again the other day the thomas is hot thing I give her a warning to stop this childish gossip But i would like to know if there is i should worry about What really happened when you told Paris that?? If steffy did these i will not see it wrong But Her way was totally wrong not to mention not believing hope And then the way she was telling finn like she was assuring that hope is attracted to thomas
In all these years every time Thomas has hit in Hope, she has rejected him, including right after her show when she was super mad at Liam for not showing up, and after she supposedly said to Paris (who was pushing her), okay fine he’s hot. If she really felt something for him, coupled with her anger at Liam, Hope would have let the kiss happen for a little bit at least before pulling away. Instead, she shut him down right away and was really mad at him too for trying. She forgave him afterward but after the CPS call, she was super resistant to having him back at work. The only time she changed her tune was when she was in danger of losing her line altogether. Now, they’re suddenly turning this into Hope having some secret crush that’s going to cause a problem. There was no inappropriate looks or body language yesterday as Hope discussed the drawings with Thomas but Steffy’s face was all oooh and ahhhh looking at them talk. How lame, and the whole he’s hot comment is so stupid because Paris literally pushed Hope until she said something to shut her up. Hope has had a million opportunities to be with Thomas if she wanted to do I don’t know why she wouldn’t have taken them if she so desired him.
Oh on the Deacon thing I was thinking the same. Again some misguided attempt of the writers to create mystery on some point. They are going out of their way to not reveal it, but there are terrible plot holes. Like you said, why not monitoring at his? Why not clueing him in on the plan. He always looks extra tense trying to seem aware but not too much ð ð
Thanks Mmysh for reminding what Hope actually said and about Liam too. She's not stupid, she knows how to be kind but also not leave any questions. Only people like Steffy and Paris are looking to blow things out of proportion in a way not suitable for grownup women (especially CEOs). Hope for me is now even more than ever committed to Liam, a man who has showed to her she's the one, the most important thing in his life in a way he never has with anyone.
Milla, you are right, Deacon does always look tense. Or straight up goofy when he and Sheila are gettin’ busy!! Lol. I’m still holding out hope that Deacon’s a good guy. But like you said, plot holes galore.
Lynn I would also love to see him show backbone where Sheila is concerned and be a hero for once. Would be really great. And if both men and FBI(!!) have done their job they would know he is gold for their operation so would be really dumb not to include him. Who knows maybe they surprise us! ð
D, I think maybe we are all delusional in thinking that Hope needs to put some distance between her and Thomas. I know that if a man had done to me, my husband and my child the things Thomas has done to Hope, Liam and Beth, and I was "forced" (even though it was my choice) to work with that man, no way was I going to be working so closely together with him. NO WAY! But I guess, because it's Hope and she is such a good person and she shouldn't change for anything or anyone, it's okay for her to continue to just throw caution to the wind and continue to be all up in Thomas' personal space. I guess it's easier to blame Steffy for giving her an ultimatum and also blame Thomas for his Thomasness. ðĪĶðŧ♀️
ðððð oh elle you don’t read unfortunately you only look and prepare the answers in your jead without understanding our my comments And btw we are putting the blame in the right place not because it’s easier Sure will not blame the victim because we like the offender
And good that you would put distance between the monster and yourself, but in this case there was no way for Hope to have her line without him. Because Steffy (in all her mighty CEOness which is nothing but questionable especially where brother is concerned) said so. And Hope is not jumping on Thomas‘ neck or in any way encouraging anything. You are saying she should be standoffish or whatever but she shouldn’t. She was told by multiple people has nothing to worry about. Or are you questioning Steffy‘s supreme judgment? ð
I'm not blaming Hope or anyone else for anything. All I am saying is that Hope needs to be careful with the way she is around Thomas and the things she says to him because, in the past, he took it the wrong way.
Milla, Hope's options were to carry on with HFTF with Thomas or halt production on the line. The line was not performing well. It makes absolutely no sense to continue to put money into resources to keep the line afloat if the line is not bringing in any profits. That is basic business 101. Steffy, as CEO, knows this. She and the board did not want to just tell Hope that they were cutting the line and that was the end of that so, they decided that since the line was so successful with Thomas as lead designer, they can bring him back to avoid shelving the line for good. When Steffy spoke to Hope, it was not an ultimatum, it was letting her know that hey, the line is not bringing in revenue so we will need to squash it. The only option would be to bring Thomas back BUT ONLY IF YOU, HOPE, ARE OKAY WITH IT.
This was purely a business decision, and Hope knew it as well because, according to her, they had been looking for a new designer for months but she could not find one that understood her vision. So it's not like Steffy wanted to pull the line without trying to save it first. They had tried. Bringing Thomas back was the last resort so the board decided that Steffy would speak to Hope about it. Both Eric and Carter also agreed to bringing Thomas back yet, you blame Steffy like it was a unilateral decision on her part. Hope had a difficult decision to make but it's not like she didn't knew that this is where they were headed. She was the one that went to Steffy about bringing Thomas back in the first place so she was willing to have Thomas on the line again just to save it. And when it came down to it, despite telling her husband that she was not going to bring Thomas back, she did anyway. And I'm not blaming her because, at the end of the day, she does not want to lose her line. However, while bringing Thomas back was good for the line, she also needs to not put herself in harm's way where Thomas is concerned. Thomas is saying that he is working hard to be a better person and better father and while that's all well and good, Hope should not just say "Oh, I believe you, Thomas" and continue to work closely with him. She has been down this road before believing in him and where did it get her?
With thomas‘s sick mind anything hope will do he can take as a sign She was just nice and praising his hard work and change and taking the steps by apologizing to the people he hurts especially her mother Which is good for his process She isn’t flirting or try to seduce him or something She is encouraging him to do the work And she was straight to him about the thomas is hot thing What else she should do Its not on her It was a normal interaction between them For me she shouldn’t take him back from the first place But i can get her reasons for not to lose her line and professional dreams And btw she told him more than once the minutes she feels any messed up behavior he is gone And make it clear there is no feelings or attraction And thing thomas misunderstand its on him So she should always put a sulky face around him and don’t praise his brilliant designs and the work on him he is trying to do so she will not be considered too friendly?
Elle, thank you for making our point for us….which is THOMAS CAN NOT BE TRUSTED!!! So why are Steffy and Dr Taylor (ðð) continuing to believe wholeheartedly that he has changed?? Why are they shoving Thomas onto Hope? Even your precious Steffy is clearly playing games if on one hand she is saying….”I truly believe my brother is a changed man.” While on the other hand, Steffy is warning Hope…”Watch your step, lady.” So what does Steffy REALLY believe???? That’s the question you should be asking yourself. And don’t even get me started on the world renowned psychiatrist (who is about as gullible as they come.) Mary Sunshine Taylor will never see her son for who he truly is. Not ever! I honestly don’t think you are correct that Steffy is just trying to make sure that Hope doesn’t send the wrong message. I genuinely believe (based on Steffy’s words) that she is concerned Hope may have feelings for her brother. And that is LAUGHABLE!
In this last case Elle, because Steffy made her. Apparently she’s not capable to find on this whole planet another designer who hadn’t turned Hopes life into a nightmare. Or rather not willing. Good that you’re not blaming Hope, let’s agree nobody is blaming anyone, we are exploring, but the whole brining Thomas back came from Steffy and was started by her mama, the very best person to initiate business related decisions. Yes Hope in a moment of desperation after a review *asked* her if that’s what they should do, why was Steffy so firmly against it so much back then and only after mama made her find the love, she also found the CEO decision? ð
And Lynn spot on, that’s a question to be addressed, because it came from Steffy, not from Hope.
Elle, we (LF’s) keep saying the same thing. As Milla said above…The reason Hope allowed Thomas back in is because she was given an impossible choice. It wasn’t like Steffy was saying, “We will have to pause your line, Hope…until we find the right designer to replace Thomas.” Steffy literally gave Hope two choices and TWO choices only. And they were….take Thomas back, or your line is done. What kind of “choice” is that?? As Hope stated, she LOVES her line. It’s a very important part of her life. Huge in fact. It was not a decision she made lightly. She WAS pushed into a corner whether you accept it or not. And like Milla said, Thomas IS NOT the only designer capable of keeping the line alive. They simply just needed to give it more time and keep interviewing. But that wouldn’t have made for a juicy storyline. So here we are.
Exactly ladies the timing of steffy’s decision that’s whats make not a business decision And you said yourself hope suggested first and they still don’t know how ridge will react so almost it wasn’t a board decision
Very well said ladies. Lynn - I was just writing the same thing - the option of canceling the line is not an option at all. It's not like being given an option of fish or steak, it's like option of fish or nothing. If I want a "nothing" I wouldn't come to the party and, there, I have given myself the "choice" and don't need Steffy for that.
And Elle how would Steffy assess the statement that working with Thomas is Hope "putting herself in harm's way"? So now was Steffy right to stand up for Thomas, to go on and on about how he's changed (after one heart to heart brought to you by Taylor) or is he a risk? Because it can't be both ways. Either Hope is safe or Steffy is wrong.
Exactly milla the as you or lynn said Taylor and steffy saying we believe thomas is changed but hope you need to watch YOUR behavior so not to prove is wrong
@D Oh dear. Don't worry about it. They keep saying the same things over and over while conveniently ignoring key points to prove their points. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me but anyhoo... I'm pretty sure that Thomas and Hope working so closely together is gonna lead to something eventually. And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF.
Elle, that’s pretty funny. How are you not doing the exact same thing….”ignoring our points to make your point?” You seem to be just as guilty. But there were lots of things stated by Milla, Mmysh and myself that you simply chose not to address. And you wrote above that “you are certain it’s NOT gonna be Thomas slipping up again.” That’s a wager I would take any day of the week. Cuz it’s for sure gonna be Thomas slipping up again. Because that’s just what Thomas does. His good guy act will be very shoot lived and he’ll fall back into his old ways before much time passes.
Elle key points ð give me a break! You're the one who has no answer to the main glaring discrepancies of your own theories, now again - "it won't be Thomas slipping up"? Then what are you fighting for, what was the whole "Hope should be more standoffish" (or whatever you wanted her to be other than how she is with any other human on the show) and not "put herself in harm's way" about?
Lynn, I am not ignoring anything. I addressed most of the things you've all said in previous blogs but you keep bringing it up over and over. I'm not going to repeat myself. And yes, key points such as Eric and Carter both agreeing to bringing Thomas back but you ignore it in order to vilify Steffy. Or the fact that Hope stated that they had been searching for a designer for months but couldn't find one who understood her vision yet, it is ignored again to make it seem like Steffy just got to the office one day and decided to give Hope an ultimatum. Or how about Eric, Carter, Steffy and Hope having the conversation some weeks ago about HFTF's less than stellar reviews in the media. There was a whole backstory to this but to listen to y'all, Steffy is a big ole B for wanting to kill Hope's vision for no apparent reason
And regarding what doesn't make sense to me is Hope working so closely with Thomas after he has hurt her over and over again and y'all supporting it. Just last year, y'all were against Hope being so close with Thomas and refusing to listen to her mother and husband. Some terrible things were said about her back then but now, it's a complete 180. That doesn't make any sense to me, no matter how hard I try to wrap my head around it.
@Milla My theories? What theories? That in order not to be hurt by Thomas again, Hope should put some distance or boundaries between them? That's common sense. What discrepancies does that simple theory contain? I did not make the comment about being standoffish so I can't respond to that but my point about Thomas not slipping up was in response to y'all saying that Hope told Thomas that if he slips up again, he will be out. All I'm saying is that I'm certain that's not where this storyline is headed - with Thomas slipping up and Hope kicking him out.
But what does the slip up entail for you? Isn't a slip up what would show him as dangerous and obsessed? My understanding was that you first were saying that some boundaries (what is that also?) are needed in order for Hope to not be in danger by Thomas. Then - "but Thomas won't slip up"? So what is she in danger of as per you? You need to make your position regarding Thomas a bit more clear because there is a huge contradiction between saying he won't slip up, supporting Steffy's stance that he's a safe changed man AND saying that not to be "in harm's way" she needs "boundaries" on what is shown to us as Hope just smiling and appreciative like she is with any colleague.
And I think I mentioned already that 1. Nobody is "supporting" Hope working with Thomas. We just know there was no other option to her given by Steffy ("no collection" is not an option and she's the CEO, albeit going over her dad in that decision; it's not Carter's or Eric's final word but hers and Ridge's). What would be the point for us to complain now that she's working with Thomas? 2. There was a huge difference in Hope's behavior before the showing, she was acting like a brat, lashing out at reasonable loving people who saw Thomas exactly for who he was being, while Thomas was so obviously manipulative (even apart from CPS) especially using Douglas and she didn't want to see it. Now her behavior isn't anywhere close to that so why would we want her to change?
Milla, I can't recall saying that Thomas won't slip up. You'll have to point out where I said that.
I keep hearing that Hope has told Thomas that if he slips up again, he's out. I'm addressing that statement in it's entirety, that we will not see a storyline where Thomas slips up and Hope will kick him off the line. Why I said that is because Hope is desperate enough to keep her line afloat and that means keeping Thomas on as lead designer. So there is no way that she will kick him off the line. That's why I don't have much belief in her making that statement. Hope does not always stand by her word.
Not supporting her working with Thomas and y'all stating that she should absolutely continue being her normal self around Thomas while working closely together with him are 2 conflicting statements. It's either you support her working closely with him or you don't.
Steffy and Ridge as CEOs have to answer to the Board. No decision by them can be the final word without Board approval. They can suggest or recommend but they cannot decide. That's the role of the Board. As CEO, she has the job of relaying the decision of the Board to Hope.
Eric and Zende designing on HFTF was the first attempt to keep the line afloat. After the not so stellar reviews, they tried finding another designer which, according to Hope, they could not find after months of searching. Then the numbers for the line showed that the line was under-performing so the Board decided that they would have to pause the line or bring Thomas back. They also decided that a condition for Thomas returning was ONLY if Hope agreed to it. There was no ultimatum or impossible choice because Hope knew that the line was in danger of being halted all along. That was a given. Bringing Thomas back was a consideration that was given to her. She did not have to agree and Steffy told her that because she understood that Hope's feelings about Thomas would be a deciding factor.
Elle I was the one that said "standoffish". Like you mentioned somewhere up there if you (and I too) were in this kind of position as Hope is, I would be a little more assertive (not so sweet and friendly) when giving Thomas compliments and appraises and her body language when giving the compliments says a lot. Mmysh your comment about the dozens of men in your career flirting with you without your knowledge? The body language is the tell all when it comes to a friendly or flirty compliment. No one is saying Hope should change her good nature, I'm saying she's just a little too sweet and watch her body language when she compliments him. If you don't wan to start a fire, don't light the match.
Elle, your comment about “Thomas NOT slipping up” was on March 25th at 8:01 pm. You were addressing D in your comment. You only have to scroll up just a little bit to find it. As far as all of us calling Steffy a big ol’ bitch, that’s not remotely true. I made a comment like that once in the last 2 weeks or so because she had a big ol’ shit eatin’ grin on her face when she told Thomas that Hope working with him again was going to cause trouble between Hope and Liam. I commented there was nothing funny about that, and I did not think it was OK that she had a big grin on her face as she discussed Hope’s potential marriage troubles with Thomas! Our main points of discussion have been Steffy’s ridiculous concerns about Hope having her sights set on Thomas in some romantic way. And how Steffy seems to have all these concerns about Hope’s feelings for Thomas, when she should only be concerned about her brother’s intentions! And I call BULL on your addressing what we’ve written. We have had soooooo many valid points that you’ve completely ignored. You haven’t begun to address even half of them. But I have a busy day planned. So will have to pick this up later.
And OF COURSE we are against Hope working with Thomas again!!! But what choice does she have??!! For the 100th time, she was given an ultimatum of losing her livelihood. She has had that line at FC for a very long time and throwing her career in the trash can because of Steffy’s ultimatum was not an option.
Oh gosh... Don't know even where to start. Elle you said twice that Thomas won't slip up. "And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF." And then a similar one. So again for the millionth of time - if he won't slip up, what's there to worry from Hope's side? What are her boundaries/standoffishness etc supposed to prevent? Or do you see a "slip up" as something different than showing his crazy/obsessed with her/devious side? To me that's what it means and that's what Hope would have to protect herself from. But as per Steffy he is fine, safe,changed! As per you he won't slip up. I don't know how many times in how many ways me, Lynn, Mmysh can explain this glaring hole in your reasoning. Maybe D, BBFan, anyone can understand and give their 5 cents, you usually understand each other perfectly, they would know what you people mean with "slip up" and they can chime in how can this combined statement make sense: Hope should be with boundaries/less smiling to a very unlikely to slip up, changed, safe Thomas! WHY?!?
And no it's not contradictory regarding our "support" and I'll tell you why even though Lynn already did. And so did Mmysh. We don't support Hope working together with Thomas. We support Hope doing what she loves. We don't support her being pushed in the corner and having to give up her line - the "nothing" choice on the menu. Why would she have to sacrifice because management is incapable and Thomas is disturbed? They gave her one chance, one choice to live her vision, to continue doing the job she loves and is great at. That's what we support. It's not on us, on her to manage the danger of Thomas in the equation, to worry about it. Why? You guessed it right - because brilliant Steffy guaranteed for him. He's on "your" side, on Steffy's side to watch and if and when he screws up, to account for because she brought him back.
Still not seeing where I said that Thomas will not slip up. My entire argument regarding Hope working so closely with Thomas is for her guarding herself in the event he does slip up! You, Lynn, even thanked me for making the point that Thomas could not be trusted. Maybe you and Milla misunderstood what I said. And you can go right ahead and call bs on whatever you want to. I believe I've already addressed all of your points, valid or not.
Anyway, thank you for finally agreeing with me that Hope should not be working so closely with Thomas again. That was all that D and myself were trying to get across. I don't agree though, that she doesn't have a choice because as I also keep saying, she can put distance between them. Zende, as far as I know, should still be on the line, so how about Thomas pass his designs through Zende where Hope could then make whatever changes she needs to make. Or, since Thomas and Steffy are always in the office together, how about he runs the designs by Steffy then she can meet with Hope to discuss them. There are several options for Hope where she doesn't have to work so closely with Thomas. And since Thomas has said that he is clear on there being no inappropriate behavior from him toward Hope, then he should not have any issues with boundaries being placed between them. Hope should not have any issues either since she said that she's not attracted to Thomas.
And thanks for the very obvious explanation CEOs answer to board ðĪĶðŧ♀️. Still Steffy came up with Thomas after her Mama pushed for "the love". It's not Carter or Eric. She's not the messenger in this equation. She is the boss. So it is on her.
When you say "not going to be Thomas slipping up" what else can you possibly mean than "won't slip up". It's literally just a different tense of the verb ððĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️
And no we're not in agreement about "working so closely with Thomas". I said very clearly what I mean - that Hope shouldn't have had to work with Thomas. In your version she is the one putting herself in his proximity. We call it her being her normal self like with everyone. If he's sane he shouldn't be affected. And honest to God I'll never say that damn word "slip up" again. Thomas is either a safe to work with man or not. Is he or isn't he? Should Hope put boundaries between herself and him or not? If he's safe to work with, she shouldn't. If he's not, he shouldn't be there.
And honest to God I'll never say that damn word "slip up" again. Thomas is either a safe to work with man or not. Is he or isn't he? Should Hope put boundaries between herself and him or not? If he's safe to work with, she shouldn't. If he's not, he shouldn't be there.
And no Hope can't have Zende be some sort of middle man between herself and Thomas passing designs back and forth ð . If I'm him I'll quit and maybe even call discrimination on being demoted in this way. Plus in practice you see how they coaborate directly exchanging ideas and checking on the models. They can put Zende there as some sort of watchdog (again so wrong) but would only prove once again that Thomas is not to be trusted and Steffy was wrong to call him a changed man.
Btw as astonishing as it may seem by the number, some of my comments are disappearing again (Bob? ð ) but I thought it would be easier to try to address different points in different comments. Hopefully they will reappear.
Oh D a sick mind can consider a hi as sign that person is interested Things doesn’t work that why Hope’s body language is normal But sure you are not accepting see it that way coz you want to defend thomas in any way even turning the logic up side down But know dear things in real life don’t work that way And also at work Unless when your boss or colleagues praising your good work or how a good person you are you consider that flirting So yeah then i can understand why you see hope is flirting here
And please D provide us with an analysis about hope’s body language which you see as flirting Maybe we can learn for ourselves too Since you are a BL expert
If I may, I believe Elle was saying that she doesn’t think we’ll see Hope firing Thomas even if he does slip up. She will more likely rationalise it to save her line. That’s how I read it.
By the by, Hope didn’t get ONE chance to save her line. It has been doing poorly for a very long time. That big fashion preview with Thomas, the they had just before the whole CPS call was proof of that.
Do you remember Hope begging Liam to come because if it failed she would lose her line?? It was already doing so poorly for so long it was going to be shelved. I remember Steffy discussing how she hoped it went well for Hope’s sake since they needed tonnes of orders from it to keep the line.
Hope was hoping she could keep limping along. She had a big flop with Eric and Zende’s designs and had spent months trying to find another designer.
The board meeting talked about how given that the numbers continued dropping they couldn’t give her anymore time to fix it.
Point being that HFTF had been failing for a very long time and Hope brought Thomas on to save it initially which he did!!
Then the incident and he was out of Forrester. Last ditch effort to bring Thomas back of Hope agreed. She knew she was out of chances. Forrester cannot keep bailing them out so she had to suck it up, out in her big girl knickers and get on with it.
Elle I agree that especially since Thomas and Hope are on the same page with designs he can work on them without all the private meetings etc. Thomas can submit his designs Hope can look them over and suggest tweaks etc. There really isn’t any need to be cloistered in the office all the time. There must be an actual design office in a huge multinational Fashion House like Forrester!! Surely! Hope could pop by or have a team meeting etc. Liam would certainly be happier about that as well.
Point is there are loads of ways they can work together, be kind and supportive without alone together all the time.
Be reasonable now. Honestly I would think Hope would be more comfortable that way anyway.
It was good she cleared the air about the hot statement.
Mmysh I also never got a clear picture of what the hell is wrong with a young woman smiling and talking like a human being. That's ALL we've seen from Hope. I'll never agree that she should bend over backwards God forbid Thomas' fragile normality is disturbed. Steffy shouldn't have campaigned for him so hard (yes that was her, not Carter or Eric) and promising he's no danger. That's the bottom line.
Exactly milla i really really would like to know the analysis of her BL so we can all benefit from it ð Because i think you all ladies including me are nice people not bullies or mean girls i mean all of us her We interact with others in this same nice civilized and friendly way So if someone with sick mind took any of it that we are into them its on them not us So …
Don’t worry elle she will even it means losing her line which been working great for decades and thomas was not even in the picture But now its the only way for thomas character to have a storyline Maybe RJ will fill his space So thomas needs to keep himself in check for his sake not HFTF And its my opinion of course
I'm only now seeing Milla's comment at 12:32 pm and I have to say "wow!" You went on an entire rant off of a statement I made which you misunderstood. It's not that serious.
No Elle I took that comment the same way. ...its late here and I'm going to bed after reading now I'm a sick delusional person. Mmysh I am not a "BL" expert . All I'm trying to say if it were me in Hope's situation I would be a little more cold (stand offish) in the praises and Bbfan explained a few.things better than I can at this time of night. ðī it's got nothing to do with being a FFan or Lfan. That keeps getting thrown in there as well.
Elle I didn't misunderstand. You wrote it over and over like that "Thomas won't be the one slipping up", which many people of course will translate like "he won't be the one slipping up". And kept asking me where you said it? ððð serious wtf?! Either way I said I won't be using this word anyway, I didn't start it and it was my mistake I went with it. The bottom line is if Thomas is SAFE, SANE colleague who is not a danger to Hope like your precious CEO claims and Hope thus wouldn't need to worry and put whatever ridiculous boundaries you think. And to this question you have no answer and it's finally obvious to me.
Mmysh I agree. Of course I myself would have put Thomas in prison if it was real life, but in the show a character is being a kind person so they shouldn't have to put "distance" and "boundaries" (nobody of them explained what the hell that means) with someone who as per CEO is safe. And with this I'm done discussing this ridiculous non-issue.
Really how she was just civilized and excited about the line She is not a mean person or a bully like some And her words was only about his work But yeah she should have praise his work with mean sulky face ðð What she is doing is normal as i said a only a sick mind will consider such works or BL towards them a sign or something But anyway since thomas is change does she need that or she can be herself like she is with normal people Or we come up with things are not even there just to defend thomas and blame hope( the victim)
"But yeah she should have praise his work with mean sulky face" lol now I imagined that ðð you really improved my mood dear!
And there was a suggestion to put Zende as middle man to bring designs to and from Hope to Thomas ð yeah that's a message you want to put on the show plus it would never work the way they are collaborating - directly on the model with the fabric.
"Or we come up with things are not even there" also very true words Mmysh ð
I totally understand you milla And let me assure you if hope did what she supposed to do as they proposed im sure she will be mean and cold and ungrateful, and it happened several times i remember how she was with flo and remember the comments but anyway that was flo not thomas so the same standards don’t go with her as with thomas And i keep thinking about zande being the messenger between them Yeah is he is a mail man or the job itself will be solved by writing an email I would really love this solution I love thomas being away from hope As much as i see hope the real mother to Douglas i really wish the bring Caroline so no tie will be there between hope and thomas But this zende being the middle man it can’t be executed in such job Especially with thomas being the lead designer not like a part of the designers team
And milla i just read an Spoiler Artikel Its really interesting About thomas and hope So long story short liam will keep not trusting thomas and afraid that thomas with manipulate the situation So it will create some tension in hope’s marriage So thomas with help with this collection and step out so he will not cause issues and will try to find another replacement and teach them so hope will not lose the line And move to another line in FC So maybe and i wish he is really changed And his storyline will not be only around hope and obsession The actor has so potentials But was funny ð in how they started the article and i quote: Since Steffy Forrester (Jacqueline MacInnes Wood) backed Hope into a corner with an ultimatum, Hope had to let Thomas make a comeback to keep her line alive.: It was really funny reading that I think most spoilers websites see it as an ultimatum not exactly a choice
There are another 50 comments. So didn’t read them all. Here is a copy and paste of your comment Elle. Not sure why it was difficult to find this…..
ElleMarch 25, 2023 at 8:01 PM @D Oh dear. Don't worry about it. They keep saying the same things over and over while conveniently ignoring key points to prove their points. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me but anyhoo... I'm pretty sure that Thomas and Hope working so closely together is gonna lead to something eventually. And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF.
Milla and Mmysh, you are both spot on!! ððŧððŧððŧððŧ And Mmysh, I love that article that you read that said the EXACT same thing we’ve been saying all along!! Perfection!! Well at least the people who write the official commentary for the show agree with what we are saying, even if Elle doesn’t see the light. Truly none of what we are saying here is rocket science. Lol.
Also Elle, like I stated in an earlier comment….Your precious Steffy is actually worried about Hope’s intentions toward Thomas, not the other way around. Steffy has made that point very clear. That’s part of what has the LF’s so annoyed with Steffy. Steffy is not telling Hope to keep a healthy distance from Thomas, because she is worried Thomas may get the wrong idea (like you’ve been saying.) Steffy is actually concerned that Hope is somehow crushing on Thomas. And that just makes Steffy look even more foolish!!! How in the hell in her wildest dreams could Steffy ever be concerned about that??!! It’s so completely ridiculous! And as Milla stated, it was Taylor and Steffy who pushed the idea of bringing Thomas back. The idea did NOT come from Eric or Carter. It WAS Steffy!! Eric and Carter just didn’t shut her down is all. And I find it funny that Steffy hasn’t been able to talk to Ridge about the whole Thomas return…and as a result Ridge hasn’t even signed off on it!!! And yet oddly, Brooke’s dad can get ahold of Ridge to have a chat!!! ððð Give me a break! Doesn’t look like Steffy is trying too terribly hard to get ahold of her dad!! ððð
Exactly dear lynn I really wish we can move from the thomas obsession storyline give the guy a break And now there is even no need for him to hate brook also So try a new storyline Even though i will miss our cat fights here Its only goes long when thomas is involved But maybe we still have steffy ðð And i read also maybe shuna will be back not only RJ So i hope there will be an interesting storylines in ahead of us ð
Omg Lynn thank you for that - how was Steffy not able to discuss with her father CEO such an important decision, but Stephen directly got a hold of him. And on your earlier point about Steffy's grin, connected with the last one why is she worries about Hope's “crush” (which, she must know by the years and years of NO of Hope and the resulting madness, is Not Happening) - it is interesting why is she invested in that? For the line/business - hardly. Everyone has been involved with everyone on this company and the business is fine. Because of Thomas - but no, he's safe and sane and in therapy and overall not a danger. To me she still would like the stir up trouble and to have to say to anyone that will listen "eh but what will that mean for Hope and Liam ð ". She still hasn't been shown saying it to her mom.
And Mmysh it's absolutely Thomas the engine of all our discussions and I hope he never leaves ð ð maybe they will give him some better storylines to keep showing his unique persona but without harming Hope. And Steffy yes she won't go away. So looking forward to young RJ returning. I don't remember much what he was up to before he left? I remember he was all up with the spectra women but was he a designer himself?
Lynn/Milla, let me see if I can once again try to explain my comment which you ladies misunderstood. And I've always thought y'all to be intelligent ladies so I'm not sure that I believe y'all misunderstood my comment but rather, was just trying to stir the pot and make something else out of what I said. But hey, either way, ya'll were wrong.
The exact comment was: "And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF," it was not "Thomas won't be the one slipping up" as Milla posted above. Those are 2 completely different statements.
Use of the word "it's" before the word "NOT" indicates that there was a subject word or phrase that was being referred to. In the case of my comment, which Lynn copied and pasted in full, "it's (or it is)" was referring to the aforementioned phrase "Thomas and Hope working so closely together is gonna lead to something eventually." It was not relative to Thomas slipping up, it was relative to where "Thomas and Hope working so closely together" is leading and I was saying that it will most certainly NOT lead to "Thomas slipping up and Hope kicking him out." My comment was a direct response to the excuse by y'all that Hope told Thomas that if he slips up, he will be out of HFTF. I was simply stating that I am quite certain that the storyline between these 2 is not going to come to that. When you, Milla, stated that I had said that Thomas will not slip up, I had no idea what you were talking about because I knew that I had never said that. I even quoted where Lynn had thanked me for making the point that Thomas couldn't be trusted.
Regarding what Steffy thinks about Hope's feelings toward her brother and what I think about Hope working so closely together, I'm not sure why you compared the 2 but, my opinion is just that, my opinion. Whatever Steffy is concerned about has nothing to do with my opinion. I am of the firm belief that if a woman (like Hope) has had a repeatedly bad history with a man (like Thomas), she should try keeping her distance from him. She shouldn't be working closely with him, smiling at him, telling him that she is happy to have him back etc. Common sense should tell her that he may get the wrong message again. And yes, she also has a responsibility in this regard because she knows how Thomas feels about her. This is why, and here is where I will have to agree with Steffy, I question Hope's feelings for Thomas. She has already admitted that she thinks he is hot. Maybe her attraction for him is why she continues to let him in and refuses to put distance between them.
And speaking of Steffy's statement about Hope's attraction for Thomas, Milla, regarding my non-answer to your comment about Steffy saying that Thomas is sane and safe and not a danger to Hope, she never said that, hence I cannot respond to you comment. She did say to Hope however, that Thomas is making significant changes in his life and she knows that he is not obsessed with Hope anymore however, her concern was with Hope finding Thomas attractive. In their conversation, Steffy did not align her stance about Hope's possible attraction to Thomas with any safety issues where Hope is concerned so I'm not sure why y'all are insisting that Steffy's concern about Hope's possible attraction to Thomas has something to do with "...Hope thus wouldn't need to worry and put whatever ridiculous boundaries you think."
I think, in y'all's attempts to find holes in what I've posted, y'all are getting confused. My stance regarding Hope is simply about her putting some distance between her and Thomas so that there is no repeat of what has happened between them in the past. Steffy's stance on Hope is one of concern regarding Hope's possible feelings for her brother and how it can affect HFTF. To be clear, Hope's safety has nothing to do with Steffy's concern about whether or not Hope is attracted to Thomas.
Milla i don’t wanted thomas to leave I want them to give another interesting storyline And i don’t recall RJ doing any designs But you know he will inherit the talent from ERIC just like thomas ððð
Mmysh so I guess he was just studying ð and yes!! He is definitely going to be a designer ðĪĐ Btw don’t watch CBS promos for next week! For once, they are TOO revealing what will happen ð
Elle sorry I ain’t reading that ð Maybe the others would want to but I’ve moved on like I said.
I think Mmysh was being ironic because both RJ and Thomas are not Forrester (by blood) and somehow they have the designing talent and not the blood Forrester children.
ðŦĢ Hello, Milla and Mmysh, as soon as my comment published, I understood exactly what you meant by your tongue-in-cheek comment - duh ðĩðŦ - so I attempted to delete it but my service is so spotty that by the time it deleted, you had already responded - a belated, “never mind,” from me. ðŦ
Elle, like Milla said….that was a lot (your comment.) And I simply skimmed it because my eyes started to glaze over. Too funny that you felt the need to give us a syntax lesson. ðððð Yes, Milla, Mmysh and myself are intelligent women, as I am sure you are, Elle. But we shouldn’t have to analyze your sentences to make sense of things. Just keep it simple. Looks like even D read it like we did…that you were saying Thomas wasn’t going to screw up again. So let’s agree you meant one thing, and we all interpreted it as something entirely different.
Personally, I never commented on Hope saying if Thomas screwed up again she would kick him off of HFTF. So perhaps Milla or Mmysh said something along those lines. Not sure. But Hope was standing firm on not bringing Thomas back to the line until Steffy gave gave her the no choice option, at which time Hope finally caved. So don’t be so sure that Hope wouldn’t boot Thomas to the curb if he starts up again with his scheming. I think Hope is becoming less of a pushover as she matures.
As far as what Steffy has said to Hope, she has made it clear that she thinks Hope is attracted to Thomas. And my comment was just that. I said…We are bugged with Steffy because of her ridiculous accusations about Hope’s supposed feelings for Thomas. It’s ludicrous. And I wasn’t referring to you when I made that comment. Although both you and D have commented on Hope’s possible crush on Thomas in quite a few prior comments. Per your comment that “Steffy KNOWS Thomas is no longer obsessed with Hope”….you do realize how completely ridiculous it is that Steffy could “know” any such thing, right??!! Steffy is about as gullible as they come if she genuinely believes that!! Steffy also doesn’t know about Thomas’ attempted kiss at Eric’s house which happened just a few short months ago because Hope never told her.
Lynn im absolutely sure hope told thomas if she feels he did something its the end and he himself said it again They said that while Taylor and steffy left them to talk alone in steffy’s office So yeah hope for sure warned thomas
Mmysh, I believe you. I was just telling Elle that I personally hadn’t made that point to her in prior comments. But I was also telling Elle in my most recent comment above that I could see Hope actually kicking Thomas off the line if he screws up again, because Hope doesn’t put up with nearly as much as she used to. She used to let people walk all over her. But she has been much better lately in not letting people take advantage of her. I like that she has started to grow a backbone! ððŧððŧððŧ
She used to have a very strong opinions and backbone and hoe to stand for herself with the previous actress I don’t know why they changed this with the new one
I’m laughing at the “blood Forrester” comment since all agree to Zende being a Forrester by adoption. Again Stephanie, Ridge’s mother is the one who owned Forrester. Her father bankrolled it and Eric was the lead designer and Forrester head. However it was Stephanie’s company!!! A fact Eric hid from her for many years. So ALL of her children and grandchildren have every right to be there and be a part of it!!
The Logans, all of them work there. RJ is half Logan so I would thing LF’s would be pleased to have him at Forrester.
As far RJ magically appearing and taking Thomas’s place… even though he will be SOARASed, he can’t suddenly have all the years of experience of his big brother. He would be more junior than Zende!
I’m guessing that since he’s Brooke’s son he won’t be forced to work in the mailroom etc like all of the Forresters before him did, Rick and Hope and never had to do what Eric made all the rest of them do. It was a requirement for the others. Zende starred as a photographer at Forrester.
With Katie talking so much about Will, I’m wondering will he be coming back as an adult too so the two can fight over the same woman??
It's silly of Bill to have slipped the cellphone he's been communicating with Ridge through, under the couch. I bet, on Monday, Sheila will eventually agree to marry him after much convincing from Bill and then suddenly Bamb! She finds that cellphone
I was reading about the bold Thomas and paris get drunk together then they end up in bed together then she’s pregnant , and finally her wedding day to xander comes and she never told him she’s pregnant with Thomas s. Baby , if they didn’t change the storyline can’t wait to see it if it happens
Zende and Paris are firmly in the friends zone. They have both stated that. They said the same thing about Zoey coming back pregnant about ten times a year.
Spoilers are literally fan fiction and that occasionally coincide with some small thing that happens.
Unless B&B official puts it out it’s literally just some blogger’s imagination at what might happen.
The wee blurbs we get about what is happening each day are released by CBS the rest is rubbish.
Paris and Thomas may well end up in bed but eewww. He’s got hot models after him that he isn’t living with. Paris would use it to throw in Hope’s face. She’s too ambitious, she’s looking for someone higher up the corporate ladder than Thomas.
Sorry but Ridge and Bill’s exchanges are so flat ðĪĶðŧ♀️ why can't they come up with something more original than "dress-maker"?
ReplyDeleteIf Deacon is "in on it", he's terrible at it. First he wants her out of his life, then he's obsessed with her, now he's swinging between encouraging her engagement and bashing Bill.
Finally someone is being smart and that's Sheila. Bill must come up with something better than his proclamations of love alternating with pushing her to tell her secrets.
Well said Thomas. I like how he's being. And beautiful dresses! Btw why don't we ever hear anything of that exceptional vision of Hope's which apparently is even evolving. What is it all about? Or are the writers too lazy to come up with something.
HFTF used to be clear if you watched the episode before they changed the actress
DeleteAnd it was a success like big time with thomas
But i guess the only way for the writers to keep thomas around is to make him tje only option because they are so weak to come up with a good and strong storyline
@Milla I liked it when Bill called him "Samauri." Yes, you can notice that their writing of the writers are of pure laziness or their marbles in their heads are rattling with ideas anymore, they are being dumb founded. ðĨī
DeleteBill can't come up with anything better than dress maker because he has only one joke to milk to death. .Sheila knows she isn't in love with Bill, and his pushing for her secrets should push her away entirely. It's all too fast, too wrong and plain Yuch!? eecth (Can't spell the sound, but in the family of eeww.) C'mon she hates kissing him she looks like he just did something disgusting. She seems like she doesn't care about money much which is Bill's only attractive quality.
DeleteDeacon seemed to "buy" the "no pre-nup," as true love. Bill couldn't do anything if she never admitted to anything. I wish she would give him red herrings and he would look stupid reporting them. She could leave, he couldn't send her to jail at all without the confessions. He would deserve the cost of the operation since he failed it. I would hope to see Ridge making fun of Bill at every opportunity in a girly voice acting like he's doing such a service boning Sheila every night.
Hah indeed samurai was new ð I still don't understand what is Ridge's role in all this apart from the non-funny exchanges. He's just looking and saying "come on Spencer". At first I was excited they came up with the 2 working together but this "work" is a bit pointless. Maybe Ridge is supposed to be giving him tips in romanticizing.
DeleteAh yes 10+ years ago they did talk about the vision of Hope more clearly but those were different times. Now it's simply repeated all the time Hope's vision but what is that? Show us something, show us a reel of hers on tiktok or a "spend the day with me" ðĪĢ
Milla Brava, ððð.
ReplyDeleteI knew Sheila would have issues with Bill’s approach. No multi- billionaire isn’t going to ask for a prenup. He is pushing to the “no secrets” etc far too hard. Sheila may be a nutter but she’s very clever.
Deacon pushing her towards Bill was a bit odd. She’s throwing red flags and he says ignore them? He’s usually the suspicious type which makes one wonder.
That dress was gorgeous but completely different then her shabby chic boho style of the past. I too have NO clue what message she’s meant to be putting out there. She mentioned inclusivity before for whom? The ultra wealthy who can afford her clothing line? It’s all upscale boutiques and FC etc. These aren’t even high street fare. I like the new designs much better than their past looks for certain but again what is their goal here?
Bill better step up his game and back off the pressure. He’s acting totally out of character and Sheila isn’t buying it as much as she wants to. He best get on his game face and work harder!
@BBFan It looks like she has finally picked up something that isn't right with this picture.
DeleteBbfan Deacon is definitely in on this, telling her not to read into to it to hard and trying to persuade go for it. Bill better pull out that academy performance right now or the whole sting will be a bust. Still love the dialogue between Samurai Sam and Bill. And Hope to me is being a little to friendly considering what has happened in the past .
DeleteD, I think Deacon is in on it too. And I also believe that his willing eagerness for her to accept Bill's proposal is what has her questioning things now. They shared a very passionate evening together recently. Now, all of a sudden, he tells her there can't be anything between them again and now he is pushing her to marry Spencer. Sheila ain't no fool. I'm actually quite surprised they all thought they could pull the wool over her eyes.
DeleteAgree. As soon as she said to Deacon " so what are you telling me? Don't trust him?" She has now clued in on Deacon as well as Bill and will elude this sting. She's evil but no dummy ðĪŠ.
DeleteBBFan it would be hilarious if Sheila marries him, strings him along for an hour after the wedding, transfers half of his money (or more) in an offshore account in her name and flees without spilling anything ðĪĢ
DeleteBuwhahahah oh that would be brilliant actually. That is more Sheila’s style! ððŧððŧððŧ
DeleteTY Bob.. No one can fool around with Sheila Carter not even Bill Spencer!!
ReplyDeleteHope is flirting with Thomas. She's disgusting.
Hope doesn't learn. She needs to stop telling Thomas how well they are together and how happy she is to have him back on the line. I also hope that Thomas does not fall for it this time and stays strong.
DeleteUhhhhh, it was Thomas who kept saying how well they worked together. He said it multiple times in today’s episode. The only thing Hope did was agree with him when he said it. Thomas said…”We work so well together.” Thomas also commented what a “great team” they make. Why are you ladies continuing to point blame toward Hope??? You don’t like when we bash Steffy for what you say is simply for the point of bashing. So quit doing that same thing where Hope is involved.
DeleteHope literally walked in today to straighten Thomas out about the “Thomas is hot” comment. She is excited about the beautiful new designs and her new collection. And if those designs come from Thomas, then he deserves praise. Hope is giving Thomas praise for his beautiful dresses. Nothing more!!! Thomas was also the one having all those flashbacks today about “what a great team they are.” Or did you not see that part of the episode??!! ððð
I’m still not convinced Deacon is in on it. If he was, then why aren’t they listening in on the conversations in Deacon’s Apt like they are listening in on the Bill / Sheila conversations??
It seems odd that they would have no way of monitoring the Deacon exchanges. So I still maintain Deacon’s feelings for the psycho lady are legit. And remember this thing with Deacon and Sheila has been going on for many months. Long before anyone else even knew she was alive. So things don’t add up that Deacon would be in on it. But I guess we’ll all find out soon enough.
ðððð If people think that what Hope was doing with Thomas could be considered flirting, then in my career dozens upon dozens of men have flirted with me without my knowledge.
DeleteWhich of course is ridiculous
And what is more funny calling hope names while cheering for someone like thomas ðð
Really how delusional just because someone want to believe that
And this still has feelings is most hilarious
I really would like to know when exactly hope had ever feelings for thomas
As i said blaming the victim for the offender’s behavior
And just a small reminder Hope said to paris if i said he is hot can we get back to work and hope added but my husband is the hottest man in the world
Then disgusting paris go on on saying that how thomas is crazy about hope make his so attractive hope replies “WORK”
then finally paris shuts up ðĪŪ
And lynn i saw an article today about a twist regarding deacon maybe he will tirn on shiela or really working with them
DeleteVery valid points, Mmysh.
DeleteOn the Deacon thing, I haven’t read any spoilers. So you may very well be correct. I’m just speaking from what I’ve noticed in watching the show.
DeleteBut I absolutely hope Deacon IS in on it. Otherwise, he’s gonna lose everything when it comes out! I used to really like Deacon. But all this Sheila yuck has made him very undesirable!!!
No Mmysh I think all we are saying she is too friendly considering past history. I would think she would be more stand offish with Thomas. But maybe I'm delusional...its just my opinion.
DeleteYes lynn i totally agree with you about deacon
DeleteHe is so stupid getting involved with sheila after what she’s done to steffy and finn or brook even
But still i hope he will not lose everything
Will see
No d dear
DeleteThere is a big difference between saying its too friendly and flirting
So any of us if our boss was praising out good work so he is flirting??
And in when point i agree with you hope should not take him even if she lose her line
But that who she is a lovely caring person who believes people can change and always see the good in them
And she loves her career
She doesn’t have to change her good nature because of anyone
If hope had ever have feelings for thomas she would have yes to his proposal in cabo
Or at least slept with while she was married to him
She couldn’t even kiss him
And lynn at least we “bash” steffy on a valid points which is not bash as much as criticism
DeleteWe write about her actual behavior and motives
We don’t bash her for things are not there at all
And when she did the right thing we also praise her
Mmysh, EXACTLY!!
DeleteThe whole idea of Thomas being the lead designer is that Hope and Thomas will have to collaborate. If Steffy had concerns, she should have never pushed the Thomas idea. This whole conversation is ridiculous. How is Hope supposed to act “standoffish” when she is literally working as a team with Thomas?? This Thomas thing should have NEVER even been suggested, much less pushed by Steffy if Hope can’t simply be herself.
DeleteAbsurd beyond absurd!
Exactly lynn
DeleteYou know something maybe if steffy talked to hope on another way better than this interrogation was especially with her mouth head and eyes movements
maybe like how she was supporting her with Douglas
Telling her Paris bring up again the other day the thomas is hot thing
I give her a warning to stop this childish gossip
But i would like to know if there is i should worry about
What really happened when you told Paris that??
If steffy did these i will not see it wrong
But Her way was totally wrong not to mention not believing hope
And then the way she was telling finn like she was assuring that hope is attracted to thomas
In all these years every time Thomas has hit in Hope, she has rejected him, including right after her show when she was super mad at Liam for not showing up, and after she supposedly said to Paris (who was pushing her), okay fine he’s hot. If she really felt something for him, coupled with her anger at Liam, Hope would have let the kiss happen for a little bit at least before pulling away. Instead, she shut him down right away and was really mad at him too for trying. She forgave him afterward but after the CPS call, she was super resistant to having him back at work. The only time she changed her tune was when she was in danger of losing her line altogether. Now, they’re suddenly turning this into Hope having some secret crush that’s going to cause a problem.
DeleteThere was no inappropriate looks or body language yesterday as Hope discussed the drawings with Thomas but Steffy’s face was all oooh and ahhhh looking at them talk. How lame, and the whole he’s hot comment is so stupid because Paris literally pushed Hope until she said something to shut her up. Hope has had a million opportunities to be with Thomas if she wanted to do I don’t know why she wouldn’t have taken them if she so desired him.
Mmysh, ððŧððŧððŧððŧððŧ
DeleteOh on the Deacon thing I was thinking the same. Again some misguided attempt of the writers to create mystery on some point. They are going out of their way to not reveal it, but there are terrible plot holes. Like you said, why not monitoring at his? Why not clueing him in on the plan. He always looks extra tense trying to seem aware but not too much ð ð
DeleteThanks Mmysh for reminding what Hope actually said and about Liam too. She's not stupid, she knows how to be kind but also not leave any questions. Only people like Steffy and Paris are looking to blow things out of proportion in a way not suitable for grownup women (especially CEOs). Hope for me is now even more than ever committed to Liam, a man who has showed to her she's the one, the most important thing in his life in a way he never has with anyone.
DeleteMilla, you are right, Deacon does always look tense. Or straight up goofy when he and Sheila are gettin’ busy!! Lol.
DeleteI’m still holding out hope that Deacon’s a good guy. But like you said, plot holes galore.
Lynn I would also love to see him show backbone where Sheila is concerned and be a hero for once. Would be really great. And if both men and FBI(!!) have done their job they would know he is gold for their operation so would be really dumb not to include him. Who knows maybe they surprise us! ð
DeleteD, I think maybe we are all delusional in thinking that Hope needs to put some distance between her and Thomas. I know that if a man had done to me, my husband and my child the things Thomas has done to Hope, Liam and Beth, and I was "forced" (even though it was my choice) to work with that man, no way was I going to be working so closely together with him. NO WAY! But I guess, because it's Hope and she is such a good person and she shouldn't change for anything or anyone, it's okay for her to continue to just throw caution to the wind and continue to be all up in Thomas' personal space. I guess it's easier to blame Steffy for giving her an ultimatum and also blame Thomas for his Thomasness. ðĪĶðŧ♀️
Deleteðððð oh elle you don’t read unfortunately you only look and prepare the answers in your jead without understanding our my comments
DeleteAnd btw we are putting the blame in the right place not because it’s easier
Sure will not blame the victim because we like the offender
Elle it’s the Thomasness which causes all the issues ð so we can’t not blame it. If there was no Thomasness there wouldn’t be a problem!
DeleteAnd good that you would put distance between the monster and yourself, but in this case there was no way for Hope to have her line without him. Because Steffy (in all her mighty CEOness which is nothing but questionable especially where brother is concerned) said so. And Hope is not jumping on Thomas‘ neck or in any way encouraging anything. You are saying she should be standoffish or whatever but she shouldn’t. She was told by multiple people has nothing to worry about. Or are you questioning Steffy‘s supreme judgment? ð
DeleteI'm not blaming Hope or anyone else for anything. All I am saying is that Hope needs to be careful with the way she is around Thomas and the things she says to him because, in the past, he took it the wrong way.
DeleteY'all are the ones casting blame.
Milla, Hope's options were to carry on with HFTF with Thomas or halt production on the line. The line was not performing well. It makes absolutely no sense to continue to put money into resources to keep the line afloat if the line is not bringing in any profits. That is basic business 101. Steffy, as CEO, knows this. She and the board did not want to just tell Hope that they were cutting the line and that was the end of that so, they decided that since the line was so successful with Thomas as lead designer, they can bring him back to avoid shelving the line for good. When Steffy spoke to Hope, it was not an ultimatum, it was letting her know that hey, the line is not bringing in revenue so we will need to squash it. The only option would be to bring Thomas back BUT ONLY IF YOU, HOPE, ARE OKAY WITH IT.
DeleteThis was purely a business decision, and Hope knew it as well because, according to her, they had been looking for a new designer for months but she could not find one that understood her vision. So it's not like Steffy wanted to pull the line without trying to save it first. They had tried. Bringing Thomas back was the last resort so the board decided that Steffy would speak to Hope about it. Both Eric and Carter also agreed to bringing Thomas back yet, you blame Steffy like it was a unilateral decision on her part. Hope had a difficult decision to make but it's not like she didn't knew that this is where they were headed. She was the one that went to Steffy about bringing Thomas back in the first place so she was willing to have Thomas on the line again just to save it. And when it came down to it, despite telling her husband that she was not going to bring Thomas back, she did anyway. And I'm not blaming her because, at the end of the day, she does not want to lose her line. However, while bringing Thomas back was good for the line, she also needs to not put herself in harm's way where Thomas is concerned. Thomas is saying that he is working hard to be a better person and better father and while that's all well and good, Hope should not just say "Oh, I believe you, Thomas" and continue to work closely with him. She has been down this road before believing in him and where did it get her?
Sorry for the long post.
With thomas‘s sick mind anything hope will do he can take as a sign
DeleteShe was just nice and praising his hard work and change and taking the steps by apologizing to the people he hurts especially her mother
Which is good for his process
She isn’t flirting or try to seduce him or something
She is encouraging him to do the work
And she was straight to him about the thomas is hot thing
What else she should do
Its not on her
It was a normal interaction between them
For me she shouldn’t take him back from the first place
But i can get her reasons for not to lose her line and professional dreams
And btw she told him more than once the minutes she feels any messed up behavior he is gone
And make it clear there is no feelings or attraction
And thing thomas misunderstand its on him
So she should always put a sulky face around him and don’t praise his brilliant designs and the work on him he is trying to do so she will not be considered too friendly?
Elle, thank you for making our point for us….which is THOMAS CAN NOT BE TRUSTED!!! So why are Steffy and Dr Taylor (ðð) continuing to believe wholeheartedly that he has changed?? Why are they shoving Thomas onto Hope? Even your precious Steffy is clearly playing games if on one hand she is saying….”I truly believe my brother is a changed man.” While on the other hand, Steffy is warning Hope…”Watch your step, lady.” So what does Steffy REALLY believe???? That’s the question you should be asking yourself. And don’t even get me started on the world renowned psychiatrist (who is about as gullible as they come.) Mary Sunshine Taylor will never see her son for who he truly is. Not ever!
DeleteI honestly don’t think you are correct that Steffy is just trying to make sure that Hope doesn’t send the wrong message. I genuinely believe (based on Steffy’s words) that she is concerned Hope may have feelings for her brother. And that is LAUGHABLE!
The only thing I'm questioning, Lynn, is why Hope keeps giving Thomas chance after chance after chance after chance.
DeleteIn this last case Elle, because Steffy made her. Apparently she’s not capable to find on this whole planet another designer who hadn’t turned Hopes life into a nightmare. Or rather not willing. Good that you’re not blaming Hope, let’s agree nobody is blaming anyone, we are exploring, but the whole brining Thomas back came from Steffy and was started by her mama, the very best person to initiate business related decisions. Yes Hope in a moment of desperation after a review *asked* her if that’s what they should do, why was Steffy so firmly against it so much back then and only after mama made her find the love, she also found the CEO decision? ð
DeleteAnd Lynn spot on, that’s a question to be addressed, because it came from Steffy, not from Hope.
Elle, we (LF’s) keep saying the same thing. As Milla said above…The reason Hope allowed Thomas back in is because she was given an impossible choice. It wasn’t like Steffy was saying, “We will have to pause your line, Hope…until we find the right designer to replace Thomas.” Steffy literally gave Hope two choices and TWO choices only. And they were….take Thomas back, or your line is done. What kind of “choice” is that?? As Hope stated, she LOVES her line. It’s a very important part of her life. Huge in fact. It was not a decision she made lightly. She WAS pushed into a corner whether you accept it or not. And like Milla said, Thomas IS NOT the only designer capable of keeping the line alive. They simply just needed to give it more time and keep interviewing. But that wouldn’t have made for a juicy storyline. So here we are.
DeleteExactly ladies the timing of steffy’s decision that’s whats make not a business decision
DeleteAnd you said yourself hope suggested first and they still don’t know how ridge will react so almost it wasn’t a board decision
Very well said ladies. Lynn - I was just writing the same thing - the option of canceling the line is not an option at all. It's not like being given an option of fish or steak, it's like option of fish or nothing. If I want a "nothing" I wouldn't come to the party and, there, I have given myself the "choice" and don't need Steffy for that.
DeleteAnd Elle how would Steffy assess the statement that working with Thomas is Hope "putting herself in harm's way"? So now was Steffy right to stand up for Thomas, to go on and on about how he's changed (after one heart to heart brought to you by Taylor) or is he a risk? Because it can't be both ways. Either Hope is safe or Steffy is wrong.
DeleteExactly milla the as you or lynn said
DeleteTaylor and steffy saying we believe thomas is changed but hope you need to watch YOUR behavior so not to prove is wrong
Elle agree with you ðŊ just wish I could comment to your original post. Have to scroll down 20 messages by then I lose my train of thought ð
Delete@D Oh dear. Don't worry about it. They keep saying the same things over and over while conveniently ignoring key points to prove their points. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me but anyhoo... I'm pretty sure that Thomas and Hope working so closely together is gonna lead to something eventually. And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF.
DeleteElle, that’s pretty funny. How are you not doing the exact same thing….”ignoring our points to make your point?” You seem to be just as guilty. But there were lots of things stated by Milla, Mmysh and myself that you simply chose not to address.
DeleteAnd you wrote above that “you are certain it’s NOT gonna be Thomas slipping up again.” That’s a wager I would take any day of the week. Cuz it’s for sure gonna be Thomas slipping up again. Because that’s just what Thomas does. His good guy act will be very shoot lived and he’ll fall back into his old ways before much time passes.
Elle key points ð give me a break! You're the one who has no answer to the main glaring discrepancies of your own theories, now again - "it won't be Thomas slipping up"? Then what are you fighting for, what was the whole "Hope should be more standoffish" (or whatever you wanted her to be other than how she is with any other human on the show) and not "put herself in harm's way" about?
DeleteLynn, I am not ignoring anything. I addressed most of the things you've all said in previous blogs but you keep bringing it up over and over. I'm not going to repeat myself. And yes, key points such as Eric and Carter both agreeing to bringing Thomas back but you ignore it in order to vilify Steffy. Or the fact that Hope stated that they had been searching for a designer for months but couldn't find one who understood her vision yet, it is ignored again to make it seem like Steffy just got to the office one day and decided to give Hope an ultimatum. Or how about Eric, Carter, Steffy and Hope having the conversation some weeks ago about HFTF's less than stellar reviews in the media. There was a whole backstory to this but to listen to y'all, Steffy is a big ole B for wanting to kill Hope's vision for no apparent reason
DeleteAnd regarding what doesn't make sense to me is Hope working so closely with Thomas after he has hurt her over and over again and y'all supporting it. Just last year, y'all were against Hope being so close with Thomas and refusing to listen to her mother and husband. Some terrible things were said about her back then but now, it's a complete 180. That doesn't make any sense to me, no matter how hard I try to wrap my head around it.
@Milla My theories? What theories? That in order not to be hurt by Thomas again, Hope should put some distance or boundaries between them? That's common sense. What discrepancies does that simple theory contain? I did not make the comment about being standoffish so I can't respond to that but my point about Thomas not slipping up was in response to y'all saying that Hope told Thomas that if he slips up again, he will be out. All I'm saying is that I'm certain that's not where this storyline is headed - with Thomas slipping up and Hope kicking him out.
DeleteBut what does the slip up entail for you? Isn't a slip up what would show him as dangerous and obsessed? My understanding was that you first were saying that some boundaries (what is that also?) are needed in order for Hope to not be in danger by Thomas. Then - "but Thomas won't slip up"? So what is she in danger of as per you? You need to make your position regarding Thomas a bit more clear because there is a huge contradiction between saying he won't slip up, supporting Steffy's stance that he's a safe changed man AND saying that not to be "in harm's way" she needs "boundaries" on what is shown to us as Hope just smiling and appreciative like she is with any colleague.
DeleteAnd I think I mentioned already that 1. Nobody is "supporting" Hope working with Thomas. We just know there was no other option to her given by Steffy ("no collection" is not an option and she's the CEO, albeit going over her dad in that decision; it's not Carter's or Eric's final word but hers and Ridge's). What would be the point for us to complain now that she's working with Thomas? 2. There was a huge difference in Hope's behavior before the showing, she was acting like a brat, lashing out at reasonable loving people who saw Thomas exactly for who he was being, while Thomas was so obviously manipulative (even apart from CPS) especially using Douglas and she didn't want to see it. Now her behavior isn't anywhere close to that so why would we want her to change?
Exactly milla so since thomas is changed and there is no danger around him so why hope should be carful??
DeleteMilla, I can't recall saying that Thomas won't slip up. You'll have to point out where I said that.
DeleteI keep hearing that Hope has told Thomas that if he slips up again, he's out. I'm addressing that statement in it's entirety, that we will not see a storyline where Thomas slips up and Hope will kick him off the line. Why I said that is because Hope is desperate enough to keep her line afloat and that means keeping Thomas on as lead designer. So there is no way that she will kick him off the line. That's why I don't have much belief in her making that statement. Hope does not always stand by her word.
Not supporting her working with Thomas and y'all stating that she should absolutely continue being her normal self around Thomas while working closely together with him are 2 conflicting statements. It's either you support her working closely with him or you don't.
DeleteSteffy and Ridge as CEOs have to answer to the Board. No decision by them can be the final word without Board approval. They can suggest or recommend but they cannot decide. That's the role of the Board. As CEO, she has the job of relaying the decision of the Board to Hope.
Eric and Zende designing on HFTF was the first attempt to keep the line afloat. After the not so stellar reviews, they tried finding another designer which, according to Hope, they could not find after months of searching. Then the numbers for the line showed that the line was under-performing so the Board decided that they would have to pause the line or bring Thomas back. They also decided that a condition for Thomas returning was ONLY if Hope agreed to it. There was no ultimatum or impossible choice because Hope knew that the line was in danger of being halted all along. That was a given. Bringing Thomas back was a consideration that was given to her. She did not have to agree and Steffy told her that because she understood that Hope's feelings about Thomas would be a deciding factor.
Elle I was the one that said "standoffish". Like you mentioned somewhere up there if you (and I too) were in this kind of position as Hope is, I would be a little more assertive (not so sweet and friendly) when giving Thomas compliments and appraises and her body language when giving the compliments says a lot. Mmysh your comment about the dozens of men in your career flirting with you without your knowledge? The body language is the tell all when it comes to a friendly or flirty compliment. No one is saying Hope should change her good nature, I'm saying she's just a little too sweet and watch her body language when she compliments him. If you don't wan to start a fire, don't light the match.
DeleteConsidering Thomas's past.
DeleteElle, your comment about “Thomas NOT slipping up” was on March 25th at 8:01 pm. You were addressing D in your comment. You only have to scroll up just a little bit to find it.
DeleteAs far as all of us calling Steffy a big ol’ bitch, that’s not remotely true. I made a comment like that once in the last 2 weeks or so because she had a big ol’ shit eatin’ grin on her face when she told Thomas that Hope working with him again was going to cause trouble between Hope and Liam. I commented there was nothing funny about that, and I did not think it was OK that she had a big grin on her face as she discussed Hope’s potential marriage troubles with Thomas!
Our main points of discussion have been Steffy’s ridiculous concerns about Hope having her sights set on Thomas in some romantic way. And how Steffy seems to have all these concerns about Hope’s feelings for Thomas, when she should only be concerned about her brother’s intentions! And I call BULL on your addressing what we’ve written. We have had soooooo many valid points that you’ve completely ignored. You haven’t begun to address even half of them. But I have a busy day planned. So will have to pick this up later.
And OF COURSE we are against Hope working with Thomas again!!! But what choice does she have??!! For the 100th time, she was given an ultimatum of losing her livelihood. She has had that line at FC for a very long time and throwing her career in the trash can because of Steffy’s ultimatum was not an option.
DeleteOh gosh... Don't know even where to start. Elle you said twice that Thomas won't slip up.
Delete"And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF." And then a similar one. So again for the millionth of time - if he won't slip up, what's there to worry from Hope's side? What are her boundaries/standoffishness etc supposed to prevent? Or do you see a "slip up" as something different than showing his crazy/obsessed with her/devious side? To me that's what it means and that's what Hope would have to protect herself from. But as per Steffy he is fine, safe,changed! As per you he won't slip up. I don't know how many times in how many ways me, Lynn, Mmysh can explain this glaring hole in your reasoning. Maybe D, BBFan, anyone can understand and give their 5 cents, you usually understand each other perfectly, they would know what you people mean with "slip up" and they can chime in how can this combined statement make sense: Hope should be with boundaries/less smiling to a very unlikely to slip up, changed, safe Thomas!
WHY?!?
For crying out loud!
And no it's not contradictory regarding our "support" and I'll tell you why even though Lynn already did. And so did Mmysh.
DeleteWe don't support Hope working together with Thomas. We support Hope doing what she loves.
We don't support her being pushed in the corner and having to give up her line - the "nothing" choice on the menu. Why would she have to sacrifice because management is incapable and Thomas is disturbed? They gave her one chance, one choice to live her vision, to continue doing the job she loves and is great at. That's what we support. It's not on us, on her to manage the danger of Thomas in the equation, to worry about it. Why? You guessed it right - because brilliant Steffy guaranteed for him. He's on "your" side, on Steffy's side to watch and if and when he screws up, to account for because she brought him back.
But since "he won't slip up" we shouldn't have that issue now, should we?
DeleteStill not seeing where I said that Thomas will not slip up. My entire argument regarding Hope working so closely with Thomas is for her guarding herself in the event he does slip up! You, Lynn, even thanked me for making the point that Thomas could not be trusted. Maybe you and Milla misunderstood what I said. And you can go right ahead and call bs on whatever you want to. I believe I've already addressed all of your points, valid or not.
DeleteAnyway, thank you for finally agreeing with me that Hope should not be working so closely with Thomas again. That was all that D and myself were trying to get across. I don't agree though, that she doesn't have a choice because as I also keep saying, she can put distance between them. Zende, as far as I know, should still be on the line, so how about Thomas pass his designs through Zende where Hope could then make whatever changes she needs to make. Or, since Thomas and Steffy are always in the office together, how about he runs the designs by Steffy then she can meet with Hope to discuss them. There are several options for Hope where she doesn't have to work so closely with Thomas. And since Thomas has said that he is clear on there being no inappropriate behavior from him toward Hope, then he should not have any issues with boundaries being placed between them. Hope should not have any issues either since she said that she's not attracted to Thomas.
And thanks for the very obvious explanation CEOs answer to board ðĪĶðŧ♀️. Still Steffy came up with Thomas after her Mama pushed for "the love". It's not Carter or Eric. She's not the messenger in this equation. She is the boss. So it is on her.
DeleteElle I literally copied your own statement about the "won't slip up", are you messing with me?! Can you maybe read it again and see what it says?
DeleteI have to say discussing with you has increased my tolerance of "are we SERIOUSLY having this conversation?!" It's very useful in many areas of life.
When you say "not going to be Thomas slipping up" what else can you possibly mean than "won't slip up". It's literally just a different tense of the verb ððĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️ðĪĶðŧ♀️
DeleteAnd no we're not in agreement about "working so closely with Thomas". I said very clearly what I mean - that Hope shouldn't have had to work with Thomas. In your version she is the one putting herself in his proximity. We call it her being her normal self like with everyone. If he's sane he shouldn't be affected. And honest to God I'll never say that damn word "slip up" again. Thomas is either a safe to work with man or not. Is he or isn't he? Should Hope put boundaries between herself and him or not? If he's safe to work with, she shouldn't. If he's not, he shouldn't be there.
DeleteAnd honest to God I'll never say that damn word "slip up" again. Thomas is either a safe to work with man or not. Is he or isn't he? Should Hope put boundaries between herself and him or not? If he's safe to work with, she shouldn't. If he's not, he shouldn't be there.
DeleteAnd no Hope can't have Zende be some sort of middle man between herself and Thomas passing designs back and forth ð . If I'm him I'll quit and maybe even call discrimination on being demoted in this way.
DeletePlus in practice you see how they coaborate directly exchanging ideas and checking on the models. They can put Zende there as some sort of watchdog (again so wrong) but would only prove once again that Thomas is not to be trusted and Steffy was wrong to call him a changed man.
Btw as astonishing as it may seem by the number, some of my comments are disappearing again (Bob? ð ) but I thought it would be easier to try to address different points in different comments. Hopefully they will reappear.
DeleteOh D a sick mind can consider a hi as sign that person is interested
DeleteThings doesn’t work that why
Hope’s body language is normal
But sure you are not accepting see it that way coz you want to defend thomas in any way even turning the logic up side down
But know dear things in real life don’t work that way
And also at work
Unless when your boss or colleagues praising your good work or how a good person you are you consider that flirting
So yeah then i can understand why you see hope is flirting here
And please D provide us with an analysis about hope’s body language which you see as flirting
DeleteMaybe we can learn for ourselves too
Since you are a BL expert
If I may, I believe Elle was saying that she doesn’t think we’ll see Hope firing Thomas even if he does slip up. She will more likely rationalise it to save her line. That’s how I read it.
DeleteBy the by, Hope didn’t get ONE chance to save her line. It has been doing poorly for a very long time. That big fashion preview with Thomas, the they had just before the whole CPS call was proof of that.
Do you remember Hope begging Liam to come because if it failed she would lose her line?? It was already doing so poorly for so long it was going to be shelved. I remember Steffy discussing how she hoped it went well for Hope’s sake since they needed tonnes of orders from it to keep the line.
Hope was hoping she could keep limping along. She had a big flop with Eric and Zende’s designs and had spent months trying to find another designer.
The board meeting talked about how given that the numbers continued dropping they couldn’t give her anymore time to fix it.
Point being that HFTF had been failing for a very long time and Hope brought Thomas on to save it initially which he did!!
Then the incident and he was out of Forrester. Last ditch effort to bring Thomas back of Hope agreed. She knew she was out of chances. Forrester cannot keep bailing them out so she had to suck it up, out in her big girl knickers and get on with it.
Elle I agree that especially since Thomas and Hope are on the same page with designs he can work on them without all the private meetings etc. Thomas can submit his designs Hope can look them over and suggest tweaks etc. There really isn’t any need to be cloistered in the office all the time. There must be an actual design office in a huge multinational Fashion House like Forrester!! Surely! Hope could pop by or have a team meeting etc. Liam would certainly be happier about that as well.
Point is there are loads of ways they can work together, be kind and supportive without alone together all the time.
Be reasonable now. Honestly I would think Hope would be more comfortable that way anyway.
It was good she cleared the air about the hot statement.
Bob can you please unblock my comments?
DeleteI’m going back to sleep I’ll check tomorrow evening. Have a good one ladies.
DeleteMmysh I also never got a clear picture of what the hell is wrong with a young woman smiling and talking like a human being. That's ALL we've seen from Hope. I'll never agree that she should bend over backwards God forbid Thomas' fragile normality is disturbed. Steffy shouldn't have campaigned for him so hard (yes that was her, not Carter or Eric) and promising he's no danger. That's the bottom line.
DeleteThank you, BBFan. That's exactly what I meant. Not that Thomas wouldn't slip up but that Hope will not kick him off the line if he does.
DeleteExactly milla i really really would like to know the analysis of her BL so we can all benefit from it ð
DeleteBecause i think you all ladies including me are nice people not bullies or mean girls i mean all of us her
We interact with others in this same nice civilized and friendly way
So if someone with sick mind took any of it that we are into them its on them not us
So …
Don’t worry elle she will even it means losing her line which been working great for decades and thomas was not even in the picture
DeleteBut now its the only way for thomas character to have a storyline
Maybe RJ will fill his space
So thomas needs to keep himself in check for his sake not HFTF
And its my opinion of course
I'm only now seeing Milla's comment at 12:32 pm and I have to say "wow!" You went on an entire rant off of a statement I made which you misunderstood. It's not that serious.
DeleteNo Elle I took that comment the same way. ...its late here and I'm going to bed after reading now I'm a sick delusional person. Mmysh I am not a "BL" expert . All I'm trying to say if it were me in Hope's situation I would be a little more cold (stand offish) in the praises and Bbfan explained a few.things better than I can at this time of night.
Deleteðī it's got nothing to do with being a FFan or Lfan. That keeps getting thrown in there as well.
Elle I didn't misunderstand. You wrote it over and over like that "Thomas won't be the one slipping up", which many people of course will translate like "he won't be the one slipping up". And kept asking me where you said it? ððð serious wtf?!
DeleteEither way I said I won't be using this word anyway, I didn't start it and it was my mistake I went with it. The bottom line is if Thomas is SAFE, SANE colleague who is not a danger to Hope like your precious CEO claims and Hope thus wouldn't need to worry and put whatever ridiculous boundaries you think. And to this question you have no answer and it's finally obvious to me.
Mmysh I agree. Of course I myself would have put Thomas in prison if it was real life, but in the show a character is being a kind person so they shouldn't have to put "distance" and "boundaries" (nobody of them explained what the hell that means) with someone who as per CEO is safe. And with this I'm done discussing this ridiculous non-issue.
DeleteReally how she was just civilized and excited about the line
DeleteShe is not a mean person or a bully like some
And her words was only about his work
But yeah she should have praise his work with mean sulky face ðð
What she is doing is normal as i said a only a sick mind will consider such works or BL towards them a sign or something
But anyway since thomas is change does she need that or she can be herself like she is with normal people
Or we come up with things are not even there just to defend thomas and blame hope( the victim)
"But yeah she should have praise his work with mean sulky face" lol now I imagined that ðð you really improved my mood dear!
DeleteAnd there was a suggestion to put Zende as middle man to bring designs to and from Hope to Thomas ð yeah that's a message you want to put on the show plus it would never work the way they are collaborating - directly on the model with the fabric.
"Or we come up with things are not even there" also very true words Mmysh ð
I totally understand you milla
DeleteAnd let me assure you if hope did what she supposed to do as they proposed im sure she will be mean and cold and ungrateful, and it happened several times i remember how she was with flo and remember the comments but anyway that was flo not thomas so the same standards don’t go with her as with thomas
And i keep thinking about zande being the messenger between them
Yeah is he is a mail man or the job itself will be solved by writing an email
I would really love this solution
I love thomas being away from hope
As much as i see hope the real mother to Douglas i really wish the bring Caroline so no tie will be there between hope and thomas
But this zende being the middle man it can’t be executed in such job
Especially with thomas being the lead designer not like a part of the designers team
Bloody hell, this has nothing to do with what we're ( or should say I'm) trying to say. G'night ladies. Till tomorrow.
DeleteAnd milla i just read an Spoiler Artikel
DeleteIts really interesting
About thomas and hope
So long story short liam will keep not trusting thomas and afraid that thomas with manipulate the situation
So it will create some tension in hope’s marriage
So thomas with help with this collection and step out so he will not cause issues and will try to find another replacement and teach them so hope will not lose the line
And move to another line in FC
So maybe and i wish he is really changed
And his storyline will not be only around hope and obsession
The actor has so potentials
But was funny ð in how they started the article and i quote:
Since Steffy Forrester (Jacqueline MacInnes Wood) backed Hope into a corner with an ultimatum, Hope had to let Thomas make a comeback to keep her line alive.:
It was really funny reading that
I think most spoilers websites see it as an ultimatum not exactly a choice
Sorry for long i tried my best to keep it short
There are another 50 comments. So didn’t read them all. Here is a copy and paste of your comment Elle. Not sure why it was difficult to find this…..
DeleteElleMarch 25, 2023 at 8:01 PM
@D Oh dear. Don't worry about it. They keep saying the same things over and over while conveniently ignoring key points to prove their points. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me but anyhoo... I'm pretty sure that Thomas and Hope working so closely together is gonna lead to something eventually. And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF.
Milla and Mmysh, you are both spot on!! ððŧððŧððŧððŧ
DeleteAnd Mmysh, I love that article that you read that said the EXACT same thing we’ve been saying all along!! Perfection!! Well at least the people who write the official commentary for the show agree with what we are saying, even if Elle doesn’t see the light.
Truly none of what we are saying here is rocket science. Lol.
Also Elle, like I stated in an earlier comment….Your precious Steffy is actually worried about Hope’s intentions toward Thomas, not the other way around. Steffy has made that point very clear. That’s part of what has the LF’s so annoyed with Steffy. Steffy is not telling Hope to keep a healthy distance from Thomas, because she is worried Thomas may get the wrong idea (like you’ve been saying.) Steffy is actually concerned that Hope is somehow crushing on Thomas. And that just makes Steffy look even more foolish!!! How in the hell in her wildest dreams could Steffy ever be concerned about that??!! It’s so completely ridiculous!
DeleteAnd as Milla stated, it was Taylor and Steffy who pushed the idea of bringing Thomas back. The idea did NOT come from Eric or Carter. It WAS Steffy!! Eric and Carter just didn’t shut her down is all. And I find it funny that Steffy hasn’t been able to talk to Ridge about the whole Thomas return…and as a result Ridge hasn’t even signed off on it!!! And yet oddly, Brooke’s dad can get ahold of Ridge to have a chat!!! ððð Give me a break! Doesn’t look like Steffy is trying too terribly hard to get ahold of her dad!! ððð
Should be no ‘comma’ between ‘Thomas’ and ‘because’ in first paragraph.
DeleteExactly dear lynn
DeleteI really wish we can move from the thomas obsession storyline give the guy a break
And now there is even no need for him to hate brook also
So try a new storyline
Even though i will miss our cat fights here
Its only goes long when thomas is involved
But maybe we still have steffy ðð
And i read also maybe shuna will be back not only RJ
So i hope there will be an interesting storylines in ahead of us ð
Omg Lynn thank you for that - how was Steffy not able to discuss with her father CEO such an important decision, but Stephen directly got a hold of him.
DeleteAnd on your earlier point about Steffy's grin, connected with the last one why is she worries about Hope's “crush” (which, she must know by the years and years of NO of Hope and the resulting madness, is Not Happening) - it is interesting why is she invested in that? For the line/business - hardly. Everyone has been involved with everyone on this company and the business is fine. Because of Thomas - but no, he's safe and sane and in therapy and overall not a danger. To me she still would like the stir up trouble and to have to say to anyone that will listen "eh but what will that mean for Hope and Liam ð ". She still hasn't been shown saying it to her mom.
And Mmysh it's absolutely Thomas the engine of all our discussions and I hope he never leaves ð ð maybe they will give him some better storylines to keep showing his unique persona but without harming Hope. And Steffy yes she won't go away.
DeleteSo looking forward to young RJ returning. I don't remember much what he was up to before he left? I remember he was all up with the spectra women but was he a designer himself?
Lynn/Milla, let me see if I can once again try to explain my comment which you ladies misunderstood. And I've always thought y'all to be intelligent ladies so I'm not sure that I believe y'all misunderstood my comment but rather, was just trying to stir the pot and make something else out of what I said. But hey, either way, ya'll were wrong.
DeleteThe exact comment was: "And I'm certain it's NOT going to be Thomas slipping up again and Hope kicking him out of HFTF," it was not "Thomas won't be the one slipping up" as Milla posted above. Those are 2 completely different statements.
Use of the word "it's" before the word "NOT" indicates that there was a subject word or phrase that was being referred to. In the case of my comment, which Lynn copied and pasted in full, "it's (or it is)" was referring to the aforementioned phrase "Thomas and Hope working so closely together is gonna lead to something eventually." It was not relative to Thomas slipping up, it was relative to where "Thomas and Hope working so closely together" is leading and I was saying that it will most certainly NOT lead to "Thomas slipping up and Hope kicking him out." My comment was a direct response to the excuse by y'all that Hope told Thomas that if he slips up, he will be out of HFTF. I was simply stating that I am quite certain that the storyline between these 2 is not going to come to that. When you, Milla, stated that I had said that Thomas will not slip up, I had no idea what you were talking about because I knew that I had never said that. I even quoted where Lynn had thanked me for making the point that Thomas couldn't be trusted.
Regarding what Steffy thinks about Hope's feelings toward her brother and what I think about Hope working so closely together, I'm not sure why you compared the 2 but, my opinion is just that, my opinion. Whatever Steffy is concerned about has nothing to do with my opinion. I am of the firm belief that if a woman (like Hope) has had a repeatedly bad history with a man (like Thomas), she should try keeping her distance from him. She shouldn't be working closely with him, smiling at him, telling him that she is happy to have him back etc. Common sense should tell her that he may get the wrong message again. And yes, she also has a responsibility in this regard because she knows how Thomas feels about her. This is why, and here is where I will have to agree with Steffy, I question Hope's feelings for Thomas. She has already admitted that she thinks he is hot. Maybe her attraction for him is why she continues to let him in and refuses to put distance between them.
And speaking of Steffy's statement about Hope's attraction for Thomas, Milla, regarding my non-answer to your comment about Steffy saying that Thomas is sane and safe and not a danger to Hope, she never said that, hence I cannot respond to you comment. She did say to Hope however, that Thomas is making significant changes in his life and she knows that he is not obsessed with Hope anymore however, her concern was with Hope finding Thomas attractive. In their conversation, Steffy did not align her stance about Hope's possible attraction to Thomas with any safety issues where Hope is concerned so I'm not sure why y'all are insisting that Steffy's concern about Hope's possible attraction to Thomas has something to do with "...Hope thus wouldn't need to worry and put whatever ridiculous boundaries you think."
I think, in y'all's attempts to find holes in what I've posted, y'all are getting confused. My stance regarding Hope is simply about her putting some distance between her and Thomas so that there is no repeat of what has happened between them in the past. Steffy's stance on Hope is one of concern regarding Hope's possible feelings for her brother and how it can affect HFTF. To be clear, Hope's safety has nothing to do with Steffy's concern about whether or not Hope is attracted to Thomas.
Milla i don’t wanted thomas to leave
DeleteI want them to give another interesting storyline
And i don’t recall RJ doing any designs
But you know he will inherit the talent from ERIC just like thomas ððð
DeleteMmysh so I guess he was just studying ð and yes!! He is definitely going to be a designer ðĪĐ
Btw don’t watch CBS promos for next week! For once, they are TOO revealing what will happen ð
Elle sorry I ain’t reading that ð Maybe the others would want to but I’ve moved on like I said.
I think Mmysh was being ironic because both RJ and Thomas are not Forrester (by blood) and somehow they have the designing talent and not the blood Forrester children.
DeleteYes i was joking because there was one time thomas said he inherited from eric and he wasn’t ironic
DeleteIt was hilarious ððð
ðŦĢ Hello, Milla and Mmysh, as soon as my comment published, I understood exactly what you meant by your tongue-in-cheek comment - duh ðĩðŦ - so I attempted to delete it but my service is so spotty that by the time it deleted, you had already responded - a belated, “never mind,” from me. ðŦ
DeleteAwww don’t you worry Unknown! Don’t delete interactions with us we are happy to talk ðĪðĪ
DeleteYes unknown we are happy to interact
DeleteDon’t feel the need to delete your comments
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Elle, like Milla said….that was a lot (your comment.) And I simply skimmed it because my eyes started to glaze over. Too funny that you felt the need to give us a syntax lesson. ðððð
DeleteYes, Milla, Mmysh and myself are intelligent women, as I am sure you are, Elle. But we shouldn’t have to analyze your sentences to make sense of things. Just keep it simple. Looks like even D read it like we did…that you were saying Thomas wasn’t going to screw up again. So let’s agree you meant one thing, and we all interpreted it as something entirely different.
Personally, I never commented on Hope saying if Thomas screwed up again she would kick him off of HFTF. So perhaps Milla or Mmysh said something along those lines. Not sure. But Hope was standing firm on not bringing Thomas back to the line until Steffy gave gave her the no choice option, at which time Hope finally caved. So don’t be so sure that Hope wouldn’t boot Thomas to the curb if he starts up again with his scheming. I think Hope is becoming less of a pushover as she matures.
As far as what Steffy has said to Hope, she has made it clear that she thinks Hope is attracted to Thomas. And my comment was just that. I said…We are bugged with Steffy because of her ridiculous accusations about Hope’s supposed feelings for Thomas. It’s ludicrous. And I wasn’t referring to you when I made that comment. Although both you and D have commented on Hope’s possible crush on Thomas in quite a few prior comments.
Per your comment that “Steffy KNOWS Thomas is no longer obsessed with Hope”….you do realize how completely ridiculous it is that Steffy could “know” any such thing, right??!! Steffy is about as gullible as they come if she genuinely believes that!! Steffy also doesn’t know about Thomas’ attempted kiss at Eric’s house which happened just a few short months ago because Hope never told her.
Lynn im absolutely sure hope told thomas if she feels he did something its the end and he himself said it again
DeleteThey said that while Taylor and steffy left them to talk alone in steffy’s office
So yeah hope for sure warned thomas
Mmysh, I believe you. I was just telling Elle that I personally hadn’t made that point to her in prior comments. But I was also telling Elle in my most recent comment above that I could see Hope actually kicking Thomas off the line if he screws up again, because Hope doesn’t put up with nearly as much as she used to. She used to let people walk all over her. But she has been much better lately in not letting people take advantage of her. I like that she has started to grow a backbone! ððŧððŧððŧ
DeleteShe used to have a very strong opinions and backbone and hoe to stand for herself with the previous actress
DeleteI don’t know why they changed this with the new one
Good point. I saw just a handful of episodes with the previous actress, and you are right…she definitely was no doormat!
DeleteI’m laughing at the “blood Forrester” comment since all agree to Zende being a Forrester by adoption. Again Stephanie, Ridge’s mother is the one who owned Forrester. Her father bankrolled it and Eric was the lead designer and Forrester head. However it was Stephanie’s company!!! A fact Eric hid from her for many years. So ALL of her children and grandchildren have every right to be there and be a part of it!!
DeleteThe Logans, all of them work there. RJ is half Logan so I would thing LF’s would be pleased to have him at Forrester.
As far RJ magically appearing and taking Thomas’s place… even though he will be SOARASed, he can’t suddenly have all the years of experience of his big brother. He would be more junior than Zende!
I’m guessing that since he’s Brooke’s son he won’t be forced to work in the mailroom etc like all of the Forresters before him did, Rick and Hope and never had to do what Eric made all the rest of them do. It was a requirement for the others. Zende starred as a photographer at Forrester.
With Katie talking so much about Will, I’m wondering will he be coming back as an adult too so the two can fight over the same woman??
Sheila smells a rat! ð
ReplyDeleteBill pushed too hard...
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It's silly of Bill to have slipped the cellphone he's been communicating with Ridge through, under the couch. I bet, on Monday, Sheila will eventually agree to marry him after much convincing from Bill and then suddenly Bamb! She finds that cellphone
ReplyDeleteThat would be too awesome to come from that writing team. But I hope for something similar.
DeleteI was reading about the bold Thomas and paris get drunk together then they end up in bed together then she’s pregnant , and finally her wedding day to xander comes and she never told him she’s pregnant with Thomas s. Baby , if they didn’t change the storyline can’t wait to see it if it happens
ReplyDeleteZende and Paris are firmly in the friends zone. They have both stated that. They said the same thing about Zoey coming back pregnant about ten times a year.
DeleteSpoilers are literally fan fiction and that occasionally coincide with some small thing that happens.
Unless B&B official puts it out it’s literally just some blogger’s imagination at what might happen.
The wee blurbs we get about what is happening each day are released by CBS the rest is rubbish.
Paris and Thomas may well end up in bed but eewww. He’s got hot models after him that he isn’t living with. Paris would use it to throw in Hope’s face. She’s too ambitious, she’s looking for someone higher up the corporate ladder than Thomas.
DeleteWell we have to wait and see if it’s true I guess
DeleteIf only the writers listen to fan’s ideas. They have much better plot lines than the people getting paid for the rubbish they keep showing.
DeleteParis and Xander ??? They were never involved
DeleteI think OP meant Zende not Zander.
DeleteSorry Bob I can't open Fridays episode xxxx
ReplyDeleteHope the flower girl and Deacon the ring boy
ReplyDeleteThrow Sheila's butt over the Banister $Bill.. cheers ð·
ReplyDeleteVideo has problem got freeze when Hope walks in office Please fix
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