Elle, I think Liam is being extremely selfish.. I understand his concerns, but there’s a lot more at stake, like all the people who lose their livelihoods, and the fact is Thomas didn’t do anything to Hope directly.. He made a call he shouldn’t have to come between Brooke and his father.. I wonder if Hope told Liam he wants him to leave Spencer and not see his father while Sheila is around because of the threat she poses to her, her mother and more importantly their daughter.. wonder what Liam would say?? It’s good to see Thomas in therapy and showing remorse for what he did!! I am impressed what he said to Brooke about recognising that his father is to blame for leaving the family.. So it will be interesting to see what hope does??
Totally agree ladies. If Hope loses her line because of Liam she’s going to resent him forever. Liam is making her choose between her line and him… I completely understand his concerns but he is not listening to Hope and she may surprise him and choose her line instead. Either way this going to put a huge strain on their marriage.
Indeed! I do understand his concerns but Liam is acting out of emotion because of how he feels about Thomas. When he asked her what good ever came out of her and Thomas working together, the look of horror on her face made me feel like Hope saw, for the first time, that Liam really cannot be objective when it comes to Thomas. How about the very successful launch of the HFTF line just recently? That was something good. Hope gave in to Liam's demands at the end and even though she said Brooke told her it was her decision, I don't think Brooke would want to see HFTF get tanked. And if Brooke can forgive Thomas and is willing to have him save the line, why can't Liam?
I agree Liam seems to be thinking about himself in all this. Although in Liam’s mind, he is protecting Hope. Liam and Steffy should have a heart to heart discussion, because Steffy made it clear to Hope that Thomas was the ONLY option to save the line. And I don’t think Liam is convinced that’s true. In his heart, Liam does not want to hurt Hope or have her lose her career. But he has been burned one too many times by Thomas. Taylor was very annoying in the therapy session. She served no purpose and really shouldn’t have been there. While I understand that Taylor loves Thomas very much, she is clearly biased when it comes to Thomas and his supposed recovery. It’s too early to tell if he’s truly changed. And personally, I think he is just a ticking time-bomb like he’s been all the many other times he supposedly “wasn’t still obsessed with Hope.” He will start fantasizing about them being a family again, just like before. Right now he is completely focused on getting his career back on track and regaining the love and acceptance from his family. But once that novelty wears off, he will start obsessing about Hope again. Then Liam will be right. There are only so many blows to the marriage that Liam and Hope can endure. I liked when Liam said….”Is there ANYTHING that Thomas could do to make himself ‘unhireable’ at FC??!!” Hope didn’t have an answer, because the truth is….Thomas really could get away with ANYTHING. Especially where Taylor is concerned. Taylor is the WRONG person to be weighing in on any of this. She should stay completely out of it, knowing her inability to be objective about her son.
Hope was put into a no win situation with that ambush at FC. Thomas has always said that Hope was his sole inspiration. Who is to say if Hope refuses to re-enploy him that his talent will suffer?
Sick of Taylor. She gives me the 💩's.. Hope clearly you should can HFTF and start elsewhere. Save your marriage and your sanity. Talk to Brook. Tell her what you're thinking. Douglas will understand. Maybe be proud of you. He had to make that tough decision . If numbers are down in FC that's their problem. If you quit -for your own sanity - FC will feel it even harder. Losing millions of $$$ because you were put in a position that was detrimental to your health. Stuff them.
@Colly in a good business nobody is irreplaceable. If you base your whole company, and hence livelihoods of employees, on one person, especially one with proven poor judgment, something is terribly wrong. Nobody is forever. What if he drops dead? Then all those people and their livelihoods go to hell? This is such poor poor writing targeted at people who have no idea how businesses work and would buy that they, for the life of them, cannot find on this whole planet anyone who can "understand Hope's vision" (whatever that even is, if it's sustainability it's even more laughable because literally any company with a shred of business continuity mindset is working in that direction)..
@Aussie Deb I was thinking the exact same thing. If Hope has been adored "by millions", then losing her would be a big hit to FC and she can take her vision, image etc to another company and make them rich. Her name alone would get her hired directly anywhere. Why is everyone clinging on FC like their whole life and careers depend on it? I mean we know why, it's the whole show's idea they are so entangled with each other, but still so unbelievable that it hurts to watch sometimes.
@Lynn exactly. Hope couldn't argue with Liam's points. And you're so right that once Thomas has regained his place back in FC he will be back to his schemes. And Taylor I don't even know how to comment anymore. Why she is in this building *at all* is beyond me, let alone having any say so about decisions being made there. And her being present at her son's therapy (also at work he hasn't been rehired at by the way, because why not?), especially after she so unsuccessfully treated him herself, is outrageous.
I don’t understand, do therapist make house calls now? Why at Forrester Creations where Thomas doesn’t even work at yet? Why was his mother there at his session? Didn’t know a therapist that normally keeps your sessions discussions ethically secret to any one else, would have your own mother there. The whole thing looks so phony and unreal.
I don't think FC would suffer one bit if they decided to get rid of HFTF. It's not like the company is dependent on HFTF or Thomas to rake in the millions. Their couture line is what they are famous for and what brings in the majority of their revenue, I am sure. HFTF was birthed to cater to the younger generation. However, if they keep the HFTF line and continue to put money into it but keep getting minimal revenue, then the line would be operating at a loss. This is why Steffy said the line would have to be put on pause, and this is why Thomas is important because the line has become quite successful with his designs. It would be interesting to see what Liam would do if Hope does decide to bring Thomas back.
Then if that’s true they definitely shouldn’t have a problem to find jobs for them employees currently working on a less important line. All it takes is a good management.
Exactly milla, so why now the line can’t perform without thomas Its been there for years And hope is the one who bring the jewelry line in the first place by adding jewelry to her line Its was a success and she used to do tours around the world And be under alot of pressure and demands and so famous as a role model and once they postpone the wedding because she had to travel a lot and she is the line not thomas or anyone else And the line brought millions to the company and ridge also used to design for it and it was always a success So now these storyline doesn’t make sense And the ppl who said hope is not talent its really funny coz she is not a designer to have talent just like any other job in administration So can we say steffy doesn’t have any talent that would be ridiculous She doesn’t need one coz her job doesn’t need that abd that’s goes for hope And as you said in real business anyone is replaceable until you are using the a person’s name as a brand(line) so FC can’t use hope’s name without her or her approval But she can hire any designer until they get the one needed
Thanks Mmysh I had forgotten many of the things you mentioned about Hope's line, mainly how Thomas only recently became "the only one who understands her vision". They certainly couldn't do the line without her.
HFTF has not been performing well for years. It started off really strong but went downhill until it became non-existent. This is why so much was riding on the success of the last launch. The line was reborn after several years of non-performance.
At the launch late last year, they actually said that the line had not been performing and that this was the one chance they had to revive it. It was why Hope was always so nervous about it and Thomas had to reassure her that it would be a success because she put so much hard work into it. The launch was going to be a make or break for HFTF.
If Hope tells Steffy no, she won't work with Thomas, that will be the end of HFTF. Then Hope will be even more unbearably sad than she already is. She will resent Liam, then end up turning to Thomas. Really smart Liam. I say just see what happens. Maybe Brooke can talk to Liam. It is possible that Thomas can change. If Thomas does hurt Hope again, Liam can get a t-shirt made that says: "I TOLD YOU SO". And if I were Thomas's therapist I would tell him not to bring his mother to any more sessions. A couple of times it sounded like she was trying to take over.
That T-shirt is long overdue 😅 Liam told Hope so every time before she gave Thomas a chance. And true about the therapist 😅 "Thomas this isn't Kindergarten, don't bring your mommy to therapy, it's unethical and plain weird".
Thomas, I know it hurt to apologize to Brooke after she not long ago asked your son to "LIE" about seeing her and Deacon kissing in your Father home!! (Also he slept in your Father bed the same night)!!
Thomas, I know it hurt to see your Mother watch as her son Apologize to Brooke, knowing he is Suffering because his Father, Ridge, LOVED TWO WOMEN, !!!!!
Taylor, I am trying to be Sympathetic to you befriended Brooke, a Woman that had a child(Hope) with her Daughter (Brigette) Husband, Deacon. Also, had sex with Hope boyfriend at her Graduation Party!! Also, Brooke son driving DRUNK CAUSED the DEATH of your Child!! Taylor, it is HARD to WATCH your Son, APOLOGIZE TO BROOKE, that should be APOLOGIZING to You and Thomas!!!!
Barbara the part about Rick is a lie - he wasn't drunk driving, it was same child jumping on him and pulling the wheel off his hands that caused the crash. Maybe the drunk driver killing people you are referring to is Taylor herself?
Its not her first lie anyway Her comments are hilarious especially the ones defending sheila 😂😂😂 and then has the nerve to bash brook or even steffy and finn 😂😂😂
Sheila, you got it all, why are you not happy? Bill is handsome, Rich, Supported and told you he will help for you to be apart of your son life, why are you not happy?
Sheila, I NEVER Agree the way Stephanie treated you tying to keep you away from your son it is not her business, especially of watching years of her MADINESS!! Sheila, you are with a man, Bill Spencer that came through for you, even if he did it because of his Reasons, why would you not finally take this opportunity to allow him to help you be apart of your son life?
Hope, 😘 Liam is using his jealousy of you and Thomas chemistry, and not making his decision based on Thomas is the reason that Hope success is due to Thomas!!
Thomas is the talent Hope knows this Liam is a control freak She even played this hand when Wyatt was in charge of promotions etc He wanted her to leave Steffy is stronger than Hope Steffy saw Liam for what he is Hope is weak and Brooke don't care how many times Liam hurts her daughter as long as Liam is with Hope Thank you Bob xxxx
Mandy, it's funny that you say Brooke doesn't care how many times Liam hurts her daughter because when Liam was going off on Hope about if there was anything that Thomas could do that she could not forgive, my immediate thought was if there was anything he (Liam) could do that Hope would not forgive. He walked out on her after one "kiss/not kiss" and went straight to Steffy's, slept with her and could have gotten her pregnant yet, Hope was able to forgive him.
This is why I said that Liam is being quite emotional where Thomas is concerned and it's because of how he feels about him. He should instead come to an acceptance of the kind of woman that Hope is. After all, this is why he loves her.
The difference is that Liam has evolved in the last years and hasn’t screwed up (I hope not to jinx him 😅). Plus the magnitude is different - when Thomas goes off, he hurts usually a whole bunch of people who then he has to ask for forgiveness and worst of all - usually Douglas is among them. He’s also malicious in his actions, not "just" immature as Liam used to be.
I'll never forget how he was telling Liam that he will make sure he dies and he'll be bringing Steffy and Hope to his resting place... That was blood-chilling (and kind of impressive writing I must say)
@Milla And Douglas and Beth weren't affected after Liam's infidelity when Hope told him he had to leave? Didn't they stand to be affected if Liam had gone to prison? Didn't he have to apologize to Finn for what he did? And that's the point Mandy was making about Brooke not batting an eye whenever Liam hurts her daughter.
Elle this is so not comparable plus it was one awful mistake and misjudgment compared to years of scheming and hurting people intentionally. Liam didn't involve his children in schemes and didn't set out to hurt Finn (whatever the damage was to him when Liam went to prison, but I may have missed a detail).
But Thomas did not directly involve Douglas in his scheme. When Doug found out, Thomas asked him to keep it secret, just like Brooke asked Doug to keep her kissing Santa Claus a secret. This is not about which is worse.
The point Mandy is making is that Brooke will overlook whatever Liam does to hurt her daughter. And hurt her daughter, Liam did. More than once. Liam broke the law by not fessing up about running over Vinny and Thomas also broke the law by making a fake call to CPS. They were both bad judgement calls and neither Thomas nor Liam thought about how it would affect their respective families.
But liam suffered for so long because of remorse and guilt and he confessed at the end something thomas never ever has not even causing an honest young woman to lose her life So no, no comparison there
I agreed with Mandy that Brooke does not bat an eye whenever Liam hurts Hope. He committed a crime just like Thomas did and sat in a jail cell for it but Brooke did not bat an eye. Why? Because Liam was remorseful? He cheated on his wife and caused the break up of their family when Hope threw him out. She told him that the kids missed him but she did not want to tell them that Liam betrayed their family so she just told them that Liam was away for a while. Yet, Brooke kept telling Hope to take Liam back and work on their marriage. Why? Because he was remorseful?
Liam has been very remorseful when he’s screwed up, yes he has. But Thomas only feels remorse for himself. Thomas is extremely self-centered and selfish and is only sorry when his own life is turned upside down as a result of his bad deeds. Thomas has no conscience. But Liam does.
Do you recall the guilt Liam was feeling after he slept with Steffy? And how he kept saying over and over to Steffy that he needed to tell Hope the truth. But Steffy kept saying NO, because she didn’t want Finn to find out. Hilarious!
As far as Brooke is concerned…yes, she has always rooted for Liam…even times she shouldn’t have. I didn’t think Brooke gave good advice when she told Hope she should forgive Liam after sleeping with Steffy. I think Brooke is much more forgiving about infidelity than most women because of her past and also Ridge’s past.
Exactly lynn you said it all Im also against brook with so many advices she told hope But there is no comparison between thomas and liam Plus the things you have said From brooks respective liam and hope are in love and destained to be together as she say it And she is forgiving in that matter as you said Even when steffy cheated on liam She was telling liam to forgive her and break his family
Hope don't do it. Say no to Thomas. Is it really the "line" of HFTF you are worried about? Or is it you are afraid you are not good enough yourself to be re-emoloyed by another fashion house? Maybe it's time to move on? Or isn't that an option for some reason? What career do you have at FC if you say no to Thomas. NONE.
Hope can indeed be re-employed by another fashion house. She can even choose to venture out on her own but, you're forgetting that Hope is talentless (and I am not trying to insult her). She was given this fashion line. She did not do any studies in fashion or business. And without the designing team, Hope can do nothing with it on her own. Sure she can go elsewhere, but the success of her line would still be dependent on getting someone who shares her vision and who can out-design the designing team she had at FC.
In addition, Hope seems to be quite comfortable where she is. She had an opportunity to move off of her mother's property but she chose to stay. Do you really think she would want to uproot her professional life? Hardly likely.
Elle nowadays you don't need education to be an "influencer" and talent in many areas has become subjective. I'm not happy to say it, being one that has studied (a lot!). But with the following I imagine she has ("millions" as per Liam), Hope just has to pick a company and will be a success there too. How she started back then is not as relevant as where she's at now. And any fashion company would cash on that big. Of course she won't move from FC or her house, that would require new sets for both 🤣 but she could.
Exactly milla steffy used to have a line and brook also I don’t remember any of used to design Or what steffy’s major anyway to be a CEO That’s not important to me because i worked since i was 18 and i know how business go Its just so ridiculous to to these things only about hope while steffy is the same Did she studied business administration or has an MPA sure not She has experience and sure the boss daughter But the talentless or no university only goes fir hooe apparently
Steffy has a degree in business and learnt the family business from the lowest level. She didn't get to where she is because she's the boss' daughter. Did you forget that she owns 25% of FC shares which she was able to get back from Bill?
Actually Steffy and Thomas both started in the mail room as teens before they went to university. It was a requirement of Forrester children. Ridge and Thorne were the same. Eric required it… Rick was an exception, but he too went to university and got a degree.
Part of the reason Steffy was so cross when Hope was given HFTF was because Stef had to work her way up and go to school. Hope on the other hand, was handed the line to keep her out of trouble and away from the pills she had been taking.
Hope was a very spoiled little posh girl living in mummy’s castle. The whole situation spawned years of resentment between the two women… that’s before one adds Liam the waffle king to the mix 😝.
Hope only ever worked on HFTF. That said she’s Brooke’s daughter and married her to a Spencer. She’s got loads of connections to start over elsewhere or get a new job. She’s got so much money from her trust fund she doesn’t actually have to work. They do live rent free on Brooke’s massive estate .
I’m glad she decided to do what she thinks is best and be browbeaten by Liam into compliance. She will have Douglas back home and all will be well with her world again … except Liam will be livid 🥶. She’s happier and more confident now she’s made the best decision for her.
I’m waiting for Thomas to become Mr Hyde again… hmmm what new diabolical plan will be come up with?? Life will be too boring if he’s really gone straight 🤭.
Maybe they can have another whodunit but this time, with everyone thinking it is Thomas, then it turns out it was not. Either he was set up or he was blamed just because everyone knows that he would always get up to mischief.
Ugh Katie WTF?! You call a gorgeous man you've been intimate with "a friend" means you're friendzoning him. Good that he called it out.
Yes Liam, from Steffy, how can you be surprised? Apparently she sees "he's changed" 😅 how and from what - noone can tell. From one day to another, after they "found the love", he's changed enough to be trusted by everyone. I'm so glad Liam called it out like he is "Taylor always says he's making excelled progress right before he turns around and does something psycho" 😂 And the question was sooo spot on - is there *anything* that Thomas can do that will be the line? If he throws someone off the window (has happened by the way 😂) will that get him out? Or sell company secrets? He's still a glorious designer if he does those things!
Btw - the line has enjoyed success "for decades" 😂 how old IS Hope? I mean the line has been in front of our eyes since ca 2011 and time works differently there, but decades would make Hope at least 40 🙈
Lol, Liam may have been exaggerating just a wee bit 😂. Hope did say for a decade lol. 👵
I’m not sure what HFTF’s mission is anymore either.
The fact is the line has been failing for ages. Do we not remember how stressed out Hope was before the last showing with Thomas because they needed rave reviews and massive orders to prevent the line being completely shelved at that point?? Then with him gone for months, the new collection with Zende and Eric was a failure ?? They had been head hunting new designers without any luck. It sounds like bringing Thomas back was a last resort. Eric and Carter approved his return too, it wasn’t just Steffy. She mentioned that she would talk Ridge around etc.
I felt so badly for Hope when Liam said nothing good ever came out of her and Thomas collaborating. I think it was more than just the line, she was also thinking of Douglas and all the employees.
How about Liam preventing his dad being around Beth since he has a dangerous psychopath living with him and is in a relationship with her???
Well the truth is that Thomas always screwed up and this overshadows all the good he's done with his talent. That's what Liam meant with nothing good. It's even worse when it's been going great and Hope lets her guard down and there's Thomas with another (usually spectacular to watch) scheme. And the Douglas argument was quite weak, Hope was shown to realize it even as she said it. Of course it's wonderful to have the parents work together if both are stable and both comfortable with it. But if not, this decision can't be made solely for Douglas to be proud seeing them together on a podium and to hell with what's going on behind the scenes. Regarding the employees - I said also above - if their livelyhood depends on one person solely, that's a doomed company with terrible management.
Ah and totally agree Bill shouldn't be allwed around any kid (including his youngest) until he's back in his right mind and rid of the devil. But he doesn't look that interested to see any of them anyway.
Ignore Lame and his pouty attitude. He's going to be so busy trying to nail Sheila, then outing Deacon as collateral damage, that Hopeless will have plenty of reasons to dump him. I see his contract not being renewed. Yawn Lame. Time to shore up your resume. He is going to get the next bullet fired on B&B.
If Liam finds out that Deacon had been harboring Sheila when she was a fugitive and gets him arrested the same time that Sheila is, Hope might blame or resent Liam for what he did. She loves her father in spite of who he is or what he does.
That won't happen. Where Sheila is concerned, she'll blame Deacon all the way. Hope was not shown unreasonable to direct her anger to the wrong person. She has also all this trauma of Deacon disappointing her pretty much ever since he made her so there's no way he'll get away with it.
And she continued to maintain a relationship with him, even while he was in prison. Hope might be disappointed, no doubt, but she does not want to see her father go back to prison. That's why I believe she will be angry at Liam if he is in any way responsible for Deacon going back to jail.
I guess Liam will be just fine with having Hope at home sitting around and moping all day.
ReplyDeleteElle, I think Liam is being extremely selfish.. I understand his concerns, but there’s a lot more at stake, like all the people who lose their livelihoods, and the fact is Thomas didn’t do anything to Hope directly.. He made a call he shouldn’t have to come between Brooke and his father.. I wonder if Hope told Liam he wants him to leave Spencer and not see his father while Sheila is around because of the threat she poses to her, her mother and more importantly their daughter.. wonder what Liam would say?? It’s good to see Thomas in therapy and showing remorse for what he did!! I am impressed what he said to Brooke about recognising that his father is to blame for leaving the family.. So it will be interesting to see what hope does??
DeleteTotally agree ladies. If Hope loses her line because of Liam she’s going to resent him forever. Liam is making her choose between her line and him… I completely understand his concerns but he is not listening to Hope and she may surprise him and choose her line instead. Either way this going to put a huge strain on their marriage.
DeleteIndeed! I do understand his concerns but Liam is acting out of emotion because of how he feels about Thomas. When he asked her what good ever came out of her and Thomas working together, the look of horror on her face made me feel like Hope saw, for the first time, that Liam really cannot be objective when it comes to Thomas. How about the very successful launch of the HFTF line just recently? That was something good. Hope gave in to Liam's demands at the end and even though she said Brooke told her it was her decision, I don't think Brooke would want to see HFTF get tanked. And if Brooke can forgive Thomas and is willing to have him save the line, why can't Liam?
DeleteI agree Liam seems to be thinking about himself in all this. Although in Liam’s mind, he is protecting Hope.
DeleteLiam and Steffy should have a heart to heart discussion, because Steffy made it clear to Hope that Thomas was the ONLY option to save the line. And I don’t think Liam is convinced that’s true. In his heart, Liam does not want to hurt Hope or have her lose her career. But he has been burned one too many times by Thomas.
Taylor was very annoying in the therapy session. She served no purpose and really shouldn’t have been there. While I understand that Taylor loves Thomas very much, she is clearly biased when it comes to Thomas and his supposed recovery. It’s too early to tell if he’s truly changed. And personally, I think he is just a ticking time-bomb like he’s been all the many other times he supposedly “wasn’t still obsessed with Hope.” He will start fantasizing about them being a family again, just like before. Right now he is completely focused on getting his career back on track and regaining the love and acceptance from his family. But once that novelty wears off, he will start obsessing about Hope again. Then Liam will be right. There are only so many blows to the marriage that Liam and Hope can endure.
I liked when Liam said….”Is there ANYTHING that Thomas could do to make himself ‘unhireable’ at FC??!!” Hope didn’t have an answer, because the truth is….Thomas really could get away with ANYTHING. Especially where Taylor is concerned. Taylor is the WRONG person to be weighing in on any of this. She should stay completely out of it, knowing her inability to be objective about her son.
Hope was put into a no win situation with that ambush at FC.
DeleteThomas has always said that Hope was his sole inspiration. Who is to say if Hope refuses to re-enploy him that his talent will suffer?
Sick of Taylor. She gives me the 💩's..
DeleteHope clearly you should can HFTF and start elsewhere. Save your marriage and your sanity. Talk to Brook. Tell her what you're thinking. Douglas will understand. Maybe be proud of you. He had to make that tough decision .
If numbers are down in FC that's their problem. If you quit -for your own sanity - FC will feel it even harder. Losing millions of $$$ because you were put in a position that was detrimental to your health. Stuff them.
@Colly in a good business nobody is irreplaceable. If you base your whole company, and hence livelihoods of employees, on one person, especially one with proven poor judgment, something is terribly wrong. Nobody is forever. What if he drops dead? Then all those people and their livelihoods go to hell? This is such poor poor writing targeted at people who have no idea how businesses work and would buy that they, for the life of them, cannot find on this whole planet anyone who can "understand Hope's vision" (whatever that even is, if it's sustainability it's even more laughable because literally any company with a shred of business continuity mindset is working in that direction)..
Delete@Aussie Deb I was thinking the exact same thing. If Hope has been adored "by millions", then losing her would be a big hit to FC and she can take her vision, image etc to another company and make them rich. Her name alone would get her hired directly anywhere. Why is everyone clinging on FC like their whole life and careers depend on it? I mean we know why, it's the whole show's idea they are so entangled with each other, but still so unbelievable that it hurts to watch sometimes.
Delete@Lynn exactly. Hope couldn't argue with Liam's points. And you're so right that once Thomas has regained his place back in FC he will be back to his schemes.
DeleteAnd Taylor I don't even know how to comment anymore. Why she is in this building *at all* is beyond me, let alone having any say so about decisions being made there. And her being present at her son's therapy (also at work he hasn't been rehired at by the way, because why not?), especially after she so unsuccessfully treated him herself, is outrageous.
I don’t understand, do therapist make house calls now? Why at Forrester Creations where Thomas doesn’t even work at yet? Why was his mother there at his session? Didn’t know a therapist that normally keeps your sessions discussions ethically secret to any one else, would have your own mother there. The whole thing looks so phony and unreal.
DeleteI don't think FC would suffer one bit if they decided to get rid of HFTF. It's not like the company is dependent on HFTF or Thomas to rake in the millions. Their couture line is what they are famous for and what brings in the majority of their revenue, I am sure. HFTF was birthed to cater to the younger generation. However, if they keep the HFTF line and continue to put money into it but keep getting minimal revenue, then the line would be operating at a loss. This is why Steffy said the line would have to be put on pause, and this is why Thomas is important because the line has become quite successful with his designs. It would be interesting to see what Liam would do if Hope does decide to bring Thomas back.
DeleteThen if that’s true they definitely shouldn’t have a problem to find jobs for them employees currently working on a less important line. All it takes is a good management.
DeletePS Elle I still believe Thomas will be back one way or another. The topic is not finished in my opinion.
DeleteExactly milla, so why now the line can’t perform without thomas
DeleteIts been there for years
And hope is the one who bring the jewelry line in the first place by adding jewelry to her line
Its was a success and she used to do tours around the world
And be under alot of pressure and demands and so famous as a role model and once they postpone the wedding because she had to travel a lot and she is the line not thomas or anyone else
And the line brought millions to the company and ridge also used to design for it and it was always a success
So now these storyline doesn’t make sense
And the ppl who said hope is not talent its really funny coz she is not a designer to have talent just like any other job in administration
So can we say steffy doesn’t have any talent that would be ridiculous
She doesn’t need one coz her job doesn’t need that abd that’s goes for hope
And as you said in real business anyone is replaceable until you are using the a person’s name as a brand(line) so FC can’t use hope’s name without her or her approval
But she can hire any designer until they get the one needed
Thanks Mmysh I had forgotten many of the things you mentioned about Hope's line, mainly how Thomas only recently became "the only one who understands her vision".
DeleteThey certainly couldn't do the line without her.
HFTF has not been performing well for years. It started off really strong but went downhill until it became non-existent. This is why so much was riding on the success of the last launch. The line was reborn after several years of non-performance.
DeleteIt stopped before because hope left the line (the previous actress left the show) not because of performance
DeleteOh boy.
DeleteAt the launch late last year, they actually said that the line had not been performing and that this was the one chance they had to revive it. It was why Hope was always so nervous about it and Thomas had to reassure her that it would be a success because she put so much hard work into it. The launch was going to be a make or break for HFTF.
If Hope tells Steffy no, she won't work with Thomas, that will be the end of HFTF. Then Hope will be even more unbearably sad than she already is. She will resent Liam, then end up turning to Thomas. Really smart Liam. I say just see what happens. Maybe Brooke can talk to Liam. It is possible that Thomas can change. If Thomas does hurt Hope again, Liam can get a t-shirt made that says: "I TOLD YOU SO". And if I were Thomas's therapist I would tell him not to bring his mother to any more sessions. A couple of times it sounded like she was trying to take over.
ReplyDeleteThat T-shirt is long overdue 😅 Liam told Hope so every time before she gave Thomas a chance.
DeleteAnd true about the therapist 😅 "Thomas this isn't Kindergarten, don't bring your mommy to therapy, it's unethical and plain weird".
Thomas, I know it hurt to apologize to Brooke after she not long ago asked your son to "LIE" about seeing her and Deacon kissing in your Father home!! (Also he slept in your Father bed the same night)!!
ReplyDeleteThomas, I know it hurt to "APOLOGIZED" to Brooke after she take "NO" Responsibility for her "MADINESS" she caused to you and your Family for years!!
ReplyDeleteThomas, I know it hurt to see your Mother watch as her son Apologize to Brooke, knowing he is Suffering because his Father, Ridge, LOVED TWO WOMEN, !!!!!
ReplyDeleteThomas, I am proud of you, although I don't Condone your way of handling things to bring your Family together!!!!
ReplyDeleteTaylor, I am trying to be Sympathetic to you befriended Brooke, a Woman that had a child(Hope) with her Daughter (Brigette) Husband, Deacon. Also, had sex with Hope boyfriend at her Graduation Party!! Also, Brooke son driving DRUNK CAUSED the DEATH of your Child!! Taylor, it is HARD to WATCH your Son, APOLOGIZE TO BROOKE, that should be APOLOGIZING to You and Thomas!!!!
ReplyDeleteBarbara the part about Rick is a lie - he wasn't drunk driving, it was same child jumping on him and pulling the wheel off his hands that caused the crash. Maybe the drunk driver killing people you are referring to is Taylor herself?
DeleteIts not her first lie anyway
DeleteHer comments are hilarious especially the ones defending sheila 😂😂😂 and then has the nerve to bash brook or even steffy and finn 😂😂😂
Thomas, you are in Therapy a good thing!! Brooke, you should had Therapy a long time ago!!
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DeleteSheila, you got it all, why are you not happy? Bill is handsome, Rich, Supported and told you he will help for you to be apart of your son life, why are you not happy?
ReplyDeleteSheila, I NEVER Agree the way Stephanie treated you tying to keep you away from your son it is not her business, especially of watching years of her MADINESS!! Sheila, you are with a man, Bill Spencer that came through for you, even if he did it because of his Reasons, why would you not finally take this opportunity to allow him to help you be apart of your son life?
ReplyDelete😂 … love you, Barbara. 😘
ReplyDelete👏 👏 🤣 🤣 🤣 it's so true . Agree with everyone tonight
DeleteHope, 😘 Liam is using his jealousy of you and Thomas chemistry, and not making his decision based on Thomas is the reason that Hope success is due to Thomas!!
Delete😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteHope go to a different fashion house
ReplyDeleteThomas is the talent
ReplyDeleteHope knows this
Liam is a control freak
She even played this hand when Wyatt was in charge of promotions etc
He wanted her to leave
Steffy is stronger than Hope
Steffy saw Liam for what he is
Hope is weak and Brooke don't care how many times Liam hurts her daughter as long as Liam is with Hope
Thank you Bob xxxx
Mandy, it's funny that you say Brooke doesn't care how many times Liam hurts her daughter because when Liam was going off on Hope about if there was anything that Thomas could do that she could not forgive, my immediate thought was if there was anything he (Liam) could do that Hope would not forgive. He walked out on her after one "kiss/not kiss" and went straight to Steffy's, slept with her and could have gotten her pregnant yet, Hope was able to forgive him.
DeleteThis is why I said that Liam is being quite emotional where Thomas is concerned and it's because of how he feels about him. He should instead come to an acceptance of the kind of woman that Hope is. After all, this is why he loves her.
The difference is that Liam has evolved in the last years and hasn’t screwed up (I hope not to jinx him 😅). Plus the magnitude is different - when Thomas goes off, he hurts usually a whole bunch of people who then he has to ask for forgiveness and worst of all - usually Douglas is among them. He’s also malicious in his actions, not "just" immature as Liam used to be.
DeleteI'll never forget how he was telling Liam that he will make sure he dies and he'll be bringing Steffy and Hope to his resting place... That was blood-chilling (and kind of impressive writing I must say)
DeleteSteffy is a bully not stronger
DeleteBut sure for you u consider that a strength
@Milla And Douglas and Beth weren't affected after Liam's infidelity when Hope told him he had to leave? Didn't they stand to be affected if Liam had gone to prison? Didn't he have to apologize to Finn for what he did? And that's the point Mandy was making about Brooke not batting an eye whenever Liam hurts her daughter.
DeleteElle this is so not comparable plus it was one awful mistake and misjudgment compared to years of scheming and hurting people intentionally. Liam didn't involve his children in schemes and didn't set out to hurt Finn (whatever the damage was to him when Liam went to prison, but I may have missed a detail).
DeleteBut Thomas did not directly involve Douglas in his scheme. When Doug found out, Thomas asked him to keep it secret, just like Brooke asked Doug to keep her kissing Santa Claus a secret. This is not about which is worse.
DeleteThe point Mandy is making is that Brooke will overlook whatever Liam does to hurt her daughter. And hurt her daughter, Liam did. More than once. Liam broke the law by not fessing up about running over Vinny and Thomas also broke the law by making a fake call to CPS. They were both bad judgement calls and neither Thomas nor Liam thought about how it would affect their respective families.
But liam suffered for so long because of remorse and guilt and he confessed at the end something thomas never ever has not even causing an honest young woman to lose her life
DeleteSo no, no comparison there
And his remorse meant that he did not hurt Hope? Again, this is not about which is worse, it's about the fact that Liam also hurt Hope.
DeleteThat is not what your previous comments said
DeleteI said the same thing time and time again.
DeleteI agreed with Mandy that Brooke does not bat an eye whenever Liam hurts Hope. He committed a crime just like Thomas did and sat in a jail cell for it but Brooke did not bat an eye. Why? Because Liam was remorseful? He cheated on his wife and caused the break up of their family when Hope threw him out. She told him that the kids missed him but she did not want to tell them that Liam betrayed their family so she just told them that Liam was away for a while. Yet, Brooke kept telling Hope to take Liam back and work on their marriage. Why? Because he was remorseful?
Liam has been very remorseful when he’s screwed up, yes he has.
DeleteBut Thomas only feels remorse for himself. Thomas is extremely self-centered and selfish and is only sorry when his own life is turned upside down as a result of his bad deeds. Thomas has no conscience. But Liam does.
Do you recall the guilt Liam was feeling after he slept with Steffy? And how he kept saying over and over to Steffy that he needed to tell Hope the truth. But Steffy kept saying NO, because she didn’t want Finn to find out. Hilarious!
As far as Brooke is concerned…yes, she has always rooted for Liam…even times she shouldn’t have. I didn’t think Brooke gave good advice when she told Hope she should forgive Liam after sleeping with Steffy. I think Brooke is much more forgiving about infidelity than most women because of her past and also Ridge’s past.
Exactly lynn you said it all
DeleteIm also against brook with so many advices she told hope
But there is no comparison between thomas and liam
Plus the things you have said
From brooks respective liam and hope are in love and destained to be together as she say it
And she is forgiving in that matter as you said
Even when steffy cheated on liam
She was telling liam to forgive her and break his family
Don’t not break his family
DeleteHope don't do it. Say no to Thomas.
ReplyDeleteIs it really the "line" of HFTF you are worried about? Or is it you are afraid you are not good enough yourself to be re-emoloyed by another fashion house? Maybe it's time to move on? Or isn't that an option for some reason? What career do you have at FC if you say no to Thomas. NONE.
Again excellent point.
DeleteHope can indeed be re-employed by another fashion house. She can even choose to venture out on her own but, you're forgetting that Hope is talentless (and I am not trying to insult her). She was given this fashion line. She did not do any studies in fashion or business. And without the designing team, Hope can do nothing with it on her own. Sure she can go elsewhere, but the success of her line would still be dependent on getting someone who shares her vision and who can out-design the designing team she had at FC.
DeleteIn addition, Hope seems to be quite comfortable where she is. She had an opportunity to move off of her mother's property but she chose to stay. Do you really think she would want to uproot her professional life? Hardly likely.
Elle nowadays you don't need education to be an "influencer" and talent in many areas has become subjective. I'm not happy to say it, being one that has studied (a lot!). But with the following I imagine she has ("millions" as per Liam), Hope just has to pick a company and will be a success there too. How she started back then is not as relevant as where she's at now. And any fashion company would cash on that big.
DeleteOf course she won't move from FC or her house, that would require new sets for both 🤣 but she could.
Exactly milla steffy used to have a line and brook also
DeleteI don’t remember any of used to design
Or what steffy’s major anyway to be a CEO
That’s not important to me because i worked since i was 18 and i know how business go
Its just so ridiculous to to these things only about hope while steffy is the same
Did she studied business administration or has an MPA sure not
She has experience and sure the boss daughter
But the talentless or no university only goes fir hooe apparently
Steffy has a degree in business and learnt the family business from the lowest level. She didn't get to where she is because she's the boss' daughter. Did you forget that she owns 25% of FC shares which she was able to get back from Bill?
DeleteYes we haven't forgotten how she got that stock either 😀
DeleteExactly milla and she started in senior level not a warehouse clerk or something like that
DeleteActually Steffy and Thomas both started in the mail room as teens before they went to university. It was a requirement of Forrester children. Ridge and Thorne were the same. Eric required it… Rick was an exception, but he too went to university and got a degree.
DeletePart of the reason Steffy was so cross when Hope was given HFTF was because Stef had to work her way up and go to school. Hope on the other hand, was handed the line to keep her out of trouble and away from the pills she had been taking.
Hope was a very spoiled little posh girl living in mummy’s castle. The whole situation spawned years of resentment between the two women… that’s before one adds Liam the waffle king to the mix 😝.
Hope only ever worked on HFTF. That said she’s Brooke’s daughter and married her to a Spencer. She’s got loads of connections to start over elsewhere or get a new job. She’s got so much money from her trust fund she doesn’t actually have to work. They do live rent free on Brooke’s massive estate .
I’m glad she decided to do what she thinks is best and be browbeaten by Liam into compliance. She will have Douglas back home and all will be well with her world again … except Liam will be livid 🥶. She’s happier and more confident now she’s made the best decision for her.
I’m waiting for Thomas to become Mr Hyde again… hmmm what new diabolical plan will be come up with?? Life will be too boring if he’s really gone straight 🤭.
Thank you, BBFan!
DeleteMaybe they can have another whodunit but this time, with everyone thinking it is Thomas, then it turns out it was not. Either he was set up or he was blamed just because everyone knows that he would always get up to mischief.
The sound of their voices today was hilarious
ReplyDeleteUgh Katie WTF?! You call a gorgeous man you've been intimate with "a friend" means you're friendzoning him. Good that he called it out.
ReplyDeleteYes Liam, from Steffy, how can you be surprised? Apparently she sees "he's changed" 😅 how and from what - noone can tell. From one day to another, after they "found the love", he's changed enough to be trusted by everyone. I'm so glad Liam called it out like he is "Taylor always says he's making excelled progress right before he turns around and does something psycho" 😂 And the question was sooo spot on - is there *anything* that Thomas can do that will be the line? If he throws someone off the window (has happened by the way 😂) will that get him out? Or sell company secrets? He's still a glorious designer if he does those things!
Btw - the line has enjoyed success "for decades" 😂 how old IS Hope? I mean the line has been in front of our eyes since ca 2011 and time works differently there, but decades would make Hope at least 40 🙈
Lol, Liam may have been exaggerating just a wee bit 😂. Hope did say for a decade lol. 👵
DeleteI’m not sure what HFTF’s mission is anymore either.
The fact is the line has been failing for ages. Do we not remember how stressed out Hope was before the last showing with Thomas because they needed rave reviews and massive orders to prevent the line being completely shelved at that point?? Then with him gone for months, the new collection with Zende and Eric was a failure ?? They had been head hunting new designers without any luck. It sounds like bringing Thomas back was a last resort. Eric and Carter approved his return too, it wasn’t just Steffy. She mentioned that she would talk Ridge around etc.
I felt so badly for Hope when Liam said nothing good ever came out of her and Thomas collaborating. I think it was more than just the line, she was also thinking of Douglas and all the employees.
How about Liam preventing his dad being around Beth since he has a dangerous psychopath living with him and is in a relationship with her???
Well the truth is that Thomas always screwed up and this overshadows all the good he's done with his talent. That's what Liam meant with nothing good. It's even worse when it's been going great and Hope lets her guard down and there's Thomas with another (usually spectacular to watch) scheme. And the Douglas argument was quite weak, Hope was shown to realize it even as she said it. Of course it's wonderful to have the parents work together if both are stable and both comfortable with it. But if not, this decision can't be made solely for Douglas to be proud seeing them together on a podium and to hell with what's going on behind the scenes. Regarding the employees - I said also above - if their livelyhood depends on one person solely, that's a doomed company with terrible management.
DeleteAh and totally agree Bill shouldn't be allwed around any kid (including his youngest) until he's back in his right mind and rid of the devil. But he doesn't look that interested to see any of them anyway.
DeleteAnd an added note no steffy doesn’t have a degree in business
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DeleteMay I ask you the usual question.. Bob can you please reload today's program?? TY so much.
ReplyDeleteBob, can it be that some comments are disappearing again? I think I had at least two that are now gone.
ReplyDeleteIgnore Lame and his pouty attitude. He's going to be so busy trying to nail Sheila, then outing Deacon as collateral damage, that Hopeless will have plenty of reasons to dump him.
ReplyDeleteI see his contract not being renewed. Yawn Lame. Time to shore up your resume. He is going to get the next bullet fired on B&B.
No way. Liam is great! He’s a good actor and his character isn’t going away anytime soon.
DeleteOuting Deacon would be a reason for Hope to dump Liam? 😅 that makes no sense at all.
DeleteIf Liam finds out that Deacon had been harboring Sheila when she was a fugitive and gets him arrested the same time that Sheila is, Hope might blame or resent Liam for what he did. She loves her father in spite of who he is or what he does.
DeleteThat won't happen. Where Sheila is concerned, she'll blame Deacon all the way. Hope was not shown unreasonable to direct her anger to the wrong person. She has also all this trauma of Deacon disappointing her pretty much ever since he made her so there's no way he'll get away with it.
DeleteAnd she continued to maintain a relationship with him, even while he was in prison. Hope might be disappointed, no doubt, but she does not want to see her father go back to prison. That's why I believe she will be angry at Liam if he is in any way responsible for Deacon going back to jail.
DeleteThanks Bob 🙂👀🤟🏼
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