The Bold and the Beautiful 6-30-23 Full episode B&B 30th June 2023
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Geez, Liam, 5 minutes after you break up with your wife, you are kissing a happily married woman who has not given you any indication that she wants to be in a relationship with you. Steffy must feel like a consolation prize. She just needs to slap Liam & hopefully knock some sense into him.
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DeleteWOW...just WOW, what a two faced shit Liam is..as predicted, he runs straight to Steffy, the pathetic waffler. Best yhing he did was to wsnt a divorce, Hope deserves so much better than him. Dteffy needs to shove his sorry a** right out the door.
ReplyDeleteUgh ..no words.
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DeleteIs Liam nuts !!! It's ok to leave Hope but not to go piling into Steffy. No Liam that's not cool.
ReplyDeleteSo I guess Steffy did NOT have that serious talk with Liam after he kissed her in Italy. Liam has been my favorite guy all week, then we get to Friday, and he's a bum! So Liam thinks that just because he's ready to end his marriage with Hope, he can just have Steffy. No regard whatsoever for Finn. The man who is helping to raise his daughter. The guy who was encouraging him to go to Italy to surprise Hope. It's not Finn's fault what he saw when he got there. Finn has been a good supportive friend to Liam. Now Liam is trying to steal his wife. Liam is a backstabber and a bum! I'm over him!
ReplyDeleteTotally agree.. couldn't have said it better.
DeleteI am so angry!!!!!! 😠😠😠
DeleteTotally agree Forever 36
DeleteBuckle up kids, we're heading for another ride on the Steffi and Liam ride 😂 (Not that we want to. I'm so sick of this ride, it's making me need to 🤮). This is the end of Finn and Steffi. We all knew it was coming. Such laziness in the writing room of this show. There's absolutely NO imagination.
DeleteOk not reading any further. This sounds like a must see show today. I will make time to watch it tonight🤞
DeleteLame should be thrilled to forgive Hope after all that he did to her . I read Lame does not deserve that. I don't think so at all. Why the writers make Hope begs him for forgiveness, why now they are going to destroy Steffy marriage for someone like Lame boy bhe doesn't even worth it or deserve her, after all we know that Lame will be back to Hope eventually. It's a horrible writing, they could have gave Hope a better line on this even if she wrong after all that she accepted and took from Lame boy.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't believe it when Liam talked about how tired he is of Thomas living in his head. Well, welcome to Hope's world, buddy. She has had to live with Liam's cheating with Steffy for years! Today Liam reminded me of why I despise him this much. He does this every single time! He's upset with Steffy, he runs to Hope and vice versa.
DeleteElle brava 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 exactly!!
DeleteLiam can't be alone. Steffy is taken, you idiot. You will divorce and you want Steffy divorce also
ReplyDeleteRemember mannequin-gate? Remember how he started reminiscing with Steffy and telling her about the photo and how things can be for them again? Then asked her how serious are things with Finn? He doesn't care about Steffy's happiness. All he cares about is himself!
DeleteGosh 🙈🙈 Liam... It was one bomb to ask for a divorce (which I support, must be exhausted to plead with Hope and try to make her understand what her involvement with Thomas has caused them plus she would never work it out herself), but to literally run to Steffy? Is it 2012 already? Not cool. Very selfish too to want to wreck havoc in her happy life when she has nothing to do with your drama.
ReplyDeleteBut like I said on the previous episode... A reunion with Steffy may be interesting to watch. They have a lot of shared memories and a daughter and the relationship with Finn was boooring 🥱 one thing is sure - around Liam there's always action.
Milla, no eh! 😠
DeleteNo Steam reunion please. I beg you writers. Please don't mess up Finn and Steffy. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
And Steffy. I'm mad at her as well. She seemed to be very much into that kiss today. She needed to give him that 90 degree angle back-hand slap like she gave him when he married Ivy. As BBFan would say, I'm very "cross" right now!
Aw Elle 🤗 for your sake I hope they don't reunite! Although I want to hear Liam's pitch on Monday 😀 ❤️
DeleteLol Milla. I bet I can tell you how it will go.
DeleteLiam: I am so sorry for what I did to our family... to you, Steffy. I was so stupid. I thought.... forget about what I thought. We were happy once, we can be happy again. Finn will understand. 🤢🤮
I agree with Elle, except I don't care so much about Steffi and Finn, I just really don't want her and Liam back together for the millionth time. Talk about exhausting! We all knew from the minute Finn showed up that he wasn't going to last long with Steffi. I'm actually surprised they lasted this long. She and Liam will be back together by the end of summer
DeleteYes that speech Elle haha I'm expecting him to say those things 😂
DeleteElle, it’s gonna happen…Liam and Steffy. How you feel about them being coupled up is how I feel about Hope and Thomas. 🤮🤮🤮 When one couple fails everyone regroups because there are so few characters on the show.
DeleteThere was a lot of talk before about finn and hope when they bonded over everyone don’t want them to have a relationship with sheila and deacon
DeleteSo maybe that’s where this storyline is heading of course if finn stayed in the show
Lynn, why can't they bring on someone new for Liam? Or have him be alone for a while? What's with this switching up of couples? Gosh!
DeleteSteffy better not mess up what she has with Finn for flaky, waffle-boy Liam.
Elle, we both have our reasons for not wanting Hope and Steffy to be with Thomas and Liam. I guess it is what it is. I swore to stop watching if they made Hope and Thomas a couple. I am way less of a Hope fan these days, but still have no desire to see those two together. You were one of the ones who said how much Liam loved Steffy. So I didn’t think you’d care so much. No happy couple stays happy for long on this show. You had a good run with Finn and Steffy….but looks like it’s gonna come crashing down. But hey, blame Steffy like I blame Hope. What writers???? Lol
DeleteIndeed Steffy and Finn have been firmly together since mid-2020. That must be a record for any couple on the show 😅
DeleteMilla, although every single viewer is painfully aware Steffy is pregnant, it still hasn’t been mentioned on the show. She’s pretty far along, so I doubt they would try to make us believe it’s Liam’s…but who knows. That for sure would make Finn head for the hills.
DeleteOh Lynn if they sleep together, even if there wouldn't be a baby (and in this case there would be, like you said) even I think Finn would throw in the towel. Forgiving one cheating with Liam is one thing but forgiving two would make him a total idiot. And he's not that. I hope, at least. And if there's a baby he's out for good.
DeleteI agree Lynn. I don't think this pregnancy is going to be written in. She's pretty consistently having children lol, they can't write them all in
DeleteI just had a thought - it would be so great if they put Hope with Wyatt. He is such a good man, loved her madly, doesn't waffle, doesn't try to kidnap her on a helicopter etc. If Flo has flown the coop and he's single, would be lovely 🥰
DeleteHilary indeed 😂
Delete@Renee, I agree Steffy should slap Liam, and kick him in the crotch! At first I thought Steffy shouldn't tell Finn about Liam's kiss in Italy. NOW I think she definitely needs to tell him his good buddy is really a no-good backstabbing jerk! Wow, I never thought I would be pulling for Thomas over Liam. Thomas is looking pretty good today compared to bum-Liam.
ReplyDeleteThat RJ...damn sure gets on my nerves .... "you know that I don't want to get involved with family stuff" but he is always initiating it!!
ReplyDeleteWhy is RJ even on the show?
DeleteYeah I know hey , he’s so boring on the show doesn’t know how to act for peanuts , he needs to go badly
DeleteSo him being concerned about his sister is initiating involvement in family drama 😂😂😂😂
DeleteI love RJ. He is so well intentioned! ❤️
DeleteHe's adorable and it's high high time he got a storyline.
DeleteHope is just like her mother, always the victim 😂😂😂
ReplyDeleteI didn't get that victim vibes from Hope at all. Matter of fact, I expected her to throw Thomas under the bus but she showed no regret for what she did. Instead, she admitted that Liam was right about her having feelings for Thomas. In this regard, she's a lot better than Brooke who usually blames everybody else. Hope took full responsibility for what she did.
DeleteHope isn’t being a victim at all. She is simply very sad and feeling devastated that her family is falling apart due to her actions in Rome. That said, I don’t feel sorry for her. She got herself into this mess.
DeleteElle, I never expected Hope to throw Thomas under the bus. She has been very protective of him this whole time. And that’s a big part of what we viewers have seen as she has grown to care about him.
But she absolutely showed regret. She said how sorry she was multiple times. And now that Liam has walked out, she is beyond sorry! This is not the outcome she wanted! She doesn’t know what to tell Liam because she doesn’t understand it herself.
DeleteLynn she didn't throw him under the bus even in times when she should have 😅 all those times when Liam and Brooke were warning her and she was lashing out like my 2-year-old nephew when his mom takes his chocolate cookies. And then she was 😳😳 wtf, they were right!
DeleteYes, she was sorry for hurting Liam and that he saw her kissing Thomas but what I meant was that she had no regret for kissing Thomas. I thought she would have thrown Thomas under the bus by saying that the kiss meant nothing to her. Instead, she admitted that she had feelings for Thomas and said she did not know why, that she tried to fight it and that it wasn't logical for her to have those feelings. But she did not show actual regret for the kiss.
DeleteThe words "It was a mistake. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I messed up" may show regret but that's just me.
DeleteTo me too milla
DeleteDamn Liam! Didn't see that coming, the request for divorce that is. As far as when he left the house, I thought he was going to see Thomas. But damn.... he goes and forces himself on Steffy. He's a damn predator !!! Not to mention a hypocrite !
ReplyDeleteWell said, ncac. 🙋🏼♀️
DeleteBoy, He really planted another smack -a- roo again on Steffy! Liam just doesn't think about Steffy being a happily married woman, he just goes right straight to her and plants that kiss. Steffy with her jaws drop to the floor, she NEEDS to say something, and I hope she does tomorrow, these silent moments without her saying nothing right away makes me where her mouth is, she is usually blunt when she speaks out. Now, yesterday I listened to a podcast discussing on how this Liam and Steffy kiss will be exposed and here are the choices: 1. Liam accidently blunts out in Hope's face, well that didn't happen. 2. Liam goes to see Steffy and Kelly either sees or overhears about the kissing they did in Rome, and then Kelly later tells Finn. 3. Finn catching Liam kissing Steffy or walks in and overhears them talking about the kiss. For me I think #2 might possibly happen here. What do you gals think it will be exposed.
DeleteFrom the minute he said to Wyatt, "I have so many regrets..." then got that glint in his eye, I knew he was headed straight to Steffy.
Delete@Elizabeth Replace Kelly with Douglas and I would have chosen #2. 🤭🤭
DeleteSeriously though, I hope that Steffy comes clean to Finn and lets him know exactly what Liam is doing.
@Elle Well if she don't she will ruin her relationship again. She did do something like that before, I can't remember if it was with Liam or somebody else. Finn won't put up with hidden secrets like this.
DeleteThis is Brooke/Ridge/Taylor story trickled down to the 2.0's. Ridge did the same thing just a few months ago, left Brooke and went straight Taylor in a heartbeat. Wow writers, really???
ReplyDeleteLet's hope they make Steffy and Hope do the same as Brooke and Taylor did and swear off Liam, but this time they make it work and not betray each other.
The audacity of Liam Spencer!!!😡
ReplyDeleteLame is the epitome of male fragility. 🤢
ReplyDeleteSteffy should have slapped Liam...bigtime!!
ReplyDelete& said goodbye Liam!!
DeleteOh liam never change
ReplyDeleteBut as i said steffy should have put boundaries with him in italy not text checking on him
Just dont let him ruin your life steffy and go tell your husband
Now if i were in Finn’s place i will blame my wife for not sitting him straight after the first kiss, now finn will take easily as if steffy told him like 2 days ago
I understood Steffy not saying anything the first time. Liam was extremely upset and he reacted. So, she probably decided to let it slide. But now, this? Steffy definitely needs to bring Finn into the loop.
DeleteLiam is a selfish bugger. My life isn’t perfect so I will just help myself to a married woman because she makes me feel better??? WTH??? He’s such a tosser!!
DeleteHow dare he kiss Steffy again? She needs to put him firmly in his lane and tell Finn what is going on.
I think the look or the last scene with finn leaving the house its like goodbye i don’t know
DeleteSo many unstable people in this show:))
ReplyDeleteLiam could not wait 2 seconds to go to Steffy, he must ruin their marriage also. And because is no drama in STeffys life, right now, many might see it as boring.
I don't see Finn and Steffy as boring. They both have their professions but find time to talk about things and make time for each other. Not to mention, Steffy has Sheila for a mother-in-law. Never a dull moment.
DeleteElle, completely agree!
DeleteWhat the hell u doing Liam wow , the quicker u get out of hopes life the better , she Dosnt deserve u she belongs with Thomas , a divorce lol so pathetic u are
ReplyDeleteLiam wants perfection in anyone he is with, but he cannot live up to his own standards himself. I wish Finn would have walked in and caught him. Liam can't forgiven Hope for kissing Thomas, but he keeps kissing Steffy, the same woman that he cheated on Hope with and thought that he fathered a child with.
ReplyDeleteJoy well said. Finn can still walk in on Monday bye 😁
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Delete@Joy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteExactly 💯
DeleteYeah true
ReplyDeleteI know Liam is fed up with this hope /Thomas thing , and that he had enough but cmon Liam a divorce, over a kiss , how many times did hope forgive you , stop being a wimp and man up , know hope is gonna be pregnant and you gonna think it’s Thomas’s baby , well who knows if she slept with Thomas and we never seen it , have to wait and see I guess
ReplyDeleteIt's not just the kiss that Liam can't forgive, it's that his wife has admitted that she has feelings for another man.
DeleteI thought asking for a divorce was harsh but really, how can he stay in the marriage knowing how Hope feels about Thomas?
Why doesn't steffy push Liam away she just allows it doesn't stop it
ReplyDeleteIt's like she knows she has to stop it but wants to enjoy the kiss a little before pushing him away. 😡
DeleteBecause Steffi will end up dumping Finn and reuniting with Liam. It's going to happen. I don't want it to, but it will. All the show knows is repeating the same couples over and over for decades.
DeleteDon’t you think Steffi will lay down the law to her ex-husband which she should have done in Rome? … and then she will start to feel “confused” about her feelings for Liam (if the rumors are true about Tanner Novlan not having his contract renewed) LOL. 😉 I imagine the misogynist writers in an arcade-like room with a bar 🍻🥃🍸 playing darts 🎯 with decades old scripts randomly selecting which stories they will wash, rinse and repeat. 🥱😵💫😵🫠🕳️
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ReplyDeleteI was surprised Liam didn’t consider what Hope said about how she has had to forgive him in the past for his indiscretions. But as we’ve all said, Liam’s bigger issue is that he feels he can no longer trust his wife…he doesn’t even recognize her because she lied to him for months telling him he had nothing to worry about. It was calculated and deceptive. Hope knew her thoughts were not OK, yet she wasn’t honest with Liam. Liam can’t get past that. He doesn’t like that Hope looked him in the eye and lied to his face. And that’s the real reason for wanting the divorce, not so much the actual kiss. Once trust is destroyed, you’ve got nothing left.
ReplyDeleteBut I hope the FF’s heard Hope say….”I don’t know why I’m feeling this way!” “I didn’t want this!” I don’t understand it myself!” Yes, Hope continues to be CONFUSED!!!! She absolutely begged Liam to forgive her….saying to him…”I LOVE YOUUUUUU!!!!!” And she does! But she betrayed her marriage and is now gonna pay the price!
So Liam tells her she’s the love of his life, but he just can’t do this anymore!! Hope was truly devastated!
I knew as soon as Finn looked back at Steffy from the front door of the beach house and told her that ‘they have the kind of love that endures’ before he walked out the door, that was the foreshadowing to the end of Finn and Steffy!!!! It was way too perfect of a setup!! Finn’s days are numbered for sure!!
And of course Steffy kissed Liam back on today’s episode!! She also kissed him back in Italy, ladies!! To think otherwise is just fooling yourself! Steffy had her chance to come clean with Finn….but she chose not to take it!!! Steffy is not a faithful person in relationships and never has been!!
As far as Liam is concerned….what the shit, Liam!!????!!! I have defended you nonstop!! There is ZERO excuse for what you did today!!! Quit making Steffy your backup plan every time Hope breaks your heart!!! It’s horrible that you think you can just pivot to Steffy because Hope betrayed you!!! I will not defend Liam for even a minute today!! You truly can’t be alone for 5 minutes, can you Liam?? And the arrogance of him to just walk into Steffy’s house with zero regard for Finn and Steffy’s family with Finn is entirely unacceptable!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
So yes, Thomas is starting to look like the good guy in all this!!! Hell must have actually frozen over!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
Really disappointed with Liam too Lynn. Absolutely erratic behavior. I hate that he makes me look stupid now saying over and over what a long way he has come since the 2010s. And yes the moment with Finn was also ominous to me. Will he end up in a "car crash" or leave for doctors without borders or just leave Steffy? She will tell Liam on Monday that he can forget about her and work on his marriage but somehow sth will happen with them.
DeleteMilla, yes…Liam was a bad bad boy today for sure!!
DeleteYou are right, it could be any number of things for Finn now. But if he is being written off the show, then we can pretty much guarantee Steffy and Liam will reunite. I have never seen the Liam / Steffy romances that everyone talks about. So it would be new territory for me. I don’t want them together though. I really don’t like the direction the show is headed at all. 😔😔😔
I also haven't watched their actual romances, my memories are of when Steffy first set her sights on him and it was all kinds of nerve-wracking. But apparently when Hope wasn't in the picture they had a beautiful love. I also don't like the direction btw and especially the pacing - Hope took months of tortured feelings, Liam took 2 seconds to run to Steffy - both just NO! 🤦🏻♀️
DeleteI think now the forcing of thomas working with hope again not only effected hope and liam but now it will effect steffy herself
DeleteAnd this comment is not hating on steffy at all
But its how i think about the situation
It was a wrong decision from the beginning
Lynn, for the umpteenth time, Hope is not confused about what she feels for Thomas, she just doesn't know why she feels that way.
DeleteI've always said that Hope knows exactly how she feels about Thomas. And when Liam told her that the only reason she would kiss Thomas is because she must have feelings for him, Hope did not deny it, she told him that he was right (no confusion). She also told him that she doesn't understand it because it's not logical for her to have feelings for Thomas given all he's done.
You maintained that Hope was confused about what she was feeling and that if she admits to having feelings for Thomas, you'll admit you were wrong. Well, she has admitted her feelings to Brooke, Thomas and Liam but you are still saying that she's confused. She's not confused about what she feels, she just doesn't understand why she feels what she's feeling.
But elle if you feel something and you what it is but you don’t know how or why and you don’t want to that also confusion
Delete"... he doesn’t even recognize her because she lied to him for months telling him he had nothing to worry about...."
DeleteBTW, thanks for acknowledging that we were right all along about Hope. When we called Hope a liar for lying to Liam, you continually said that Hope was not lying to Liam, that she loved him and that "whatever she felt for Thomas" was nothing. Well, even Liam said that Hope couldn't possibly love him. He said she chose Thomas. We stated all along that Hope was lying to Liam, which you denied.
I think that one doesn’t exclude the other Elle. Hope was lying saying all is peachy and nothing to worry about. But she was and is also still confused. She hasn’t yet admitted she is in love or loves Thomas. There are all kinds of attractions with all kinds of causes and duration. Not all of them are love automatically.
DeleteOr she may well know if she's in love but just hasn't told "us" yet 😀
DeleteWe'll just have to wait and see.
DeleteI think the fact that Hope would use Liam's past infidelities to justify what she is feeling for Thomas is a sure tell sign that her feelings are more than just an attraction. She also barely seemed bothered by the fact that her husband just asked for a divorce. She did not even run after him or try calling him on the phone. Yes, she's sad about it but it's also like she has already accepted it.
I think Hope is using his past as a "cheating for cheating", independent of who had what feelings at the time of the cheating. If the one can be forgiven (which is objectively worse because sex), this one should too. And she looks in shock to me, she is bothered and I believe it will come rushing to her big time.
DeleteBut yes we'll wait and see.
She is in shock not she doesn’t care
DeleteElle, I didn’t say Hope was lying to Liam about having feelings for Thomas. I said she wasn’t being honest with Liam because she knew she had had inappropriate thoughts about Thomas, and she led Liam to believe he had nothing to worry about. That’s not being honest with Liam. And for the umpteenth time, Hope iIS confused because she wouldn’t be so incredibly heart broken or saying how much she loves Liam and doesn’t want a divorce if she knew her heart belonged to Thomas!! Simple!! I did not admit anything. I still maintain she has not fallen in love with Thomas. You ladies thought for sure she would be all too happy to dump Liam, and nothing even remotely close to that has happened! So she is confused about her feelings for Thomas. She knows she feels something, but doesn’t understand those feelings or why she is feeling them.
DeleteMmysh, absolutely! Steffy is absolutely thinking about how this is gonna impact her world. Typical Steffy stuff!! Lol. And yeah, where’s all the Steffy hate for returning Liam’s kisses??? They are back to blaming the writers as predicted. Lol.
DeleteWe don’t hate Steffy but as a few of us have written already if you actually read our posts we are disappointed and cross with Steffy’s behaviour and hope she puts Liam firmly in his place!
DeleteBbfan i don’t know if i understand your well
DeleteBut no its not hope’s fault that liam went kissing steffy
And for me the action with steffy forcing thomas to be hired again is what started all this chain of events
Its now effecting steffy too
Liam will not stop until he ruined her marriage too
BBFAN, I don’t think Steffy is rejecting Liam right now. And I think the idea of Liam is going to be too much for Steffy to resist. Old memories and happy thoughts of them being together are going to start taking over before too long.
DeleteMmysh, you are so right!! This is all Steffy’s fault for insisting Thomas come back on board or Hope’s line would be shelved! Steffy actually created this disaster! Lol
Elle, she looked and acted devastated. Even as she talked to RJ she owned what she did and said she understood why Liam walked out on her. She is feeling broken right now and very upset with herself. I will say it again, definitely not the behavior of a woman who is pining to be with someone else. I’ll tell you who actually acted like you thought Hope was gonna act….and that’s Liam!!! He didn’t miss a beat before he ran to Steffy’s. That’s what the FF’s thought Hope was gonna do with Thomas! But nope!!
DeleteOh and we have another person who is now CONFUSED, and that is Steffy. Lol
DeleteOK Lynn. We shall see. I still say that Hope knows exactly what she is feeling for Thomas, her only confusion is why she is feeling it. As she said it's not logical that she would feel this way about Thomas. Why would she admit to being into Thomas if she wasn't sure that she was?
Delete"I don’t think Steffy is rejecting Liam right now. And I think the idea of Liam is going to be too much for Steffy to resist."
DeleteI agree with this. Steffy just can't seem to help herself where Liam is concerned.
I really hope that Steffy will reject Liam and let him know that she's happy with Finn though. And I hope she tells Finn about the kiss.
Elle i think after the second kiss happened now telling finn after all the conversations with him especially in the bounce scene i saw
DeleteI guess its late
Finn will not be pleased or understanding
And he will consider her hiding things from him
Elle, I think our biggest disagreement about Hope’s feelings for Thomas stem from the “In Love” reference that many of you ladies like to throw around. I’m admitting there is an attraction, a curiosity, etc.. But I continue to maintain that Hope is not in love with Thomas at present. The show may take us that direction in the future (gag, wretch, barf)….but for now I will simply say….some unexplainable alien force is pulling Hope toward Thomas. And Liam is not going to stand by to see which way the wind blows going forward! But also know that Liam is a total dog right now in my eyes!!! The position he put Steffy in is NOT OK!! He also betrayed Finn - also NOT OK!!! So the only character I even like anymore is Brooke. I’m on thin ice with B&B at the moment. Lol.
DeleteAnd if Steffy does forcefully reject Liam next week, then that will only solve half your problem. Steffy does not seem like she’s gonna tell Finn what happened. And when he finds out, and he will….shit will hit the fan!!! Because it always goes back to TRUST!! Liam lost his in Hope, and Finn will lose his in Steffy!
DeleteLynn do you think so about Finn? Remember how mellow he was when she actually sc****d Liam and they weren't even engaged. Now they are married and it's "only" kissing. I think Finn is not at all explosively emotional (so far at least). Plus we never know how Steffy will sell it to him. Or she may not even have to sell it, he'll directly see only fault in Liam.
DeleteMilla, I think based on what Finn told Steffy about how he completely understood why Liam would be so upset. And also how Finn left on Friday’s show - going out the door. It just seems telling. Also because Steffy has a very complicated and involved past with Liam, it will make it very personal to Finn. But maybe I’m wrong and he will be understanding. He has definitely been very mellow in the past as you said. 😊
DeleteYou're right Lynn. I just think that Finn's main role so far has been to hang around shirtless with Steffy and sing praises of their wonderful life. I don't see him throwing it away over some kisses. But they do surprise us (mostly unpleasantly 🤣🙈) so who knows, maybe Finn hears about the kissing and runs off to Africa. Or Paris 😅 (the city, not the woman though that's also not off limits!)
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DeleteOr maybe it's Steffy herself who ends it. Liam has gone completely off the handle, he may start pursuing her Bill style 😂 🍏🌳
DeleteI dunno Milla, I think Finn might show some anger toward Steffy this time around.
DeleteWhen Liam and Steffy slept together the last time, she and Finn had only been together for a short time. She was fresh out of rehab for her pill addiction and Finn knew that a part of her therapy was regarding Liam. So, I think that he put all the blame on Liam the last time as he saw it as Liam taking advantage of Steffy's vulnerability toward him.
A lot of time has passed since then, and Finn and Steffy's love has grown. I think Finn will hold her partly accountable for what happened. I don't think he will stay mad for long though. And he certainly won't throw away his family for a kiss that was initiated by Liam.
I also think that Liam is very hurt right now and is lashing back at Hope. And what better way to do that than to go after the woman Hope has always had a problem with? He's still a selfish pig for doing that because, as someone else said, Steffy had nothing to do with what Thomas and Hope did. I think that once Steffy reminds him that she is very much in love with her husband, Liam will have no choice but to back away.
DeleteFor sure it will pit Finn against Liam, and that’s gonna be rough cuz there are kids involved. It’s anybody’s guess right now. Personally, I’m looking forward to Taylor and Finn hooking up!!! I will laugh so hard if that happens!!
DeleteA lot of this depends on what Finn’s future looks like with B&B. There were rumors that his contract wasn’t getting renewed. Not sure how that played out.
Milla, I don’t know the specifics of how Bill pursued Steffy. Were fruit and trees involved? Lol
DeleteMaybe Taylor and Finn will go to Africa together???!!!! 😬😬😬
Taylor and Finn? No way! Whose idea was that?
Delete😅😅Lynn I think at some point, there were strawberries involved 😂 but I wanted to depict the „Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree“ saying 🤣
DeleteElle for sure Finn will question if she has feelings for Liam, after the 5-7 business days it will take her to finish the story of the kisses.(You know how she tells them when it’s about other people, imagine when it’s about that 😂 and it’s especially comical Finn always chiming in with some guesses where the story is going that are never right 😅)
DeleteAlthough it would be a much better story if Finn walks in on them either kissing or talking about how they were 😀
Milla….🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣
DeleteElle, I read it on some B&B chat site. It was the same day I checked the spoilers like a bad girl because I was dying to see how the conversation was gonna go between Hope and Liam.
DeleteAnyway, I had heard the prediction before as well about Finn and Taylor. Remember what you told us LF’s….”don’t put your favs on pedestals…cuz the only way is down.” I wouldn’t put it past Taylor to do such a thing. Just need the right set of circumstances is all. 😁😁
Oh boy. I can't see Faylor/Tinn happening, and not because I put anyone on a pedestal but because I just don't see Finn as that type of man. He loves Steffy way too much to hurt her like that. They would have to change his entire personality for something like that to happen. I also don't see Taylor doing that to Steffy.
DeleteAhhhh yes, I’m quite familiar with ENTIRE PERSONALITY CHANGES….that’s exactly what the LF’s were forced to experience with Hope. Never say, never, Elle. Hope fell hard. Others will follow.
DeleteMilla, I just read your comment above that said….’there are all kinds of attractions with different causes and durations, and they don’t all mean love.’ EXACTLY!!! That’s what I have been trying to relay to Elle for weeks. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteThank you Lynn 🤗
DeleteElle I think you have put Finn on a pedestal. You can't see him as capable of doing anything wrong in his marriage, so hopelessly in love and so decent. Which IS what he has shown us. But this can turn. Nobody stays the same on this show.
Lynn your comment about personality changes - exactly my thoughts and exactly what I meant with the above.
DeleteNo, I haven't put Finn on a pedestal. I only speak on what we've seen of the character so far. He's one-dimensional. If that was to change, then I will be accepting of those changes.
DeleteWhen I spoke of y'all ladies putting Hope on a pedestal, I meant that, to y'all, she is perfect and can do no wrong. Lynn again made mention of it above, that Hope has gone through an entire personality change. However, she has not. Hope has never been this perfect person with perfect values. She lost her virginity to a married man, shacked up with said married man, became addicted to pills, married the brother of the supposed love of her life and so on. And the previous actress played Hope as a selfish and entitled brat!
This thing with Thomas was unexpected, given that she and Liam have been in a good place for a long time but, it's not a shocker, at least not to me. But y'all have held her in such high esteem that now, y'all can't fathom that she did this.
Until they start showing us different sides to Finn, I can't put him on a pedestal. I can only go by what we've seen of him since he's been on the show, which is a loyal and faithful husband to Steffy and a doctor who stands by the oath he made in his profession.
Elle Finn IS one-dimensional for sure, that's one of the factors why his relationship with Steffy looks boring as hell to some of us. So you don't think he "can't do no wrong" or do you? Because if you do, you shouldn't be surprised if he does something to betray Steffy.
DeleteWhen did ANY of us think or say Hope can do no wrong? That's YOUR interpretation but that's not backed up by anything we have actually said. We have strong boundaries for right and wrong. And when *anybody* so blatantly crosses them, we call them out. And I don't know how you don't get tired of repeating what Hope did 15 years ago. We got it, she slept with Liam when he was *separated* from Steffy (news alert, people are allowed to do that).
We had been repeating that she loves Liam and her family and that she doesn't want to lose them. But that doesn't preclude us from calling her out when she betrays. That's not a pedestal. That's seeing and assessing what a person does right now in front of our eyes.
"Until they start showing us different sides to Finn, I can't put him on a pedestal." - that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So if he shows that he can betray someone, you *would* put him on a pedestal? Or what "different sides" do you mean that are pedestal-worthy?
And PS if what happened 10+ years ago was happening now, we would call it out again if the other person is in a committed relationship. But the fact is that since Hope has been a grown up (this actress) she has been loyal. Until now.
DeleteIn the first paragraph it should be "So you don't think he "can't do no wrong" or you do think he can't do no wrong?" to be more clear 😀
DeleteMilla, 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteElle, for as long as I’ve been watching the show - Hope has always shown herself to be very decent and good. That’s all I’ve seen of her. So for her to do a complete 180 was not expected, nor is it realistic in my opinion. But as I’ve said, it is what it is.
DeleteAnd Finn is a faithful husband to Steffy now, but all that could change on a dime! And who knows how Finn would react if he had been in Liam’s shoes?? You can’t understand what someone is going through until you’ve walked in their shoes. So we don’t compare apples to apples when we compare Finn’s character to Liam’s. It will be telling when we find out how Finn reacts to the news of Steffy’s kiss with Liam. But that may also be dependent on how Steffy spins it when she is forced to explain it to him.
Finn is very one dimensional and that is why he is boring. No doubt about it.
Be prepared for some fallout. It’s coming soon!
Maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly.
DeleteFor months Hope had been fantasizing about Thomas and finally admitted to having feelings for him. For months, she lied to Liam about her true feelings for another man. And for all those months, all we heard from the LFs was that she DID NOT have feelings for Thomas and that she loves Liam and WILL NOT do anything to jeopardize her marriage and family. We heard that she was NOT lying to Liam because she was spending time with him and making love to him and she was just confused about her feelings. There was no room for Hope doing anything wrong because the LFs convinced themselves that she would do no wrong. To me, that's putting someone on a pedestal. Now, that Hope has actually done all the things that we were seeing her doing (that the LFs denied), y'all are calling foul. Now, y'all cant stand Hope and are so disappointed in her. And I don't understand why. Hope has never been a perfect person with perfect morals or values. In addition, her feelings for Thomas had been playing out on our screens for months, yet y'all denied it. So, it seemed to me that y'all had her sitting up on that pedestal nice and pretty and now that she has fallen off, y'all can't stand it. That's all I'm saying.
Regarding Finn:
Delete"So you don't think he "can't do no wrong" or you do think he can't do no wrong?"
We have not seen enough of him to know how he will react to Liam kissing Steffy. Based on the last time when they made love (which was more than a kiss), I can surmise that he MIGHT act that way again however, since his relationship with Steffy was pretty new and he really did not want to lose her, I can understand why he forgave her. I'm inclined to believe that he may not be as forgiving this time around.
I don't have a thought either way about whether or not he can or can't do no wrong. As I said before, I can only go by what we've seen of him so far. And that's not me putting Finn on a pedestal. I just haven't seen enough of his personality to be able to have an opinion on his purity or lack thereof.
Elle for the "umpteenth" time - who do you mean with "y'all" and "you LFs"? You are making me want to check my comments now and I may do it when waiting at an airport. I really don't remember saying she doesn't have feelings. And as soon as she started, I was chastising for lying. Or do you mean when I was vehemently insisting that she loves Liam and that she is confused about her feelings for Thomas?
DeleteI really don't understand what you are trying to prove we were saying. And I never did, I always wonder what's this obsession with "y'all said" as if one is allowed only one black and white opinion that doesn't expand or change based on what we see?
There was no pedestal. I (and I didn't see Lynn or Mmysh either) never maintained that nothing would happen with Thomas and that Hope is perfect. But if you feel better thinking that, so be it.
Elle actually we are tired of repeating those things
DeleteMaybe this one will be the last time hopefully
We never claimed hope is perfect
But still compared to other characters in the show she definitely is
The things you keep repeating as bad behavior from hope to make her a bad person they are not true
And we don’t deny them or fool ourselves
And yes we are disappointed with her you like to deny it but hope never cheated on either liam or Wyatt since they are the only men she has been married to yes she was wrong when she dated both of them at the same time but she didn’t sleep with either of them during that time
She went through bad judgment
Naive and stupid decisions
Listening to bad advice
But she is the most caring person who put others before herself
And how she give up her marriage to liam and send him to be with steffy and took Douglas under her wing is a huge proof what kind of person she is
And we never said she doesn’t have feelings for thomas
We were disappointed because no women in her right mind will have feelings for a man put her family through unthinkable horrors
And she was lying to her husband
We never said she didn’t
But to tell him ?? Just like some causal thing
This would be the stupidest thing ever
Even in real life people have crushes for co-worker or someone they see for a lot of period of time
But they got over it
That doesn’t make them bad or cheaters it makes them human
But if they act on it then they are and now hope is and since she never did that before so we are disappointed with her
And we are calling her out for not making excuses or deny it
So we didn’t convinced ourselves with anything
I guess its you guess who convinced yourself with false things about hope since your favorite character is her rival
And sure we can’t stand it i don’t know what is wrong with that
And its not because we put her on pedestal it’s because we lovve her and we don’t like her to do the tvings that we see it wrong
I think you like that and demand that from your favorites also
I don’t think you like it when steffy slept with bill or you expected it
But still we are not denying it or came up with excuses
So sorry dear but this analysis of us is totally wrong and i don’t know why you keep repeating it
I don’t think you know how and what we are thinking better than us
Sorry for the long post but this issue needs to cleared
Thank
And there is a lot of things you guys do but i guess its doesn’t apply to us apparently
DeleteBut as milla said if thinking of us that way makes you better so its fine by us.
Mmysh thank you. You put it more accurately than me and addressed more things than me. I loved that you clarified (for I don't know which time) Hope's past and which parts of it are and aren't judgment-worthy. I don't have the knowledge or the energy to argue about things from decades ago when someone was almost a teenager (me included 😅). Since she's a grown-up she's been a kind and selfless person. And a selfless person can still make big mistakes like this one. Very disappointing and hard to overcome but not because we consider her perfect. But because we didn't want her to lose her family over whatever these feelings for Thomas are. It's frustration which I agree with you we don't have to explain and justify anymore. For me at least enough is enough and I'm done.
DeleteExactly milla
DeleteAnd maybe the false things we keep seeing from time to time about hope and we corrected
It thats called denying these days so be it
Still not true
OK, so Milla and Mmysh did not put Hope on a pedestal. There! Satisfied?
DeleteHowever, there was a lot of denial from the LFs about what was going on with Hope and the FFs received a lot of backlash for reading too much into the situation between her and Thomas. I know I didn't imagine any of that.
BTW, my only favorite on this show is Thomas but even if Steffy did something I didn't like (like leave Finn for Liam), I would take it in stride, as much as I don't like Liam. I wouldn't be wiping my hands of her the way I've seen some comments from some posters practically disowning Hope. I would be disappointed in Steffy but I'd still like her.
For me i still like hope
DeleteAlthough she is my favorite but still i don’t defend her blindly when she is wrong or find excuses or even deny the behavior when it’s something against all what is right or wrong reality or fictional
And there was no denial of what she is going through sorry
The was rejection and shock and sometimes a wishful thinking
But not denial
Especially with when some events didn’t happened yet
Back then or in the coming future
Denial is when something really happened but we are refusing it or blame it on someone else or the victim it self
And im sure that’s wasn’t us
Elle good for you. People have different levels of reaction towards things they consider unacceptable. I dislike Hope very much right now, but this can change (if I’m allowed? May I or will there be „y’all said“ in some weeks?) if she changes something in her behavior like realizing what she’s done and what it cost her. And does something about it.
DeleteElle, you are all too eager to point out where I guessed wrong. Yes, I did not think Hope would follow through with anything sexual with Thomas.
DeleteBut let me list a few where you and your fellow FF’s were wrong since that’s the game you want to play here. Your statements listed below, and then what actually happened…..
1. Hope is IN LOVE with Thomas!
Nope - not a single indicator that that is true. In fact she is devastated her marriage is ending!! And she has told Liam she can’t explain why she kissed him. It makes no sense according to Hope. Not the words of someone who is In Love with another man.
2. She would have “an affair” or choose to be in a relationship with Thomas.
Nope, ain’t happening. Liam has asked for a divorce and she is broken by the news.
3. Hope was no longer in love with Liam and wanted out of her marriage.
Nope, Hope literally begged Liam to stay and not divorce her.
So there you go. Let’s not tally up the scores because it seems you lose. Lol
And Milla and Mmysh were not convinced Hope wouldn’t cheat. That was just me! They simply said that Hope would not choose Thomas long term. And that’s exactly what has happened. Hope chooses to stay in her marriage with Liam. But Liam is done, so Hope blew it. Now Thomas can be her backup plan, Plan B!!! Lol
Lynn also on your behalf I'm tired, I don't know how many more times you have to admit that okay you didn't think x and y and it happened. I've heard you admit it at least three times and I don't know why we are still discussing it and in how many more ways you have to say it anymore.
DeleteMilla, thank you. I think at this point they are simply enjoying rubbing it in. And I also got told the other day that I had never admitted I was wrong about Hope. That one made me laugh because it was so ridiculous.
DeletePerhaps the reason Elle refers to you ladies as you LF’s is because the majority of the time, you ladies refer to yourselves as “WE”.. in particular Mmysh, always says “we” this and that..!! As though you don’t have your own identities!! Lynn and Milla don’t do it as often as Mmysh who’s uses “we” in almost every comment.. but you ladies do tend to refer to yourselves as we..
DeleteNot only that, you often refer to the Ff’s as just that.. “the FF’s all think this” of the Ff’s say that” etc, so naturally with this in mind and especially my comment above, you ladies often refer to yourselves as “us LFans, or “we””.. 🤔
DeleteAnd when did Liam tell Wyatt what he saw in Rome?? If that discussion was on a previous episode, I must have forgotten all about it. Wyatt acted like he knew exactly what Liam witnessed in Rome.
ReplyDeleteLynn I think when he returned Wyatt came to his place and Liam told him.
DeleteThanks, Milla. 😊👍🏻
DeleteYes, Lynn. When Liam returned, the first person he called was Wyatt. When Wyatt came to the cabin, he asked Liam if everything was okay because when he asked him to come over, it sounded urgent. Something along those lines.
DeleteThanks, Elle. I can vaguely picture it…but the conversation didn’t impact me enough to even remember it. Lol. I have been so laser-focused on the scenes with Hope and Liam. That was probably the most exciting week of the show I’ve ever seen. As much as I hate hate hate the outcome, I did enjoy watching the drama. Lol.
DeleteWyatt was at the cabin and wanted to know if Liam saw what he thought he did etc. He offered to sleep over if Liam needed him etc. Liam told him everything and then said he needed to be alone.
DeleteWyatt patted his shoulder and left and Liam sat there looking gutted.
Oh yeah, BBFAN….now I remember!! Thank you! 😊😊
DeleteI’m just waiting for the next step when hope faces Thomas again see how that plays out
ReplyDeleteI, too, am overdue for my Thomas/Hope fix. Can't wait to see what's going to happen next with the two of them now that Liam has asked for a divorce.
DeleteYou guys just can't see it
ReplyDeleteLiam fell in love with Steffy and they were happily married until Bill who did take advantage of Steffy and did put Liam down to her
Brooke saw an opening a weak sad Liam and Ridge got Hope back home .
Hope the perfect pure loyal
Well Liam believed Steffy wasn't good for him and Logan in his ear day in day out Liam truly believed Hope the rightous
Thank you Bob xxxx
Mandy, I know you want Steam back together so, if it happens, I'll be happy for you.
DeleteI just don't believe that Liam loves Steffy the way she deserves.
Liam just loves himself at this point. He’s acting a narcissist manner and doesn’t care if he destroys Steffy’s marriage. Don’t forget she’s happily married with another baby. It’s not like she and Kelly are alone etc.
DeleteI agree Liam and Steffy had a very happy marriage for years and loved each other deeply… cha cha cha🥰. But Bill ( his obsession with Steffy) and Liam ( remember his Sally Spectra debacle) started them on the road to the split. We all know what followed.
I agree with Elle, Steffy deserves better than Liam can give. Finn loves her the way a husband should. She is an idiot if she throws that away for Liam.
BBFAN, I agree that Liam is acting like a selfish, impulsive, spoiled little child right now!! I’m disgusted with both Hope and Liam’s behavior!!!!
DeleteLynn, I still feel that if Liam hadn't been so obsessed with Thomas, Hope would have gotten over those feelings. I strongly believe that the more Liam antagonized Hope about Thomas, the more Hope found Thomas to be a haven. He always lifted her up and made her feel good about herself.
DeleteElle, could be. But I also understood Liam’s concern. Too many lessons learned where Thomas is concerned for Liam to not be on guard.
DeleteAnd it’s easy to lift someone up when you don’t have the challenges of a relationship. Thomas had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Liam was fearful of what he could lose and he let those thoughts take over his mind most days. If Thomas and Hope end up a couple, it will be a whole different dynamic between them. And I’m guessing definite not all sunshine and roses. Hope is going to miss Liam and her life with Liam and that will put a strain on her relationship with Thomas.
"And it’s easy to lift someone up when you don’t have the challenges of a relationship."
DeleteExactly. That's why some people get affairs. The mistress is there for the exciting fun stuff and none of the problems or the mundane things. She lifts you up and makes you feel special and seen for a limited time. Then you go back to your real life.
That's not to say that Liam wasn't very difficult, he was showing Hope only paranoia and putting pressure on her. He should have thought earlier to show more support and love and not when it was too late :/
"And it’s easy to lift someone up when you don’t have the challenges of a relationship."
DeleteI don't agree. For all intents and purposes, Thomas and Hope have had a long-standing relationship for years, including being co-parents, but Thomas has always made it a priority to speak positivity to Hope and Hope to him. Even at their worst times, Hope had been there for Thomas encouraging him and telling him that this isn't who he is. They've been each other's support for a very long time which is why a lot of the Thomas/Hope supporters support them. We know that Thomas will love Hope the way she deserves. Hope falling for Thomas isn't surprising to me. It's been long coming given everything they've been through, the good and the bad.
Being coworkers and co-parents was their only relationship. And the co-parenting was mostly dramatic. Yes Hope kept believing in him (against good reason usually) and he kept proving her wrong in all kinds of ways. If that's a relationship, it was a very unhealthy one. Or "toxic" as is the modern word around here 😅
DeleteI do see an improvement now, Thomas is being really decent and finally trying to do what is right and not what he wants. I have the feeling he wouldn't dive into a relationship with Hope just like that.
DeleteHow can you say that, Elle?? Thomas has done horrible things to Hope and her family!! The list goes on and on!!!!
DeleteAnd being married is MUCH harder than being an outsider looking in. The day to day stresses can be extremely rough on a relationship. Thomas has not had to deal with any of that with Hope because they have not been husband and wife…(the five minutes they were married doesn’t count.) That’s why there are so many divorces.
True Lynn. That's not a relationship "for all intents and purposes". They are two people who work on the same line and whose only other touch point is Douglas. A relationship is where you choose to be around this person (and not because of a child or a job), you feel safe with them and share values and nice memories. None of that was the case for Hope until recently. Until recently only thing that Hope associated with Thomas was pain.
DeleteThey have *history* together - painful, tortured history of obsession, rejection, second, third and nth chances and disappointment. History does not equal a relationship.
DeleteHow many times have I heard about the relationship (toxic or otherwise) between Thomas and Hope from the non-Thomas supporters.
Delete1. They grew up together as brother and sister.
2. They were dating and he tried to drug her to rape her.
3. Hope married Thomas for Douglas' sake.
4. Thomas and Hope co-parent Douglas together.
5. Thomas tried to kidnap Hope.
6. Thomas works closely with Hope and that's all it is. And might I add
7. Hope was a big part of Thomas' life during mannequin-gate.
8. Hope found Thomas spazzing out with the mannequin then he fainted.
9. After Thomas was hospitalized, Hope practically lived in his hospital room.
10. Hope was there when Thomas came to.
11. Hope visited Thomas at Brooke's home while he was there recovering.
And the list goes on. And since the last quarter of 2022, Hope and Thomas have been closer than ever.
Now if that's not a relationship, I don't know what is. They have been through so many things yet always came back to being there for each other and supporting each other. Good or bad, they ALWAYS came back to each other. Y'all can deny that they have a relationship all y'all want. Doesn't mean they didn't/don't have one.
And I can say that you can releat as much as you want that it's a relationship, Elle, that doesn't make it one 😅
DeletePlus, besides 9-11, all I can see in your list is actual proof of what I said - tortured history of horror. May we all be protected of such "relationships".
It is proof indeed. I started the comment by saying this is what I've heard from the LFs for a long time! 😅
DeleteThomas and Hope's relationship has been quite complicated over the years but, a relationship nevertheless.
Their *history* is far more than complicated, its tortured and traumatic. It’s abuse. If you want to call this a relationship, that’s up to you.
DeleteSo can we call Jeffrey Dahmer‘s with his victims the had a relationship???
DeleteYes, Elle….there are all kinds of relationships. And marriage is the hardest! Just because Thomas and Hope have had a relationship - they have coparented and worked together and yes, been brother and sister!! Lol. That doesn’t compare to marriage and the things married couples experience. Please don’’t act like you don’t know what we’re talking about. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
DeleteWow Kelly witnessed that last kiss with Liam and steffy. I wonder if she’ll tell finn , I hope she does tell him.
ReplyDeleteIf Kelly saw Mommy & Daddy kissing, she will talk. Probably, Douglas will figure it out and tell someone he trusts, but that won't be Aunt Steffy this time.
DeleteThey didn’t show Kelly at all, what are you on about??
DeleteThat's like saying Thomas is living rent free at a Waffle House. Oh well, at least breakfast will be delicious!
ReplyDelete😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
ReplyDeleteThat was so messed up of liam to do I mean come on she is married leave steffy alone she's not your play toy anymore
ReplyDeleteOn the 4th of July they’ll be showing an old version of the bold from 2018 as a 4th july episode holiday
ReplyDeleteWith young sally spectra when she was with Wyatt can’t wait for that episode they’ll be young
Deletehey bold & beautiful............is 'quinn' coming back? if not, you need to remove her from your opening credits.
ReplyDeleteYeah I agree , put new ones on it’s about time we get a new opening
DeleteI was really behind..Like 2 months behind 😂 finally getting caught up now 👀 wowwww hope!!
ReplyDeletethanks Bob 🙏