Thanks so much Bob! I really appreciate all you do for us. Some of the people need to be more patient and not complain if or when there is no episode. I for one, am grateful.
Exactly Scorpio! Ditto from me. Bob is the best! The ungrateful, passive aggressive, day drinking, obese housewives need a job or hobby or a good screw.
Why is Taylor coming over and demanding that Thomas come back over to Steffy’s right now when Finn and Steffy just told him to leave?? Give things a couple of days to settle down and then cooler heads can prevail. Taylor…not impressed with that advice. Sure it’s super easy to say “Find the love”. How does one just instantly do that ? Why are your actual psychology skills? And what happened to Thomas getting some serious help after his latest plot to destroy his dad’s marriage to Brooke? Why isn’t Taylor pushing Thomas to check himself into a treatment facility to get some intensive care, where hopefully he can learn how to manage his impulses and not always think about himself?? Taylor has blinders on because it’s Thomas. She can’t be objective when it’s her own son. Hope…that sweater was pretty dang ugly!! But very proud of your words today. And Brooke handled things very well too.
I was really disappointed with Taylor today myself. 😩. She didn’t ask before having him come over and I agree, it was unfair to Steffy and Finn after they just got him to leave.
I’m all for supporting your children; however, Thomas needs serious help.
Steffy and Finn were absolutely correct in setting limits with him.
I thought Taylor was going to talk more sense into him than she did. I’m all for family harmony but I don’t Thomas should get a free pass. He’s feeling sorry for himself and blaming it all on Steffy.
She might have been “playing parent trap” with him but never told him to take a CPS call or pressure Douglas to lie or use the app on his mobile to set Brooke up.
Thomas isn’t accepting responsibility at all. His mum needs to be tougher on him. The feel the love thing is just not going to cut it. ☹️
I’m hoping Brooke can convince Taylor of how serious it is that Thomas get help and support Steffy and Finn in how they care for Douglas.
I’m glad Liam is presenting a more balanced view of what’s happening to Brooke.
Also, Steffy didn’t “kick him out of Forrester” it was a decision by the board and Hope herself not to have him work on her line or the company.
It shows his disordered thinking. I’m sad for him, he’s going in the wrong direction… instead of getting help and working in his issues he’s back to blaming everyone else and going down the dark path to something sinister 😱😬
@BBFan I agree with you there about Taylor, I didn't like how she handle the Thomas & Steffy issue, then again, I also don't like the way the writers scripted the characters storyline either. Steffy & Finn did what is right and Taylor should respect their decision of handling Thomas visitation hours in seeing Douglas. I think Thomas has a mental problem and he needs psychological help, but NOT by her though. I too will be curious to see what Brooke will say to Taylor myself about Thomas.
@ Elizabeth, I hope Taylor and Brooke’s friendship doesn’t take a big hit due to the Thomas situation. While Brooke and Taylor finally agreed on Ridge, Thomas may be a different story. They both have very strong, yet polar opposite feelings about Thomas. Probably best they just don’t really discuss Thomas at all. I like the two ladies being good friends. 🥰. Better late than never! And truly they do have quite a bit in common.
Lynn, lol right?? I’m struggling because I don’t hate Thomas, but I cannot just excuse his behaviour and say let him have a free pass.
I honestly think Steffy will give equal time etc to both parties but again Douglas is going to have a say in that. She isn’t going to force him to see either of them if he’s uncomfortable.
I’m glad Hope realised he needs a break from both parents. I don’t think Thomas realises how intense a pressure was on Douglas when he and Hope were giving their pitches as to why he should choose one over the other.
He really just needs a break from all of them.
Steffy is tasked with making that happen and helping him feel safe, heard and respected in what he needs.
Hope and Thomas promised to abide by his choice and they need to live that out. They both assumed he would choose them. I don’t think it crossed Thomas’s mind that he would choose someone other than himself!!
@BBFan Hope does respect the little boy's wishes it's Thomas who really isn't accepting Douglas's decision, I mean Thomas was ready to move into Steffy's place. I don't trust him, I do I know that he won't use Douglas again as a bait, like he did to try to get Hope to be Thomas's girl. I don't think the guy is psychologically well to be Douglas's father, until he gets some help he should stay away.
BBFAN, I honestly think Thomas is his own worst enemy. I said on Mondays episode that I thought it would have been reasonable if Steffy let Thomas have a few minutes with his son. There would have been no harm in that. And of course Thomas feels frustrated that Aunt Steffy has the final say when it comes to his own flesh and blood. And I get that. But if Thomas would have dialed back his demands and just been kind and asked nicely, instead of being such a jerk, it wouldn’t have felt like such a standoff. Steffy said it herself….it’s her responsibility to protect Douglas and set boundaries. And Thomas feels very threatened by that. If he would have just texted her and asked if it was OK for him to stop by and tell Douglas he loved him, instead of showing up unannounced and acting so demanding / threatening….I think it would have gone very differently. Steffy felt like Thomas was being very disrespectful and unreasonable with his approach, so she pushed back. Again, setting those necessary boundaries. Thomas is a very spoiled man. And as was mentioned on the show, he feels threatened by Steffy on other levels as well. So he also needs to come to terms with that resentment and be proud of his own accomplishments…brilliant designer for one. He also needs to learn to put others before himself. If he can find that part of him, there could be genuine hope for him. But like we’ve all said, Thomas plays the villain way too effectively on the show and it would be boring without his devious ways. 😬😬😬
@Lynn Your right, the way Brooke truly does feel about Thomas, this could stir up the pot, if Brooke & Taylor do end up talking about Thomas going to Steffy's.
Lynn and Elizabeth i don’t think or im sure brook doesn’t hate thomas at all She is just as always give her straight opinion and its always right Maybe with will make Taylor to see how much thomas needs a professional help not to break their friendship
@Mmysh Thomas has had problems, actually since the time Thomas started his first fashion line "Taboo", and the first sign of that was when he and Brooke went to Paris for a press conference. When they were coming back from Paris, Thomas was watching Brooke sleeping and he was looking at her lips, he had gotten up from where he was sitting and went close to Brooke and kissed her right on the lips, she woke up in shock, Thomas thought of it as no big deal and wanted to keep it their little secret. As for Taylor telling Thomas to get professional help, she did do that back when Thomas started his new line "Taboo" in 2000 and something and Thomas said he doesn't need it. Taylor thought that Brooke took advantage of him, when it was really the opposite, and she was in shock, and so from that point on Thomas has never gone for any professional help since then. By the way, Brooke doesn't trust Thomas at all. She has NOT forgotten about what he did to her on the deserted island, that he knew about who stole Hope's baby and was adopted by Steffy. She never wanted Hope hanging around Thomas, because of that darn mannequin that looks like her, using Douglas (twice) to charm her so that he could get Hope to become his wife, that is a case of mental illness in my case. Whether or not he is going to sincerely get some professional help is a BIG ???, Quinn is a good example with her evil ways she was to get professional help, she said she would, but she never showed up at the clinic, and Wyatt found that out, Thomas could do the same as well.
Thanks dear Elizabeth I know all of that And i agree and that’s totally my point Brook and Thomas used to have a very good relationship But after the island manipulation story she starts to stay away Even after the steffy manipulation to get liam Thomas starts to hang up with hope a lot also brook has no problem But after the beth situation she lost all trust but she didn’t hate all she wanted from ridge is to get thomas the professional help he needs
I think what Steffy and Finn did to Thomas was wrong.. I am not defending Thomas thinking he can just go there whenever he wants, there has to be boundaries for ALL parties involved, but Hope was able to make sure he settled in ok and reassure him how much she loves him, as she should be allowed to, but Thomas should have been given the same opportunity to see him settled in and tell him he loves him .. that was totally unfair..Thomas has to accept that he can’t just rock up there whenever he pleases, but he should not be stopped seeing his son, and as Thomas said, Douglas probably thinks Thomas doesn’t care because he didn’t get the opportunity to help welcome him into Steffy’s like Hope did.. Both Thomas and Hope brought this on themselves, so they both should be treated the same way where boundaries are concerned , but most of all, to follow Douglas’s lead.. Thomas is his father, and Steffy needs to think that if Hayes chose to live with Thomas as his guardian, how would that make her feel.. Thomas was also correct about Steffy asking him to do whatever it takes to get their parents back together, of course Thomas took it way way too far, but he has a point.. I think they both need to reach an understanding of how each other feels, and Thomas should not be questioning Steffy’s loyalty, and Steffy should not be keeping his son from him.. Thomas needs to see where she is coming from and vice versa.. there would have been no harm to let Thomas see Douglas for a short while, and to then explain the boundaries.. if Thomas has boundaries, Hope should have boundaries.. If Kelly and Hayes were at odds the way Steffy and Thomas are, Steffy would feel the same way as Taylor.. I understand exactly where Taylor is coming from.. I don’t think she is excusing Thomas’s behaviour by any means, she just wants her children to work through their issues, before it becomes a major problem between them.. and as a mother, I totally understand that.. She is not pardoning Thomas for what he did, but exiling him from his son and the family is not going to do anything but make it worse.. Having said that, Taylor needs to encourage Thomas to get the help he needs, and help him understand Steffy’s position..
I saw Steffy empathising with Thomas but also feeling the responsibility of a guardian for Douglas.
She didn’t choose to be out in that position.
I understand what you’re saying about Hope getting to settle him in etc but honestly how could they transition him into Steffy’s home without that?? He was living with Hope… I guess I didn’t see it as a special favour to Hope, rather that they were doing everything possible to make it a least traumatic for Douglas as possible.
Douglas was apparently expressing anxiety about his da and how he was feeling about his decision to Hope and Liam offscreen. I think that influenced what Steffy said to Thomas.
What I took away today was that she didn’t want to force Douglas into seeing either Thomas or Hope and by Thomas demanding to see Douglas it was overriding what his son might want or need. Again he should have rang her up and asked so Douglas would have a choice as chance to voice what he needs.
I agree, he really should have called, not just just barged over there all cocky the way he did.. I didn’t notice any concerns off screen about Douglas not wanting to see Thomas?? I must have missed that? But, he definately should have called.. I did hear Douglas say he chose Steffy because he didn’t want to hurt his mother or father, which indicates to me that he really loves his dad despite him asking what he did of him.. he could have just wrote Hope, so it’s clear he wants a relationship with his dad, and I know he picked up the tension with the supervised visit the other day, the way Hopd was sitting there glaring at Thomas and Liam’s reaction to him being there.. if Douglas didn’t want to see his dad or have a relationship with him, he would have just chosen Hope.. He knows he can have a good relationship with both parents without the drama while he is under steffy’s care.. I think Taylor is trying to ensure that it doesn’t turn into an even bigger one..
I think Taylor was wrong and that she must be terrible at her profession. I also agree with Colly and BbFan. Who comes barging into someone else's home and making demands. Thomas made his bed and now he must lay in it. Call first only decent way to handle the situation. You definitely don’t say “well since it’s my sister, I’ll just move in”. Thomas needs to first find a place to live in himself. What was he going to do, bring his son over to visit Paris without even asking her?
Brava Colly! I totally agree with everything you've said. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I've been pretty much saying the same thing myself. They can't just cut Thomas out of Douglas' life. Some kind of arrangement has to be put in place.
And Taylor is not wrong when she says they love each other, because they do, and they have always been very close not.. I think that’s where Taylor is coming from.. She doesn’t want either of them to destroy that.. she is simply reminding them of that.. as a mother, I would do exactly the same thing , if I could see my girls drifting apart.. my kids are extremely close not, and I would be devistated if that were undone for any reason.. Taylor is not saying, hey, just let each other do what they want, she is reminding them how close they are and how much they love each other, and not to let anything come between their close not relationship, specially if it’s each other... As a mum I understand that.. Thomas needs to wake up and show how sorry he says he is, by getting the help he needs.. No one should have to push him to do that..
Colly, they do love each other which is why Steffy was feeling so torn about Thomas. I really think that if he had just rung her and asked to see Douglas, she would have said to wait a few hours, asked Douglas if he was okay seeing his da then it would not have been an issue.
Thomas is literally demanding to see his son anytime he pleases and for as much time as he pleases.
Since he created this whole custody issue and Douglas didn’t choose him he doesn’t get to do that.
Douglas chose Steffy so both Thomas and Hope have to schedule visits with her and Finn. Thomas didn’t stop to think about that when he drew up paperwork.
He assumed that because he was blood that Douglas would automatically choose him, despite his previous behaviour.
I’m sad for Thomas and empathise but honestly he created this situation.
Hope is bound by the same rules.
Objectively, Douglas had been there a few hours and it would be only right to see if he was comfortable spending time with his da or if he needs more time before having a visit. He knows Thomas didn’t take it well.
The whole idea was that he wouldn’t feel pressured to have to see either of his parents at this point.
Thomas just left Steffy, she didn’t get a chance to ask Douglas if he wanted a visit with Thomas before Taylor got there.
From the opening scene, Steffy is struggling with doing right by Douglas and being fair with Thomas and Hope. It’s not even 24 hours since the hearing she suddenly ended up with three bairns to raise. Finn is struggling too.
Honestly, I think Taylor should have spoken to them separately and given them time for Steffy to set up visits etc or speak to Douglas about Thomas coming over later.
She literally didn’t get a chance.
As a mum I feel you Colly, I do know how difficult is if one’s children are not getting along.
Agree with all you ladies. Taylor should not have called Thomas over after Steffy told him to leave just to talk about brother and sister love that solved nothing. Steffy could have given Thomas the 10 min. to speak with Douglas and tell him he loves him, is proud of him and everything will be okay the same way Hope did. I feel for Thomas in his way of feeling alienated from family. They aren't helping him at all at the moment. He needs help (not his mother) but sometimes it's hard to help someone if they don't want to be helped. Still love ❤️ him and hope he doesn't go any further down this path again and realize he does need help but don't think thats going to happen anytime soon. 😔
I have to agree with you, Colly. I don't think Taylor did anything wrong. She is upset at the thought of their family falling apart because of this Douglas issue and she wants them to put a plug in it before it escalates any further. Speaking to them together and forcing them to face each other is what was needed, imo.
And I'm sorry, but I don't see Steffy as being fair to both Thomas and Hope. She allowed Hope and Liam to say goodbye to Douglas after ensuring that he was settled in. Thomas shows up (as he always does without calling ahead first) to see Douglas and is denied that. Then to top it off, Steffy tells him she made a promise to Hope. It seems to me she is putting Hope's feelings ahead of what is good for Douglas because as far as I know, Douglas has not said that he does not want to see his dad. Steffy is keeping Douglas away mainly because it is what Hope expects her to do, and that is wrong.
I agree Bbfan, and I did say Thomas can’t expect that he can just go there anytime he wants, and that both him and hope should have a schedule , and Thomas should not have said what he said, but I thought it was unfair that hope was able to help settle him in and let him know she loves him, but Thomas was not allowed to check on his own son and do the same.. I also didn’t like Steffy saying she made a promise to Hope where Thomas was concerned.. That was unnecessary to say to him and gave the impression she was stopping him seeing Douglas because she promised Hope.. it’s not right, yes Thomas screwed up and needs help, but it was a big enough blow that his son chose Steffy, then to be stopped seeing him and reassuring him that he loves him, as Thomas said, Douglas probably thinks his dad doesn’t care or is angry with him for choosing Steffy, because he couldn’t see him for two minutes to do that.. she could have given him a couple minutes and then explained he can’t just come when he wants.. but telling him she promised Hope when she wouldn’t let Thomas see him, really?? Not fair.. I think think Taylor was trying to mediate between them, and I agree, that was not the time or place…
D, I know if it was me, I would want to check on my son, and I would want to reassure him that it’s all going to be ok, and that I respect his decision and there’s nothing to feel nbad about, and that I will always be there for him.. the way Douglas spoke to Steffy and Finn, you could see he was really struggling with how his decision affects his parents.. Hope reassured him and made him feel better about it, even though it was milking her inside, and my heart really went out to her, but I feel Thomas should also have been allowed to see him, just for a few minutes.. Thomas shot himself in the foot thinking he could just rock up there when he wanted, Hopd shot herself in the foot, when she signed those papers because she was so confident he was going to chose her.. I would hate to be in Steffy’s shoes, but telling Thomas no you can’t see your son and I made a promise to hope? What message did that send Thomas.. I commend Steffy for taking this on, but she has to be fair to both parents, set the same boundaries for both, and by telling Thomas she promised Hope and that’s partly why he can’t see him, I don’t think that’s right.. yess , make a promise if you feel you need to, and yes, have Douglas’s best interest at heart, but words can hurt a lot more than guns..
Steffy probably could have handled it better in hindsight, but I think if Thomas hadn’t been so high handed she probably would have let him see Douglas.
I think you’re right that his attitude is what made her push back because she doesn’t want to set the precedent of him just popping in whenever. Also she and Finn are both trying to adjust to this new situation and haven’t had a second to sort anything out. A confrontation was what they have been worried about and how it would affect Douglas.
I feel like Thomas’s attitude would definitely be projected onto Thomas. He’s talked about things he shouldn’t in front of him in the past and complained about how he’s treated etc which puts even more undue pressure on Douglas.
I honestly don’t think Steffy is trying to cut Thomas out of Douglas’s life or alienate him. She just doesn’t want all the conflict and acrimony around him. That is reason he moved into her home instead of with either of his parents.
Plus do you remember Colly Thomas' opening statement when he came in - that now that Douglas is living there, so will he. He came all high and mighty demanding and definitely not there for 10 minutes (like you would). He wanted to start a trend in which he basically lives there but has none of the responsibility for the boy. Then when Steffy explained it will be boundaries, he started attacking her and disrespecting her and Finn. Of he had come with humility and care like Hope and made clear he wants 10 mins to ensure D was OK, would have been a different story. But of course the writers are trying to create contrast and conflict (and debates like these 😀)
Sorry guys, because I am in Australia we are a day ahead of you guys which is why my posts are all over the shop and why I often don’t see some posts at the time you guys write them.. I always have too comment at different times…
Okay, having been kinda-sorta where Steffy is (in terms of being an adult having a strained relationship with an also- grown sibling) I can tell you that what Taylor did was the absolute WORST way to handle it. You can't force your adult children to reconcile by saying "find the love." That is ridiculous! The best thing to do is step back and let your kids resolve things on their own. Or not. Parental interference in situations like this almost always does more harm than good.
Agree. That was meant as all kumbaya but was not in any way practical mediation. Not to mention, dragging Thomas back to Steffy's where he was just refused to see his son was plain insensitive to him. And dangerous. What if Douglas comes down and sees an even worse scandal now involving 4 adults not 3 on his 1st day? Steffy wanted to prevent that and Taylor ruined it.
I think finn should have a voice who lives with them and he should not allow steffy to boss him call the shots constantly and I have been so bored with this show
Colly I`m not sure why you feel Thomas should have the same access to Douglas as Hope? Hope has been a far better parent to Douglas than Thomas could ever wish to be! Thomas has been abusive to Douglas consistently,,,for a very long time. Hope asked steffy to keep Douglas away from Thomas because she is afraid for him when he`s with Thomas. Being the sperm donor doesn`t make him a father! Loving the child, the child being able to trust him, feeling safe with him, knowing he won`t consistantly lie to him and manipulate him, those are the things that constitute being a father. Hope is a better parent with her hands tied behind her back than Thomas, who is harmful to Douglas
Taylor was way out of line. She always excuses Thomas and his behavior, enabling him. Thomas is a master manipulator and is mentally and emotionally abusive towards Douglas. Thomas is dangerous and needs help!
Wondering if Thomas could hear Steffy saying over and over that "Douglas will soon want to go back *home to Hope*" will help their strained relationship 🙈 It basically says Steffy is on Hope's side regarding where Douglas belongs. Not the best witness to bring on a next hearing with a judge 😅
I can't believe Thomas is being like this to Steffy who always defended him. Instead of trying to find a way to sway her in his favor, he's making it worse every time he opens his mouth. And Taylor 🤦🏻♀️ seriously what kind of a psychiatrist are you? Dragging him back there to find the love 😅 I feel for Steffy. This is an impossible situation.
Milla, she was there as witness to proceedings not as a character witness to testify for Thomas. She was honest that she was there for Douglas. She and Liam were present so in future whatever party that Douglas did not choose couldn’t cry foul.
Taylor was talking about him going home to Hope’s as well lol. But the shared custody wasn’t going to happen thanks to Thomas. It will be a sole custody arrangement for the custodial parent.
I don’t agree that Hope should get more time with Douglas than Thomas because she’s “a better parent”. Unless Douglas doesn’t want to see him. They should get equal time at weekends if Douglas wants to see them and that’s it.
Neither parent has custody and Hope wasn’t saying don’t let Thomas see Douglas. Her concern was that Thomas would be trying to live there and have unrestricted access to Douglas. Which is exactly what he planned to do.
Steffy promised that she wouldn’t allow that and would protect Douglas. She wants to be fair to both and allow Douglas to decide whether he sees them and when.
The whole idea is that Douglas feels safe, unpressured and heard about what he needs.
If Douglas wants his Auntie or Granny or whatever with him while spending time with Thomas then that will be happening. He might be fine alone with him but alienating Thomas from his son isn’t right.
BBFan but it doesn't change the fact Thomas took her for support in his case, not to talk on his behalf, but as someone he believes is on his side. Which I definitely don't blame Steffy for not being, just wondering how he'd act if he hears her saying Douglas would so want to go where he belongs with Hope 🙈 gosh I didn't hear Taylor saying it too, now that would be the last straw for poor Thomas 🤗🤗
And I agree that while Douglas is with Steffy neither parent should by default get more time with him. Douglas certainly wants equal with each.
I feel for Thomas, very much. Must be awful to be separated by your child and to feel your sister is also keeping you (again it's not wha she's doing but Thomas in his pain feels that way). And you're so right that he could stop stomping and look for a job and a house, like you say any fashion house would scoop him up.
I think having a mom like Taylor is definitely the problem. They need to tell everyone to stop barging into their home unannounced and at least call first. Taylor dies it, Li does it, Sheila does it, Ridge does it. Lock the damn door and pretend you aren’t home. And call everyone together at Eric’s house to have an intervention with Thomas and make him realize not everything is about him and he needs help.
Now Steffi can experience first hand how demanding and manipulative Thomas can be where Douglas is concerned. It is so easy to to turn a blind eye when it doesn't involve you personally. Ppl tend to think situations aren't as bad as what they are until they have to go through it themselves. Maybe the next time we see Douglas Thomas will be having a supervised visit with Steffi and Finn glaring over his shoulder. 😂😂😂
I don’t think anyone but Thomas ever believed Douglas would choose to live with him. If he was truly serious about his son living with him he should be pursuing gainful employment and buying a home.
He was a lead designer, a Forrester and just had a very successful showing that named him a top designer etc .Any rival fashion house would consider it a coup to have him designing for them.
Thomas needs more than just to get mental health treatment.
Douglas loves him, but it would take many years to ever really trust his father again, if ever.
Btw speaking of many years into Douglas life - what are the odds that 10 years from now he remembers Beth is his "sister" and doesn't try to romance her? 😂
Airhead Paris is not helping Thomas. She just says what he wants to hear. "Yeah, they really should have let you see your son". A friend should tell you what you need to hear. Help him to look at the situation from the point of view of Douglas, and Steffy & Finn. Paris is just encouraging Thomas to continue to be self-centered and negative. A checklist for Thomas: 1. Get your own place, with a room for Douglas. 2. Ask for a meeting with the Forrester board of directors and ask if there is a chance he can return to work. If they say no, 3. Get another job. 4. Meet with Steffy & Finn to arrange a visitation schedule. 5. Make amends with Brooke to show you are really trying to be a better person and father.
Thanks so much Bob! I really appreciate all you do for us. Some of the people need to be more patient and not complain if or when there is no episode. I for one, am grateful.
ReplyDeleteBob always comes through for us.
DeleteExactly Scorpio! Ditto from me. Bob is the best!
DeleteThe ungrateful, passive aggressive, day drinking, obese housewives need a job or hobby or a good screw.
Agree...I SO appreciate your time and effort in supplying us with our favorite entertainment. Thanks Bob from Norway.
DeleteWhy is Taylor coming over and demanding that Thomas come back over to Steffy’s right now when Finn and Steffy just told him to leave?? Give things a couple of days to settle down and then cooler heads can prevail.
ReplyDeleteTaylor…not impressed with that advice. Sure it’s super easy to say “Find the love”. How does one just instantly do that ? Why are your actual psychology skills?
And what happened to Thomas getting some serious help after his latest plot to destroy his dad’s marriage to Brooke? Why isn’t Taylor pushing Thomas to check himself into a treatment facility to get some intensive care, where hopefully he can learn how to manage his impulses and not always think about himself??
Taylor has blinders on because it’s Thomas. She can’t be objective when it’s her own son.
Hope…that sweater was pretty dang ugly!! But very proud of your words today. And Brooke handled things very well too.
I was really disappointed with Taylor today myself. 😩. She didn’t ask before having him come over and I agree, it was unfair to Steffy and Finn after they just got him to leave.
DeleteI’m all for supporting your children; however, Thomas needs serious help.
Steffy and Finn were absolutely correct in setting limits with him.
I thought Taylor was going to talk more sense into him than she did. I’m all for family harmony but I don’t Thomas should get a free pass. He’s feeling sorry for himself and blaming it all on Steffy.
She might have been “playing parent trap” with him but never told him to take a CPS call or pressure Douglas to lie or use the app on his mobile to set Brooke up.
Thomas isn’t accepting responsibility at all. His mum needs to be tougher on him. The feel the love thing is just not going to cut it. ☹️
I’m hoping Brooke can convince Taylor of how serious it is that Thomas get help and support Steffy and Finn in how they care for Douglas.
I’m glad Liam is presenting a more balanced view of what’s happening to Brooke.
Also, Steffy didn’t “kick him out of Forrester” it was a decision by the board and Hope herself not to have him work on her line or the company.
DeleteIt shows his disordered thinking. I’m sad for him, he’s going in the wrong direction… instead of getting help and working in his issues he’s back to blaming everyone else and going down the dark path to something sinister 😱😬
@BBFan I agree with you there about Taylor, I didn't like how she handle the Thomas & Steffy issue, then again, I also don't like the way the writers scripted the characters storyline either. Steffy & Finn did what is right and Taylor should respect their decision of handling Thomas visitation hours in seeing Douglas. I think Thomas has a mental problem and he needs psychological help, but NOT by her though. I too will be curious to see what Brooke will say to Taylor myself about Thomas.
Delete@ Elizabeth, I hope Taylor and Brooke’s friendship doesn’t take a big hit due to the Thomas situation. While Brooke and Taylor finally agreed on Ridge, Thomas may be a different story. They both have very strong, yet polar opposite feelings about Thomas. Probably best they just don’t really discuss Thomas at all.
DeleteI like the two ladies being good friends. 🥰. Better late than never! And truly they do have quite a bit in common.
BBFAN, agree 100% with everything you said!! Feeling a bit Twilight Zone like these days with me thinking….Hell yeah, BBFAN!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteLynn, lol right?? I’m struggling because I don’t hate Thomas, but I cannot just excuse his behaviour and say let him have a free pass.
DeleteI honestly think Steffy will give equal time etc to both parties but again Douglas is going to have a say in that. She isn’t going to force him to see either of them if he’s uncomfortable.
I’m glad Hope realised he needs a break from both parents. I don’t think Thomas realises how intense a pressure was on Douglas when he and Hope were giving their pitches as to why he should choose one over the other.
He really just needs a break from all of them.
Steffy is tasked with making that happen and helping him feel safe, heard and respected in what he needs.
Hope and Thomas promised to abide by his choice and they need to live that out. They both assumed he would choose them. I don’t think it crossed Thomas’s mind that he would choose someone other than himself!!
@BBFan Hope does respect the little boy's wishes it's Thomas who really isn't accepting Douglas's decision, I mean Thomas was ready to move into Steffy's place. I don't trust him, I do I know that he won't use Douglas again as a bait, like he did to try to get Hope to be Thomas's girl. I don't think the guy is psychologically well to be Douglas's father, until he gets some help he should stay away.
DeleteBBFAN, I honestly think Thomas is his own worst enemy. I said on Mondays episode that I thought it would have been reasonable if Steffy let Thomas have a few minutes with his son. There would have been no harm in that. And of course Thomas feels frustrated that Aunt Steffy has the final say when it comes to his own flesh and blood. And I get that. But if Thomas would have dialed back his demands and just been kind and asked nicely, instead of being such a jerk, it wouldn’t have felt like such a standoff. Steffy said it herself….it’s her responsibility to protect Douglas and set boundaries. And Thomas feels very threatened by that. If he would have just texted her and asked if it was OK for him to stop by and tell Douglas he loved him, instead of showing up unannounced and acting so demanding / threatening….I think it would have gone very differently. Steffy felt like Thomas was being very disrespectful and unreasonable with his approach, so she pushed back. Again, setting those necessary boundaries. Thomas is a very spoiled man. And as was mentioned on the show, he feels threatened by Steffy on other levels as well. So he also needs to come to terms with that resentment and be proud of his own accomplishments…brilliant designer for one. He also needs to learn to put others before himself. If he can find that part of him, there could be genuine hope for him. But like we’ve all said, Thomas plays the villain way too effectively on the show and it would be boring without his devious ways. 😬😬😬
Delete@Lynn Your right, the way Brooke truly does feel about Thomas, this could stir up the pot, if Brooke & Taylor do end up talking about Thomas going to Steffy's.
DeleteLynn and Elizabeth i don’t think or im sure brook doesn’t hate thomas at all
DeleteShe is just as always give her straight opinion and its always right
Maybe with will make Taylor to see how much thomas needs a professional help not to break their friendship
@Mmysh Thomas has had problems, actually since the time Thomas started his first fashion line "Taboo", and the first sign of that was when he and Brooke went to Paris for a press conference. When they were coming back from Paris, Thomas was watching Brooke sleeping and he was looking at her lips, he had gotten up from where he was sitting and went close to Brooke and kissed her right on the lips, she woke up in shock, Thomas thought of it as no big deal and wanted to keep it their little secret. As for Taylor telling Thomas to get professional help, she did do that back when Thomas started his new line "Taboo" in 2000 and something and Thomas said he doesn't need it. Taylor thought that Brooke took advantage of him, when it was really the opposite, and she was in shock, and so from that point on Thomas has never gone for any professional help since then. By the way, Brooke doesn't trust Thomas at all. She has NOT forgotten about what he did to her on the deserted island, that he knew about who stole Hope's baby and was adopted by Steffy. She never wanted Hope hanging around Thomas, because of that darn mannequin that looks like her, using Douglas (twice) to charm her so that he could get Hope to become his wife, that is a case of mental illness in my case. Whether or not he is going to sincerely get some professional help is a BIG ???, Quinn is a good example with her evil ways she was to get professional help, she said she would, but she never showed up at the clinic, and Wyatt found that out, Thomas could do the same as well.
DeleteThanks dear Elizabeth
DeleteI know all of that
And i agree and that’s totally my point
Brook and Thomas used to have a very good relationship
But after the island manipulation story she starts to stay away
Even after the steffy manipulation to get liam
Thomas starts to hang up with hope a lot also brook has no problem
But after the beth situation she lost all trust but she didn’t hate all she wanted from ridge is to get thomas the professional help he needs
I think what Steffy and Finn did to Thomas was wrong.. I am not defending Thomas thinking he can just go there whenever he wants, there has to be boundaries for ALL parties involved, but Hope was able to make sure he settled in ok and reassure him how much she loves him, as she should be allowed to, but Thomas should have been given the same opportunity to see him settled in and tell him he loves him .. that was totally unfair..Thomas has to accept that he can’t just rock up there whenever he pleases, but he should not be stopped seeing his son, and as Thomas said, Douglas probably thinks Thomas doesn’t care because he didn’t get the opportunity to help welcome him into Steffy’s like Hope did.. Both Thomas and Hope brought this on themselves, so they both should be treated the same way where boundaries are concerned , but most of all, to follow Douglas’s lead.. Thomas is his father, and Steffy needs to think that if Hayes chose to live with Thomas as his guardian, how would that make her feel.. Thomas was also correct about Steffy asking him to do whatever it takes to get their parents back together, of course Thomas took it way way too far, but he has a point.. I think they both need to reach an understanding of how each other feels, and Thomas should not be questioning Steffy’s loyalty, and Steffy should not be keeping his son from him.. Thomas needs to see where she is coming from and vice versa.. there would have been no harm to let Thomas see Douglas for a short while, and to then explain the boundaries.. if Thomas has boundaries, Hope should have boundaries.. If Kelly and Hayes were at odds the way Steffy and Thomas are, Steffy would feel the same way as Taylor.. I understand exactly where Taylor is coming from.. I don’t think she is excusing Thomas’s behaviour by any means, she just wants her children to work through their issues, before it becomes a major problem between them.. and as a mother, I totally understand that.. She is not pardoning Thomas for what he did, but exiling him from his son and the family is not going to do anything but make it worse.. Having said that, Taylor needs to encourage Thomas to get the help he needs, and help him understand Steffy’s position..
ReplyDeleteColly I hear you, I really do.
DeleteI saw Steffy empathising with Thomas but also feeling the responsibility of a guardian for Douglas.
She didn’t choose to be out in that position.
I understand what you’re saying about Hope getting to settle him in etc but honestly how could they transition him into Steffy’s home without that?? He was living with Hope… I guess I didn’t see it as a special favour to Hope, rather that they were doing everything possible to make it a least traumatic for Douglas as possible.
Douglas was apparently expressing anxiety about his da and how he was feeling about his decision to Hope and Liam offscreen. I think that influenced what Steffy said to Thomas.
What I took away today was that she didn’t want to force Douglas into seeing either Thomas or Hope and by Thomas demanding to see Douglas it was overriding what his son might want or need. Again he should have rang her up and asked so Douglas would have a choice as chance to voice what he needs.
I agree, he really should have called, not just just barged over there all cocky the way he did.. I didn’t notice any concerns off screen about Douglas not wanting to see Thomas?? I must have missed that? But, he definately should have called.. I did hear Douglas say he chose Steffy because he didn’t want to hurt his mother or father, which indicates to me that he really loves his dad despite him asking what he did of him.. he could have just wrote Hope, so it’s clear he wants a relationship with his dad, and I know he picked up the tension with the supervised visit the other day, the way Hopd was sitting there glaring at Thomas and Liam’s reaction to him being there.. if Douglas didn’t want to see his dad or have a relationship with him, he would have just chosen Hope.. He knows he can have a good relationship with both parents without the drama while he is under steffy’s care.. I think Taylor is trying to ensure that it doesn’t turn into an even bigger one..
DeleteI think Taylor was wrong and that she must be terrible at her profession. I also agree with Colly and BbFan. Who comes barging into someone else's home and making demands. Thomas made his bed and now he must lay in it. Call first only decent way to handle the situation. You definitely don’t say “well since it’s my sister, I’ll just move in”. Thomas needs to first find a place to live in himself. What was he going to do, bring his son over to visit Paris without even asking her?
DeleteBrava Colly! I totally agree with everything you've said. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I've been pretty much saying the same thing myself. They can't just cut Thomas out of Douglas' life. Some kind of arrangement has to be put in place.
DeleteAnd Taylor is not wrong when she says they love each other, because they do, and they have always been very close not.. I think that’s where Taylor is coming from.. She doesn’t want either of them to destroy that.. she is simply reminding them of that.. as a mother, I would do exactly the same thing , if I could see my girls drifting apart.. my kids are extremely close not, and I would be devistated if that were undone for any reason.. Taylor is not saying, hey, just let each other do what they want, she is reminding them how close they are and how much they love each other, and not to let anything come between their close not relationship, specially if it’s each other... As a mum I understand that.. Thomas needs to wake up and show how sorry he says he is, by getting the help he needs.. No one should have to push him to do that..
ReplyDeleteColly, they do love each other which is why Steffy was feeling so torn about Thomas. I really think that if he had just rung her and asked to see Douglas, she would have said to wait a few hours, asked Douglas if he was okay seeing his da then it would not have been an issue.
DeleteThomas is literally demanding to see his son anytime he pleases and for as much time as he pleases.
Since he created this whole custody issue and Douglas didn’t choose him he doesn’t get to do that.
Douglas chose Steffy so both Thomas and Hope have to schedule visits with her and Finn. Thomas didn’t stop to think about that when he drew up paperwork.
He assumed that because he was blood that Douglas would automatically choose him, despite his previous behaviour.
I’m sad for Thomas and empathise but honestly he created this situation.
Hope is bound by the same rules.
Objectively, Douglas had been there a few hours and it would be only right to see if he was comfortable spending time with his da or if he needs more time before having a visit. He knows Thomas didn’t take it well.
The whole idea was that he wouldn’t feel pressured to have to see either of his parents at this point.
Thomas just left Steffy, she didn’t get a chance to ask Douglas if he wanted a visit with Thomas before Taylor got there.
From the opening scene, Steffy is struggling with doing right by Douglas and being fair with Thomas and Hope. It’s not even 24 hours since the hearing she suddenly ended up with three bairns to raise. Finn is struggling too.
Honestly, I think Taylor should have spoken to them separately and given them time for Steffy to set up visits etc or speak to Douglas about Thomas coming over later.
She literally didn’t get a chance.
As a mum I feel you Colly, I do know how difficult is if one’s children are not getting along.
Agree with all you ladies. Taylor should not have called Thomas over after Steffy told him to leave just to talk about brother and sister love that solved nothing.
DeleteSteffy could have given Thomas the 10 min. to speak with Douglas and tell him he loves him, is proud of him and everything will be okay the same way Hope did. I feel for Thomas in his way of feeling alienated from family. They aren't helping him at all at the moment. He needs help (not his mother) but sometimes it's hard to help someone if they don't want to be helped.
Still love ❤️ him and hope he doesn't go any further down this path again and realize he does need help but don't think thats going to happen anytime soon. 😔
I have to agree with you, Colly. I don't think Taylor did anything wrong. She is upset at the thought of their family falling apart because of this Douglas issue and she wants them to put a plug in it before it escalates any further. Speaking to them together and forcing them to face each other is what was needed, imo.
DeleteAnd I'm sorry, but I don't see Steffy as being fair to both Thomas and Hope. She allowed Hope and Liam to say goodbye to Douglas after ensuring that he was settled in. Thomas shows up (as he always does without calling ahead first) to see Douglas and is denied that. Then to top it off, Steffy tells him she made a promise to Hope. It seems to me she is putting Hope's feelings ahead of what is good for Douglas because as far as I know, Douglas has not said that he does not want to see his dad. Steffy is keeping Douglas away mainly because it is what Hope expects her to do, and that is wrong.
Totally agree with you Elle!!
DeleteI agree Bbfan, and I did say Thomas can’t expect that he can just go there anytime he wants, and that both him and hope should have a schedule , and Thomas should not have said what he said, but I thought it was unfair that hope was able to help settle him in and let him know she loves him, but Thomas was not allowed to check on his own son and do the same.. I also didn’t like Steffy saying she made a promise to Hope where Thomas was concerned.. That was unnecessary to say to him and gave the impression she was stopping him seeing Douglas because she promised Hope.. it’s not right, yes Thomas screwed up and needs help, but it was a big enough blow that his son chose Steffy, then to be stopped seeing him and reassuring him that he loves him, as Thomas said, Douglas probably thinks his dad doesn’t care or is angry with him for choosing Steffy, because he couldn’t see him for two minutes to do that.. she could have given him a couple minutes and then explained he can’t just come when he wants.. but telling him she promised Hope when she wouldn’t let Thomas see him, really?? Not fair.. I think think Taylor was trying to mediate between them, and I agree, that was not the time or place…
ReplyDeleteI would hate to be Steffy in this situation it’s extremely difficult.
DeleteLol Colly. I was writing almost the exact same thing at the same time.
ReplyDeleteD, I know if it was me, I would want to check on my son, and I would want to reassure him that it’s all going to be ok, and that I respect his decision and there’s nothing to feel nbad about, and that I will always be there for him.. the way Douglas spoke to Steffy and Finn, you could see he was really struggling with how his decision affects his parents.. Hope reassured him and made him feel better about it, even though it was milking her inside, and my heart really went out to her, but I feel Thomas should also have been allowed to see him, just for a few minutes.. Thomas shot himself in the foot thinking he could just rock up there when he wanted, Hopd shot herself in the foot, when she signed those papers because she was so confident he was going to chose her.. I would hate to be in Steffy’s shoes, but telling Thomas no you can’t see your son and I made a promise to hope? What message did that send Thomas.. I commend Steffy for taking this on, but she has to be fair to both parents, set the same boundaries for both, and by telling Thomas she promised Hope and that’s partly why he can’t see him, I don’t think that’s right.. yess , make a promise if you feel you need to, and yes, have Douglas’s best interest at heart, but words can hurt a lot more than guns..
DeleteColly,
DeleteSteffy probably could have handled it better in hindsight, but I think if Thomas hadn’t been so high handed she probably would have let him see Douglas.
I think you’re right that his attitude is what made her push back because she doesn’t want to set the precedent of him just popping in whenever. Also she and Finn are both trying to adjust to this new situation and haven’t had a second to sort anything out. A confrontation was what they have been worried about and how it would affect Douglas.
I feel like Thomas’s attitude would definitely be projected onto Thomas. He’s talked about things he shouldn’t in front of him in the past and complained about how he’s treated etc which puts even more undue pressure on Douglas.
I honestly don’t think Steffy is trying to cut Thomas out of Douglas’s life or alienate him. She just doesn’t want all the conflict and acrimony around him. That is reason he moved into her home instead of with either of his parents.
Projected onto Douglas oops
DeletePlus do you remember Colly Thomas' opening statement when he came in - that now that Douglas is living there, so will he. He came all high and mighty demanding and definitely not there for 10 minutes (like you would). He wanted to start a trend in which he basically lives there but has none of the responsibility for the boy. Then when Steffy explained it will be boundaries, he started attacking her and disrespecting her and Finn. Of he had come with humility and care like Hope and made clear he wants 10 mins to ensure D was OK, would have been a different story. But of course the writers are trying to create contrast and conflict (and debates like these 😀)
DeleteI just wrote the same thing in Colly's first post, D. 😀
DeleteSorry guys, because I am in Australia we are a day ahead of you guys which is why my posts are all over the shop and why I often don’t see some posts at the time you guys write them.. I always have too comment at different times…
DeleteOops, *killing, not milking 🤣🤣🤣 oh Lordy lord!! Who invented autocorrect?
ReplyDelete🤭🤭🤭 it does come up with some hilarious substitutions 😉
Delete🤣 🤣 🤣 it happens to the best off us. Seen Alot of memes about it E.g. The creator of auto correct has died. His funnel will be tomatoe.
DeleteOkay, having been kinda-sorta where Steffy is (in terms of being an adult having a strained relationship with an also- grown sibling) I can tell you that what Taylor did was the absolute WORST way to handle it. You can't force your adult children to reconcile by saying "find the love." That is ridiculous! The best thing to do is step back and let your kids resolve things on their own. Or not. Parental interference in situations like this almost always does more harm than good.
ReplyDeleteAgree. That was meant as all kumbaya but was not in any way practical mediation. Not to mention, dragging Thomas back to Steffy's where he was just refused to see his son was plain insensitive to him. And dangerous. What if Douglas comes down and sees an even worse scandal now involving 4 adults not 3 on his 1st day? Steffy wanted to prevent that and Taylor ruined it.
DeleteThomas is a unfit parent he needs serious mental help
ReplyDeleteI think finn should have a voice who lives with them and he should not allow steffy to boss him call the shots constantly and I have been so bored with this show
ReplyDeleteColly I`m not sure why you feel Thomas should have the same access to Douglas as Hope?
ReplyDeleteHope has been a far better parent to Douglas than Thomas could ever wish to be! Thomas has been abusive to Douglas consistently,,,for a very long time.
Hope asked steffy to keep Douglas away from Thomas because she is afraid for him when he`s with Thomas.
Being the sperm donor doesn`t make him a father! Loving the child, the child being able to trust him, feeling safe with him, knowing he won`t consistantly lie to him and manipulate him, those are the things that constitute being a father.
Hope is a better parent with her hands tied behind her back than Thomas, who is harmful to Douglas
Give Thomas five mins supervised then tell him to leave
ReplyDeleteTaylor was way out of line. She always excuses Thomas and his behavior, enabling him. Thomas is a master manipulator and is mentally and emotionally abusive towards Douglas. Thomas is dangerous and needs help!
ReplyDeleteWondering if Thomas could hear Steffy saying over and over that "Douglas will soon want to go back *home to Hope*" will help their strained relationship 🙈 It basically says Steffy is on Hope's side regarding where Douglas belongs. Not the best witness to bring on a next hearing with a judge 😅
ReplyDeleteI can't believe Thomas is being like this to Steffy who always defended him. Instead of trying to find a way to sway her in his favor, he's making it worse every time he opens his mouth. And Taylor 🤦🏻♀️ seriously what kind of a psychiatrist are you? Dragging him back there to find the love 😅
I feel for Steffy. This is an impossible situation.
Milla, she was there as witness to proceedings not as a character witness to testify for Thomas. She was honest that she was there for Douglas. She and Liam were present so in future whatever party that Douglas did not choose couldn’t cry foul.
DeleteTaylor was talking about him going home to Hope’s as well lol. But the shared custody wasn’t going to happen thanks to Thomas. It will be a sole custody arrangement for the custodial parent.
I don’t agree that Hope should get more time with Douglas than Thomas because she’s “a better parent”. Unless Douglas doesn’t want to see him. They should get equal time at weekends if Douglas wants to see them and that’s it.
Neither parent has custody and Hope wasn’t saying don’t let Thomas see Douglas. Her concern was that Thomas would be trying to live there and have unrestricted access to Douglas. Which is exactly what he planned to do.
Steffy promised that she wouldn’t allow that and would protect Douglas. She wants to be fair to both and allow Douglas to decide whether he sees them and when.
The whole idea is that Douglas feels safe, unpressured and heard about what he needs.
If Douglas wants his Auntie or Granny or whatever with him while spending time with Thomas then that will be happening. He might be fine alone with him but alienating Thomas from his son isn’t right.
BBFan but it doesn't change the fact Thomas took her for support in his case, not to talk on his behalf, but as someone he believes is on his side. Which I definitely don't blame Steffy for not being, just wondering how he'd act if he hears her saying Douglas would so want to go where he belongs with Hope 🙈 gosh I didn't hear Taylor saying it too, now that would be the last straw for poor Thomas 🤗🤗
DeleteAnd I agree that while Douglas is with Steffy neither parent should by default get more time with him. Douglas certainly wants equal with each.
I feel for Thomas, very much. Must be awful to be separated by your child and to feel your sister is also keeping you (again it's not wha she's doing but Thomas in his pain feels that way). And you're so right that he could stop stomping and look for a job and a house, like you say any fashion house would scoop him up.
I think having a mom like Taylor is definitely the problem. They need to tell everyone to stop barging into their home unannounced and at least call first. Taylor dies it, Li does it, Sheila does it, Ridge does it. Lock the damn door and pretend you aren’t home. And call everyone together at Eric’s house to have an intervention with Thomas and make him realize not everything is about him and he needs help.
DeleteNow Steffi can experience first hand how demanding and manipulative Thomas can be where Douglas is concerned. It is so easy to to turn a blind eye when it doesn't involve you personally. Ppl tend to think situations aren't as bad as what they are until they have to go through it themselves. Maybe the next time we see Douglas Thomas will be having a supervised visit with Steffi and Finn glaring over his shoulder. 😂😂😂
ReplyDeleteI don’t think anyone but Thomas ever believed Douglas would choose to live with him. If he was truly serious about his son living with him he should be pursuing gainful employment and buying a home.
ReplyDeleteHe was a lead designer, a Forrester and just had a very successful showing that named him a top designer etc .Any rival fashion house would consider it a coup to have him designing for them.
Thomas needs more than just to get mental health treatment.
Douglas loves him, but it would take many years to ever really trust his father again, if ever.
Btw speaking of many years into Douglas life - what are the odds that 10 years from now he remembers Beth is his "sister" and doesn't try to romance her? 😂
DeleteMilla ohhh yeah like Rick dating the Forrester twins 😂🤭😱. I could so see that, especially if they SORAS them all like they usually do 😏
DeleteOmg yes and their mom 😅😅 Rick plowed through that family 🤣
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ReplyDeleteAirhead Paris is not helping Thomas. She just says what he wants to hear. "Yeah, they really should have let you see your son". A friend should tell you what you need to hear. Help him to look at the situation from the point of view of Douglas, and Steffy & Finn. Paris is just encouraging Thomas to continue to be self-centered and negative. A checklist for Thomas: 1. Get your own place, with a room for Douglas. 2. Ask for a meeting with the Forrester board of directors and ask if there is a chance he can return to work. If they say no, 3. Get another job. 4. Meet with Steffy & Finn to arrange a visitation schedule. 5. Make amends with Brooke to show you are really trying to be a better person and father.
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