The Bold and the Beautiful 5-8-23 Full episode B&B 8th May 2023
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Steffy butting in again. What nerve, she forces Hope to work with Thomas, then gets away with appearing concerned. Steffy needs a huge comedown from her high lofty perch in self righteous land. Steffy had so much fun orchestrating her mother & father's romance, she can't stop forcing her bad judgement on everyone. Steffy really believes she knows better than everyone. How about calling her on it the minute Liam becomes available and Steffy grabs him up, as planned when she decided to get Thomas and Hope together. Steffy never gets her comeuppance which she so richly deserves.
ReplyDeleteWichyPoo, 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
DeleteShe did get it when Liam rightfully dumped her after her first paternity debacle (and a few other times for Hope). And it will happen again, one way or the other. Sooner or later she'll do something that will knock her off her horse again. I'm patient about it 😁
DeleteExactly the paternity test queen
DeleteThe she has a PHD in manipulation and lying
Now judging hope or even brook for that matter
Like her mommy doesn’t exceeded brooks numbers with men 😂😂😂
Hope should have told don’t mix me with you or you mean turning like you
DeleteMaybe finally maybe the hypocrite will shut up
Milla, Liam spent every day hearing from Hope and Brooke that his pregnant WIFE didn’t deserve a second chance etc. That was the only time she ever cheated on him and he on the other hand betrayed her how many times with Hope in the past?? Brooke had NO room to talk and she’s the queen of always getting another chance!
DeleteDespite all of that, he still LOVED and WANTED his wife! He was all set to go back to her, he forgave her and sent all the roses with all the messages about his love for her and for Kelly… then Bill orchestrated the fake scene at the office and LIED totally completely LIED that he and Steffens were having a torrid ongoing affair!!! It was all lies!!
Then Liam ran into Hope’s arms because he was hurt.
He was tricked and manipulated into ending his marriage to Steffy. The minute that Wyatt came clean and he found out he had been tricked he was devastated. He didn’t want to go through wit the rushed farce if a wedding to Hope. All he was thinking about was how to fix it with Steffy. Hope is the one who was trying to push to get married. Then Bill made Steffy fall after forcing his way into her home and she went into labour.
Liam tried to let Hope down gently because all he wanted was to have his wife and baby back. Hope rushed to be a martyr and told him to go be with Steffy, it was only because he was already leaving!!!
So no he didn’t DUMP Steffy over the paternity thing. He needed time which Hope and Brooke tried to use to break up his marriage!!
Talk about revising history! Hope ended up with Liam because once Brooke found out Hope was pregnant with Liam’s baby, she demanded he dump Steffy and Kelly and give Hope a perfect pregnancy blah blah blah. Hope told Liam she deserved to be with him etc. Because she got pregnant by a married man!!
Steffens had enough of Liam not being able to stand up to Hope and Brooke’s pressure tactics. He literally abandoned his newborn daughter so Hope could have everything the way she wants it. It made me ill after the appalling way she treated Steffy during her pregnancy.
Steffy never held herself up as a paragon of virtue etc like Hope does. So yeah she has every right to hold Hope accountable for her actions!!
BBFAN, I don’t know all the history of the Hope, Liam, Steffy saga. But I can comment on what I do know. We have heard all the nasty comments about what a slut Brooke is for YEARS!! But your excuse for Steffy is that she never professed to be “a paragon of virtue!” Now that is hilarious!!!! Newsflash - neither did Brooke ever profess to be a paragon of virtue!! But that never once stopped the onslaught of nastiness to Brooke’s character. So let it be said - Slutty, or I mean Steffy - IS ABSOLUTELY NO BETTER!!! Embrace the little HO BAG that Steffy is!!!! Because that’s exactly who your little “no paragon of virtue” actually is!!!!
Delete@BBfan lol 😆 😂 you're a bugger for punishment.
DeleteSteffy has admitted what she did was wrong and apologised numerous times. Hope never once did!!! She has been self righteous etc and a hypocrite ! BTW, Brooke admitted she deserved her reputation of SFTV so she said it herself! Stuffy cheated 2 times and Hope cheated with Steffy’s husband oh sooo many times and lives with him etc. But of course she is the saint 🙄🙄🙄. We won’t agree and of course your leader will say we are lying etc to cover what Hope did. The fact is, she preaches forgiveness and how even is a spouse cheats that marriage is sacred. Yet she herself has on many occasions done everything she can to undermine and destroy Steffy and Liam’s marriage literally every time they were married. So no I don’t hold Steffy up as a paragon, she admits she’s flawed. You however, hold Hope up as the good one blah blah and she’s just as flawed as anyone else.
DeleteLol D, at times I just can’t hold my tongue. Steffy is trying to be a better person. She literally cheated 2 times and had been called worse that Brooke that did it for decades. I love the snipes at Taylor who also cheated Once!! She like her daughter was cheated on numerous times by her husband with Logan women but hey it is only Taylor and Steffy being called names.
DeleteBefore anyone starts, Katie tried to sleep with her own niece’s husband because she was dying. Yeah remember when she tried to guilt Nick into cheating on Bridget because Katie was dying and wanted Nick???
Or when Katie tried to seduce Eric while he was happily married to Quinn because she was “better for him” ??
We all know Brooke and Donna were happy playing the mistress because well they both did it again and again. Actually Hope did too.
So really there is plenty of cheating and sleeping around on the show to go round.
Lynn at least brook never went to bars and slept while drunk with random men she doesn’t even knew their names
DeleteLike steffy’s mommy
😂😂😂
And lynn just for your information
DeleteHope was the one who stopped their wedding not liam
Because after she knew what bill did she did want to proceed with wedding in that way
Guess who will never do such thing 🫢🫢
Ahem, didn't Steffy walk away from Liam in Italy so that he could marry Hope? Bill was up to his manipulations again and Steffy did not want to partake in it, so she walked away from Liam and told him to marry Hope.
DeleteAnd Hope has not always been that magnanimous. Didn't she gleefully go ahead with the rushed wedding that her mother dearest arranged for her and Liam to be married. Poor Liam was taken quite by surprise. When Steffy showed up and told him that she was pregnant, Hope told him that Steffy was trying to trap him with a baby in order to get him to walk away from Steffy and his child and marry her instead. And what did Liam do? He told Hope that the baby was conceived in love and furthermore, that this wedding was not anything that he wanted. Poor Hope ran away in tears because Liam chose Steffy over her.
A few details are really missing here
Delete😂walked on him when exactly??
After the make out session in hope and Liam’s bed
Then tell me why she went to italy
After she said she will not go
Then bill told her to go because liam will needs her ( make out or sex mostly to comfort him )
With all her “intelligence” she didn’t figure out that bill was up to something
But its so obvious why she went there with them
And let him marry hope 😂😂😂 yeah like he was going to leave with steffy after hope showed up and clarify everything
And btw when brook arranged that wedding hope didn’t know about it
And so what she said those words
Do you blame her after all steffy’s manipulations 😂
And im sure liam didn’t say those words the wedding wasn’t anything he wanted
He said we should be married
Getting old together telling our kids blah blah
And hope asked him then why
He said because there is thing can’t be undone 🫢
So i guess steffy is the poor here
She didn’t told him about the pregnancy to see if he will return to her only for her
But he didn’t
He returned because of the baby 😂
Just like always
Chose her over hope
Due to manipulation, a baby or hope is not available
Not something positive i guess
"😂walked on him when exactly??
DeleteAfter the make out session in hope and Liam’s bed"
What does this have to do with anything? You said that Hope stopped the wedding, not Liam then implied that Steffy would never do that. I identified a situation where she did just that. But if you want to go there, Hope stopped her wedding to Liam after sleeping with him as well. So your point is moot.
"With all her “intelligence” she didn’t figure out that bill was up to something
But its so obvious why she went there with them"
She did figure it out (that's what I said) and she chose to walk away from Liam so that he could marry Hope. Again, what's your point?
"And btw when brook arranged that wedding hope didn’t know about it"
I didn't say that Hope knew. I said that she went along with it.
"And so what she said those words
Do you blame her after all steffy’s manipulations 😂"
I do not blame Hope for anything. My point was to show that Hope has not always been so magnanimous about walking away from Liam. She very much did not want to walk away from him and instead wanted him to leave Steffy and his child to marry her.
"And im sure liam didn’t say those words the wedding wasn’t anything he wanted"
He sure did.
"He returned because of the baby 😂"
You mean just like he returned to Hope because she was pregnant with Beth (and because Steffy put her foot down and told him to go marry Hope). 😂 The things is, Liam never told Steffy that Beth was conceived in love. Instead, he apologized over and over and wanted a chance to fix things with his marriage, but Steffy said no! 😂
"Chose her over hope
Due to manipulation, a baby or hope is not available"
The only manipulation was Brooke secretly planning a wedding for Liam and Hope then calling them to come to the house only for them to be surprised when they saw that it was their wedding day. Liam was so happy when Steffy shared the news of their baby on the way that he quickly ended that farce of a wedding and walked away from Hope (and Brooke). 😂😂
@BBfan you have more patience than me. Lol at least you can hold your tongue sometimes. I can't anymore. I'm up for a difference of opinion but not when you know what garbage you'll get for not agreeing. I said before, I quess a few of us here have a vivid imagination and are not seeing what we think we are so we twist facts. It's really getting comical, then frustrating.
Delete"And im sure liam didn’t say those words the wedding wasn’t anything he wanted"
DeleteLiam's exact words were: Let's be honest, that whole insta-wedding that was set up outside, that was not the result of any decision I made." In other words, if Liam wanted to marry Hope, he would have asked her to marry him and planned the wedding himself.
Really you wrote that sentence the only manipulation was brook’s that funny sorry elle
DeleteIts not a vailed point about choosing hope when she got pregnant because there is kelly too
So with children involved with both women he chose steffy
Put her foot down because she knows she is his second choice and good for her but good she gained 12.5 of the company shares 😂
And we were not talking about brook any way
I guess what is your pointS because repeating it with different words doesn’t change it
I think yours is moo 😂
And the never told steffy beth were conceived with love 😂 i don’t know how that makes any difference
So beth was conceived with hate 😂😂😂
“My leader”??? Who is my leader, BBFAN?? I don’t have a leader and I am not leading anyone on this blog. We all say what we want. Don’t assume otherwise. And Steffy has cheated far more than you mentioned. Moreover, Brooke has also apologized for her bad behavior multiple times. I have heard her do so just in the years I’ve watched the show. So don’t even get me started on that.
DeleteSince Slutty, I mean Steffy is young enough to be Brooke’s daughter, let’s add up the score once Steffy is Brooke’s age. Right now you are comparing apples to oranges based on the age difference. And I am gonna continue to believe slutty Steffy has definitely been a HO BAG. That’s my prerogative. Just like it’s your prerogative to believe what you believe about Brooke!
Elle but still he said we should be married getting sick then getting better ,,,,,,,,, because there is something’s can’t be undone
DeleteI wonder what he means
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And steffy went to italy counting on what bill will do
DeleteAgreed on it or not he went after bill told her to go
And after hope Showed up and told liam what happened
Did he left her and went to steffy and steffy told him go marry hope ??
Beth was not conceived in hate, but she was not conceived in love either. She was conceived in lust. After Steffy found them, Hope said "What have we done? Steffy is so hurt and we caused it" Liam said "I am going to find her." Then he left Hope all by herself and went to look for Steffy. However, when Steffy was pregnant, he told Hope that their baby was conceived in love.
DeleteMmysh, I don't know what Liam means either. When did he say that? And did he say it to Hope?
In lust 😂😂
DeleteCome on so now we need words to be said
Je told Wyatt once that hope would never do this to him( sleeping with his father) so can we build a story around that
How is this sentence conceived with love has any difference or effect
I really don’t get it
And it’s obvious my dear what he means that its not about what he wants now which is being with hope its about the baby and the thing which can’t be undone is the pregnancy
He told Hope that all those things should be how it should be (growing old together etc) meaning that he would have wanted that if it weren't for Steffy and the baby.... but some things can't be undone, meaning that he fell in love with Steffy and they are having a baby which he said was conceived in love, meaning that the love between him and Steffy produced a child. Liam was basically saying that he loved Hope but loved Steffy too and that because of the love between him and Steffy, a child was produced and that was what he wanted. (Remember Hope asked him what he wanted).
DeleteAnd he said its not about what he wants now right ???
DeleteAnd you read all of that while you didn’t know a while ago
Its really simple he wanted hope but chose the baby which sure with steffy
And hope told him he should propose to steffy so they will be marriage when the baby is born
But sorry the undone is only the baby not his love for steffy
Which was true i don’t deny it
But his love with steffy has nothing to do with him not choosing hope
Good Lord 🙈 fact is Steffy got dumped rightfully. And she will do something that will knock her down a peg or two again. Then I hope Hope rubs it in her smug face. That's all I wanted to say.
DeleteUnfortunately hope would never do that to anyone not only steffy
DeleteI wish she can be mean sometimes
Only Steffy didn’t get dumped lol! She did the dumping but whatever! We won’t agree. I do love how every point we make is blithely shoved aside and told it just count. The self proclaimed BB expert proclaiming it so, doesn’t mean it is lol.
DeleteElle, Brava!
If hadn’t been pregnant with Beth, Liam and Steffy would still be married raising their Daughter together. I don’t know why LF are incapable of admitting that Liam was truly deeply in love with Steffy. They spent year’s happily married and no one was missing Hope. It wasn’t about her at all! The marriage in Australia was all about two people very much in love! Liam fought hard to win Steffy from Wyatt. Oh and Steffy, unlike Hope, didn’t cheat on Wyatt with Liam. She waited until they were divorced.
DeleteUnlike Europe, US can get divorced very quickly, so apples and oranges. In UK it can many years for divorce to get finalised. I know people that took 10 yrs to divorce and literally had no property etc to divide.
Again apples and oranges.
No one is saying he wasn’t in love with steffy
DeleteMaybe you also read what you want but that’s fine
And everything you mentioned just proves what i said
Yeah if beth wasn’t conceived he would have stayed with steffy because there is a child involved
But when he had kids with the two of them he stayed with hope
The Australia thing hope wasn’t even recasted yet
So why they should bring her up again hope is not available
And we all know the rest
But sure whatever you like to agree on LOL
And no its not apples and oranges
DeleteIts on spot actually
Divorce/annulment papers are signed its done the can get a relationship an hour after
Not a cheating, no one has to be committed
So those people in the uk can’t have sex or got in a relationship until their divorce is final and if they did they are cheating
Poor people they should wait for ten years 🫤
I’m laughing about Hope not being available. Unless Hope is married to someone else or committed and turns Liam down when he’s actively pursuing her…. She IS available 😂🤣😂.
DeleteYou just proved my point lol thank you. You can’t admit it. Liam wanted to be with Steffy, to be married to her. He did it out of Love not as a placeholder for Hope. She did nothing to trick or manipulate him. He loved her, he still does. Like BOTH of them said on the birthday episode, the love has changed now , as in they love each other as friends. My suggestion l, since Hope has been having feelings for Thomas is that her love for Liam has done the same. She will always love him but she isn’t in love with him anymore. She’s been trying very hard to convince herself and others she is.
I think she’s especially struggling as she doesn’t want to break up her family, but she isn’t happy and can’t fight her feelings for Thomas either.
I saw loads of conflict there. By the by, Steffy should not have thrown in the insult about her becoming Brooke. That wasn’t kind. I get why since Hope said all kinds of nasty things to Steffy while she was pregnant with Kelly. She and Brooke both made Steffy’s life hell, every chance they got. Still it was unkind of Steffy. She could addressed the issue better for sure. However, she was right to call Hope out on her actions.
Liam wasn’t staying for Kelly, he loved Steffy and he missed her and their life together. Kelly was a bonus, not the reason they were together!
Delete😂😂😂 i appreciate your effort to write all that
DeleteBut still none sense only things you would like to believe
Brook and hope didn’t make steffy’s life a living hell
The episodes are there from the official source
But since you like to analyze things in a way to accept i can understand
She was always his second choice, second best
And the first sentence means nothing
Did you understand it yourself so i can lol
And since liam was so madly wants to with stuffy why didn’t he starts things over after losing beth and hope insisted he stayed with steffy
He didn’t even kissed her during him living with her
Until of course thomas drugged him to sleep with his with even considering how that will effect his sister
A long history of drudging others or try to
Really its something honorable
And HE STAYED FOR KELLY NOT STEFFY
even steffy knows that
But again you are free to see things in the opposite way to feel good
😊
Mmysh don't waste your breath. We know what happened and didn't happen, we saw Steffy nearly crawling after Liam on that pathway after he heard about Bill.
Delete"But when he had kids with the two of them he stayed with hope " sums it up perfectly. Also even when Hope was pushing him to Steffy, there wasn't even Beth at the time, but Steffy had two babies, he was begging Hope not to give up on them.
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DeleteI have no idea why we are even arguing about this. As per all of you FFs Steffy is so lucky to be rid of Liam that obsessive, mistrusful waffler and has her perfect albeit one-dimensional perpetually shirtless prince Finn now. Why are you still fighting about the past of Steffy and Liam? Why do you even care?
Exactly milla thank
DeleteAnd saying she didn’t trick him or manipulate him
Just say it all actually where they are standing
Evidently Steffy did get dumped or Liam wouldn’t have been married to Hope for the last years - long before Finn came into the picture. That’s about as dumped as dumped can be in my book. God forbid some man doesn’t choose Steffy. It just eats at your very core FF’s! Accept it and move on!!!
DeleteEric n Brooke done worse n hurt people more than Steffy n they never got what they deserve. Ridge Katie Donna Nick ain't no better. The world of Soap Opera 😂
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DeleteGood for you Steffy, tell it like it is. Thanks Bob
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DeleteBelieve it Steffy, you said it. If Hope truly had no feelings for Thomas she should have been more insulted by that comment. Instead she kept repeating how much she loves Liam, totally committed to him and the family, trying to convince herself and Steffy. Steffy's not buying it. I just wish Thomas would have talked to his dad about what he felt and removed himself from the situation. Maybe Steffy will talk to him tomorrow and he'll open up to her.
ReplyDeleteI doubt he will since they go on a business trip and why would they send them off on one if they knew Hope was thirsty for Thomas. I wish he'd said something but he's in a bad position bc people would take Hope's word over his - she's good at pretending and acting innocent. I also think he finds it a bit incredulous and doesn't want to jump the gun or look dumb. This will be a test to see if he can hold his own and turn her down, like he said he would.
Deletelama I must have missed the episode about an upcoming trip. When is that supposed to happen? I agree he will fear to say anything because he doesn't want to come off as going down that road again. Steffy can back him up but of course she'll be accused of protecting her brother.
DeleteD brava 👏👏👏👏
DeleteD, Hope breaking into tears as soon as Steffy closed the door shows that she is really struggling with her true feelings for Thomas. And to add to it, Steffy accuses her of being like her mother (which she should not have done), something Hope desperately fears. And finally, Steffy also told her that Hope's actions can derail Thomas' progress, something that I am certain Hope did not think about. I feel sorry for Hope having to deal with all of it, including having feelings for a man that is not her husband.
DeleteI think Steffy was on point when she asked Hope if she misses it (Thomas' adoration of her).
@D sorry for spoiling haha but it's basically the SOD for this week, it said their flight back would be delayed at the end of the week and Hope will struggle to remain composed etc. And yes, at least he has someone who has his back in Steffy. We'll see what happens but I'm counting on a repeat red herring like in the few last years.
Deletelama thanks. Wasn't sure if I missed something a red herring for sure.
DeleteTaylor - you could NEVER be objective about Thomas! Not ever! You have proven it time and time again. And your psychology skills aren’t actual skills at all!! You are a joke as a psychiatrist! Who was the most recent person you thought had changed - oh yeah…that was Sheila!!! 😂😂😂. So quit lecturing Liam! Liam should stay vigilant - absolutely 100%. He would be a neglectful husband if he didn’t!!
ReplyDeleteSteffy - you are always so pious and smug! I seriously wish someone would knock you down about 10 pegs! Then you’d be right where you deserve to be! You had zero problem with your mom, Taylor doing everything in her power to take Ridge away from Brooke! In fact you cheered her on!! So don’t tell Hope she is turning into Brooke! If anything you should accuse Hope of being like your mom, Taylor!! 🤣🤣🤣
And like I said in Friday’s comments - Hope grabbed Thomas’ hands in an excited / celebratory fashion when they saw the great numbers on the HFTF line!
That’s not to say Hope doesn’t need to get to the bottom of what’s causing her to have these thoughts about Thomas. She needs to take a good look at what’s causing her to have these intrusive thoughts. Because is not OK!!
Thank you Lynn. Steffy is the biggest hypocrite that this world has ever produced. And I pity Taylor, I really do. Also the actress. She's basically an extra at this point, just showing up places but not moving the plot one bit. Her opinion, when you think about it, doesn't matter. Hope doesn't care. Liam doesn't care. It's moo point (if you know, you know 😂)
DeleteYes Lynn. Hope did grab Thomas's hands but then she wouldn't let go. Long enough that Thomas pulled away and left.
DeleteExactly milla a moo point 😂😂😂
DeleteShe and thomASS even illegally got access to brooks house CTV system
DeleteBrook can really make them face charges
Your mother was all over ridge while he was still married
And slept with a married man
She is such a disgusting hypocrite
So full of herself
Thinking she is better than everyone while she is not 🤮🤮
D, For the 10th time, Thomas didn’t “pull away” that implies that Hope was holding on when Thomas was trying to get away. Nothing even close to that happened. As I told Elle Friday, multiple times…Thomas’ hands were wrapped Hope’s and when the excitement of the moment was over, he simply let go. She didn’t try to “hold on longer” after he let go. She let go as well. This is what I talk about when I say you ladies try to twist things. When you twist things, we are more than happy to point out the inaccuracy of your comments.
DeleteRight Lynn...Thomas let go. Hope was holding on long enough that he was getting uncomfortable he let go to get out of the situation. I didn't say she was holding on to him and wouldn't let him go. I'm not twisting anything. That's how I perceived that scene. It's my opinion, so don't accuse people of twisting things because we don't agree.
DeleteMmysh I knew you'd get the moo point 😅 🤗 you always get my Friends references. And I yours.
DeleteOh milla i use them like everyday 😂😂
DeleteSteffy should be like this
“Could i be more hypocritical“ 😂😂😂
D very true. Hope grabbed Thomas’s hands and she squeezed them . She didn’t let go. Her long eye gazing etc is all very flirty.
DeleteShe may be subconsciously be doing it because she fancies him etc but she’s still doing it!
D and BBFAN - the uncomfortableness that you perceive Thomas as having was him putting himself in check.because he is scared he is going to start having those inappropriate thoughts about Hope again. He is scared that if those thoughts start again, all bets are off. So not sure what your point is.
DeleteAnd D - yes, you actually did say….”She wouldn’t let go.” Read your initial comment to me.
Hope needs to put her self in check, not Thomas. My comment meaning was she wasn't going to let go first, Thomas had to make the move as it was an uncomfortable situation for him. She sure didn't feel uncomfortable.
DeleteHope will be fine. This is some strange phenomenon she is experiencing that she will get over very soon. She hasn’t obsessed over Thomas like crazy Thomas has obsessed over Hope for literally years!!! And the absolute crazy lengths he has gone to to try to make her his!! And if you don’t believe me, just listen to Steffy’s words!! That’s all you need to do. So like I said, Thomas knows he needs to keep himself in check. It’s gonna be way way way too easy for him to backslide if Hope gives him any indication she is interested.
DeleteThat's true, Lynn. You are correct about Thomas not wanting to fall back into old patterns. D is also correct that Thomas was getting uncomfortable, for the very reason you said. So thank you for agreeing. That said, D is also right in saying that Thomas let go in order to put distance between him and Hope. He also stepped back a bit so as not to be in her personal space, focused the conversation on the HFTF success (since Hope had changed the subject to something very personal) then excused himself. Who knows what Hope might have done if Thomas had not done that.
DeleteOh please, what’s Hope gonna do - throw Thomas on the couch and rape him??!! Not in a million years !!! Hope isn’t a PREDATOR like dear old Thomas!
DeleteAnd Thomas might want to consider dialing back the constant gushing of the over-the-top compliments and thank you’s if he truly is nervous about anything Hope might be thinking. He is only fueling the fire with his constant and never ending gush towards her! Not the actions of a man who is concerned Hope may have any inappropriate thoughts toward him! Remember it was just an episode or two ago when Thomas told Hope that it’s her love that fuels his passion!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Milla and Mmysh, lol. I think I missed that episode of Friends. But most likely it was Joey calling it a moo point. Lol
DeleteAnother great - all time classic TV show!! My husband thought Seinfeld was the best! But my money has always been on the show “Friends”!!
You know lynn
DeleteIf thomas handled the situation this way
Like give up working on the line after he trained someone so hope will not lose the line and then moved to another line or revived taboo
All for not to danger hope’s marriage and family
Then i will start to give him a big clap and starts believing he is really changed
But sure not redeemed because that’s mean making a lot of amends
Yes it was Joey
DeleteMe and my husband think the same about friends the best ever
But he like the big bang theory i don’t that much
But i like also that’s 70 show its hilarious
Oh Mmysh, I liked Big Bang Theory and That 70’s Show as well. Thought both were very well written.
Delete"Remember it was just an episode or two ago when Thomas told Hope that it’s her love that fuels his passion!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣"
DeleteRemember, it was only on Friday's episode that Thomas realized that Hope might have feelings for him. He never in his wildest dreams thought that would ever happen because he knows that she is committed to Liam. So his declarations an episode or 2 ago would have been quite innocent on his part. Now that he knows that something is up with Hope, we may not see much of these declarations anymore.
Mmmm sorry but i can’t stand sheldon and barney in HIMYM
DeleteI don’t find them funny
Mmysh you can't train a person to be a good designer. It's a talent you have or don't have.
Delete@Elle that's so true.
DeleteOK, Elle…that’s fair. Let’s see how Thomas plays this now that he suspects Hope may be getting a little too close. Someone wrote on the blog that the spoilers said something about Hope and Thomas going on a trip together in the near term. I am not a spoiler reader. Nor did I ever trust the ones I used to read. But if this trip is actually going to take place - shouldn’t Thomas tell Steffy “no fricken way!!” given what you said he has just now realized regarding Hope’s potential feelings for him?? So let’s see how this plays out. If Thomas is really on the straight and narrow as you say, then he should be completely against any potential trip with Hope.
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DeleteNo dear d absolutely you can
DeleteIm not saying go train charli
He would train someone with talent
Talent is nothing without practice and hard work to make it better
Its that simple
But oh yes logic doesn’t apply here maybe
"And Thomas might want to consider dialing back the constant gushing of the over-the-top compliments"
DeleteI agree. Wondering how his shrink may feel about those? It's up to him and up to his wacko family who pushed on to this setup again to think about this in the first place. But of course it's much easier to be a nasty entitled... sister than to see your own role. Classic Steffy is back we almost missed you.
Yes Lynn it's from Friends and it is Joey. "It's a moo point. It doesn't matter. It's moo." 🤣
DeleteMmysh the big bang theory is also one of my favorites omg 😻🥰 it has everything - science, irony, love ❤️
Milla, that is funny! And I can totally picture Joey saying that. I wish I would have seen that episode.
DeleteKind of a similar story - this manager I used to work with at my old company always called it a “mute” point. Didn’t matter how many times I corrected him, it was always mute point according to him. It’s moot dammit!! Lol.
Of course he was also the one who used to say….”I’m just talking out loud” instead of….”I’m just thinking out loud.” I was constantly correcting him. Lol
🤣 I love it. Talking out loud. Ah the English language is one of the great loves of my life ❤️
DeleteIf it's a business trip for HFTF, I don't think Thomas has a choice in going or not. He is the lead designer. Thomas is focused on the line. So are you suggesting that because Thomas knows of Hope's possible feelings for him that he should disregard anything that has to do with his job? That's not wise or even reasonable.
DeleteIt wasn't too long ago that you vehemently disagreed with Hope changing her life because she's working with Thomas, made a joke about her crossing the road whenever she sees Thomas, but now you think that Thomas should remove himself from his responsibilities as lead designer for HFTF just so Hope does not throw herself at him?
It's because as per Steffy the biggest issue is her brother's stability. If that's really the case, it's his own responsibility. His mental health is his thing to protect especially if he sees a risk of relapse. The second level, if he's not capable, is his family (and one of them is supposedly a shrink). But of course it's easier to yell at Hope like a maniac pretending that's her goal (and not just to show superiority).
DeleteExactly milla
DeleteNow its victim blaming route
Taking away Hope’s place As The victim and gave It to her abuser
Sadly Hope will get all the blame when Thomas decide to show his true colors
Sure as always everything is hope’s or brook’s fault
I don't think Thomas is concerned about his ability to stay away from Hope. He seems rather confident about the changes he is making in himself and the strides he has taken to get to where he is now. He therefore doesn't need to ditch his work responsibilities in order to maintain his sanity. Just like I suggested with Hope in the past, all Thomas needs to do is implement boundaries. Dial down the constant apologies and gratefulness for Hope's validation of him, no more touching hands and definitely no more Hope as a fitting model.
DeleteThen how about he starts with this and his sis encourages this instead of blaming Hope for derailing his wellbeing. And since you were so gracious to say Thomas has responsibility to put the boundaries I will say that Hope has to too. For him and for her marriage 😊
DeleteI think Hope is truly trying to put Thomas out of her mind by spending more time with her husband. That is good. But like you said, she also has to have boundaries with Thomas because pretty soon her emotions will take over if she does not do that.
DeleteHOpe isn't fooling anybody with that, she doth protest too much. She needs to stop being such a selfish brat and stop living in denial so she doesn't ruin everything because of her annoying martyrdom. She acts like a high schooler. Can't believe Steffy let her off the hook but then again, HOpe would never admit it upfront... Thomas is catching on but I think he wants to quit the line now lol. Not worth losing his sanity third time for his baby stealer.
ReplyDeleteThis is probably the first time that Hope is experiencing something like this so she is desperately trying to deny her feelings. However, she is going to implode if she does not talk to someone about it. I thought that someone might have been Steffy and she would have opened up to her. Simply as a step toward them truly getting along like their mothers are now getting along.
Delete@Elle Maybe, but I think it's a bit of history erasure since she didn't have a hard time juggling Wyatt and Liam back in the day. This Hope feels like a diff character. It's a tough spot because her mother is a manipulator, she's afraid of what her "supportive" husband will say, Taylor/Ridge might use it against her. The only person she should be honest to is Thomas but he's on recovery right now so not a good time. The reason they aren't letting her vent to Steffy is so it builds up and explodes, classic plot device.
DeleteAt the end of the day Hope is twisting herself into a pretzel because she is way too dependent on Thomas for her "well-being" aka Douglas and her career. In normal cases she could work with someone else or just give up the line, simple as that. It's all very contrived on purpose.
Exactly lama. Plot-driven indeed! Hope did not have to take Thomas back and Steffy did not force her to take Thomas back. Steffy gave her an extension on finding another designer by letting her know that the line will be paused until she got someone else. But Hope decided, against her husband's wishes, to bring Thomas back. She had her reasons for doing so, reasons we are now seeing coming to fruition.
DeleteI don’t think Steffy used the word “paused” when referring to the HFTF line. I’m pretty sure she said it would be “shelved”. And they mean two entirely different things.
DeleteYou're right Lynn. Pause implies there could be a restart. They were talking about shelving it. That's what got Hope so worried. She wouldn't freak out so much by the prospect of having the line paused and her getting the promise it can be revisited if a new designer is found.
DeleteSteffy did say pause. It was my whole argument from the time the episode aired when everyone was talking about Steffy getting rid of the line. I kept saying that she said the line would be paused and that would have given her additional time to find another designer.
DeleteThat makes absolutely no sense Elle. Steffy never did elaborate and say she'd be giving time to Hope for a new designer. It was Thomas or the high way for the line. Why would Hope be so worried and terrified for her career? Why would it be such a big deal for everyone the Thomas pushing if there was another way? Plus when Liam and Hope were arguing about it he mentioned about a new designer. Hope would have paused there and said "indeed, Steffy did give me that option". It was never a topic. And I don't know why are you insisting on that so much when it's so obviously not possible.
DeleteMilla, that was the LFs perception of what Steffy said. It is not what was said on the show. Hope was concerned because, despite Thomas not being there and the line underperforming, it was still in production. Remember, they had already been looking for a designer and her efforts proved futile. As such, her fear was probably based on the line being shelved, even temporarily, because she felt it would eventually lead to complete cancellation if she did not find a replacement designer, which she had been trying to do for a while.
DeleteHope: Steffy, this is a transitional period for us and– and we will get the line back on track.
DeleteSteffy: Nothing against my grandfather or zende, but their specialty is couture. That needs to be their focus. Hope, it’s been months now. We can’t go on like this any longer.
Hope: What does that mean?
Steffy: As co-ceo it’s my responsibility to watch over the company finances. Therefore, I’m considering pausing your line.
Hope: You can’t be serious.
Steffy: This isn’t easy for me.
Hope: So you’re saying hope for the future is on the chopping block?
Steffy: I am not suggesting we cancel it.
Hope: So then what are you proposing?
Steffy: We’re gonna have to pump the brakes unless we figure out a solution.
Hope: Like what?
Steffy: Hope, your fans adore you. You are well-liked throughout the industry. You have millions of followers on social media. The problem isn’t you. You need a decisive. A creative genius, and you don’t have that. And don’t get me wrong, what zende and my grandfather did, it was amazing but it just wasn’t the right fit for you. And deep down, I think you realize that. We need a designer who– who really knows what to do, who cannot be duplicated. So… here’s the deal. If we want hope for the future to succeed, the lead designer of your line needs to be my brother.
Nowhere does it say that Steffy wanted to shelve or cancel the line. Furthermore, neither does she say anything remotely resembling "it's either Thomas or cut the line." She said that they needed Thomas for the line to succeed. She then told Hope that it was totally up to her to have Thomas come back to HFTF or not.
https://www.tvmeg.com/index.php/2023/03/02/bb-transcript-thursday-march-2-2023/
Elle then maybe the writers deliberately didn't show Hope got this message or Steffy didn't communicate it clearly that another designer is an option exactly to cause such debates amongst viewers. You've seen how they all were talking that Thomas alone is what continuing the line depends on.
DeleteYes, everyone jumped to that conclusion. I think that happened because LFs (not just on this blog) wanted to blame Steffy for Thomas returning due to their hatred of her. And FFs jumped into defense mode. It was however very clear to me from the moment the episode aired and I had been trying to say that Steffy did not give Hope an ultimatum. Noone listened. 😂
DeleteThank you elle for the summer up
DeleteBut actually that was our opinion not out of the hate of steffy
Because it is on screen
Even so many web sites which all about soap news
Most of what i keep seeing if not all
Even the sites wiki soap opera
The descriptions was as an ultimatum
I don’t think these site are on any side
So i guess its a matter of how people see it
And another thing i would like to mention about what you and milla talked about
Not you in particular but most of the ffs said that we are wrong hope didn’t give thomas a warning that if he did anything wrong its over he is gone
But now Taylor said it and don’t remember who else
Like during that period no one spoke about bringing or interviewing a new designers like in direct way
Bringing in new designers was not a discussion on the show at all. It was my opinion that since the line was paused and not cancelled, that it would have given Hope more time to find a new designer. I did not see an ultimatum from Steffy which meant that Steffy did not force Hope in any way to take Thomas back. That was Hope's own choice since she did have another option, which was to accept pausing the line. This would have given her the opportunity to continue searching for a new head designer.
DeleteYes dear totally understood
DeleteSure we see things differently and that ok
Even the fingers in one hand are not the same
But my point was we see it as an ultimatum not because of how we feel About steffy
Because as i said i saw it like in every article
Especially know if you show any interest about anything in FB then a lot of articles starts popping up
No way, Elle!!! There were multiple conversations on various episodes where this was discussed. You are grabbing one episode’s partial comments to make your point. Steffy ABSOLUTELY said that if Hope didn’t choose to bring Thomas back, the line was done. I’m half tempted to rewatch those episodes (plural) again. Because I wrote out exactly what Steffy said and what Thomas said about the future of HFTH. And you are totally CHERRY PICKING!!
DeleteHope told Liam that they tried other designers and none of them got her vision etc. She even told Thomas that.
DeleteMilla, I assure you we are right. We talked about this till we were blue in the face. Steffy absolutely said, it’s Thomas or nothing. And that’s the whole reason Hope was so distraught!!
DeleteSo exactly like I said - Steffy said it’s Thomas or nothing!
DeleteLynn I agree with you I’m just now trying to remember why we care 🤣🤣 like oftentimes I find myself arguing on some point and then mid-sentence "oh wait I don't care" 🤣
DeleteMilla, 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteLiam looks fine today
ReplyDeleteGreat Acting in the end Annika (Hope).. oh how the tables have turned..
ReplyDeleteOh, how they have turned indeed!
DeleteWhatever intention Hope had, Steffy is right to address it with her! Liam would have read that situation the same way only it would be him having a go at Thomas.
ReplyDeleteWhatever Hope’s intentions etc she needs to see how it’s being perceived especially by Thomas!! Steffy knows her brother and that what Hope did would be considered flirting by any other fella she did that to, but especially Thomas.
Hope is in total denial. Her thanking Thomas for seeing her etc, it is not just a professional excitement there!!
I can hear the rants already and I won’t apologise for what I’m writing here. Hope does have feelings for Thomas and she isn’t hiding them well. Her mum noticed for sure!
Even Liam who is as intuitive as a rock, he noticed and is concerned. Hope lying to everyone, most of all herself is not serving her well. She was crying because she’s afraid she’s turning into the woman her mother was all her life.
I admit Brooke appears to have reformed and I’m happy for her. But she knows and could help Hope if she’d open up and be honest with her.
Steffy has every right to call Hope out for being sanctimonious, especially after the horrible, cruel things Hope said during her pregnancy and how she did everything in her power to torment Steffy all of Kelly’s existence. Hope never once apologised for what she she did. Steffy did multiple times but Hope has thrown it in her face so many times. She’s not perfect either. So I don’t blame Steffy for calling her out.
I think Hope is going to act or her feelings sooner or later, especially since she’s refusing to address them. If she and Thomas travel together, it won’t end well.
I won’t bother reading all the diatribes by LFs about how horrid Steffy and Taylor are. The first 30 seconds of today’s episode and I predicted pretty much to the letter the posts above.
Well said BBfan.
DeleteAgreed BBFan. I think Hope should open up to her mother about what she is feeling. Brooke can definitely help her.
DeleteAnd did y'all catch that clue today when Taylor said "Steffy is right. She is always right." (something along those lines). Hope was flirting with Thomas and has had feelings for him for some time now. Steffy was spot on!
Now that is funny! Not even close to what Taylor said to Liam. Taylor was commenting that Steffy also believes Thomas has changed. Taylor wasn’t even talking about Hope when she said that to Liam. And for the record, Taylor’s comment was tongue and cheek because she was also commenting on Steffy being a bulldog in everything she does. And how Steffy ALWAYS thinks she’s right!! That’s what Taylor was saying. There was absolutely no inference from Taylor that she was referring to Hope in any way!
DeleteI did not say that it was an inference, Lynn. I said it was a clue. Big difference!
DeleteIf you have been watching soaps as long as I have, you would be used to there being little clues here and there that tie back to another character and informs on the future of the particular storyline. For example, in today's show, Steffy told Hope that she knows what she saw with Hope flirting with Thomas and implied that Hope has feelings for her brother. Switch to Taylor and Liam where Taylor says "Steffy is right. She is always right." Clue!
Hmmmmm, interesting since Steffy has told Liam about 10 times that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT! So if Steffy truly has thought all this time that Hope was after Thomas, then why didn’t she mention her concerns to Liam when he asked her repeatedly??
DeleteSteffy thinks she’s always right. There’s a big difference between thinking you’re always right and actually being always right.
Umm because she just saw Hope's flirty interaction with Thomas.
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DeleteD - umm because Elle said above that Steffy has known for a while that Hope has had feelings for Thomas. Probably should read what Elle actually wrote before you do the ummm thing.
DeleteUmm . I don't see anything in Elle's post at all referring to Steffy knowing for awhile. Tell me where you see that in the post.
DeleteMay 8, 3:10 pm
DeleteCopy and paste from Elle’s comment :
Hope was flirting with Thomas and has had feelings for him for some time now. Steffy was spot on!
D - Elle has said multiple times on multiple posts that Steffy has suspected Hope has feelings for Thomas for a while now. Not sure how you missed all of them. The one above is just the most recent example. So I say again, if Steffy has had this concern the whole time, why didn’t she say something to Liam when he asked her over and over and over again if he had anything to be concerned about with Hope and Thomas working together again??
DeleteSo ummm there you go!
DeleteLynn, yes, I have said that. But we are talking about yesterday's show and the conversation between Steffy and Hope. Steffy did not tell Hope that she knows she has had feeling for her brother for a while now. That was my suggestion.
DeleteAnyway, Taylor's words were a clue, imo, not an inference.
And Lynn, I cannot recall ever saying that Steffy suspected that Hope had feelings for Thomas for a long time. At least not multiple times. I don't know where you got that. This is actually the first time I've said it. What I've said in the past regarding the first time Steffy spoke to Hope about Thomas was that Steffy had that conversation with Hope to remind her that Thomas was trying to be better and that Hope should be careful not to do anything to derail his progress. That was Steffy's concern, and I was right based on her conversation with Hope yesterday.
DeleteLynn I thought you were replying to comment just above at 8.06pm, not the one at 3.10pm.
DeleteEither way it's been a few us saying that Hope has been flirting for awhile and Steffy has only seen maybe 2 glances Hope has given Thomas and I said she is starting to catch on. So all these discussions with Liam, who keeps looking for reassurance about Thomas, Steffy kept reassuring him he doesn't need to worry about Thomas. What do you think Liam would have said if she said, maybe you should be worried about your wife. I think she might be flirting with him. Now on Fridays show she is convinced.
Exactly D.
DeleteAt work today ladies, so don’t have much time to respond. But multiple FF’s have said that Hope has had feelings for Thomas for a long time. As I told D, I don’t memorize who said what. But I’m sure you’ve both seen the comments. Some have maintained that Hope’s been in love with Thomas for years. And I’ve always pushed back on that ridiculousness.
DeleteD - in answer to your question - that’s EXACTLY what Steffy should have told Liam if she had any concerns or reservations about anything regarding the two of them - Hope and Thomas - working together! Liam was asking. And if Steffy had concerns she should have voiced those to Liam, then Liam can decide what he wants to do with that information!
DeleteElle, Steffy did NOT have any lingering concerns. She had the conversation with Hope weeks ago. Hope told Steffy she was wrong about any impropriety on her part. And Steffy had accepted that as truth. So Steffy has not been right all along.
DeleteYay! get her Steffy
ReplyDeleteThank you Bob xxxx
Loved how Steffy called out Hope on her good girl act.
DeleteMe too!
DeleteJust so I’m clear - you ladies like the bullies on the show — ie STEFFY! But you have an issue with anything that resembles bullying on the blog. Hmmmm, that makes no sense! 😂🤣😂
DeleteA little consistency would be nice! Steffy is the QUEEN OF MEAN GIRLS!! Don’t applaud her behavior, then complain about anyone on the blog who ruffles your feathers. It’s just more hypocrisy!
Oh please Lynn. Elle's explained that the best. There is a huge difference between "reel" bullies or killers in a fictional show and "real" bullies on a blog where people make personal attacks. No comparison so stop with the hypocrisy comments.
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DeleteSorry Elle if I miss quoted you. 😔
DeleteD - I don’t care what Elle explained. It’s hypocrisy no matter how you slice it.
DeleteD, you didn't misquote me. 🤗
DeleteLynn, not because some people can separate real from fiction and others can't does not mean that we are hypocrites. Many shows, soap operas particularly, require that we suspend belief for the duration of the show. Fiction takes liberties that are not justified or right in reality.
And if you cannot see the difference between real people on a blog being personally attacked for their opinions as opposed to a fictional character being firm with her employee for the sake of the business, then that's on you. It certainly isn't a reflection of me or anyone else who supports said fictional character.
Cyber bullying is real and it occurs on this blog everyday.
Here’s what I will say to that Elle, sure there is a difference between real life and fiction. We can all agree on that. However, you DO NOT CHEER bullying on a TV show if you are so put off by it in real life. Instead you say on the blog - “Steffy is one of my favs on the show, but that was clearly inappropriate the way and manner in which she went off on Hope!” That’s how you separate real from fiction and still like the character you like. You don’t CHEER their bad behavior on! That screams hypocrisy and you won’t convince me otherwise. Wasn’t it you or BBFAN or Colly that said you have no issue being objective about your favs?? So when exactly does that objectivity take place??
DeleteAbd yes, I’m an intelligent person who can separate real life from fiction. But I’m not a hypocrite even in my comments.
DeleteI remember a funny thing lynn
DeleteLike every episode or a storyline steffy is nice and caring we hear the words oh bell is loganized steffy
Then with Taylor too
But when she is mean and a total bully yay steffy is back
I guess it was mandy
But actually this is really good for the logens 😂😂
Mmysh, exactly! Who roots for their beloved characters to be nasty and mean??!! Just makes zero sense!! Especially after we had to endure all the bullying lectures and the eye emoji thing that one poster kept putting up!! What a crock! Lol. 🤣🤣🤣
DeleteI believe we were also bashing Hope's bashing 😅 I'd always say that as long as she doesn't turn into a yelling brat she's acting as her normal kind self. The moment she starts yelling at Liam or Brooke (the two people who love her more than life) I call her out like nobody's business.
DeleteEven if Hope has feelings for Thomas, This isn't a reason to yell, mock and humiliate her. When she's judging Hope or Brooke she uses a completely different logic then when she is judging herself, Taylor, Ridge or Thomas.
ReplyDeleteThe comment she made about Hope turning into her mother and laughing in her face when she said it was really repulsive.
Steffy knows that Hope had issues with sex because of Brooke's past when she was younger and she is using that against her while demanding from Hope to be sensitive where Thomas's mental health is concerned! Just like she used hope’s waiting for marriage to have sex against her ,
This is classic Steffy. Cruel, hypocritical and endlessly projecting.
What if the news about Steffy's manipulations and promiscuous behaviors were in the news like it happened to Brooke's scandals in the past? What if Kelly would be bullied at school and by people like Steffy🤮?
She clearly forgot that she has as lose morals as the younger Brooke herself... But Brooke is at least nice and compassionate.
She's a worse version of Brooke Logan so she should just shut her mouth. MRS. I don’t know who is the father for all my children 😂
she even couldn’t talk to Hope like an actual human being that has any compassion, so maybe we can be in her side
Why won't she just stop the line?
She's so smart, she see's right through Hope so she can just stop it with one decision and she holds all the power.
And its funny when she said that Liam would freak out if he would see Hope and Thomas holding hands... Well would Finn freak out if he would hear Steffy saying "cha cha cha" to Liam and see her being in his arms like it happened on her birthday ?
She asks if Hope misses Thomas's affection? 😂😂😂
Well she doesn't really have to because Thomas himself said that his designs come from love and he made it pretty clear how much he cherishes Hope.
Maybe she misses Liam’s and think everyone else has her intentions
She got shot because of her obsession of calling others out
Lets see this time her cruelty and baseness will get her
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DeleteMmysh, exactly! Of all the people to be giving advice to Hope, Steffy should NOT be the one!!
DeleteSteffy - you’re nothing but a bully and a hypocrite! If you want to talk to Hope about what you think you saw, then slow your damn roll!! Your attitude and behavior is completely unacceptable!!!
I really appreciated steffy when the Douglas drama happened
DeleteHow she was kind and let the mother in her talking to the mother in hope
Not because that kindness was towards hope
I appreciated it regardless
But now she is just disgusting
Steffy is a total bitch at her core! End of story!!
DeleteAnd lynn
DeleteSince you didn’t watch the whole history of hope
Hope never cheated with liam while married to steffy
The divorce papers were signed and filed so it was only a matter of time
People in real life waiting for a divorce to be finalized don’t have commitments towards each other right ??
If Separated couples they see other people
So how come not divorced ??
Mmysh, if people have signed papers then they are on their way to being divorced. In the state of California there used to be a 6 month cooling off period…meaning the divorce isn’t final for 6 months. Not sure if that still holds true because I have not filed for divorce in a very long time. What people choose to do during that cooling off period is up to them. But you can’t get remarried until the divorce is final. I am not sure how it all works with a legal separation. But bottom line, if someone has filed for legal separation or divorce, they are no longer want to be with their spouse and they are both free to pursue other relationships.
DeleteHere in some countries in Europe
DeleteBefore they grant the divorce each married couple should be separated for a year to be with others or not that’s up to them
So after tje year ends if they still want to be divorced so the court will give them that right away
But that’s my point
All people date and have sex during tjat period but sure they can’t be legally married
That is not cheating
And even if steffy slept with someone back then that will not be cheating
But she was holding the hope that hope will not have sex and liam will not be able to wait
Exactly my point
DeleteSo no cheating 🤭🤭
How convenient, Steffy sleeps with someone’s husband once and you call her slutty. Hope sleeps with someone else’s husband, lives with him, throws herself at him and she’s the good girl. Love all the rationalisation!!
DeleteI think that the whole point of Lynn and Mmysh's (very peaceful) conversation is to prove that Liam wasn't cheating since his divorce papers were signed.
Delete😂😂😂 again it wasn’t cheating
DeleteBoth time but sure you like to believe that
I think milla even here we can’t compare the show with real life
DeleteJust like in murder and violence and child abuse etc …
We see in on tv and in real life around us
Nobody wait for the divorce to be finalized unless of course the still have hope in their partner to come back to them
But sure its not cheating on anyone’s part
He had papers drawn up! They were not signed or filed! End of the day, people do wait to jump into bed with someone else until their divorce is finalised. The idea that people are incapable of not having sex is hilarious.
DeleteNo dear what is funny how some twist even how things in real life or logic sometimes just to fool themselves
DeleteThat is hilarious
Considering I practiced family law in UK for many years, I have had clients (and know of many others) who were not jumping into bed with other people despite the strict divorce laws. So no dear, I’m not twisting anything! Ta very much.
DeleteWhile we are talking fantasies here lol, he never would have gotten an annulment because there was NO duress, his wife was definitely pregnant and had a paternity test to prove it was his child, and clearly they consummated the marriage given the previous statement. So it laughable if you are now going down that road!!!
DeleteEven in America I highly doubt one gets a divorce in a day let alone an annulment when there are NO legal grounds for it!
All of this has nothing to do with our points you just like to ignore dear because it proves there was no cheating
DeleteBut still since your clients tells you about their love life
Out point is if anyone of those wanted to pursue a relationship with different people or have a one night stand after some party its not cheating
Its up to them
Even starting a new relationship or dating someone new is cheating during marriage
But when the papers are signed and filed its done
They have no obligations towards each other
Real life or tv that how it works
And if some jumps directly in bed that doesn’t make them bad people or cheaters
No one will wait 10 years for the divorce to be finalized
Its none sense
And actually what is laughable is how you are trying to prove something is not there
DeleteWe see this all the time in tv and this thing is also how things goes in real life
And btw liam proposed so they were engaged so they can be engaged but they can’t have sex
Just because his ex is steffy
While when Taylor was all over ridge and tried to kiss him multiple times
And if he was willing to sleep with her she would have jump in bed in a heart beat which she did eventually
while he was still legally married to brook that was ok with you guys your excuses was like because ridge wasn’t living with brook and they were not intimate with each other in a very long time
That wasn’t cheating or wrong coz their marriage was already over
So that is laughable
BBFAN the annulment topic is so divorced (hehe) from reality nobody even notices anymore. Carter is the superhero of annulments. Annulment Man 🦸🏾♂️
DeleteSteffy was most definitely way out of line towards Hope. She literally forces Hope’s hand in bringing back Thomas and she doesn’t think that would hurt his recovery at all?!?! Very haughty and hypocritical!!
ReplyDeleteExactly 👏👏
DeleteRJ IS GAY
ReplyDeletePiss off
DeleteTell steffy to shut up u don't need to convince her of anything. Tell steffy to go back to her nothing of a character husband
ReplyDeleteI wish hope would be a little pit mean
DeleteShe should have told her
So steffy do want to sleep with my husband again 😂😂😂
Maybe that will shock her
So shocking like the million times Hope slept with Steffy’s husband? Steffy did it once!!!
DeleteTalk about cheating, how about Hope being married to Wyatt and sleeping with. Liam?? But she is soo much better than Steffy 😂😂😂
Where exactly did hope slept with liam while married to Wyatt
DeleteAre we back to making things up
Please in lighten us
And this sleeping with steffy’s husband a million times is hilarious actually
Ex husband my dear ex husband
And on whom did hope cheat on those what called millions of times 😂😂😂😂 so they had sex every hour of their lives to reach that number 😂
DeleteYou mean cheated on steffy
Did they where a thing then 🤔🤔
When a spouse sleeps with someone single the person who in a committed relationship is the cheater
The other on is also wrong by sleeping with a married/engaged/committed person
Still wrong but its not cheating
But anyway that’s doesn’t apply on hope’s case
Since the wayyat thing is not true
And Liam cheated on Finn 😅
DeleteGood one milla
DeleteBut the truth is yeah he is a cheater when he slept with steffy while married to hope
Oh for sure. I hope now however the Thope unravels, Liam doesn't overreact in a similar way. I'm looking forward to those SF episodes.
DeleteI hope that too
DeleteSome of the comments here are saying Steffy should butt out. But I agree with her. She has a double interest in the situation. She doesn't want to see her brother ruin all the progress he has made. And she has to think about the company. She could have left out the comment about Brooke. And I agree with Steffy that Hope needs to be honest with herself. My advice to Hope when it comes to Thomas: No hugs, no hand holding, and no gazing into each other's eyes. And, whenever she feels even the slightest attraction, she should immediately go make love to her husband, Liam.
ReplyDeleteForever, if Steffy was talking the way you are talking, there wouldn't be even 10% of hate to her. But she's acting like a sanctimonious bully, raising her voice, sneering and most of all forgetting her own behavior. She can make her point like a normal human being and achieve the same effect on Hope to watch her behavior.
DeleteForever as milla said
DeleteSure she jas the right to defend her brother
why brought brook to the conversation ??
Just because she is a bully hypocrite
She knows how hope is insecure with her mother‘s past so she is using it against her and with the most mean and baseness look in her face
And she should take a look at the mirror before open her filthy mouth and judging others
Hope is so insecure about sex she had it with Liam while he was married to Steffy. She went after their marriage when Steffy hasn’t done anything because she felt entitled to have him!!!
DeleteHope cheated on her own husband with Liam, oh her hubby was Liam’s brother . But Steffy is worse because Bill was relentless and pursued her and she cheated in a very vulnerable moment?? Once? But Hope did it over and over … she hasn’t had a problem with sex since she gave her virginity to a very married Liam!!! Please.
She’s no bloody saint!
"Steffy hasn’t done anything because she felt entitled to have him!!! "
DeleteOnly the way she even got on the picture of Liam, pursuing him like a cat in heat while he was engaged to Hope. Are we going to play this dance again?
To me the biggest problem of Steffy isn't her past actions. It's her ever so present hypocrisy and judging others and like Lynn said rightfully - acting like different rules apply to her family than the others. Her character is just ugly in those moments and that overshadows all the work she's done on her actions.
It's sad that the only way you can defend her is by bringing up Hope's actions from 10+ years ago BBFAN. Whatever Hope did doesn't change anything about Steffy. Especially not the way she is being now.
DeleteAnd milla still not what really happened
DeleteYeah its sad
Sometimes i wonder if i had watched a different show
Compared to steffy she is not only a saint she is an angel of god 😂😂
DeleteMmysh I know. Steffy wouldn't even be a factor in Hope's life if she hadn't decided she desperately wants her fiancé back then. After she couldn't have his dad 😅
DeleteShe tried with Oliver but she couldn’t get to him
DeleteAnd liam was actually resisting
Because when he felt that steffy was serious about going after him and broke his relationship with hope
He proposed to hope in the run and steffy was there and she was disappointed
But the engagement didn’t stop her
Can't wait until they move past this hand holding drama. Such an over-the-top reaction from a woman who needed a paternity test for both of her children.
ReplyDeleteAmen to that Renee.
DeleteIndeed
DeleteSteffy said it best when she said "Not you, not sweet Hope. Hope who never misbehaves."
DeleteIndeed, Hope likes to act like she's the good girl who never does wrong and always lives her life according to the values she observes. But she is not perfect. Far from it. So yes, Steffy's outburst at Hope is because it was quite a shock for her to see Hope flirting with Thomas. Steffy has never claimed to be a paragon of virtue so I don't know what her children have to do with any of this.
For someone who doesn't claim to be a paragon, she surely acts like one and always has. Her children's paternity debacles (plural) have to do with her attitude, if she was a decent person she would be more humble considering she's no better. Like I said, she can make her point also without acting this way.
DeleteHope never said she is perfect btw
DeleteYes she has values and morals and she lives by them for real
But at the end she is a human and humans do mistakes
And her qualities we hear it from other people around her not from her
And we actually saw them even the people who doesn’t deserve them
Steffy in the other hand she never said that she is paragon but in the end she acts like one especially when she judging others
And be mean and cruel and a bully
And most of the it’s somebody else’s fault
At least out of respect to her mother‘s bestie she shouldn’t have bring up brook’s past
Like her‘s or her mother’s is any better
And these values and morals are the ones who are making hope struggles this much because she knows what she believes in and what’s right and what’s wrong
Unlike steffy no struggle in smiler cases what so ever
Hope knows right and wrong and yet she relentlessly pursued a married man. I don’t need to hear how she had Liam first. That was literally ages ago and entitles her to nothing.
DeleteI guess LFs haven’t heard the saying if they cheat with you, they will cheat on you!
Yeah as Rachel mom‘s said
DeleteOnce a cheater always a cheater
Let me guess that’s applies for whom 🤔🤔 oh yeah steffy 😂
But still doesn’t applies for hope
Deny it as you like
Or believe what ever suits you dear
And we will do the same
BBFan yes that was ages ago and everything else related to Steffy and Liam. Why don’t you want to hear that but all the things how Hope lost her virginity to Liam which was like 1 year after is all relevant? Both are equally wrong but the difference is that Steffy wouldn’t be a factor at all if she hadn’t decided she wants to pursue an engaged Liam. She set it into motion. I also never said that he didn’t love her, but it is incomparable to his bond with Hope. That’s proven by the much much more recent events of him not wanting to even entertain the thought of reuniting with her even with two babies and Hope with none.
DeleteThank you Bob 👍
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